Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 Namaste friends, I was on a one week vacation in the southwest USA and just came back. I was sorry to know of the disaster in south and southeast Asia. I hope 2005 will be a better year for the world. Happy new year to all of you. While I was away, one respected friend asked me if it wasn't a sin to distribute astrological knowledge on the web. We Hindus believe that apaatra daanam (donation to an unworthy person) is a sin. I too thought of this in the past. In fact, this particular issue tormented me for a long time. However, my guru Pt Sanjay Rath convinced me that free sharing of knowledge without such concerns is the need of the hour. In my early days, I was interested in name and fame and was engaging in discussions with the rajasik/tamasik goal of making name for myself. There was some ego. I certainly accumulated some sin as I distributed my limited understanding of some advanced knowledge in those days. But, I am less and less interested in name or fame these days. I am more and more interested in sharing the knowledge so that it doesn't get lost and gets advanced. Won't I be silly to think that what I understood and digested is mine? The knowledge has been there for ever and will be there for ever. It is not mine. I am just performing my duty by sharing the knowledge, so that knowledge advances (when and if the time has come for it to happen). When the goal is saattwik and has little or no rajas/tamas in it, I understand that there is no sin. When my goal is saattwik, I am confident that Lord Vishnu will ensure that the knowledge does not fall in the hands of apaatras (unworthy people). I write so much on the lists on some really advanced topics. But how many people pay close attention? How many people understand it fully? How many people get to use the knowledge? It is my firm belief that the purity of my purpose ensures that wrong people will not be able to benefit from my writings. If wrong people are benefitting from my knowledge, it means that my attitude has an impurity in it. Even if I don't share the knowledge on the web and impart it personally in a small room, it can end up reaching wrong people if my attitude has an impurity in it. Basically, Lord Vishnu lives in our purpose/goal as its purity (i.e. sattwa guna). Whether we share knowledge openly on the web or in a private room is not the big issue in my judgment. Whether the Vishnu within us is strong or not and whether our goal is saattwik or not is the big issue. If that is taken care of, I sincerely believe that everything else falls in place by itself. If it is not taken care of, no other steps will save us. Other steps are only superficial in nature. I genuinely believe that Jyotish as we know it today is quite imperfect. I genuinely believe that time has come for a renaissance in Jyotish. I genuinely believe that I can play however minute a role in that long process, by sharing my limited knowledge with others as I am doing now. Having said that, I must add that I am ready for any punishment if I am wrong and am indeed sinning. Thanks to the friend who voiced this concern! Other people may have different views and I do respect them for their views. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha -------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Dear Shri Rao, Very well said. I applaud your thinking. There is one more reason apart from the sattvicta attached to the giver of the knowledge. This is our age old concept of closed thinking which has restricted Vedic knowledge amongst very few Hindus. Hindu religion despite its rich culture did not travel around the world because of the trait of restricted knowledge sharing. We have to come out of this shell attitude. Pran Razdan --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote: > Namaste friends, > > I was on a one week vacation in the southwest USA and just came back. > I was sorry to know of the disaster in south and southeast Asia. I > hope 2005 will be a better year for the world. Happy new year to all > of you. > > While I was away, one respected friend asked me if it wasn't a sin to > distribute astrological knowledge on the web. We Hindus believe that > apaatra daanam (donation to an unworthy person) is a sin. > > I too thought of this in the past. In fact, this particular issue > tormented me for a long time. However, my guru Pt Sanjay Rath > convinced me that free sharing of knowledge without such concerns is > the need of the hour. > > In my early days, I was interested in name and fame and was engaging > in discussions with the rajasik/tamasik goal of making name for > myself. There was some ego. I certainly accumulated some sin as I > distributed my limited understanding of some advanced knowledge in > those days. > > But, I am less and less interested in name or fame these days. I am > more and more interested in sharing the knowledge so that it doesn't > get lost and gets advanced. Won't I be silly to think that what I > understood and digested is mine? The knowledge has been there for > ever and will be there for ever. It is not mine. I am just performing > my duty by sharing the knowledge, so that knowledge advances (when > and if the time has come for it to happen). > > When the goal is saattwik and has little or no rajas/tamas in it, I > understand that there is no sin. When my goal is saattwik, I am > confident that Lord Vishnu will ensure that the knowledge does not > fall in the hands of apaatras (unworthy people). I write so much on > the lists on some really advanced topics. But how many people pay > close attention? How many people understand it fully? How many people > get to use the knowledge? It is my firm belief that the purity of my > purpose ensures that wrong people will not be able to benefit from my > writings. If wrong people are benefitting from my knowledge, it means > that my attitude has an impurity in it. Even if I don't share the > knowledge on the web and impart it personally in a small room, it can > end up reaching wrong people if my attitude has an impurity in it. > > Basically, Lord Vishnu lives in our purpose/goal as its purity (i.e. > sattwa guna). Whether we share knowledge openly on the web or in a > private room is not the big issue in my judgment. Whether the Vishnu > within us is strong or not and whether our goal is saattwik or not is > the big issue. If that is taken care of, I sincerely believe that > everything else falls in place by itself. If it is not taken care of, > no other steps will save us. Other steps are only superficial in > nature. > > I genuinely believe that Jyotish as we know it today is quite > imperfect. I genuinely believe that time has come for a renaissance > in Jyotish. I genuinely believe that I can play however minute a role > in that long process, by sharing my limited knowledge with others as > I am doing now. > > Having said that, I must add that I am ready for any punishment if I > am wrong and am indeed sinning. Thanks to the friend who voiced this > concern! > > Other people may have different views and I do respect them for their > views. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > ------------------------------- > Meet the all-new My - Try it today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 This is an interesting thread of conversation. The original idea of ¡Èapatre danam¡É was probably not meant to restrict knowledge to a limited people. It was designed to avoid damage to the human society. For example, think about giving nuclear technology knowledge to a mindless person. It was therefore important for a Guru to understand the level of purity of his student because knowledge can be used for both constructive and destructive purposes. However, certain types of knowledge are so pure that those can be distributed freely: bhakti marg is one of them. Several spiritual gurus (Budha, Chaitanya, Christ, Guru Govind¡Ä) have been so successful in distributing this knowledge freely in the society. In the present situation of the world, we need another such a guru for spiritual awakening of the human society. I also have some remarks on another thread in which it was discussed how a Joytish can be attached to Karma of a subject. If that is true, then all discoverers, most scientists, doctors and engineers would also get attached to the karma of the human kind. Because those are the people who unravel the mystery of the nature and open the hidden laws of nature for the benefit of the society. The progress and sometimes even the very existence of nature and society were dependent on those discoveries. Could the karma cycle penalize those discoverers then? Swadhin vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > Namaste friends, > > I was on a one week vacation in the southwest USA and just came back. I was sorry to know of the disaster in south and southeast Asia. I hope 2005 will be a better year for the world. Happy new year to all of you. > > While I was away, one respected friend asked me if it wasn't a sin to distribute astrological knowledge on the web. We Hindus believe that apaatra daanam (donation to an unworthy person) is a sin. > > I too thought of this in the past. In fact, this particular issue tormented me for a long time. However, my guru Pt Sanjay Rath convinced me that free sharing of knowledge without such concerns is the need of the hour. > > In my early days, I was interested in name and fame and was engaging in discussions with the rajasik/tamasik goal of making name for myself. There was some ego. I certainly accumulated some sin as I distributed my limited understanding of some advanced knowledge in those days. > > But, I am less and less interested in name or fame these days. I am more and more interested in sharing the knowledge so that it doesn't get lost and gets advanced. Won't I be silly to think that what I understood and digested is mine? The knowledge has been there for ever and will be there for ever. It is not mine. I am just performing my duty by sharing the knowledge, so that knowledge advances (when and if the time has come for it to happen). > > When the goal is saattwik and has little or no rajas/tamas in it, I understand that there is no sin. When my goal is saattwik, I am confident that Lord Vishnu will ensure that the knowledge does not fall in the hands of apaatras (unworthy people). I write so much on the lists on some really advanced topics. But how many people pay close attention? How many people understand it fully? How many people get to use the knowledge? It is my firm belief that the purity of my purpose ensures that wrong people will not be able to benefit from my writings. If wrong people are benefitting from my knowledge, it means that my attitude has an impurity in it. Even if I don't share the knowledge on the web and impart it personally in a small room, it can end up reaching wrong people if my attitude has an impurity in it. > > Basically, Lord Vishnu lives in our purpose/goal as its purity (i.e. sattwa guna). Whether we share knowledge openly on the web or in a private room is not the big issue in my judgment. Whether the Vishnu within us is strong or not and whether our goal is saattwik or not is the big issue. If that is taken care of, I sincerely believe that everything else falls in place by itself. If it is not taken care of, no other steps will save us. Other steps are only superficial in nature. > > I genuinely believe that Jyotish as we know it today is quite imperfect. I genuinely believe that time has come for a renaissance in Jyotish. I genuinely believe that I can play however minute a role in that long process, by sharing my limited knowledge with others as I am doing now. > > Having said that, I must add that I am ready for any punishment if I am wrong and am indeed sinning. Thanks to the friend who voiced this concern! > > Other people may have different views and I do respect them for their views. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Devika."Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste friends, I was on a one week vacation in the southwest USA and just came back. I was sorry to know of the disaster in south and southeast Asia. I hope 2005 will be a better year for the world. Happy new year to all of you. While I was away, one respected friend asked me if it wasn't a sin to distribute astrological knowledge on the web. We Hindus believe that apaatra daanam (donation to an unworthy person) is a sin. I too thought of this in the past. In fact, this particular issue tormented me for a long time. However, my guru Pt Sanjay Rath convinced me that free sharing of knowledge without such concerns is the need of the hour. In my early days, I was interested in name and fame and was engaging in discussions with the rajasik/tamasik goal of making name for myself. There was some ego. I certainly accumulated some sin as I distributed my limited understanding of some advanced knowledge in those days. But, I am less and less interested in name or fame these days. I am more and more interested in sharing the knowledge so that it doesn't get lost and gets advanced. Won't I be silly to think that what I understood and digested is mine? The knowledge has been there for ever and will be there for ever. It is not mine. I am just performing my duty by sharing the knowledge, so that knowledge advances (when and if the time has come for it to happen). When the goal is saattwik and has little or no rajas/tamas in it, I understand that there is no sin. When my goal is saattwik, I am confident that Lord Vishnu will ensure that the knowledge does not fall in the hands of apaatras (unworthy people). I write so much on the lists on some really advanced topics. But how many people pay close attention? How many people understand it fully? How many people get to use the knowledge? It is my firm belief that the purity of my purpose ensures that wrong people will not be able to benefit from my writings. If wrong people are benefitting from my knowledge, it means that my attitude has an impurity in it. Even if I don't share the knowledge on the web and impart it personally in a small room, it can end up reaching wrong people if my attitude has an impurity in it. Basically, Lord Vishnu lives in our purpose/goal as its purity (i.e. sattwa guna). Whether we share knowledge openly on the web or in a private room is not the big issue in my judgment. Whether the Vishnu within us is strong or not and whether our goal is saattwik or not is the big issue. If that is taken care of, I sincerely believe that everything else falls in place by itself. If it is not taken care of, no other steps will save us. Other steps are only superficial in nature. I genuinely believe that Jyotish as we know it today is quite imperfect. I genuinely believe that time has come for a renaissance in Jyotish. I genuinely believe that I can play however minute a role in that long process, by sharing my limited knowledge with others as I am doing now. Having said that, I must add that I am ready for any punishment if I am wrong and am indeed sinning. Thanks to the friend who voiced this concern! Other people may have different views and I do respect them for their views. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha -------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org------------------------------- Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Namaste Madam, If one knows a good technique (e.g. Tithi Pravesha), one can make some really good predictions and win the confidence of people. Then one can use that to milk money out of them. For example, one can scare clients after impressing them and say that a particular yajna must be performed to save them from an impending disaster. There are people who scare clients and say that a particular remedy must be done. For example, a young girl I know went to an astrologer in India and he said she must perform a particular homam and said that it must only be performed by a particular priest that the astrologer had a tie-up with. When the girl's father, who is a good priest himself, said he could do it himself, the astrologer scared them saying it will not work and it should be done only by the local priest he recommended. There are people who use scare tactics to make money. If genuine astrological knowledge falls in the hands of such people, they can impress people with correct readings and their scare tactics will work better. To teach advanced knowledge to such people would certainly be wrong. However, as I said below, I feel that the purity of one's purpose and attitude will save one from committing sins. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha - Devika Dhillon Narasimha P.V.R. Rao ; Cc: vedic astrology Monday, January 03, 2005 3:35 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Apaatra Daanam and Jyotish on Web What is the definition of "wrong people/unworthy people", when it comes to Astrology? How can someone use Astrological knowledge in a wrong way? I think everyone is worthy to have this great knowledge. Devika."Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste friends, I was on a one week vacation in the southwest USA and just came back. I was sorry to know of the disaster in south and southeast Asia. I hope 2005 will be a better year for the world. Happy new year to all of you. While I was away, one respected friend asked me if it wasn't a sin to distribute astrological knowledge on the web. We Hindus believe that apaatra daanam (donation to an unworthy person) is a sin. I too thought of this in the past. In fact, this particular issue tormented me for a long time. However, my guru Pt Sanjay Rath convinced me that free sharing of knowledge without such concerns is the need of the hour. In my early days, I was interested in name and fame and was engaging in discussions with the rajasik/tamasik goal of making name for myself. There was some ego. I certainly accumulated some sin as I distributed my limited understanding of some advanced knowledge in those days. But, I am less and less interested in name or fame these days. I am more and more interested in sharing the knowledge so that it doesn't get lost and gets advanced. Won't I be silly to think that what I understood and digested is mine? The knowledge has been there for ever and will be there for ever. It is not mine. I am just performing my duty by sharing the knowledge, so that knowledge advances (when and if the time has come for it to happen). When the goal is saattwik and has little or no rajas/tamas in it, I understand that there is no sin. When my goal is saattwik, I am confident that Lord Vishnu will ensure that the knowledge does not fall in the hands of apaatras (unworthy people). I write so much on the lists on some really advanced topics. But how many people pay close attention? How many people understand it fully? How many people get to use the knowledge? It is my firm belief that the purity of my purpose ensures that wrong people will not be able to benefit from my writings. If wrong people are benefitting from my knowledge, it means that my attitude has an impurity in it. Even if I don't share the knowledge on the web and impart it personally in a small room, it can end up reaching wrong people if my attitude has an impurity in it. Basically, Lord Vishnu lives in our purpose/goal as its purity (i.e. sattwa guna). Whether we share knowledge openly on the web or in a private room is not the big issue in my judgment. Whether the Vishnu within us is strong or not and whether our goal is saattwik or not is the big issue. If that is taken care of, I sincerely believe that everything else falls in place by itself. If it is not taken care of, no other steps will save us. Other steps are only superficial in nature. I genuinely believe that Jyotish as we know it today is quite imperfect. I genuinely believe that time has come for a renaissance in Jyotish. I genuinely believe that I can play however minute a role in that long process, by sharing my limited knowledge with others as I am doing now. Having said that, I must add that I am ready for any punishment if I am wrong and am indeed sinning. Thanks to the friend who voiced this concern! Other people may have different views and I do respect them for their views. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha -------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 I agree with Narasimhaji. We should note that our society is heterogeneous. There are brave people who script their own success but there are also faint hearted people (like me, I guess) who succumb to even small provocation. And in some such weak points a selfish pandit can misguide a weak person. There are numerous examples when a rich and bright bride is married to an unworthy bridegroom simply because the pandit who checked the kundali of the bride was already bribed by the bridegroom. For a few hundred rupees the so called pandits spoil the life of bright young ladies. It could be also in vice versa. We also read hundreds of news articles describing how people are cheated by so called babas and sadhus who win the heart of simpletons by narrating even some half truths from their limited knowledge of palmistry and astrology. Swadhin > > If one knows a good technique (e.g. Tithi Pravesha), one can make some really good predictions and win the confidence of people. Then one can use that to milk money out of them. For example, one can scare clients after impressing them and say that a particular yajna must be performed to save them from an impending disaster. > > There are people who scare clients and say that a particular remedy must be done. For example, a young girl I know went to an astrologer in India and he said she must perform a particular homam and said that it must only be performed by a particular priest that the astrologer had a tie-up with. When the girl's father, who is a good priest himself, said he could do it himself, the astrologer scared them saying it will not work and it should be done only by the local priest he recommended. > > There are people who use scare tactics to make money. If genuine astrological knowledge falls in the hands of such people, they can impress people with correct readings and their scare tactics will work better. > > To teach advanced knowledge to such people would certainly be wrong. > > However, as I said below, I feel that the purity of one's purpose and attitude will save one from committing sins. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > - > Devika Dhillon > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao ; > Cc: vedic astrology > Monday, January 03, 2005 3:35 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Apaatra Daanam and Jyotish on Web > > > What is the definition of "wrong people/unworthy people", when it comes to Astrology? How can someone use Astrological knowledge in a wrong way? I think everyone is worthy to have this great knowledge. > > Devika. > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > Namaste friends, > > I was on a one week vacation in the southwest USA and just came back. I was sorry to know of the disaster in south and southeast Asia. I hope 2005 will be a better year for the world. Happy new year to all of you. > > While I was away, one respected friend asked me if it wasn't a sin to distribute astrological knowledge on the web. We Hindus believe that apaatra daanam (donation to an unworthy person) is a sin. > > I too thought of this in the past. In fact, this particular issue tormented me for a long time. However, my guru Pt Sanjay Rath convinced me that free sharing of knowledge without such concerns is the need of the hour. > > In my early days, I was interested in name and fame and was engaging in discussions with the rajasik/tamasik goal of making name for myself. There was some ego. I certainly accumulated some sin as I distributed my limited understanding of some advanced knowledge in those days. > > But, I am less and less interested in name or fame these days. I am more and more interested in sharing the knowledge so that it doesn't get lost and gets advanced. Won't I be silly to think that what I understood and digested is mine? The knowledge has been there for ever and will be there for ever. It is not mine. I am just performing my duty by sharing the knowledge, so that knowledge advances (when and if the time has come for it to happen). > > When the goal is saattwik and has little or no rajas/tamas in it, I understand that there is no sin. When my goal is saattwik, I am confident that Lord Vishnu will ensure that the knowledge does not fall in the hands of apaatras (unworthy people). I write so much on the lists on some really advanced topics. But how many people pay close attention? How many people understand it fully? How many people get to use the knowledge? It is my firm belief that the purity of my purpose ensures that wrong people will not be able to benefit from my writings. If wrong people are benefitting from my knowledge, it means that my attitude has an impurity in it. Even if I don't share the knowledge on the web and impart it personally in a small room, it can end up reaching wrong people if my attitude has an impurity in it. > > Basically, Lord Vishnu lives in our purpose/goal as its purity (i.e. sattwa guna). Whether we share knowledge openly on the web or in a private room is not the big issue in my judgment. Whether the Vishnu within us is strong or not and whether our goal is saattwik or not is the big issue. If that is taken care of, I sincerely believe that everything else falls in place by itself. If it is not taken care of, no other steps will save us. Other steps are only superficial in nature. > > I genuinely believe that Jyotish as we know it today is quite imperfect. I genuinely believe that time has come for a renaissance in Jyotish. I genuinely believe that I can play however minute a role in that long process, by sharing my limited knowledge with others as I am doing now. > > Having said that, I must add that I am ready for any punishment if I am wrong and am indeed sinning. Thanks to the friend who voiced this concern! > > Other people may have different views and I do respect them for their views. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------ - > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > ------------------------------ - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Dear list Apatra danam is a construct of Mind. There is no such thing as apatra danam. There is no such thing as moral right of giving. If a soul has to get something from another soul, he shall get it. The labelling of such giving can be a great danam, or a foolish danam, or apatra danam etc is meaningless. What we percieve in a simple act of giving can wary from person to person. To each his own. If a person is weak then that is his or her problem. If a person gets cheated, the first person to be blamed is he himself. Is it the fault of the sun if people in Arctic circle dont get sunlight. Based upon the karma and the path a person chooses, he goes to people who cheat (him). If the person has to meet a genuine astrologer , he shall meet, nobody can stop that. All is the part and parcel of evolution. All the time we blame the external environment for what happens to us. The world is nothing but a mirror of our own self(Arudha) and thus whatever we see, percieve and recieve is nothing but a reflection of our own self. There are no simpletons. There is no cheat and none to be cheated. There is no teacher and none to be taught. All is the game of the universe. best wishes partha On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 04:21:08 -0000, Swadhin <beherajapan wrote: > > > I agree with Narasimhaji. We should note that our society is > heterogeneous. There are brave people who script their own success > but there are also faint hearted people (like me, I guess) who > succumb to even small provocation. And in some such weak points a > selfish pandit can misguide a weak person. There are numerous > examples when a rich and bright bride is married to an unworthy > bridegroom simply because the pandit who checked the kundali of the > bride was already bribed by the bridegroom. For a few hundred rupees > the so called pandits spoil the life of bright young ladies. It > could be also in vice versa. We also read hundreds of news articles > describing how people are cheated by so called babas and sadhus who > win the heart of simpletons by narrating even some half truths from > their limited knowledge of palmistry and astrology. > > Swadhin > > > > If one knows a good technique (e.g. Tithi Pravesha), one can make > some really good predictions and win the confidence of people. Then > one can use that to milk money out of them. For example, one can > scare clients after impressing them and say that a particular yajna > must be performed to save them from an impending disaster. > > > > There are people who scare clients and say that a particular > remedy must be done. For example, a young girl I know went to an > astrologer in India and he said she must perform a particular homam > and said that it must only be performed by a particular priest that > the astrologer had a tie-up with. When the girl's father, who is a > good priest himself, said he could do it himself, the astrologer > scared them saying it will not work and it should be done only by > the local priest he recommended. > > > > There are people who use scare tactics to make money. If genuine > astrological knowledge falls in the hands of such people, they can > impress people with correct readings and their scare tactics will > work better. > > > > To teach advanced knowledge to such people would certainly be > wrong. > > > > However, as I said below, I feel that the purity of one's purpose > and attitude will save one from committing sins. > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha > > - > > Devika Dhillon > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao ; > > Cc: vedic astrology > > Monday, January 03, 2005 3:35 PM > > Re: [vedic astrology] Apaatra Daanam and Jyotish on Web > > > > > > What is the definition of "wrong people/unworthy people", when > it comes to Astrology? How can someone use Astrological knowledge in > a wrong way? I think everyone is worthy to have this great knowledge. > > > > Devika. > > > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > > > I was on a one week vacation in the southwest USA and just > came back. I was sorry to know of the disaster in south and > southeast Asia. I hope 2005 will be a better year for the world. > Happy new year to all of you. > > > > While I was away, one respected friend asked me if it wasn't a > sin to distribute astrological knowledge on the web. We Hindus > believe that apaatra daanam (donation to an unworthy person) is a > sin. > > > > I too thought of this in the past. In fact, this particular > issue tormented me for a long time. However, my guru Pt Sanjay Rath > convinced me that free sharing of knowledge without such concerns is > the need of the hour. > > > > In my early days, I was interested in name and fame and was > engaging in discussions with the rajasik/tamasik goal of making name > for myself. There was some ego. I certainly accumulated some sin as > I distributed my limited understanding of some advanced knowledge in > those days. > > > > But, I am less and less interested in name or fame these days. > I am more and more interested in sharing the knowledge so that it > doesn't get lost and gets advanced. Won't I be silly to think that > what I understood and digested is mine? The knowledge has been there > for ever and will be there for ever. It is not mine. I am just > performing my duty by sharing the knowledge, so that knowledge > advances (when and if the time has come for it to happen). > > > > When the goal is saattwik and has little or no rajas/tamas in > it, I understand that there is no sin. When my goal is saattwik, I > am confident that Lord Vishnu will ensure that the knowledge does > not fall in the hands of apaatras (unworthy people). I write so much > on the lists on some really advanced topics. But how many people pay > close attention? How many people understand it fully? How many > people get to use the knowledge? It is my firm belief that the > purity of my purpose ensures that wrong people will not be able to > benefit from my writings. If wrong people are benefitting from my > knowledge, it means that my attitude has an impurity in it. Even if > I don't share the knowledge on the web and impart it personally in a > small room, it can end up reaching wrong people if my attitude has > an impurity in it. > > > > Basically, Lord Vishnu lives in our purpose/goal as its purity > (i.e. sattwa guna). Whether we share knowledge openly on the web or > in a private room is not the big issue in my judgment. Whether the > Vishnu within us is strong or not and whether our goal is saattwik > or not is the big issue. If that is taken care of, I sincerely > believe that everything else falls in place by itself. If it is not > taken care of, no other steps will save us. Other steps are only > superficial in nature. > > > > I genuinely believe that Jyotish as we know it today is quite > imperfect. I genuinely believe that time has come for a renaissance > in Jyotish. I genuinely believe that I can play however minute a > role in that long process, by sharing my limited knowledge with > others as I am doing now. > > > > Having said that, I must add that I am ready for any > punishment if I am wrong and am indeed sinning. Thanks to the friend > who voiced this concern! > > > > Other people may have different views and I do respect them > for their views. > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------------ > - > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > ------------------------------ > - > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > -- V.Partha Sarathy, partvinu.tripod.com All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him. -----Buddha Plot.no.71 Road No.3 Nagarjuna Hills Hyderabad India-500 082 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Dear Narasimhaji Namaste To gain the confidence, atleast in India, the astrologer need not know good technique! People are ready to listen and follow you even if they know that you are an astrologer! Nagpur city is a den of Astrolgers. There are many who teach astrology and there are many who learn astrology in Nagpur city. So effect is that there are many people in Nagpur wearing all kinds of stones and following all kinds of remedies. Right from Lal kitab to Ayurvedic medicines priscribed by Astrolgers. Many in Nagpur have started kalsarpa pooja at their homes! Eralier astroloers used to asked people to visti Nashik but looking at 'demand' some have started conducting at their home only! Person who goes to astrologer does not want proof of astrologers credibility. He wants some remedy for his urgent problem. If one remedy fails he goes to another and in trial and error method some remedy works for him. The astrologer whose remedy works becomes hero for him. This is known to the astrologers as well. So knowledge going into wrong hands is a obsolete concept! It is imparted only by wrong hand to produce more wrong hands many people say like this! What is true for Nagpur is more-or-less true for all cities in India. A survy will reveal interesting facts! It is only at SJC some 'fools' worry about true knowledge and its effects! Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > Namaste Madam, > > If one knows a good technique (e.g. Tithi Pravesha), one can make some really good predictions and win the confidence of people. Then one can use that to milk money out of them. For example, one can scare clients after impressing them and say that a particular yajna must be performed to save them from an impending disaster. > > There are people who scare clients and say that a particular remedy must be done. For example, a young girl I know went to an astrologer in India and he said she must perform a particular homam and said that it must only be performed by a particular priest that the astrologer had a tie-up with. When the girl's father, who is a good priest himself, said he could do it himself, the astrologer scared them saying it will not work and it should be done only by the local priest he recommended. > > There are people who use scare tactics to make money. If genuine astrological knowledge falls in the hands of such people, they can impress people with correct readings and their scare tactics will work better. > > To teach advanced knowledge to such people would certainly be wrong. > > However, as I said below, I feel that the purity of one's purpose and attitude will save one from committing sins. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > - > Devika Dhillon > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao ; > Cc: vedic astrology > Monday, January 03, 2005 3:35 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Apaatra Daanam and Jyotish on Web > > > What is the definition of "wrong people/unworthy people", when it comes to Astrology? How can someone use Astrological knowledge in a wrong way? I think everyone is worthy to have this great knowledge. > > Devika. > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > Namaste friends, > > I was on a one week vacation in the southwest USA and just came back. I was sorry to know of the disaster in south and southeast Asia. I hope 2005 will be a better year for the world. Happy new year to all of you. > > While I was away, one respected friend asked me if it wasn't a sin to distribute astrological knowledge on the web. We Hindus believe that apaatra daanam (donation to an unworthy person) is a sin. > > I too thought of this in the past. In fact, this particular issue tormented me for a long time. However, my guru Pt Sanjay Rath convinced me that free sharing of knowledge without such concerns is the need of the hour. > > In my early days, I was interested in name and fame and was engaging in discussions with the rajasik/tamasik goal of making name for myself. There was some ego. I certainly accumulated some sin as I distributed my limited understanding of some advanced knowledge in those days. > > But, I am less and less interested in name or fame these days. I am more and more interested in sharing the knowledge so that it doesn't get lost and gets advanced. Won't I be silly to think that what I understood and digested is mine? The knowledge has been there for ever and will be there for ever. It is not mine. I am just performing my duty by sharing the knowledge, so that knowledge advances (when and if the time has come for it to happen). > > When the goal is saattwik and has little or no rajas/tamas in it, I understand that there is no sin. When my goal is saattwik, I am confident that Lord Vishnu will ensure that the knowledge does not fall in the hands of apaatras (unworthy people). I write so much on the lists on some really advanced topics. But how many people pay close attention? How many people understand it fully? How many people get to use the knowledge? It is my firm belief that the purity of my purpose ensures that wrong people will not be able to benefit from my writings. If wrong people are benefitting from my knowledge, it means that my attitude has an impurity in it. Even if I don't share the knowledge on the web and impart it personally in a small room, it can end up reaching wrong people if my attitude has an impurity in it. > > Basically, Lord Vishnu lives in our purpose/goal as its purity (i.e. sattwa guna). Whether we share knowledge openly on the web or in a private room is not the big issue in my judgment. Whether the Vishnu within us is strong or not and whether our goal is saattwik or not is the big issue. If that is taken care of, I sincerely believe that everything else falls in place by itself. If it is not taken care of, no other steps will save us. Other steps are only superficial in nature. > > I genuinely believe that Jyotish as we know it today is quite imperfect. I genuinely believe that time has come for a renaissance in Jyotish. I genuinely believe that I can play however minute a role in that long process, by sharing my limited knowledge with others as I am doing now. > > Having said that, I must add that I am ready for any punishment if I am wrong and am indeed sinning. Thanks to the friend who voiced this concern! > > Other people may have different views and I do respect them for their views. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 I think the meaning of danam is something different from sharing between two souls either voluntarily or forcibly. And I wish such a sharing does not happen between top notched techies and mindless killers. I also wish if we have an idealistic world where no one needs any education (including the spiritual seeking). Then certainly we will not need astrology forget about identifying a genuine astrologer. Hope we are approaching that world soon. Though I donft know if that world will have much charm to stay on. Swadhin > > Dear list > > Apatra danam is a construct of Mind. There is no such thing as apatra > danam. There is no such thing as moral right of giving. If a soul has > to get something from another soul, he shall get it. The labelling of > such giving can be a great danam, or a foolish danam, or apatra danam > etc is meaningless. What we percieve in a simple act of giving can > wary from person to person. To each his own. > If a person is weak then that is his or her problem. If a person gets > cheated, the first person to be blamed is he himself. Is it the fault > of the sun if people in Arctic circle dont get sunlight. Based upon > the karma and the path a person chooses, he goes to people who cheat > (him). If the person has to meet a genuine astrologer , he shall meet, > nobody can stop that. All is the part and parcel of evolution. > All the time we blame the external environment for what happens to us. > The world is nothing but a mirror of our own self(Arudha) and thus > whatever we see, percieve and recieve is nothing but a reflection of > our own self. There are no simpletons. There is no cheat and none to > be cheated. There is no teacher and none to be taught. All is the game > of the universe. > best wishes > partha > > > > On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 04:21:08 -0000, Swadhin <beherajapan> wrote: > > > > > > I agree with Narasimhaji. We should note that our society is > > heterogeneous. There are brave people who script their own success > > but there are also faint hearted people (like me, I guess) who > > succumb to even small provocation. And in some such weak points a > > selfish pandit can misguide a weak person. There are numerous > > examples when a rich and bright bride is married to an unworthy > > bridegroom simply because the pandit who checked the kundali of the > > bride was already bribed by the bridegroom. For a few hundred rupees > > the so called pandits spoil the life of bright young ladies. It > > could be also in vice versa. We also read hundreds of news articles > > describing how people are cheated by so called babas and sadhus who > > win the heart of simpletons by narrating even some half truths from > > their limited knowledge of palmistry and astrology. > > > > Swadhin > > > > > > If one knows a good technique (e.g. Tithi Pravesha), one can make > > some really good predictions and win the confidence of people. Then > > one can use that to milk money out of them. For example, one can > > scare clients after impressing them and say that a particular yajna > > must be performed to save them from an impending disaster. > > > > > > There are people who scare clients and say that a particular > > remedy must be done. For example, a young girl I know went to an > > astrologer in India and he said she must perform a particular homam > > and said that it must only be performed by a particular priest that > > the astrologer had a tie-up with. When the girl's father, who is a > > good priest himself, said he could do it himself, the astrologer > > scared them saying it will not work and it should be done only by > > the local priest he recommended. > > > > > > There are people who use scare tactics to make money. If genuine > > astrological knowledge falls in the hands of such people, they can > > impress people with correct readings and their scare tactics will > > work better. > > > > > > To teach advanced knowledge to such people would certainly be > > wrong. > > > > > > However, as I said below, I feel that the purity of one's purpose > > and attitude will save one from committing sins. > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha > > > - > > > Devika Dhillon > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao ; > > > Cc: vedic astrology > > > Monday, January 03, 2005 3:35 PM > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Apaatra Daanam and Jyotish on Web > > > > > > > > > What is the definition of "wrong people/unworthy people", when > > it comes to Astrology? How can someone use Astrological knowledge in > > a wrong way? I think everyone is worthy to have this great knowledge. > > > > > > Devika. > > > > > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > I was on a one week vacation in the southwest USA and just > > came back. I was sorry to know of the disaster in south and > > southeast Asia. I hope 2005 will be a better year for the world. > > Happy new year to all of you. > > > > > > While I was away, one respected friend asked me if it wasn't a > > sin to distribute astrological knowledge on the web. We Hindus > > believe that apaatra daanam (donation to an unworthy person) is a > > sin. > > > > > > I too thought of this in the past. In fact, this particular > > issue tormented me for a long time. However, my guru Pt Sanjay Rath > > convinced me that free sharing of knowledge without such concerns is > > the need of the hour. > > > > > > In my early days, I was interested in name and fame and was > > engaging in discussions with the rajasik/tamasik goal of making name > > for myself. There was some ego. I certainly accumulated some sin as > > I distributed my limited understanding of some advanced knowledge in > > those days. > > > > > > But, I am less and less interested in name or fame these days. > > I am more and more interested in sharing the knowledge so that it > > doesn't get lost and gets advanced. Won't I be silly to think that > > what I understood and digested is mine? The knowledge has been there > > for ever and will be there for ever. It is not mine. I am just > > performing my duty by sharing the knowledge, so that knowledge > > advances (when and if the time has come for it to happen). > > > > > > When the goal is saattwik and has little or no rajas/tamas in > > it, I understand that there is no sin. When my goal is saattwik, I > > am confident that Lord Vishnu will ensure that the knowledge does > > not fall in the hands of apaatras (unworthy people). I write so much > > on the lists on some really advanced topics. But how many people pay > > close attention? How many people understand it fully? How many > > people get to use the knowledge? It is my firm belief that the > > purity of my purpose ensures that wrong people will not be able to > > benefit from my writings. If wrong people are benefitting from my > > knowledge, it means that my attitude has an impurity in it. Even if > > I don't share the knowledge on the web and impart it personally in a > > small room, it can end up reaching wrong people if my attitude has > > an impurity in it. > > > > > > Basically, Lord Vishnu lives in our purpose/goal as its purity > > (i.e. sattwa guna). Whether we share knowledge openly on the web or > > in a private room is not the big issue in my judgment. Whether the > > Vishnu within us is strong or not and whether our goal is saattwik > > or not is the big issue. If that is taken care of, I sincerely > > believe that everything else falls in place by itself. If it is not > > taken care of, no other steps will save us. Other steps are only > > superficial in nature. > > > > > > I genuinely believe that Jyotish as we know it today is quite > > imperfect. I genuinely believe that time has come for a renaissance > > in Jyotish. I genuinely believe that I can