Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Thank you for your well researched write up on Rahu/Ketu rulership. You state that Rahu aspects other planets whilst Ketu does not. Pandit Gopesh Kumar Ojha at page 74 of his book on Predictive Astrology of the Hindus states, "Rahu and Ketu do not aspect nor are they aspected. But suppose Rahu or Ketu is in a particular sign and that sign is aspected by Jupiter; then due to the quality of the sign being beneficially improved due to Jupiter's aspect, the quality of Rahu or Ketu is also automatically improved and we say that Rahu or Ketu is aspected by a benefic. But strictly speaking Rahu and Ketu are affected by conjunction of benefics or malefics and do not come in the realm of aspects." I respectfully invite you, Gurus and learned members to throw some light on this, as the problem of aspects so far as Rahu and Ketu are concerned have not been put to rest. Looking forward to hearing from everyone of you. Thank you. DavidMuhammad Imran <astroimran > wrote: Friends,The rulership of lunar nodes (Rahu & Ketu) is, one ofthe most controversial issue among astrologers asJyotish classics themselves differ over sign ownershipof Rahu/Ketu. Since they are not physical bodies butintersecting points on heaven therefore they are notexclusively lord any sign and thus are givenadditional rulership (co-lordship) over certain signs.In characteristics, Rahu is akin to Saturn and Ketu toMars. Rahu aspects fully (100%) to 12th, 9th and 5th antizodiacally (or say 2nd, 5th and 9th in regularorder), while Ketu is unable to cast aspect, becausein myths it is pictured as headless entity.Maharishi Jaimini teachings suggest the followingfacts regarding Rahu/Ketu.Nodes Own Mooltrikona Exaltation Debilitation-----------------Rahu: Aqu Virgo Gemini SagittariusKetu: Sco Pisces Sagittrius Gemini-----------------In case of Aqu and Sco, Arudhas are erected bycomparing the relative strength of Sat-Rahu andMars-Ketu respectively. Whereas in general analysisboth lords/co-lords are considered for these lagans.Besides these, the functional (benefic/malefic) statusof nodes are not like other planets. Even it hingesupon their placement, association and strength ofdispositors. Therefore Rahu or its period may becomeinauspicious even for Aquarius or Virgo lagnas, andKetu for Scorpio or Pisces on account of reasonmentioned above. Often Rahu/Ketu are considered wellin all dual signs and in uppachaya(3,6,10,11) houses.Rahu/Ketu in quadrant, if solely associated with trinelords, cause Raja yogas.Sage Parashara viewed Rahu/Ketu more or less likeJaimini; BPHS (47):34-39. “..... The exaltation sign of Rahu is Taurus. Theexaltation sign of Ketu is Scorpio. The MoolaTrikonasof Rahu and Ketu are Gemini and Sagittarius. The ownsigns of Rahu and Ketu are Aquarius and Scorpio. Somesages have expressed the view, that Virgo is the ownsign of Rahu, and Pisces is the own sign of Ketu...”Whereas, Varahamihira did not rank Rahu/Ketuequivalent to conventional sapta-garahas. Apart fromit, there are some other views too, on the lordshipand exaltation/debilitation of Rahu/Ketu.Regards,M.Imran--- prital_18 wrote:> > > Thank you, Nitinji. I was just asking cuz I did not> know that rahu > and ketu co-ruled those rasis (i'm still learning). > > > So, then would rahu for Aqua lagnas and Ketu for> Scorpio lagnas be > considered benefic (since they are lagna lords)? > And what about > their aspects on other planets?> > Prital> > > vedic astrology, "Nitin"> > wrote:> > > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||> > > > Dear Prital and List members, Namaskaar. > > > > In case I was unclear earlier, let me re-iterate> that I consider> > > > Rahu to co-rule Aquarius. > > Ketu to co-rule Scorpio. > > > > ...based on my learning thus far. > > > > Best wishes, > > Nitin.> > > > || Namah Shivaaya ||> > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers.At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide!http://us.click./hjtSRD/3MnJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM--~-> Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:vedic astrology/<*> To from this group, send an email to:vedic astrology<*> Your use of is subject to: Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Hi David, I totally agree,shadow planets do not aspect at all.If they are aspected somehow than only they give results.They even don't act as a dispositor.Only Rahu ketu results you will see when these palnets are getting aspected by some other planets,squaring up,sextile or trine brings results. Even alone placement,they don't give result,till they are been aspected by real strong planets in a chart. --- David Andrews <andrews635 wrote: > Dear Imranji, > Thank you for your well researched write up on > Rahu/Ketu rulership. You state that Rahu aspects > other planets whilst Ketu does not. > Pandit Gopesh Kumar Ojha at page 74 of his book on > Predictive Astrology of the Hindus states, "Rahu and > Ketu do not aspect nor are they aspected. But > suppose Rahu or Ketu is in a particular sign and > that sign is aspected by Jupiter; then due to the > quality of the sign being beneficially improved due > to Jupiter's aspect, the quality of Rahu or Ketu is > also automatically improved and we say that Rahu or > Ketu is aspected by a benefic. But strictly speaking > Rahu and Ketu are affected by conjunction of > benefics or malefics and do not come in the realm of > aspects." > I respectfully invite you, Gurus and learned members > to throw some light on this, as the problem of > aspects so far as Rahu and Ketu are concerned have > not been put to rest. > Looking forward to hearing from everyone of you. > Thank you. > > David > > Muhammad Imran <astroimran wrote: > > Friends, > > The rulership of lunar nodes (Rahu & Ketu) is, one > of > the most controversial issue among astrologers as > Jyotish classics themselves differ over sign > ownership > of Rahu/Ketu. Since they are not physical bodies but > intersecting points on heaven therefore they are not > exclusively lord any sign and thus are given > additional rulership (co-lordship) over certain > signs. > In characteristics, Rahu is akin to Saturn and Ketu > to > Mars. Rahu aspects fully (100%) to 12th, 9th and 5th > > antizodiacally (or say 2nd, 5th and 9th in regular > order), while Ketu is unable to cast aspect, because > in myths it is pictured as headless entity. > > Maharishi Jaimini teachings suggest the following > facts regarding Rahu/Ketu. > > Nodes Own Mooltrikona Exaltation Debilitation > ----------------- > Rahu: Aqu Virgo Gemini Sagittarius > Ketu: Sco Pisces Sagittrius Gemini > ----------------- > > In case of Aqu and Sco, Arudhas are erected by > comparing the relative strength of Sat-Rahu and > Mars-Ketu respectively. Whereas in general analysis > both lords/co-lords are considered for these lagans. > Besides these, the functional (benefic/malefic) > status > of nodes are not like other planets. Even it hinges > upon their placement, association and strength of > dispositors. Therefore Rahu or its period may become > inauspicious even for Aquarius or Virgo lagnas, and > Ketu for Scorpio or Pisces on account of reason > mentioned above. Often Rahu/Ketu are considered well > in all dual signs and in uppachaya(3,6,10,11) > houses. > Rahu/Ketu in quadrant, if solely associated with > trine > lords, cause Raja yogas. > > > Sage Parashara viewed Rahu/Ketu more or less like > Jaimini; > > BPHS (47):34-39. > “..... The exaltation sign of Rahu is Taurus. The > exaltation sign of Ketu is Scorpio. The > MoolaTrikonas > of Rahu and Ketu are Gemini and Sagittarius. The own > signs of Rahu and Ketu are Aquarius and Scorpio. > Some > sages have expressed the view, that Virgo is the own > sign of Rahu, and Pisces is the own sign of Ketu...” > > Whereas, Varahamihira did not rank Rahu/Ketu > equivalent to conventional sapta-garahas. Apart from > it, there are some other views too, on the lordship > and exaltation/debilitation of Rahu/Ketu. > > Regards, > M.Imran > > > --- prital_18 wrote: > > > > > > > Thank you, Nitinji. I was just asking cuz I did > not > > know that rahu > > and ketu co-ruled those rasis (i'm still > learning). > > > > > > So, then would rahu for Aqua lagnas and Ketu for > > Scorpio lagnas be > > considered benefic (since they are lagna lords)? > > And what about > > their aspects on other planets? > > > > Prital > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Nitin" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > > > > > Dear Prital and List members, Namaskaar. > > > > > > In case I was unclear earlier, let me re-iterate > > that I consider > > > > > > Rahu to co-rule Aquarius. > > > Ketu to co-rule Scorpio. > > > > > > ...based on my learning thus far. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Nitin. > > > > > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Dear David The term aspect or what we call in Sanskrit as Graha Dristhi is the "desire" of the planet to influence the matters of a house,. As per the Puranas(mythology) Rahu was the asuric demon who wanted a share of nectar of immortality and was desirous of obtaining the same. His head was cut off with the timely intervention of sun and moon who complained to the all pervading Vishnu about the stealth. The head since then has come to be known as Rahu and the body as Ketu,. Now since Rahu had already drunk a small drop of nectar, the head could not die, and hence is always alive and immortal with desires. Thus rahu in us Represents the desire for a body(material), whereas Ketu represents the yearning for head full of knowledge. Note that ketu doesnot have a desire to get moksha, but a pursuit for the liberation. Thus Rahu does have aspect and a very powrful aspect. He has the Papa drishti to all that is good(jupiter). As we are aware Jupiter has three aspects 5,9,and the normal 7th aspect. Similary Rahu does have an aspect to bring all that we had done in past. Rahu represents the Sins of the past, whereas ketu the mistakes. Rahu also aspects 12th from its own place as it is the reason for rebirth. Ketu cannot have a dristhi, as it doesnot have a desire. Graha Dristhi is the desire to infleunce the matters of the particular house. That is why the Raja Yogas formed by mutual aspect (Desire to be a king) of lagna and fifth lord are more powerful than mere rasi drishti. best wishes partha On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:12:37 -0800 (PST), David Andrews <andrews635 wrote: > Dear Imranji, > Thank you for your well researched write up on Rahu/Ketu rulership. You > state that Rahu aspects other planets whilst Ketu does not. > Pandit Gopesh Kumar Ojha at page 74 of his book on Predictive Astrology of > the Hindus states, "Rahu and Ketu do not aspect nor are they aspected. But > suppose Rahu or Ketu is in a particular sign and that sign is aspected by > Jupiter; then due to the quality of the sign being beneficially improved due > to Jupiter's aspect, the quality of Rahu or Ketu is also automatically > improved and we say that Rahu or Ketu is aspected by a benefic. But > strictly speaking Rahu and Ketu are affected by conjunction of benefics or > malefics and do not come in the realm of aspects." > I respectfully invite you, Gurus and learned members to throw some light on > this, as the problem of aspects so far as Rahu and Ketu are concerned have > not been put to rest. > Looking forward to hearing from everyone of you. > Thank you. > > David > > > Muhammad Imran <astroimran wrote: > > Friends, > > The rulership of