Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Hi Sabri, Thanks for your response. Preparing for the future - "averting the danger not yet come" could be considered functional justifications of astrology. Sometimes I think astrologers must be very evolved souls because from their own charts they would know what are their strengths and weaknesses and what the future holds for them. So they must be living life of perfect awareness. But is that really so??? I don't mean disrespect to anybody. I just want to understand. There was a quote that I read here. It went something like this..."Let me have the strenght to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can....and the wisdom to know the difference between the two". Now if I hold this present moment to be all important and respond conciously according to the above quote would I need to know my future? Furthemore, can you really avert certain things which are pre-ordained? But if you are concious that you cannot change these things and have to accept and learn from them then do you really need to know about them beforehand through astrology? I don't know if I am making sense. Warm regards, Vinita Sabri <korua (AT) efes (DOT) net.tr> wrote: Hi Vinita, Namaste,This is the description of how an "enlightened" person lives his life in the higher states of consciousness. He does not regret the past, and he does not worry about the future, takes life as it is coming to him, and does whatever is correct to do as life unfolds before him.However this does not rule out planning for, or taking precautions about the future, that would not be "wise" to do. If the radio says that today there will be rain, the "wise" will take an umbrella along, not to get wet, which would not be wise.This is what Jyotish is about; foresee the future and take precautions, e.g. remedies."Heyam Duhkam Anaagatam", meaning; "Avert danger not yet come or Avert the danger which has not yet come", (Yoga Sutra 2.16)Jyotish was and is one of the main branches of Vedic Culture/Wisdom the purpose of which is to bring happiness to mankind, e.g. to show the way to live in happiness, abundance and fulfilment. Other branches mention about how to reach higher levels of consciousness for happiness. Also, it is not enough only to think about "how one should live life" e.g. not to worry about the past etc. These are intellectual guidelines, and are ofcourse very valid and needed, BUT, to live and actualy experience that, one needs to transcend daily reality, (thought, action etc.) the techniques and methodology of which is again to be found in the Vedic Literature, or learned from a Spiritual Guru.Best wishes, Sabri.vedic astrology, "vinita kumar" <shankar_mamta> wrote:> > Respected gurus,> > My guru says that we should live only in the present moment. > According to him the past is dead and the future is a hallucination. > We should live conciously in the present moment and respond in the > present moment from the core of our Being. We should not concern > ourselves with the past and the future.> > How should one reconcile this with astrology???> > VinitaArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... To visit your group on the web, go to:vedic astrology/ To from this group, send an email to:vedic astrology Your use of is subject to the ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Dear Vinita, May be you should ask your Guru about this. He may be saying something beyond mere words. Logically if past is dead and future is hallucination then what is the necessity to respond to present with the core of one's being , is something that needs to be thought over. So better ask him what he means by it, instead of taking verbatim meaning of what he is saying.. Chandrashekhar. vinita kumar wrote: Respected gurus, My guru says that we should live only in the present moment. According to him the past is dead and the future is a hallucination. We should live conciously in the present moment and respond in the present moment from the core of our Being. We should not concern ourselves with the past and the future. How should one reconcile this with astrology??? Vinita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Namasthe I would like to share some thoughts on your question. If I am not wrong you are hinting of the astrological implications of philosophy of life (live). This implies the day-to-day activities of a person, the attitude towards various issues and aspects of it. It is highly subjective when someone says that “Past is dead and future is a hallucination”. This may be true as far as people like Sanyasis, whose existence is practically on daily work basis (hand to mouth category), those who do not work at all, BUT to those who are active, successful in their respective field of activity, this statement will be considered as a sign of cowardice. As normal human beings mostly living in heterogeneous society with pangs, ambitions and hopes of life one has to live consciously and prudently every moment of life to make it lively for the self and others plan for the future as far as the resources and intelligence provides. Today is tomorrows past. Hence past is taken care of automatically. If you must reach Kerala from Madras, by train, tomorrow, you must get on it today. You cannot say I will think over it tomorrow. If your child has math exam tomorrow, you would have started preparing for it days back. If you are having taxable income one has to be prepared to pay the advance tax etc some time before the actual payment is done. Here you are preparing for he future. Hence it is very easy to understand past, present and future are highly co-related. This is the essence of astrology. If you lost money on a Bombay suburban train, you wont go to an astrologer and ask him how did I loose money. You know the answer. But there will be some sense if you ask, “will I get it back” or when. Six months back one of my friends asked me whether he could invest a huge sum in a company. This was due to the fact I had some knowledge about the field and