2-Shipal, Ramakrishna, & all, RE: Aspect v/s Placement, > Mark Kincaid

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Hi Ramakrishna ,

No sirji,What you said I have already talked about

that previous.Same thing aspect is as good as

placement means Venus when aspect from pisces gives

same results

as jupiter placed in pisces.that means full effect,not

a quality wise,quantity wise effect will be maximum.

When planet is aspecting some house, without any

planets in it,means effect will be equvalent to

placement.Aspect and Placement we are talking about is

quantity wise and not qualitywise,That will depend

upon mutual relationship,sign in whci placed etc.OK.

--- Ramakrishna <ramki (AT) wisorindia (DOT) soft.net> wrote:

Dear Shipal & All:

This is a fascinating aspect of Jyotish, ahhh, no pun intended, heheeheh.

But, another really good way to tell whether 'conjunction', or when a planet is in a house,

or opposite another house, or even in it's aspectings,.... is to look at these through the eyes,

of the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly transits....

Watch the Moon for example.

When the Moon moves through the sky and moves through our charts, especially

when you can learn to 'feel' it, you can start to realize...the real truths of

Jyotish.

For example, when the Moon is getting bigger, like now, and then when it moves

through the different signs, and especially moves into similar houses with

other planets.... you can really feel those!

Take the up-coming Moon & Saturn conjunction starting in about 2 days....

Right now the Moon's in Taurus, and only at the 3rd degree, so still a lot of Exaltedness, left....

But in a 'few' days, let's say 2 1/2, the Moon will move into Gemini, where it

will come within 30 degrees of any planets in Gemini.

Right now, Saturn has Retrograded back into Gemini, so soon, the Moon & Saturn will be conjunct.

So, everyone watch how you feel.... now...

and in 3, 4 and then 5 days.... that Saturn/Moon conjunction...

Then, compare these feelings with the feelings that come next when the Moon

moves past Saturn and into the next sign...

That will be quite a shift this month/year, especially because the Moon feels soooo happy in Cancer.

Then, for the next 2 1/2 days the Moon will be in Cancer, it's Own Sign,....but then,

the Moon will move into Leo, which is farther and farther away from Saturn,....but....

the Moon will be in a sign, where it's supposed to fall under the 3rd house 'aspect' of Saturn...

See, if you/all, can feel that same Saturn feeling that happened when

Saturn&Moon were conjunct, see if you don't feel that same flavor.

Then, when the Moon, continues around the sky, next it will move into

Sagittarius, which is the Sign, completely opposite to Saturn, in Gemini, and

then, when Moon moves into Pisces, Saturn's 10th House aspect is supposed to

kick in.

Experience shows which qualities of Jyotish are more strong and give very

practical understanding that will allow us to understand the same kind of

'aspects' and 'conjunctions', or placements as you say; that are in our charts.

Hope this helps....

Sincerely,

Mark Kincaid

ps.... instead of asking people to guess about your chart, why don't you share

with people, your experience which are stronger.

For example, in my chart, I have Moon & Saturn together in the 12th house, only

1 house away from my Sun in the 11th.

Well, believe me, I can say with complete reliability, that the consequence of

this 'configuration' has been very striking to me.

Plenty of feelings of isolation, loneliness, sadness, even depression growing up.

And as I learned my chart I could 'feel' Saturn's aspects into my 3rd house, and

6th house.... especially.

Not only was I shy, due to the Moon being in the 12th, but, my 2nd house of

speech was very much effected too, and I was extremely shy in school, had a

very difficult time getting up and speaking in class, etc.

But, I also have Jupiter in my 6th in Pisces, in my 6th and at the very same

time I had all these, problems of Moon/Saturn in the 12th,.... I found some

very good qualities due to Jupiter.

First of all, I had pretty good health. Secondly I noticed that Saturn's normal

negative aspect upon the Sign opposite to itself, was probably, improved due to

Jupiter's simultaneous aspect back, upon Saturn and the Moon.

I could also 'feel' all the good qualities of Jupiter's supposed influence upon

the Sign opposite it!

I also had many of the predictatively 'good' qualities of Jupiter upon the Moon,

which was a clear example of the 7th House 'aspect'.

Then, there are the aspects of Jupiter. Jupiter's supposed to influence not

only the Sign where it is, but also 5 Houses away in addition to the classic

7th house aspect.

And I could really feel that too. Jupiter in the 6th, then, casts it's 5th

house aspect into the 10th house, where I have Cancer.

And from as long as I can remember I 'knew' that I wanted to be a teacher.

First of all, I loved teachers growing up, I loved watching them, and admired them greatly.

These qualities are good examples of Jupiter's 5th house aspect.

And finally, when I try and look and find, Jupiter's 9th house aspect, I find

that Jupiter's supposed to be aspecting my 2nd house.