lunar nodes (Rahu & Ketu) is, one of > the most controversial issue among astrologers as > Jyotish classics themselves differ over sign ownership > of Rahu/Ketu. Since they are not physical bodies but > intersecting points on heaven therefore they are not > exclusively lord any sign and thus are given > additional rulership (co-lordship) over certain signs. > In characteristics, Rahu is akin to Saturn and Ketu to > Mars. Rahu aspects fully (100%) to 12th, 9th and 5th > antizodiacally (or say 2nd, 5th and 9th in regular > order), while Ketu is unable to cast aspect, because > in myths it is pictured as headless entity. > > Maharishi Jaimini teachings suggest the following > facts regarding Rahu/Ketu. > > Nodes Own Mooltrikona Exaltation Debilitation > ----------------- > Rahu: Aqu Virgo Gemini Sagittarius > Ketu: Sco Pisces Sagittrius Gemini > ----------------- > > In case of Aqu and Sco, Arudhas are erected by > comparing the relative strength of Sat-Rahu and > Mars-Ketu respectively. Whereas in general analysis > both lords/co-lords are considered for these lagans. > Besides these, the functional (benefic/malefic) status > of nodes are not like other planets. Even it hinges > upon their placement, association and strength of > dispositors. Therefore Rahu or its period may become > inauspicious even for Aquarius or Virgo lagnas, and > Ketu for Scorpio or Pisces on account of reason > mentioned above. Often Rahu/Ketu are considered well > in all dual signs and in uppachaya(3,6,10,11) houses. > Rahu/Ketu in quadrant, if solely associated with trine > lords, cause Raja yogas. > > > Sage Parashara viewed Rahu/Ketu more or less like > Jaimini; > > BPHS (47):34-39. > "..... The exaltation sign of Rahu is Taurus. The > exaltation sign of Ketu is Scorpio. The MoolaTrikonas > of Rahu and Ketu are Gemini and Sagittarius. The own > signs of Rahu and Ketu are Aquarius and Scorpio. Some > sages have expressed the view, that Virgo is the own > sign of Rahu, and Pisces is the own sign of Ketu..." > > Whereas, Varahamihira did not rank Rahu/Ketu > equivalent to conventional sapta-garahas. Apart from > it, there are some other views too, on the lordship > and exaltation/debilitation of Rahu/Ketu. > > Regards, > M.Imran > > > --- prital_18 wrote: > > > > > > > Thank you, Nitinji. I was just asking cuz I did not > > know that rahu > > and ketu co-ruled those rasis (i'm still learning). > > > > > > So, then would rahu for Aqua lagnas and Ketu for > > Scorpio lagnas be > > considered benefic (since they are lagna lords)? > > And what about > > their aspects on other planets? > > > > Prital > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Nitin" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > > > > > Dear Prital and List members, Namaskaar. > > > > > > In case I was unclear earlier, let me re-iterate > > that I consider > > > > > > Rahu to co-rule Aquarius. > > > Ketu to co-rule Scorpio. > > > > > > ...based on my learning thus far. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Nitin. > > > > > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > Links > > > ________________________________ > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > ________________________________ > Links > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > > > -- V.Partha Sarathy, partvinu.tripod.com All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him. -----Buddha Plot.no.71 Road No.3 Nagarjuna Hills Hyderabad India-500 082 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Dear Shripal All the planets are representative of certain relative truths of our being. Rahu and Ketu are shadowy planets doesnot mean that they are Shadows. Why are you taking them in literal sense. Rahu and ketu act in a subtle manner, you may not be able to notice their effect. Their effects are either felt suddenly or over a long period of time. That is why they are called Shadowy planets, and not because they are shadows best wishes partha On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:15:44 +0530, Partha Sarathy <partvinu wrote: > Dear David > > The term aspect or what we call in Sanskrit as Graha Dristhi is the > "desire" of the planet to influence the matters of a house,. > As per the Puranas(mythology) Rahu was the asuric demon who wanted a > share of nectar of immortality and was desirous of obtaining the same. > His head was cut off with the timely intervention of sun and moon who > complained to the all pervading Vishnu about the stealth. The head > since then has come to be known as Rahu and the body as Ketu,. > Now since Rahu had already drunk a small drop of nectar, the head > could not die, and hence is always alive and immortal with desires. > Thus rahu in us Represents the desire for a body(material), whereas > Ketu represents the yearning for head full of knowledge. Note that > ketu doesnot have a desire to get moksha, but a pursuit for the > liberation. > Thus Rahu does have aspect and a very powrful aspect. He has the Papa > drishti to all that is good(jupiter). As we are aware Jupiter has > three aspects 5,9,and the normal 7th aspect. Similary Rahu does have > an aspect to bring all that we had done in past. Rahu represents the > Sins of the past, whereas ketu the mistakes. > Rahu also aspects 12th from its own place as it is the reason for rebirth. > Ketu cannot have a dristhi, as it doesnot have a desire. Graha Dristhi > is the desire to infleunce the matters of the particular house. > That is why the Raja Yogas formed by mutual aspect (Desire to be a > king) of lagna and fifth lord are more powerful than mere rasi > drishti. > best wishes > partha > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:12:37 -0800 (PST), David Andrews > <andrews635 wrote: > > Dear Imranji, > > Thank you for your