play however minute a > > role in that long process, by sharing my limited knowledge with > > others as I am doing now. > > > > > > Having said that, I must add that I am ready for any > > punishment if I am wrong and am indeed sinning. Thanks to the friend > > who voiced this concern! > > > > > > Other people may have different views and I do respect them > > for their views. > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha > > > -------------------------- ---- > > - > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > -------------------------- ---- > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > V.Partha Sarathy, > partvinu.tripod.com > > All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks > or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or > acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that > never leaves him. > -----Buddha > > > Plot.no.71 > Road No.3 > Nagarjuna Hills > Hyderabad > India-500 082 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Dear Amol Making a point with conviction is alright, but labelling some people as fools is not acceptable. And you are calling some people in SJC as fools which is totally unacceptable in a sjc forum. Please control yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Dear Amol Thanks for the clarification. Words are very important tools for communication, please bear that in mind. You might have meant fools as Learned ones, but how will one know it? Now that you have clarified, i know it. But what about others. I am ccing this to vedic list, so that people understand your intention and dont mistake you. thanks for wishes partha On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:56:40 +0000 (GMT), Amol Mandar <amolmandar wrote: > Dear Partha Namaste > > Good to hear from you after a long time. Before I say > anything- Congrats for your promotion in the life. > Have a happy and long married life. > > See partha, possibly I was not clear in my message, I > wrote fools in single quote to indicate that these are > the real learned ones who have understood the purport > of the astrology. My tone of the message was > sarcastic. Take it in that way and you will understand > the meaning of it. Anyway by any chance if I have hurt > your feelings please excuse me. I can not dare to say > fools(without quote) anybody on SJC list. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > --- Partha Sarathy <partvinu wrote: > > Dear Amol > > > > Making a point with conviction is alright, but > > labelling some people > > as fools is not acceptable. And you are calling some > > people in SJC as > > fools which is totally unacceptable in a sjc forum. > > Please control > > yourself. > > best wishes > > partha > > > > > > > > On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 06:24:15 -0000, amolmandar > > <amolmandar wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimhaji Namaste > > > > > > To gain the confidence, atleast in India, the > > astrologer need not know > > > good technique! People are ready to listen and > > follow you even if they > > > know that you are an astrologer! Nagpur city is a > > den of Astrolgers. > > > There are many who teach astrology and there are > > many who learn > > > astrology in Nagpur city. So effect is that there > > are many people in > > > Nagpur wearing all kinds of stones and following > > all kinds of > > > remedies. Right from Lal kitab to Ayurvedic > > medicines priscribed by > > > Astrolgers. Many in Nagpur have started kalsarpa > > pooja at their homes! > > > Eralier astroloers used to asked people to visti > > Nashik but looking at > > > 'demand' some have started conducting at their > > home only! Person who > > > goes to astrologer does not want proof of > > astrologers credibility. He > > > wants some remedy for his urgent problem. If one > > remedy fails he goes > > > to another and in trial and error method some > > remedy works for him. > > > The astrologer whose remedy works becomes hero for > > him. This is known > > > to the astrologers as well. So knowledge going > > into wrong hands is a > > > obsolete concept! It is imparted only by wrong > > hand to produce more > > > wrong hands many people say like this! > > > What is true for Nagpur is more-or-less true for > > all cities in India. > > > A survy will reveal interesting facts! > > > It is only at SJC some 'fools' worry about true > > knowledge and its > > > effects! > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha > > P.V.R. Rao" > > > <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > Namaste Madam, > > > > > > > > If one knows a good technique (e.g. Tithi > > Pravesha), one can make > > > some really good predictions and win the > > confidence of people. Then > > > one can use that to milk money out of them. For > > example, one can scare > > > clients after impressing them and say that a > > particular yajna must be > > > performed to save them from an impending disaster. > > > > > > > > There are people who scare clients and say that > > a particular remedy > > > must be done. For example, a young girl I know > > went to an astrologer > > > in India and he said she must perform a particular > > homam and said that > > > it must only be performed by a particular priest > > that the astrologer > > > had a tie-up with. When the girl's father, who is > > a good priest > > > himself, said he could do it himself, the > > astrologer scared them > > > saying it will not work and it should be done only > > by the local priest > > > he recommended. > > > > > > > > There are people who use scare tactics to make > > money. If genuine > > > astrological knowledge falls in the hands of such > > people, they can > > > impress people with correct readings and their > > scare tactics will work > > > better. > > > > > > > > To teach advanced knowledge to such people would > > certainly be wrong. > > > > > > > > However, as I said below, I feel that the purity > > of one's purpose > > > and attitude will save one from committing sins. > > > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > > Narasimha > > > > - > > > > Devika Dhillon > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao ; > > > > > > Cc: vedic astrology > > > > Monday, January 03, 2005 3:35 PM > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Apaatra Daanam > > and Jyotish on Web > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the definition of "wrong > > people/unworthy people", when it > > > comes to Astrology? How can someone use > > Astrological knowledge in a > > > wrong way? I think everyone is worthy to have this > > great knowledge. > > > > > > > > Devika. > > > > > > > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > I was on a one week vacation in the > > southwest USA and just came > > > back. I was sorry to know of the disaster in south > > and southeast Asia. > > > I hope 2005 will be a better year for the world. > > Happy new year to all > > > of you. > > > > > > > > While I was away, one respected friend asked > > me if it wasn't a > > > sin to distribute astrological knowledge on the > > web. We Hindus believe > > > that apaatra daanam (donation to an unworthy > > person) is a sin. > > > > > > > > I too thought of this in the past. In fact, > > this particular > > > issue tormented me for a long time. However, my > > guru Pt Sanjay Rath > > > convinced me that free sharing of knowledge > > without such concerns is > > > the need of the hour. > > > > > > > > In my early days, I was interested in name > > and fame and was > > > engaging in discussions with the rajasik/tamasik > > goal of making name > > > for myself. There was some ego. I certainly > > accumulated some sin as I > > > distributed my limited understanding of some > > advanced knowledge in > > > those days. > > > > > > > > But, I am less and less interested in name > > or fame these days. I > > > am more and more interested in sharing the > > knowledge so that it > > > doesn't get lost and gets advanced. Won't I be > > silly to think that > > > what I understood and digested is mine? The > > knowledge has been there > > > for ever and will be there for ever. It is not > > mine. I am just > > > performing my duty by sharing the knowledge, so > > that knowledge > > > advances (when and if the time has come for it to > > happen). > > > > > > > > When the goal is saattwik and has little or > > no rajas/tamas in > > > it, I understand that there is no sin. When my > > goal is saattwik, I am > > > confident that Lord Vishnu will ensure that the > > knowledge does not > > > fall in the hands of apaatras (unworthy people). I > > write so much on > > > the lists on some really advanced topics. But how > > many people pay > > > close attention? How many people understand it > > fully? How many people > > > get to use the knowledge? It is my firm belief > > that the purity of my > > > purpose ensures that wrong people will not be able > > to benefit from my > > > writings. If wrong people are benefitting from my > > knowledge, > === message truncated === > > ===== > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > _________ > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. > -- V.Partha Sarathy, partvinu.tripod.com All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him. -----Buddha Plot.no.71 Road No.3 Nagarjuna Hills Hyderabad India-500 082 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Yes, this is indeed an interestinf topic. Despite the elegibility criteria laid down for the seeker of Vedic knowledge , we had several highly spiritual and knowledgeble persons who "misused" the knowledge they possessed. Ravana, Parsuram etc. were no less knowledgeble than devtas but still they used their knowledge for adharam. We have even now Tantriks who use our ancient knowledge for wrong purposes. We have occult sciences and occult mantras again from our Vedic times. We have Kamasutra which can be called pornography by the modern standards and therefore not dharmik. So what is important is the karma of the seeker. A seeker shall get knowledge only if he has dedication to get it. What he uses it for is again ordained by God. Bhagwat Gita is the guide. What we consider as ghastly and murderous like the Atom Bomb may be ordained and therefore not unecessary. And God will get it done by the seeker of knowledge who according to our standards may have "misused" the knowledge. The knowledge therefore cannot be denied to a seeker. Pran Razdan --- Swadhin Behera <beherajapan wrote: > > This is an interesting thread of conversation. The original idea of > ¡Èapatre danam¡É was probably not meant to restrict knowledge to a > limited people. It was designed to avoid damage to the human society. > For example, think about giving nuclear technology knowledge to a > mindless person. It was therefore important for a Guru to understand > the level of purity of his student because knowledge can be used for > both constructive and destructive purposes. However, certain types of > knowledge are so pure that those can be distributed freely: bhakti > marg is one of them. Several spiritual gurus (Budha, Chaitanya, > Christ, Guru Govind¡Ä) have been so successful in distributing this > knowledge freely in the society. In the present situation of the > world, we need another such a guru for spiritual awakening of the > human society. > > > > I also have some remarks on another thread in which it was discussed > how a Joytish can be attached to Karma of a subject. If that is true, > then all discoverers, most scientists, doctors and engineers would > also get attached to the karma of the human kind. Because those are > the people who unravel the mystery of the nature and open the hidden > laws of nature for the benefit of the society. The progress and > sometimes even the very existence of nature and society were > dependent on those discoveries. Could the karma cycle penalize those > discoverers then? > > > Swadhin > > PNRazdan <pnrazdan wrote: > Dear Shri Rao, > Very well said. I applaud your thinking. There is one more reason > apart > from the sattvicta attached to the giver of the