So, not only was I shy due to Saturn's aspect from the 12th, but, I felt also

another influence which later I realized was probably Jupiter's which wanted to

be able to speak and express myself.

Eventually, as I learned how to diminish or transform Saturn's negative

'glances' into more positive one's, I began to feel more comfortable speaking

and eventually became quite comfortable in front of a crowd, or even lecturing.

So, I'm sure we all, will enjoy hearing about how you've come to understand and

experience your chart, too. I'd love to hear your own private experiences as

to the effects of the Planets 'in' different houses/signs, and their

simultaneous effects upon, opposite signs and houses.

Sincerely,

Mark Kincaid

founder Nature's Astrology....

m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com

641 472-0000

Shripal <d_shripal >

AyurvedJyotishYoga

Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:30:57 -0800 (PST)

navlakshya

[AyurvedJyotishYoga] Re: Aspect v/s Placement

Hi Jyotish Volunteer and ALL,

Let's take this birth data of mine.

Name:shripal

Place:Rajkot,Gujarat

Time:21:00

date:16th March 1980

1)In my chart Mars + Saturn + Jupiter + Rahu all

retrogatin and placed in 11th house.All this planets

are aspecting or influencing each other.Correct.

2)In 5th house Mercury and Ketu are together.

3)However Venus is in 7th house.

4)Know planets aspecting first house are Saturn

100%,Venus 100% + venus is a dispositor of that house

too and placed with Venus in enemy house.

5)Venus a first house lord is in trine with Mars +

saturn + rahu + jupiter,so all this planets aspect to

venus is 50% mutually.

5)Mercury + ketu sextile with this Venus,so aspect

mutually is 25%.

So you tell me about my personality and

thoughts,regarding my looks and approach towards

life.Which planet will be most influential with

rescpect,

1)1st house that is me,my looks nd qualities that i

have and i will achieve.

2)4th house that is my mother or staying place

3)7th house that is my wife or partners

4)5th house that is my education,Romance and

Mantra,Tantra etc.

5)9th house my spiritual inclination.

6)11th house my friends,relationship with them anf

gains.

You give me predictions for each and every of my above

points and I will let you know how much truth about

it.

So we can come to conclusion what all houses aspect is

more effective and where palcement is effective.

Which one is more stronger aspect or Placement.

--- Jyotish Volunteers <primusjyotishi (AT) (DOT) ca>

wrote:

>

> Not clear why you called placement as a one time

> influence while

> aspect is a longerlasting one. Please elaborate a

> bit more.

>

>

> navlakshya, Shripal

> <d_shripal> wrote:

> > Guruji,

> >

> >

> > That theory will not work here.aspect is not

> > influencing anybody.So your example I will say

> there

> > is no aspect at all.

> >

> > Aspect mean you can do something,influencing

> > someone.when you are seeing means just seeing.

> > Planets just don't see,they influence.In fact a

> very

> > very great influence.As good as seating and seeing

> is

> > same for them.

> >

> > But let me try to twist your Example,If that

> killer

> > seating find he is a son of his Boss or His father

> is

> > bigger person.Than you tell me Aspect of his

> father

> > not even in his presence,what will be

> outcome.Aspect

> > or Placement.So i guess who is influencing whom

> rather

> > than just seating.

> >

> > And now if you are saying,even he know's still he

> want

> > to kill that person seating beside him,than ready

> for

> > a outcome of aspect that is influencing that guy.

> >

> > That's what I said it in first posting.Strong

> > Placement's of planets is like a one time

> promotion or

> > act of that movement instantly.Aspect is like

> constant

> > movement increasing manner or detoriating

> > movement.Placement is like switch on and Off.while

> > aspect is like Volume button.It influences your

> daily

> > life.

> >

> > --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Shripal

> > >

> > > Please tell me the outcome of the following

> > >

> > > You are with a killer, a bad man in the same

> bus, in

> > > the same seat

> > > you are in a bus, and killer is in another bus,

> he

> > > is looking at you.

> > >

> > > WHich makes you more comfortable?

> > > best wishes

> > > partha

> > >

> > >

> > > navlakshya, Shripal

> > > <d_shripal> wrote:

> > > > Hi sureshji,

> > > >

> > > > your Explantion and Prediction is wonderful.I

> > > myself

> > > > found aspect are more powerful than

> > > Placements.Even

> > > > when I have checked Let say Libra rising and

> > > Saturn in

> > > > Lagna.so this person should possess all the

> > > qualities

> > > > of Exaltes saturn,But in fact it is not there

> at

> > > > all.Considering all factors.Mars in 6th house

> and

> > > > aspecting this saturn.so this person is more

> like

> > > > Martian,rather than saturn like.Even placement

> for

> > > > Mars is also weak,still aspect is working very

> > > well

> > > > than Placement of Saturn.As mars is enemy to

> > > > saturn,still it destroy what ever saturn's

> result

> > > and

> > > > imbibe his resuls in that individual.