well researched write up on Rahu/Ketu rulership. You > > state that Rahu aspects other planets whilst Ketu does not. > > Pandit Gopesh Kumar Ojha at page 74 of his book on Predictive Astrology of > > the Hindus states, "Rahu and Ketu do not aspect nor are they aspected. But > > suppose Rahu or Ketu is in a particular sign and that sign is aspected by > > Jupiter; then due to the quality of the sign being beneficially improved due > > to Jupiter's aspect, the quality of Rahu or Ketu is also automatically > > improved and we say that Rahu or Ketu is aspected by a benefic. But > > strictly speaking Rahu and Ketu are affected by conjunction of benefics or > > malefics and do not come in the realm of aspects." > > I respectfully invite you, Gurus and learned members to throw some light on > > this, as the problem of aspects so far as Rahu and Ketu are concerned have > > not been put to rest. > > Looking forward to hearing from everyone of you. > > Thank you. > > > > David > > > > > > Muhammad Imran <astroimran wrote: > > > > Friends, > > > > The rulership of lunar nodes (Rahu & Ketu) is, one of > > the most controversial issue among astrologers as > > Jyotish classics themselves differ over sign ownership > > of Rahu/Ketu. Since they are not physical bodies but > > intersecting points on heaven therefore they are not > > exclusively lord any sign and thus are given > > additional rulership (co-lordship) over certain signs. > > In characteristics, Rahu is akin to Saturn and Ketu to > > Mars. Rahu aspects fully (100%) to 12th, 9th and 5th > > antizodiacally (or say 2nd, 5th and 9th in regular > > order), while Ketu is unable to cast aspect, because > > in myths it is pictured as headless entity. > > > > Maharishi Jaimini teachings suggest the following > > facts regarding Rahu/Ketu. > > > > Nodes Own Mooltrikona Exaltation Debilitation > > ----------------- > > Rahu: Aqu Virgo Gemini Sagittarius > > Ketu: Sco Pisces Sagittrius Gemini > > ----------------- > > > > In case of Aqu and Sco, Arudhas are erected by > > comparing the relative strength of Sat-Rahu and > > Mars-Ketu respectively. Whereas in general analysis > > both lords/co-lords are considered for these lagans. > > Besides these, the functional (benefic/malefic) status > > of nodes are not like other planets. Even it hinges > > upon their placement, association and strength of > > dispositors. Therefore Rahu or its period may become > > inauspicious even for Aquarius or Virgo lagnas, and > > Ketu for Scorpio or Pisces on account of reason > > mentioned above. Often Rahu/Ketu are considered well > > in all dual signs and in uppachaya(3,6,10,11) houses. > > Rahu/Ketu in quadrant, if solely associated with trine > > lords, cause Raja yogas. > > > > > > Sage Parashara viewed Rahu/Ketu more or less like > > Jaimini; > > > > BPHS (47):34-39. > > "..... The exaltation sign of Rahu is Taurus. The > > exaltation sign of Ketu is Scorpio. The MoolaTrikonas > > of Rahu and Ketu are Gemini and Sagittarius. The own > > signs of Rahu and Ketu are Aquarius and Scorpio. Some > > sages have expressed the view, that Virgo is the own > > sign of Rahu, and Pisces is the own sign of Ketu..." > > > > Whereas, Varahamihira did not rank Rahu/Ketu > > equivalent to conventional sapta-garahas. Apart from > > it, there are some other views too, on the lordship > > and exaltation/debilitation of Rahu/Ketu. > > > > Regards, > > M.Imran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- prital_18 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Nitinji. I was just asking cuz I did not > > > know that rahu > > > and ketu co-ruled those rasis (i'm still learning). > > > > > > > > > So, then would rahu for Aqua lagnas and Ketu for > > > Scorpio lagnas be > > > considered benefic (since they are lagna lords)? > > > And what about > > > their aspects on other planets? > > > > > > Prital > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Nitin" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > > > > > > > Dear Prital and List members, Namaskaar. > > > > > > > > In case I was unclear earlier, let me re-iterate > > > that I consider > > > > > > > > Rahu to co-rule Aquarius. > > > > Ketu to co-rule Scorpio. > > > > > > > > ...based on my learning thus far. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Nitin. > > > > > > > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Links > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > -- > V.Partha Sarathy, > partvinu.tripod.com > > All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks > or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or > acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that > never leaves him. > -----Buddha > > Plot.no.71 > Road No.3 > Nagarjuna Hills > Hyderabad > India-500 082 > -- V.Partha Sarathy, partvinu.tripod.com All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him. -----Buddha Plot.no.71 Road No.3 Nagarjuna Hills Hyderabad India-500 082 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Namaste Members, This is a good topic, however, since Rishis and great authors hold different views regarding the houses of Ra/Ke, astrologers simply follow what their teachers advise them. This holds true for all other matters where any authority(pramaaNa) is not fixed by great authors. Like the year in question, whether saura or saavana should be considered etc; The authors probably fixed the signs, seeing the good results they gave in those houses. The great Varahamihira doesn't give much importance to Ra / Ke. The reason, probably is, they can't give any results of their own. The results they give depends on the house posited, nakshatra occupied, aspects, conjunctions etc; Therefore, deducing the results of Ra/ Ke is no easy task. Sometimes, they give very good