knowledge. This is > our > age old concept of closed thinking which has restricted Vedic > knowledge > amongst very few Hindus. Hindu religion despite its rich culture did > not travel around the world because of the trait of restricted > knowledge sharing. We have to come out of this shell attitude. > Pran Razdan > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote: > > > Namaste friends, > > > > I was on a one week vacation in the southwest USA and just came > back. > > I was sorry to know of the disaster in south and southeast Asia. I > > hope 2005 will be a better year for the world. Happy new year to > all > > of you. > > > > While I was away, one respected friend asked me if it wasn't a sin > to > > distribute astrological knowledge on the web. We Hindus believe > that > > apaatra daanam (donation to an unworthy person) is a sin. > > > > I too thought of this in the past. In fact, this particular issue > > tormented me for a long time. However, my guru Pt Sanjay Rath > > convinced me that free sharing of knowledge without such concerns > is > > the need of the hour. > > > > In my early days, I was interested in name and fame and was > engaging > > in discussions with the rajasik/tamasik goal of making name for > > myself. There was some ego. I certainly accumulated some sin as I > > distributed my limited understanding of some advanced knowledge in > > those days. > > > > But, I am less and less interested in name or fame these days. I am > > more and more interested in sharing the knowledge so that it > doesn't > > get lost and gets advanced. Won't I be silly to think that what I > > understood and digested is mine? The knowledge has been there for > > ever and will be there for ever. It is not mine. I am just > performing > > my duty by sharing the knowledge, so that knowledge advances (when > > and if the time has come for it to happen). > > > > When the goal is saattwik and has little or no rajas/tamas in it, I > > understand that there is no sin. When my goal is saattwik, I am > > confident that Lord Vishnu will ensure that the knowledge does not > > fall in the hands of apaatras (unworthy people). I write so much on > > the lists on some really advanced topics. But how many people pay > > close attention? How many people understand it fully? How many > people > > get to use the knowledge? It is my firm belief that the purity of > my > > purpose ensures that wrong people will not be able to benefit from > my > > writings. If wrong people are benefitting from my knowledge, it > means > > that my attitude has an impurity in it. Even if I don't share the > > knowledge on the web and impart it personally in a small room, it > can > > end up reaching wrong people if my attitude has an impurity in it. > > > > Basically, Lord Vishnu lives in our purpose/goal as its purity > (i.e. > > sattwa guna). Whether we share knowledge openly on the web or in a > > private room is not the big issue in my judgment. Whether the > Vishnu > > within us is strong or not and whether our goal is saattwik or not > is > > the big issue. If that is taken care of, I sincerely believe that > > everything else falls in place by itself. If it is not taken care > of, > > no other steps will save us. Other steps are only superficial in > > nature. > > > > I genuinely believe that Jyotish as we know it today is quite > > imperfect. I genuinely believe that time has come for a renaissance > > in Jyotish. I genuinely believe that I can play however minute a > role > > in that long process, by sharing my limited knowledge with others > as > > I am doing now. > > > > Having said that, I must add that I am ready for any punishment if > I > > am wrong and am indeed sinning. Thanks to the friend who voiced > this > > concern! > > > > Other people may have different views and I do respect them for > their > > views. > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------------- > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > Meet the all-new My - Try it today! > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > Links > > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Dear Narasimhaji, I haven't seen Tithi Pravesh calculations in any software except yours. Respected Shri K.N.Rao too admires T.P. charts and call it real Varshaphala. But, as I have heard, there are some differences on its calculations too, like Mean and Exact solar returns of usual Varshaphala. Can you let us know these differences and how to calculate it differently ? Your software (which I have) gives only one type of TP chart. Thanking you, Praveen Kumar (Mumbai) - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Devika Dhillon Cc: vedic astrology 04, 01, 2005 7:49 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Apaatra Daanam and Jyotish on Web Namaste Madam, If one knows a good technique (e.g. Tithi Pravesha), one can make some really good predictions and win the confidence of people. Then one can use that to milk money out of them. For example, one can scare clients after impressing them and say that a particular yajna must be performed to save them from an impending disaster. There are people who scare clients and say that a particular remedy must be done. For example, a young girl I know went to an astrologer in India and he said she must perform a particular homam and said that it must only be performed by a particular priest that the astrologer had a tie-up with. When the girl's father, who is a good priest himself, said he could do it himself, the astrologer scared them saying it will not work and it should be done only by the local priest he recommended. There are people who use scare tactics to make money. If genuine astrological knowledge falls in the hands of such people, they can impress people with correct readings and their scare tactics will work better. To teach advanced knowledge to such people would certainly be wrong. However, as I said below, I feel that the purity of one's purpose and attitude will save one from committing sins. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha - Devika Dhillon Narasimha P.V.R. Rao ; Cc: vedic astrology Monday, January 03, 2005 3:35 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Apaatra Daanam and Jyotish on Web What is the definition of "wrong people/unworthy people", when it comes to Astrology? How can someone use Astrological knowledge in a wrong way? I think everyone is worthy to have this great knowledge. Devika."Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste friends, I was on a one week vacation in the southwest USA and just came back. I was sorry to know of the disaster in south and southeast Asia. I hope 2005 will be a better year for the world. Happy new year to all of you. While I was away, one respected friend asked me if it wasn't a sin to distribute astrological knowledge on the web. We Hindus believe that apaatra daanam (donation to an unworthy person) is a sin. I too thought of this in the past. In fact, this particular issue tormented me for a long time. However, my guru Pt Sanjay Rath convinced me that free sharing of knowledge without such concerns is the need of the hour. In my early days, I was interested in name and fame and was engaging in discussions with the rajasik/tamasik goal of making name for myself. There was some ego. I certainly accumulated some sin as I distributed my limited understanding of some advanced knowledge in those days. But, I am less and less interested in name or fame these days. I am more and more interested in sharing the knowledge so that it doesn't get lost and gets advanced. Won't I be silly to think that what I understood and digested is mine? The knowledge has been there for ever and will be there for ever. It is not mine. I am just performing my duty by sharing the knowledge, so that knowledge advances (when and if the time has come for it to happen). When the goal is saattwik and has little or no rajas/tamas in it, I understand that there is no sin. When my goal is saattwik, I am confident that Lord Vishnu will ensure that the knowledge does not fall in the hands of apaatras (unworthy people). I write so much on the lists on some really advanced topics. But how many people pay close attention? How many people understand it fully? How many people get to use the knowledge? It is my firm belief that the purity of my purpose ensures that wrong people will not be able to benefit from my writings. If wrong people are benefitting from my knowledge, it means that my attitude has an impurity in it. Even if I don't share the knowledge on the web and impart it personally in a small room, it can end up reaching wrong people if my attitude has an impurity in it. Basically, Lord Vishnu lives in our purpose/goal as its purity (i.e. sattwa guna). Whether we share knowledge openly on the web or in a private room is not the big issue in my judgment. Whether the Vishnu within us is strong or not and whether our goal is saattwik or not is the big issue. If that is taken care of, I sincerely believe that everything else falls in place by itself. If it is not taken care of, no other steps will save us. Other steps are only superficial in nature. I genuinely believe that Jyotish as we know it today is quite imperfect. I genuinely believe that time has come for a renaissance in Jyotish. I genuinely believe that I can play however minute a role in that long process, by sharing my limited knowledge with others as I am doing now. Having said that, I must add that I am ready for any punishment if I am wrong and am indeed sinning. Thanks to the friend who voiced this concern! Other people may have different views and I do respect them for their views. 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Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 I have visited India a few times in my life and I personally never had to contact any Astrologer, so I was ignorant about their tactics and their taking advantage of peoples' desperation. I have learned something by raising the questions, thanks for the reply. Devika. "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste Madam, If one knows a good technique (e.g. Tithi Pravesha), one can make some really good predictions and win the confidence of people. Then one can use that to milk money out of them. For example, one can scare clients after impressing them and say that a particular yajna must be performed to save them from an impending disaster. There are people who scare clients and say that a particular remedy must be done. For example, a young girl I know went to an astrologer in India and he said she must perform a particular homam and said that it must only be performed by a particular priest that the astrologer had a tie-up with. When the girl's father, who is a good priest himself, said he could do it himself, the astrologer scared them saying it will not work and it should be done only by the local priest he recommended. There are people who use scare tactics to make money. If genuine astrological knowledge falls in the hands of such people, they can impress people with correct readings and their scare tactics will work better. To teach advanced knowledge to such people would certainly be wrong. However, as I said below, I feel that the purity of one's purpose and attitude will save one from committing sins. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha - Devika Dhillon Narasimha P.V.R. Rao ; Cc: vedic astrology Monday, January 03, 2005 3:35 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Apaatra Daanam and Jyotish on Web What is the definition of "wrong people/unworthy people", when it comes to Astrology? How can someone use Astrological knowledge in a wrong way? I think everyone is worthy to have this great knowledge. Devika."Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste friends, I was on a one week vacation in the southwest USA and just came back. I was sorry to know of the disaster in south and southeast Asia. I hope 2005 will be a better year for the world. Happy new year to all of you. While I was away, one respected friend asked me if it wasn't a sin to distribute astrological knowledge on the web. We Hindus believe that apaatra daanam (donation to an unworthy person) is a sin. I too thought of this in the past. In fact, this particular issue tormented me for a long time. However, my guru Pt Sanjay Rath convinced me that free sharing of knowledge without such concerns is the need of the hour. In my early days, I was interested in name and fame and was engaging in discussions with the rajasik/tamasik goal of making name for myself. There was some ego. I certainly accumulated some sin as I distributed my limited understanding of some advanced knowledge in those days. But, I am less and less interested in name or fame these days. I am more and more interested in sharing the knowledge so that it doesn't get lost and gets advanced. Won't I be silly to think that what I understood and digested is mine? The knowledge has been there for ever and will be there for ever. It is not mine. I am just performing my duty by sharing the knowledge, so that knowledge advances (when and if the time has come for it to happen). When the goal is saattwik and has little or no rajas/tamas in it, I understand that there is no sin. When my goal is saattwik, I am confident that Lord Vishnu will ensure that the knowledge does not fall in the hands of apaatras (unworthy people). I write so much on the lists on some really advanced topics. But how many people pay close attention? How many people understand it fully? How many people get to use the knowledge? It is my firm belief that the purity of my purpose ensures that wrong people will not be able to benefit from my writings. If wrong people are benefitting from my knowledge, it means that my attitude has an impurity in it. Even if I don't share the knowledge on the web and impart it personally in a small room, it can end up reaching wrong people if my attitude has an impurity in it. Basically, Lord Vishnu lives in our purpose/goal as its purity (i.e. sattwa guna). Whether we share knowledge openly on the web or in a private room is not the big issue in my judgment. Whether the Vishnu within us is strong or not and whether our goal is saattwik or not is the big issue. If that is taken care of, I sincerely believe that everything else falls in place by itself. If it is not taken care of, no other steps will save us. Other steps are only superficial in nature. I genuinely believe that Jyotish as we know it today is quite imperfect. I genuinely believe that time has come for a renaissance in Jyotish. I genuinely believe that I can play however minute a role in that long process, by sharing my limited knowledge with others as I am doing now. Having said that, I must add that I am ready for any punishment if I am wrong and am indeed sinning. Thanks to the friend who voiced this concern! Other people may have different views and I do respect them for their views. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha -------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org------------------------------- The all-new My – Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Namaste, I don't want to be misunderstood. Not every astrologer in India is an exploiter. Similarly, not all exploiters are from India. We have good and bad everywhere. In fact, India has more genuine astrologers than the rest of the world, who follow the true Vedic method of rendering their services without expecting anything in return and who accept voluntary donations without any complaints. India is a nation of extremes. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha -------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org------------------------------- - Devika Dhillon Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Cc: vedic astrology Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:55 AM Re: Apaatra Daanam and Jyotish on Web Namaste Sir, I have visited India a few times in my life and I personally never had to contact any Astrologer, so I was ignorant about their tactics and their taking advantage of peoples' desperation. I have learned something by raising the questions, thanks for the reply. Devika. "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste Madam, If one knows a good technique (e.g. Tithi Pravesha), one can make some really good predictions and win the confidence of people. Then one can use that to milk money out of them. For example, one can scare clients after impressing them and say that a particular yajna must be performed to save them from an impending disaster. There are people who scare clients and say that a particular remedy must be done. For example, a young girl I know went to an astrologer in India and he said she must perform a particular homam and said that it must only be performed by a particular priest that the astrologer had a tie-up with. When the girl's father, who is a good priest himself, said he could do it himself, the astrologer scared them saying it will not work and it should be done only by the local priest he recommended. There are people who use scare tactics to make money. If genuine astrological knowledge falls in the hands of such people, they can impress people with correct readings and their scare tactics will work better. To teach advanced knowledge to such people would certainly be wrong. However, as I said below, I feel that the purity of one's purpose and attitude will save one from committing sins. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha - Devika Dhillon Narasimha P.V.R. Rao ; Cc: vedic astrology Monday, January 03, 2005 3:35 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Apaatra Daanam and Jyotish on Web What is the definition of "wrong people/unworthy people", when it comes to Astrology? How can someone use Astrological knowledge in a wrong way? I think everyone is worthy to have this great knowledge. Devika."Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste friends, I was on a one week vacation in the southwest USA and just came back. I was sorry to know of the disaster in south and southeast Asia. I hope 2005 will be a better year for the world. Happy new year to all of you. While I was away, one respected friend asked me if it wasn't a sin to distribute astrological knowledge on the web. We Hindus believe that apaatra daanam (donation to an unworthy person) is a sin. I too thought of this in the past. In fact, this particular issue tormented me for a long time. However, my guru Pt Sanjay Rath convinced me that free sharing of knowledge without such concerns is the need of the hour. In my early days, I was interested in name and fame and was engaging in discussions with the rajasik/tamasik goal of making name for myself. There was some ego. I certainly accumulated some sin as I distributed my limited understanding of some advanced knowledge in those days. But, I am less and less interested in name or fame these days. I am more and more interested in sharing the knowledge so that it doesn't get lost and gets advanced. Won't I be silly to think that what I understood and digested is mine? The knowledge has been there for ever and will be there for ever. It is not mine. I am just performing my duty by sharing the knowledge, so that knowledge advances (when and if the time has come for it to happen). When the goal is saattwik and has little or no rajas/tamas in it, I understand that there is no sin. When my goal is saattwik, I am confident that Lord Vishnu will ensure that the knowledge does not fall in the hands of apaatras (unworthy people). I write so much on the lists on some really advanced topics. But how many people pay close attention? How many people understand it fully? How many people get to use the knowledge? It is my firm belief that the purity of my purpose ensures that wrong people will not be able to benefit from my writings. If wrong people are benefitting from my knowledge, it means that my attitude has an impurity in it. Even if I don't share the knowledge on the web and impart it personally in a small room, it can end up reaching wrong people if my attitude has an impurity in it. Basically, Lord Vishnu lives in our purpose/goal as its purity (i.e. sattwa guna). Whether we share knowledge openly on the web or in a private room is not the big issue in my judgment. Whether the Vishnu within us is strong or not and whether our goal is saattwik or not is the big issue. If that is taken care of, I sincerely believe that everything else falls in place by itself. If it is not taken care of, no other steps will save us. Other steps are only superficial in nature. I genuinely believe that Jyotish as we know it today is quite imperfect. I genuinely believe that time has come for a renaissance in Jyotish. I genuinely believe that I can play however minute a role in that long process, by sharing my limited knowledge with others as I am doing now. Having said that, I must add that I am ready for any punishment if I am wrong and am indeed sinning. Thanks to the friend who voiced this concern! Other people may have different views and I do respect them for their views. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha -------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org------------------------------- The all-new My – Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Dear Narasimha, I agree, perhaps human tendency does not change much over continents. In India deep belief in religion, perhaps, makes for more genuine astrologers than fake ones. The fact that many also know of Puranas and scriptures also helps keeping people on the right track. Unfortunately, in today's age of advertisement, fakes are able to be believed as genuine article. This is exactly why SJC is teaching the divine science to others. This would enable to create more sincere astrologers and also allow access to knowledge so that one can discriminate between genuine and fake. Chandrashekhar. Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote: Namaste, I don't want to be misunderstood. Not every astrologer in India is an exploiter. Similarly, not all exploiters are from India. We have good and bad everywhere. In fact, India has more genuine astrologers than the rest of the world, who follow the true Vedic method of rendering their services without expecting anything in return and who accept voluntary donations without any complaints. India is a nation of extremes. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org ------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- Devika Dhillon To: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Cc: vedic astrology Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: Re: Apaatra Daanam and Jyotish on Web Namaste Sir, I have visited India a few times in my life and I personally never had to contact any Astrologer, so I was ignorant about their tactics and their taking advantage of peoples' desperation. I have learned something by raising the questions, thanks for the reply. Devika. "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste Madam, If one knows a good technique (e.g. Tithi Pravesha), one can make some really good predictions and win the confidence of people. Then one can use that to milk money out of them. For example, one can scare clients after impressing them and say that a particular yajna must be performed to save them from an impending disaster. There are people who scare clients and say that a particular remedy must be done. For example, a young girl I know went to an astrologer in India and he said she must perform a particular homam and said that it must only be performed by a particular priest that the astrologer had a tie-up with. When the girl's father, who is a good priest himself, said he could do it himself, the astrologer scared them saying it will not work and it should be done only by the local priest he recommended. There are people who use scare tactics to make money. If genuine astrological knowledge falls in the hands of such people, they can impress people with correct readings and their scare tactics will work better. To teach advanced knowledge to such people would certainly be wrong. However, as I said below, I feel that the purity of one's purpose and attitude will save one from committing sins. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ----- Original Message ----- Devika Dhillon To: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao ; Cc: vedic astrology Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [vedic astrology] Apaatra Daanam and Jyotish on Web What is the definition of "wrong people/unworthy people", when it comes to Astrology? How can someone use Astrological knowledge in a wrong way? I think everyone is worthy to have this great knowledge. Devika. "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste friends, I was on a one week vacation in the southwest USA and just came back. I was sorry to know of the disaster in south and southeast Asia. I hope 2005 will be a better year for the world. Happy new year to all of you. While I was away, one respected friend asked me if it wasn't a sin to distribute astrological knowledge on the web. We Hindus believe that apaatra daanam (donation to an unworthy person) is a sin. I too thought of this in the past. In fact, this particular issue tormented me for a long time. However, my guru Pt Sanjay Rath convinced me that free sharing of knowledge without such concerns is the need of the hour. In my early days, I was interested in name and fame and was engaging in discussions with the rajasik/tamasik goal of making name for myself. There was some ego. I certainly accumulated some sin as I distributed my limited understanding of some advanced knowledge in those days. But, I am less and less interested in name or fame these days. I am more and more interested in sharing the knowledge so that it doesn't get lost and gets advanced. Won't I be silly to think that what I understood and digested is mine? The knowledge has been there for ever and will be there for ever. It is not mine. I am just performing my duty by sharing the knowledge, so that knowledge advances (when and if the time has come for it to happen). When the goal is saattwik and has little or no rajas/tamas in it, I understand that there is no sin. When my goal is saattwik, I am confident that Lord Vishnu will ensure that the knowledge does not fall in the hands of apaatras (unworthy people). I write so much on the lists on some really advanced topics. But how many people pay close attention? How many people understand it fully? How many people get to use the knowledge? It is my firm belief that the purity of my purpose ensures that wrong people will not be able to benefit from my writings. If wrong people are benefitting from my knowledge, it means that my attitude has an impurity in it. Even if I don't share the knowledge on the web and impart it personally in a small room, it can end up reaching wrong people if my attitude has an impurity in it. Basically, Lord Vishnu lives in our purpose/goal as its purity (i.e. sattwa guna). Whether we share knowledge openly on the web or in a private room is not the big issue in my judgment. Whether the Vishnu within us is strong or not and whether our goal is saattwik or not is the big issue. If that is taken care of, I sincerely believe that everything else falls in place by itself. If it is not taken care of, no other steps will save us. Other steps are only superficial in nature. I genuinely believe that Jyotish as we know it today is quite imperfect. I genuinely believe that time has come for a renaissance in Jyotish. I genuinely believe that I can play however minute a role in that long process, by sharing my limited knowledge with others as I am doing now. Having said that, I must add that I am ready for any punishment if I am wrong and am indeed sinning. Thanks to the friend who voiced this concern! Other people may have different views and I do respect them for their views. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org ------------------------------- The all-new My – Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Also, with 1.1 bio population, the no of fakes also could be higher - statistically speaking. When numbers are less, the chances of producing an astrologer, fake/genuine could be far less! viswanadham vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46> wrote: > Dear Narasimha, > I agree, perhaps human tendency does not change much over continents. In > India deep belief in religion, perhaps, makes for more genuine > astrologers than fake ones. The fact that many also know of Puranas and > scriptures also helps keeping people on the right track. Unfortunately, > in today's age of advertisement, fakes are able to be believed as > genuine article. > This is exactly why SJC is teaching the divine science to others. This > would enable to create more sincere astrologers and also allow access to > knowledge so that one can discriminate between genuine and fake. > Chandrashekhar. > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote: > > > Namaste, > > > > I don't want to be misunderstood. > > > > Not every astrologer in India is an exploiter. Similarly, not all > > exploiters are from India. We have good and bad everywhere. In fact, > > India has more genuine astrologers than the rest of the world, who > > follow the true Vedic method of rendering their services without > > expecting anything in return and who accept voluntary donations > > without any complaints. India is a nation of extremes. > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------------- > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > ------------------------------- > > > > - > > ** Devika Dhillon <devikadhillon> > > *To:* Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@c...> > > *Cc:* vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:55 AM > > *Subject:* Re: Apaatra Daanam and Jyotish on Web > > > > Namaste Sir, > > I have visited India a few times in my life and I personally > > never had to contact any Astrologer, so I was ignorant about their > > tactics and their taking advantage of peoples' desperation. I have > > learned something by raising the questions, thanks for the reply. > > > > Devika. > > > > */"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c... > > <pvr@c...>>/* wrote: > > > > Namaste Madam, > > > > If one knows a good technique (e.g. Tithi Pravesha), one can > > make some really good predictions and win the confidence of > > people. Then one can use that to milk money out of them. For > > example, one can scare clients after impressing them and say > > that a particular yajna must be performed to save them from an > > impending disaster. > > > > There are people who scare clients and say that a particular > > remedy must be done. For example, a young girl I know went to > > an astrologer in India and he said she must perform a > > particular homam and said that it must only be performed by a > > particular priest that the astrologer had a tie-up with. When > > the girl's father, who is a good priest himself, said he could > > do it himself, the astrologer scared them saying it will not > > work and it should be done only by the local priest he > > recommended. > > > > There are people who use scare tactics to make money. If > > genuine astrological knowledge falls in the hands of such > > people, they can impress people with correct readings and > > their scare tactics will work better. > > > > To teach advanced knowledge to such people would certainly be > > wrong. > > > > However, as I said below, I feel that the purity of one's > > purpose and attitude will save one from committing sins. > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha > > > > - > > ** Devika Dhillon <devikadhillon> > > *To:* Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@c...> ; > > > > <> > > *Cc:* vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology> > > *Sent:* Monday, January 03, 2005 3:35 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] Apaatra Daanam and > > Jyotish on Web > > > > What is the definition of "wrong people/unworthy people", > > when it comes to Astrology? How can someone use > > Astrological knowledge in a wrong way? I think everyone is > > worthy to have this great knowledge. > > > > Devika. > > > > */"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c... > > <pvr@c...>>/* wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > I was on a one week vacation in the southwest USA and > > just came back. I was sorry to know of the disaster in > > south and southeast Asia. I hope 2005 will be a better > > year for the world. Happy new year to all of you. > > > > While I was away, one respected friend asked me if it > > wasn't a sin to distribute astrological knowledge on > > the web. We Hindus believe that apaatra daanam > > (donation to an unworthy person) is a sin. > > > > I too thought of this in the past. In fact, this > > particular issue tormented me for a long time. > > However, my guru Pt Sanjay Rath convinced me that free > > sharing of knowledge without such concerns is the need > > of the hour. > > > > In my early days, I was interested in name and fame > > and was engaging in discussions with the > > rajasik/tamasik goal of making name for myself. There > > was some ego. I certainly accumulated some sin as I > > distributed my /limited /understanding of some > > advanced knowledge in those days. > > > > But, I am less and less interested in name or fame > > these days. I am more and more interested in sharing > > the knowledge so that it doesn't get lost and gets > > advanced. Won't I be silly to think that what I > > understood and digested is mine? The knowledge has > > been there for ever and will be there for ever. It is > > not mine. I am just performing my duty by sharing the > > knowledge, so that knowledge advances (when and if the > > time has come for it to happen). > > > > When the goal is saattwik and has little or no > > rajas/tamas in it, I understand that there is no sin. > > When my goal is saattwik, I am confident that Lord > > Vishnu will ensure that the knowledge does not fall in > > the hands of apaatras (unworthy people). I write so > > much on the lists on some really advanced topics. But > > how many people pay close attention? How many people > > understand it fully? How many people get to use the > > knowledge? It is my firm belief that the purity of my > > purpose ensures that wrong people will not be able to > > benefit from my writings. If wrong people are > > benefitting from my knowledge, it means that my > > attitude has an impurity in it. Even if I don't share > > the knowledge on the web and impart it personally in a > > small room, it can end up reaching wrong people if my > > attitude has an impurity in it. > > > > Basically, Lord Vishnu lives in our purpose/goal as > > its purity (i.e. sattwa guna). Whether we share > > knowledge openly on the web or in a private room is > > not the big issue in my judgment. Whether the Vishnu > > within us is strong or not and whether our goal is > > saattwik or not is the big issue. If that is taken > > care of, I sincerely believe that everything else > > falls in place by itself. If it is not taken care of, > > no other steps will save us. Other steps are only > > superficial in nature. > > > > I genuinely believe that Jyotish as we know it today > > is quite imperfect. I genuinely believe that time has > > come for a renaissance in Jyotish. I genuinely believe > > that I can play however minute a role in that long > > process, by sharing my limited knowledge with others > > as I am doing now. > > > > Having said that, I must add that I am ready for any > > punishment if I am wrong and am indeed sinning. Thanks > > to the friend who voiced this concern! > > > > Other people may have different views and I do respect > > them for their views. > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha > > ----------------- -------------- > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > ----------------- -------------- > > > > ----------------------------- ---------- > > > > The all-new My <> - Get yours free! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... 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