the company. I gave him a negative answer (without astrology involved) and explained the various pros and cons & the dangers involved. He was not satisfied finally I suggested to get the advise of another astrologer. The astrologer also gave a negative answer. Surprisingly, the company now is in a grave situation and in the verge of closure. I dare not think of the consequences if he had invested in the business (25 lakhs). Here you can see the power of the knowledge about the future. The astrology can be helpful to find out what went wrong, what is to be done now and to secure a bright future. At times we find overruled by the powers that are unknown. My brother-in-law had written C.A.exams. I told him he wont pass the exam this time. Actually a hard working and very intelligent person, he got very angry and even ridiculed me (that I was not the person who is correcting his papers). But in reality he passed only the second time with extremely high marks. Understanding of the past, present and future definitely improves our chances of survival in the complicated process what is called life. In a native chart, learned rishis have provided many methods like drishyarda/adrishyarda portions, dasa calculations, transitional checking, ashtaka varga etc. In Horary apart from the above, Aruda Lagna, Chatra Lagna, and Udaya Lagna are considered to know the past, present and the future. The experienced astrologers can narrate innumerable stories of incidences where they were instrumental is helping others to find solutions even in highly technical fields like medicine. But it is rarely that people go back and give at least a word of thanks these days. I hope I have not bored you with a lengthy jargon. May Lord bless you Suresh --- vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: > Hi Sabri, > > Thanks for your response. > Preparing for the future - "averting the danger not > yet come" could be considered functional > justifications of astrology. Sometimes I think > astrologers must be very evolved souls because from > their own charts they would know what are their > strengths and weaknesses and what the future holds > for them. So they must be living life of perfect > awareness. > > But is that really so??? > > I don't mean disrespect to anybody. I just want to > understand. > > There was a quote that I read here. It went > something like this..."Let me have the strenght to > accept what I cannot change, the courage to change > what I can....and the wisdom to know the difference > between the two". > > Now if I hold this present moment to be all > important and respond conciously according to the > above quote would I need to know my future? > > Furthemore, can you really avert certain things > which are pre-ordained? But if you are concious that > you cannot change these things and have to accept > and learn from them then do you really need to know > about them beforehand through astrology? > > I don't know if I am making sense. > > Warm regards, > > Vinita > > > Sabri <korua wrote: > > Hi Vinita, Namaste, > This is the description of how an "enlightened" > person lives his > life in the higher states of consciousness. He does > not regret the > past, and he does not worry about the future, takes > life as it is > coming to him, and does whatever is correct to do as > life unfolds > before him. > However this does not rule out planning for, or > taking precautions > about the future, that would not be "wise" to do. If > the radio says > that today there will be rain, the "wise" will take > an umbrella > along, not to get wet, which would not be wise. > This is what Jyotish is about; foresee the future > and take > precautions, e.g. remedies. > > "Heyam Duhkam Anaagatam", meaning; "Avert danger not > yet come or > Avert the danger which has not yet come", (Yoga > Sutra 2.16) > > Jyotish was and is one of the main branches of Vedic > Culture/Wisdom > the purpose of which is to bring happiness to > mankind, e.g. to show > the way to live in happiness, abundance and > fulfilment. Other > branches mention about how to reach higher levels of > consciousness > for happiness. Also, it is not enough only to think > about "how one > should live life" e.g. not to worry about the past > etc. These are > intellectual guidelines, and are ofcourse very valid > and needed, > BUT, to live and actualy experience that, one needs > to transcend > daily reality, (thought, action etc.) the techniques > and methodology > of which is again to be found in the Vedic > Literature, or learned > from a Spiritual Guru. > > Best wishes, Sabri. > > vedic astrology, "vinita > kumar" > <shankar_mamta> wrote: > > > > Respected gurus, > > > > My guru says that we should live only in the > present moment. > > According to him the past is dead and the future > is a > hallucination. > > We should live conciously in the present moment > and respond in the > > present moment from the core of our Being. We > should not concern > > ourselves with the past and the future. > > > > How should one reconcile this with astrology??? > > > > Vinita > > > > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > || > > > > > Links > > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even > more fun! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 This is what My guru told me, Everysecond of this mahakala is a wonder, trillions of cells are getting created/destroyed/preserved. Millions of stars are getting created/destroyed. Similarly in our own body there is a million activity. Everything is infinite this moment. we can realize " the presence of god" only if we live in the present moment. God is present this moment. Every moment there is God/life/energy. I.e why present is called "PRESENT" - A gift . Luv Sridhar --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > Dear Vinita, > May be you should ask your Guru about this. He may > be saying something > beyond mere words. Logically if past is dead and > future is hallucination > then what is the necessity to respond to present > with the core of one's > being , is something that needs to be thought over. > So better ask him what he means by it, instead of > taking verbatim > meaning of what he is saying.. > Chandrashekhar. > > vinita kumar wrote: > > > > > Respected gurus, > > > > My guru says that we should live only in the > present moment. > > According to him the past is dead and the future > is a hallucination. > > We should live conciously in the present moment > and respond in the > > present moment from the core of our Being. We > should not concern > > ourselves with the past and the future. > > > > How should one reconcile this with astrology??? > > > > Vinita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > > > click here > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129qm3j75/M=298184.5639630.6699735.3001176/D=groups\ /S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1105254192/A=2495202/R=0/SIG=11evjk50a/*http://www.netflix.\ com/Default?mqso=60188913> > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > * Links* > > > > * > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > * To from this group, send an > email to: > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology?subject=Un> > > > > * Your use of is subject to the > Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Since there is no way I can pose your question to my guru right away - I thought about his words once again in the light of what you said. Could obtaining a disconnect between the present moment and what has happened in the past and what may happen in the future the true way of a Karma Yogi??? Warm regards, VinitaChandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Vinita,May be you should ask your Guru about this. He may be saying something beyond mere words. Logically if past is dead and future is hallucination then what is the necessity to respond to present with the core of one's being , is something that needs to be thought over. So better ask him what he means by it, instead of taking verbatim meaning of what he is saying..Chandrashekhar.vinita kumar wrote: Respected gurus,My guru says that we should live only in the present moment. According to him the past is dead and the future is a hallucination. We should live conciously in the present moment and respond in the present moment from the core of our Being. We should not concern ourselves with the past and the future.How should one reconcile this with astrology???VinitaArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Dear Vinita, Yes. It is said that a true Yogi is one who knowing what is to happen or has happened, is unaffected by it. Chandrashekhar. vinita kumar wrote: Respected Chandrashekharji, Since there is no way I can pose your question to my guru right away - I thought about his words once again in the light of what you said. Could obtaining a disconnect between the present moment and what has happened in the past and what may happen in the future the true way of a Karma Yogi??? Warm regards, Vinita Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Vinita, May be you should ask your Guru about this. He may be saying something beyond mere words. Logically if past is dead and future is hallucination then what is the necessity to respond to present with the core of one's being , is something that needs to be thought over. So better ask him what he means by it, instead of taking verbatim meaning of what he is saying.. Chandrashekhar. vinita kumar wrote: Respected gurus, My guru says that we should live only in the present moment. According to him the past is dead and the future is a hallucination. We should live conciously in the present moment and respond in the present moment from the core of our Being. We should not concern ourselves with the past and the future. How should one reconcile this with astrology??? Vinita ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Dear Vinitaji and respacted gurus In my thoughts past can not be dead it always help u to make ur present alive. One can only focus on his present by learning from past or keeping his past in the mind. I hav heard your future will be the outcome of the present and ur present is outcome of the past. We should be very concerned abt our future then only the result (outcome) of the present will be the meaningfull. I hav read in this corum only that placement of the planets in one 's horoscope is always depend on the his past karma then i think past can not be died. Pls. ignore me our try to correct me if any respacted guru or list member feels me wrong. Pankaj vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46> wrote: > Dear Vinita, > May be you should ask your Guru about this. He may be saying something > beyond mere words. Logically if past is dead and future is hallucination > then what is the necessity to respond to present with the core of one's > being , is something that needs to be thought over. > So better ask him what he means by it, instead of taking verbatim > meaning of what he is saying.. > Chandrashekhar. > > vinita kumar wrote: > > > > > Respected gurus, > > > > My guru says that we should live only in the present moment. > > According to him the past is dead and the future is a hallucination. > > We should live conciously in the present moment and respond in the > > present moment from the core of our Being. We should not concern > > ourselves with the past and the future. > > > > How should one reconcile this with astrology??? > > > > Vinita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > > > click here > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129qm3j75/M=298184.5639630.6699735.300117 6/D=groups/S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1105254192/A=2495202/R=0/SIG=11evjk50a/ *http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60188913> > > > > > > > > ------ > > * Links* > > > > * > > vedic astrology/ > > > > * > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology? subject=Un> > > > > * Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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