results and sometimes very bad. Although Ra is generally described as material, in some charts, the influence Ra supported spiritual progress. For Ke, I don't consider aspects, while for Ra, I consider 5,9,7 aspects. Best Regards, Saaji vedic astrology, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote: > Dear David > > The term aspect or what we call in Sanskrit as Graha Dristhi is the > "desire" of the planet to influence the matters of a house,. > As per the Puranas(mythology) Rahu was the asuric demon who wanted a > share of nectar of immortality and was desirous of obtaining the same. > His head was cut off with the timely intervention of sun and moon who > complained to the all pervading Vishnu about the stealth. The head > since then has come to be known as Rahu and the body as Ketu,. > Now since Rahu had already drunk a small drop of nectar, the head > could not die, and hence is always alive and immortal with desires. > Thus rahu in us Represents the desire for a body(material), whereas > Ketu represents the yearning for head full of knowledge. Note that > ketu doesnot have a desire to get moksha, but a pursuit for the > liberation. > Thus Rahu does have aspect and a very powrful aspect. He has the Papa > drishti to all that is good(jupiter). As we are aware Jupiter has > three aspects 5,9,and the normal 7th aspect. Similary Rahu does have > an aspect to bring all that we had done in past. Rahu represents the > Sins of the past, whereas ketu the mistakes. > Rahu also aspects 12th from its own place as it is the reason for rebirth. > Ketu cannot have a dristhi, as it doesnot have a desire. Graha Dristhi > is the desire to infleunce the matters of the particular house. > That is why the Raja Yogas formed by mutual aspect (Desire to be a > king) of lagna and fifth lord are more powerful than mere rasi > drishti. > best wishes > partha > > > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:12:37 -0800 (PST), David Andrews > <andrews635> wrote: > > Dear Imranji, > > Thank you for your well researched write up on Rahu/Ketu rulership. You > > state that Rahu aspects other planets whilst Ketu does not. > > Pandit Gopesh Kumar Ojha at page 74 of his book on Predictive Astrology of > > the Hindus states, "Rahu and Ketu do not aspect nor are they aspected. But > > suppose Rahu or Ketu is in a particular sign and that sign is aspected by > > Jupiter; then due to the quality of the sign being beneficially improved due > > to Jupiter's aspect, the quality of Rahu or Ketu is also automatically > > improved and we say that Rahu or Ketu is aspected by a benefic. But > > strictly speaking Rahu and Ketu are affected by conjunction of benefics or > > malefics and do not come in the realm of aspects." > > I respectfully invite you, Gurus and learned members to throw some light on > > this, as the problem of aspects so far as Rahu and Ketu are concerned have > > not been put to rest. > > Looking forward to hearing from everyone of you. > > Thank you. > > > > David > > > > > > Muhammad Imran <astroimran> wrote: > > > > Friends, > > > > The rulership of lunar nodes (Rahu & Ketu) is, one of > > the most controversial issue among astrologers as > > Jyotish classics themselves differ over sign ownership > > of Rahu/Ketu. Since they are not physical bodies but > > intersecting points on heaven therefore they are not > > exclusively lord any sign and thus are given > > additional rulership (co-lordship) over certain signs. > > In characteristics, Rahu is akin to Saturn and Ketu to > > Mars. Rahu aspects fully (100%) to 12th, 9th and 5th > > antizodiacally (or say 2nd, 5th and 9th in regular > > order), while Ketu is unable to cast aspect, because > > in myths it is pictured as headless entity. > > > > Maharishi Jaimini teachings suggest the following > > facts regarding Rahu/Ketu. > > > > Nodes Own Mooltrikona Exaltation Debilitation > > ----------------- > > Rahu: Aqu Virgo Gemini Sagittarius > > Ketu: Sco Pisces Sagittrius Gemini > > ----------------- > > > > In case of Aqu and Sco, Arudhas are erected by > > comparing the relative strength of Sat-Rahu and > > Mars-Ketu respectively. Whereas in general analysis > > both lords/co-lords are considered for these lagans. > > Besides these, the functional (benefic/malefic) status > > of nodes are not like other planets. Even it hinges > > upon their placement, association and strength of > > dispositors. Therefore Rahu or its period may become > > inauspicious even for Aquarius or Virgo lagnas, and > > Ketu for Scorpio or Pisces on account of reason > > mentioned above. Often Rahu/Ketu are considered well > > in all dual signs and in uppachaya(3,6,10,11) houses. > > Rahu/Ketu in quadrant, if solely associated with trine > > lords, cause Raja yogas. > > > > > > Sage Parashara viewed Rahu/Ketu more or less like > > Jaimini; > > > > BPHS (47):34-39. > > "..... The exaltation sign of Rahu is Taurus. The > > exaltation sign of Ketu is Scorpio. The MoolaTrikonas > > of Rahu and Ketu are Gemini and Sagittarius. The own > > signs of Rahu and Ketu are Aquarius and Scorpio. Some > > sages have expressed the view, that Virgo is the own > > sign of Rahu, and Pisces is the own sign of Ketu..." > > > > Whereas, Varahamihira did not rank Rahu/Ketu > > equivalent to conventional sapta-garahas. Apart from > > it, there are some other views too, on the lordship > > and exaltation/debilitation of Rahu/Ketu. > > > > Regards, > > M.Imran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- prital_18 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Nitinji. I was just asking cuz I did not > > > know that rahu > > > and ketu co-ruled those rasis (i'm still learning). > > > > > > > > > So, then would rahu for Aqua lagnas and Ketu for > > > Scorpio lagnas be > > > considered benefic (since they are lagna lords)? > > > And what about > > > their aspects on other planets? > > > > > > Prital > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Nitin" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > > > > > > > Dear Prital and List members, Namaskaar. > > > > > > > > In case I was unclear earlier, let me re-iterate > > > that I consider > > > > > > > > Rahu to co-rule Aquarius. > > > > Ketu to co-rule Scorpio. > > > > > > > > ...based on my learning thus far. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Nitin. > > > > > > > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Dera Shripal, David and Friends, The counter arguements, you have raised, are interesting indeed. On vedic astrology , this issue was thoroughly dicussed many times. There are some thougth provoking messages/comments during September 1999. (messages 1750 to 1800). Where Sanjay Rath, Narasimharao, Robert A. Koch, Zoran and other SJC Guru's taught same what Partha has opined now, and infact it is widely accepted. I am attaching a file "Tribute to Rahu" contains views and case studies, not given on SJC forum. Though it is not necessary to blindly follow anyone , as skepticism is the foundation of scientific research. As far as, the aspect of Rahu is concern. Numerous Jyotish classics have endorsed its validity and mentioned combinations casued by Rahu's aspect, so it may be baseless to say Rahu can not aspect. Regards, M.Imran saaji kulangara <saajik > wrote: Namaste Members,This is a good topic, however, since Rishis and great authors hold different views regarding the houses of Ra/Ke, astrologers simply follow what their teachers advise them. This holds true for all other matters where any authority(pramaaNa) is not fixed by great authors. Like the year in question, whether saura or saavana should be considered etc; The authors probably fixed the signs, seeing the good results they gave in those houses. The great Varahamihira doesn't give much importance to Ra / Ke. The reason, probably is, they can't give any results of their own. The results they give depends on the house posited, nakshatra occupied, aspects, conjunctions etc; Therefore, deducing the results of Ra/ Ke is no easy task. Sometimes, they give very good results and sometimes very bad. Although Ra is generally described as material, in some charts, the influence Ra supported spiritual progress.For Ke, I don't consider aspects, while for Ra, I consider 5,9,7 aspects.Best Regards,Saajivedic astrology, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:> Dear David> > The term aspect or what we call in Sanskrit as Graha Dristhi is the> "desire" of the planet to influence the matters of a house,.> As per the Puranas(mythology) Rahu was the asuric demon who wanted a> share of nectar of immortality and was desirous of obtaining the same.> His head was cut off with the timely intervention of sun and moon who> complained to the all pervading Vishnu about the stealth. The head> since then has come to be known as Rahu and the body as Ketu,.> Now since Rahu had already drunk a small drop of nectar, the head> could not die, and hence is always alive and immortal with desires.> Thus rahu in us Represents the desire for a body(material), whereas> Ketu represents the yearning for head full of knowledge. Note that> ketu doesnot have a desire to get moksha, but a pursuit for the> liberation.> Thus Rahu does have aspect and a very powrful aspect. He has the Papa> drishti to all that is good(jupiter). As we are aware Jupiter has> three aspects 5,9,and the normal 7th aspect. Similary Rahu does have> an aspect to bring all that we had done in past. Rahu represents the> Sins of the past, whereas ketu the mistakes.> Rahu also aspects 12th from its own place as it is the reason for rebirth.> Ketu cannot have a dristhi, as it doesnot have a desire. Graha Dristhi> is the desire to infleunce the matters of the particular house.> That is why the Raja Yogas formed by mutual aspect (Desire to be a> king) of lagna and fifth lord are more powerful than mere rasi> drishti.> best wishes> partha> > > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:12:37 -0800 (PST), David Andrews> <andrews635> wrote:> > Dear Imranji,> > Thank you for your well researched write up on Rahu/Ketu rulership. You> > state that Rahu aspects other planets whilst Ketu does not.> > Pandit Gopesh Kumar Ojha at page 74 of his book on Predictive Astrology of> > the Hindus states, "Rahu and Ketu do not aspect nor are they aspected. But> > suppose Rahu or Ketu is in a particular sign and that sign is aspected by> > Jupiter; then due to the quality of the sign being beneficially improved due> > to Jupiter's aspect, the quality of Rahu or Ketu is also automatically> > improved and we say that Rahu or Ketu is aspected by a benefic. But > > strictly speaking Rahu and Ketu are affected by conjunction of benefics or> > malefics and do not come in the realm of aspects."> > I respectfully invite you, Gurus and learned members to throw some light on> > this, as the problem of aspects so far as Rahu and Ketu are concerned have> > not been put to rest.> > Looking forward to hearing from everyone of you.> > Thank you.> > > > David> > > > > > Muhammad Imran <astroimran> wrote:> > > > Friends,> > > > The rulership of lunar nodes (Rahu & Ketu) is, one of> > the most controversial issue among astrologers as> > Jyotish classics themselves differ over sign ownership> > of Rahu/Ketu. Since they are not physical bodies but> > intersecting points on heaven therefore they are not> > exclusively lord any sign and thus are given> > additional rulership (co-lordship) over certain signs.