> > > >

> > > > I concluded that Aspect should be given a

> higher

> > > > priority.

> > > > --- sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Namasthe

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes Aspect of any planet is more powerful

> than

> > > its

> > > > > association. It is

> > > > > said that if two malefics are in association

> it

> > > > > brings decieses and if

> > > > > a third aspects it brings death. This could

> mean

> > > two

> > > > > things aspect by

> > > > > a (malefic) planet is more potent than the

> > > > > association of two

> > > > > (malefics). Agin in another text

> > > > > "Bhanuna Vasrija drishte dakshange arura

> > > asrigbhava"

> > > > > Saturn if

> > > > > aspected by sun or mars will produce

> eruptions

> > > and

> > > > > boils on the right

> > > > > side of the body due to impure blood. (Cause

> of

> > > > > death) this sloka

> > > > > further explains: "Guruna swayathupathe

> > > dakshinange

> > > > > cha vedana".

> > > > > Jupiter produces swelling of the feets of

> pain

> > > in

> > > > > the body.

> > > > >

> > > > > There are many such examples which shows the

> > > power

> > > > > of aspects of planets.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the example given by you Saturn in the

> 8th

> > > house

> > > > > may confer long

> > > > > life depending on the stregth of Saturn in

> amsa

> > > and

> > > > > sun . but one

> > > > > cannot rule out the physical ailments that

> it

> > > > > signifies. Please note

> > > > > that Saturn Lagnidhipathy is aspecting the

> Karma

> > > > > Sthana as well as

> > > > > dhanasthana and is placed in the atma karaka

> /

> > > pitur

> > > > > karaka Sun. Being

> > > > > an enemy, he may face many problems with his

> > > > > parents. Highly egoistic

> > > > > and in always conflict with oneself. He

> creates

> > > > > wealth by his own

> > > > > efforts. in fact jupiter and mars help

> saturn in

> > > > > this process of

> > > > > creating wealth. (Saturn and mars in mutual

> > > aspect -

> > > > > Lagnadhipathy and

> > > > > labhadhipathy) He may create wealth through

> > > property

> > > > > deals and

> > > > > speculations (High risk) due to the position

> of

> > > mars

> > > > > in taurus and

> > > > > jupiter in mesh(Mars as adhipathy).

> > > > >

> > > > > But he may expect some downfall (sudden and

> > > > > unexpected) as the Saturn

> > > > > is the satru rasi and Jupiter aspecting is

> also

> > > 12th

> > > > > rasi ord

> > > > > (Vyayasthanadhipathy).

> > > > >

> > > > > This person may not happy in life in spite

> of

> > > being

> > > > > a successfull

> > > > > business man. (Sun - Atma Karaka being a

> Sathru

> > > of

> > > > > Saturn -

> > > > > Lagnadhipathy and Saturn being in leo

> aspecting

> > > the

> > > > > Atma Karaka

> > > > > griha's Neecha Rasi)

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you putting such queries. give your

> > > comments.

> > > > > Have no doubt that aspect is more potent

> than

> > > yoga

> > > > > expecially that of

> > > > > saturn . Remember Ravana had his downfall

> when

> > > > > saturn in transit

> > > > > reached his seventh house. I have seen many

> > > persons

> > > > > who were sitting

> > > > > at the pinacles of their carrer/life fall to

> > > nothing

> > > > > when saturn

> > > > > traverse throuth 4th, 7th and 11th house

> either

> > > from

> > > > > ascendant or moon

> > > > > sign.

> > > > >

> > > > > May Lord Bless You.

> > > > >

> > > > > Suresh Bbu.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology,

> Shripal

> > > > > <d_shripal> wrote:

> > > > > > Hello All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Planetary aspect should be given more

> > > important or

> > > > > > palcement,which one would be powerful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let say Saturn is placed in 8th house in

> > > Leo.so

> > > > > for

> > > > > > Capricon Ascendant it is benefic.Now

> Jupiter

> > > > > placed in

> > > > > > 4th House aspecting Saturn.So here aspect

> is

> > > Trine

> > > > > > that is 50% b/w planets and 100% by

> Jupiter.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But being in Leo,it is in enemies house

> and

> > > 50%

> > > > > aspect

> > > > > > to jupiter,that is benefic,so Saturn thrid

> > > aspect

> > > > > to

> > > > > > 10th house that is his own exalted sign

> will

> > > give

> > > > > > benefic result or malefic result,by how

> much.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now climax comes,If Mars is in Taurus ans

> > > ,Mars is

> > > > > > also aspecting this Saturn 100% and

> vice-versa

> > > is

> > > > > also

> > > > > > true.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So it will try to make Saturn act

> > > malefically.so

> > > > > what

> > > > > > will be a Saturn's response.Good or

> TooBad.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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