> > In characteristics, Rahu is akin to Saturn and Ketu to> > Mars. Rahu aspects fully (100%) to 12th, 9th and 5th > > antizodiacally (or say 2nd, 5th and 9th in regular> > order), while Ketu is unable to cast aspect, because> > in myths it is pictured as headless entity.> > > > Maharishi Jaimini teachings suggest the following> > facts regarding Rahu/Ketu.> > > > Nodes Own Mooltrikona Exaltation Debilitation> > -----------------> > Rahu: Aqu Virgo Gemini Sagittarius> > Ketu: Sco Pisces Sagittrius Gemini> > -----------------> > > > In case of Aqu and Sco, Arudhas are erected by> > comparing the relative strength of Sat-Rahu and> > Mars-Ketu respectively. Whereas in general analysis> > both lords/co-lords are considered for these lagans.> > Besides these, the functional (benefic/malefic) status> > of nodes are not like other planets. Even it hinges> > upon their placement, association and strength of> > dispositors. Therefore Rahu or its period may become> > inauspicious even for Aquarius or Virgo lagnas, and> > Ketu for Scorpio or Pisces on account of reason> > mentioned above. Often Rahu/Ketu are considered well> > in all dual signs and in uppachaya(3,6,10,11) houses.> > Rahu/Ketu in quadrant, if solely associated with trine> > lords, cause Raja yogas.> > > > > > Sage Parashara viewed Rahu/Ketu more or less like> > Jaimini; > > > > BPHS (47):34-39. > > "..... The exaltation sign of Rahu is Taurus. The> > exaltation sign of Ketu is Scorpio. The MoolaTrikonas> > of Rahu and Ketu are Gemini and Sagittarius. The own> > signs of Rahu and Ketu are Aquarius and Scorpio. Some> > sages have expressed the view, that Virgo is the own> > sign of Rahu, and Pisces is the own sign of Ketu..."> > > > Whereas, Varahamihira did not rank Rahu/Ketu> > equivalent to conventional sapta-garahas. Apart from> > it, there are some other views too, on the lordship> > and exaltation/debilitation of Rahu/Ketu.> > > > Regards,> > M.Imran> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- prital_18 wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Nitinji. I was just asking cuz I did not> > > know that rahu > > > and ketu co-ruled those rasis (i'm still learning). > > > > > > > > > So, then would rahu for Aqua lagnas and Ketu for> > > Scorpio lagnas be > > > considered benefic (since they are lagna lords)? > > > And what about > > > their aspects on other planets?> > > > > > Prital> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Nitin"> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||> > > > > > > > Dear Prital and List members, Namaskaar. > > > > > > > > In case I was unclear earlier, let me re-iterate> > > that I consider> > > > > > > > Rahu to co-rule Aquarius. > > > > Ketu to co-rule Scorpio. > > > > > > > > ...based on my learning thus far. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Nitin.> > > > > > > > || Namah Shivaaya ||> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > > > > > Links> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > Do you ?> > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > ________________________________> > Links> > To visit your group on the web, go to:> > vedic astrology/> > > > > > vedic astrology> > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > -- > V.Partha Sarathy, > partvinu.tripod.com> > All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks> or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or> acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that> never leaves him.> -----Buddha > > > Plot.no.71> Road No.3> Nagarjuna Hills> Hyderabad> India-500 082Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. Attachment: (application/msword) Tribute to Rahu.doc [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Dear David, I would like to add. As you know ,Rahu and ketu are the nodes of moon which appear as shadows of moon in the form of snake's hood and long tail(like cobra). As you have read stories about asura planets etc on net it make no relevance to repeat it again. This story is symbolic and need to be unfolded. Since rahu is hood of snake and without tail. So snake's hood has eyes; so eyes give it outwardly looking nature which motivates native to long for and desire. Materialism and Desires are worldly phenomenon and snakes' hood with eyes studded on the face bestly represent it. So rahu represents symbolically whatever relates to material world and ofcourse our unsatiated desires and nodoubt problems emanating from nonfulfilment of these outworldly desires and resulting thereby in our more misreable lives due to impact of Rahu. Some people say that being nonexistant planets they don't have aspects. Some people say that only Rahu having eyes can see ( aspect) and it has only fifth and seventh aspect. Ketu being tail has no aspect. Ketu being without eyes, it represents intensity to look inwardly(inside soul), not outwardly as in case of Rahu. Inward means introspection, self analysis, introvert nature , fears, suspicious. Rahu is extrovert. Rahu being snake, is venomous and firey,it vomit out poison, so the native becomes bitter tongued vomitting out lava as in case volcanos.You can further interpret Rahu through meaning of Volcano and associated symbols giving in philosophical meaning to these denotions.(So it brings havoc in our lives). Ketu being opposite in nature, it gives coldness, frigidity, suspicion and the man becomes introvert and this looking inside nature turns the man towards spiritualism and religion. Longing for self actualisation or moksha. Astrologers have tried to decodify the nature of these shadows with their experience and intelligence. You can also go far in thinking to reinterpret their roles by understanding pictures of Rahu and ketu coupling with picking up threads from story of immortal Rahu expressed in vedic astrology. thanks, Pankaj sharmaPartha Sarathy <partvinu > wrote: Dear DavidThe term aspect or what we call in Sanskrit as Graha Dristhi is the"desire" of the planet to influence the matters of a house,.As per the Puranas(mythology) Rahu was the asuric demon who wanted ashare of nectar of immortality and was desirous of obtaining the same.His head was cut off with the timely intervention of sun and moon whocomplained to the all pervading Vishnu about the stealth. The headsince then has come to be known as Rahu and the body as Ketu,.Now since Rahu had already drunk a small drop of nectar, the headcould not die, and hence is always alive and immortal with desires.Thus rahu in us Represents the desire for a body(material), whereasKetu represents the yearning for head full of knowledge. Note thatketu doesnot have a desire to get moksha, but a pursuit for theliberation.Thus Rahu does have aspect and a very powrful aspect. He has the Papadrishti to all that is good(jupiter). As we are aware Jupiter hasthree aspects 5,9,and the normal 7th aspect. Similary Rahu does havean aspect to bring all that we had done in past. Rahu represents theSins of the past, whereas ketu the mistakes.Rahu also aspects 12th from its own place as it is the reason for rebirth.Ketu cannot have a dristhi, as it doesnot have a desire. Graha Dristhiis the desire to infleunce the matters of the particular house.That is why the Raja Yogas formed by mutual aspect (Desire to be aking) of lagna and fifth lord are more powerful than mere rasidrishti.best wishesparthaOn Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:12:37 -0800 (PST), David Andrews<andrews635 > wrote:> Dear Imranji,> Thank you for your well researched write up on Rahu/Ketu rulership. You> state that Rahu aspects other planets whilst Ketu does not.> Pandit Gopesh Kumar Ojha at page 74 of his book on Predictive Astrology of> the Hindus states, "Rahu and Ketu do not aspect nor are they aspected. But> suppose Rahu or Ketu is in a particular sign and that sign is aspected by> Jupiter; then due to the quality of the sign being beneficially improved due> to Jupiter's aspect, the quality of Rahu or Ketu is also automatically> improved and we say that Rahu or Ketu is aspected by a benefic. But > strictly speaking Rahu and Ketu are affected by conjunction of benefics or> malefics and do not come in the realm of aspects."> I respectfully invite you, Gurus and learned members to throw some light on> this, as the problem of aspects so far as Rahu and Ketu are concerned have> not been put to rest.> Looking forward to hearing from everyone of you.> Thank you.> > David> > > Muhammad Imran <astroimran > wrote:> > Friends,> > The rulership of lunar nodes (Rahu & Ketu) is, one of> the most controversial issue among astrologers as> Jyotish classics themselves differ over sign ownership> of Rahu/Ketu. Since they are not physical bodies but> intersecting points on heaven therefore they are not> exclusively lord any sign and thus are given> additional rulership (co-lordship) over certain signs.> In characteristics, Rahu is akin to Saturn and Ketu to> Mars. Rahu aspects fully (100%) to 12th, 9th and 5th > antizodiacally (or say 2nd, 5th and 9th in regular> order), while Ketu is unable to cast aspect, because> in myths it is pictured as headless entity.> > Maharishi Jaimini teachings suggest the following> facts regarding Rahu/Ketu.> > Nodes Own Mooltrikona Exaltation Debilitation> -----------------> Rahu: Aqu Virgo Gemini Sagittarius> Ketu: Sco Pisces Sagittrius Gemini> -----------------> > In case of Aqu and Sco, Arudhas are erected by> comparing the relative strength of Sat-Rahu and> Mars-Ketu respectively. Whereas in general analysis> both lords/co-lords are considered for these lagans.> Besides these, the functional (benefic/malefic) status> of nodes are not like other planets. Even it hinges> upon their placement, association and strength of> dispositors. Therefore Rahu or its period may become> inauspicious even for Aquarius or Virgo lagnas, and> Ketu for Scorpio or Pisces on account of reason> mentioned above. Often Rahu/Ketu are considered well> in all dual signs and in uppachaya(3,6,10,11) houses.> Rahu/Ketu in quadrant, if solely associated with trine> lords, cause Raja yogas.> > > Sage Parashara viewed Rahu/Ketu more or less like> Jaimini; > > BPHS (47):34-39. > "..... The exaltation sign of Rahu is Taurus. The> exaltation sign of Ketu is Scorpio. The MoolaTrikonas> of Rahu and Ketu are Gemini and Sagittarius. The own> signs of Rahu and Ketu are Aquarius and Scorpio. Some> sages have expressed the view, that Virgo is the own> sign of Rahu, and Pisces is the own sign of Ketu..."> > Whereas, Varahamihira did not rank Rahu/Ketu> equivalent to conventional sapta-garahas. Apart from> it, there are some other views too, on the lordship> and exaltation/debilitation of Rahu/Ketu.> > Regards,> M.Imran> > > > > > > > > > --- prital_18 wrote:> > > > > > > Thank you, Nitinji. I was just asking cuz I did not> > know that rahu > > and ketu co-ruled those rasis (i'm still learning). > > > > > > So, then would rahu for Aqua lagnas and Ketu for> > Scorpio lagnas be > > considered benefic (since they are lagna lords)? > > And what about > > their aspects on other planets?> > > > Prital> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Nitin"> > > > wrote:> > > > > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||> > > > > > Dear Prital and List members, Namaskaar. > > > > > > In case I was unclear earlier, let me re-iterate> > that I consider> > > > > > Rahu to co-rule Aquarius. > > > Ketu to co-rule Scorpio. > > > > > > ...based on my learning thus far. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Nitin.> > > > > > || Namah Shivaaya ||> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... 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