Chanting mantras for others- Explanation

January 2, 2005

Namsthe.

I writing this as i see a lot of posting regarding reciting Mantras

for self or for others. The explanation for this is not simple, but i

will try. Prayers and Mantras are totaly different.

Prayers rely mostly on the Bakthi aspect of Pooja, where the Mind,

Body and Soul becomes one with the diety. It is one way- Recognising

the Lord as the Ominipotent- Paramathma and offering the self to him.

Dont be mislead by "Aham Brahmasmi" and such theories. It is way

higher to understand at this level.

Mantras are scientificaly constructed words or symbols with bejakshara

- for example in "RamRa" is the beeja for Agni. Pronounciation is

Mantras are very important as it may alter the meaning of the Mantra

altogether. That is why Mantras should be recited by learned people.

More there are other specific rules regarding some of the mantras. for

example Mrithyunjaya Mantra should be recited on empty stomach. There

are specific reasons for it. The physical brain and the inner enery is

resident in the abdomen ( if you are martial artist you shall

understand this very easily). During the Ravana - Rama war Sri Rama

could not kill Ravana. Vibheeshana advises Sri Rama that he should

destroy the Mrithyunjaya situated in the admonen of Sri Rama.

One must know Yoga Sutra, Kundalini sakthi etc to understand this. I

just want to show that reciting Mantras affects the body, mind and the

soul. The effect depends on how you recite it.

In astrology Mantra and Upasana are shown by the 5th and the 9th. You

may do the mantropasana if these lords are powerful, in kendra and

Particulary not enemies of the Lagna Lord. if they are enemies doing

the Mantropasana may be more harmfull. if the 9th Lord is powerfull

and in kendra , be a friend of the Lagna Lord or the Planet in the 9th

is a friend of the Lagna Lord offering prayers ( Not Mantropasana)

just upasana, regulary will bring a lot of good.

Finaly: reciting mantras for others. This is more serious. To

understand this , One should understand life, its purpose etc.

Scripturs, Vedas,Smritis all say that it is Karma Bandha. one is

bound by his Karma. In other words it is Wrina Bandha ( Obligation) of

one sort / form or other. The essence of Hindu culture itself is the

Moksha from wRina(Obligations). It is due to some sort of Obligation

(Wrina) that i am writing this. birth on this earth is only to fulfill

his wrina. Every action has its own wrina bandha. Person who helps and

the person who takes help are bound by this wrina. When you do some

thing to help others ( money, food etc) is one thing, calling upon the

cosmic energy is totaly different. whatever the other person is

suffering may be due to his Karma Bandha as dictated by the

kalachakra. Have you got the athourity to break it. Breaking / helping

make you fall into another wrina trap. There are ways to overcome

it. so also are the people who are given these responcibities.

After reading this it may triger blood presure of many. But I have to

write to clarify the above.

It is written in Manusmrithi ans elsewere like this

"Adhyapanamadhyayanam Yajanam Yaajanam Tatha, Daanam parigrihachaivu

shadkarmanyagrajanmana". Meaning : Learning(Vedas), teaching,

conducting yagas for oneself and for others, taking and offering of

dana are the 6 responcibilties of a brahmin. The Brahmin means one who

has has the knowledge of Brahman. The birth of a brahmin is vedoktha -

as per Shodasa Samskara. This is to cleanse him and prepare for a

higher purpose. Whatever he does is offered at the feet of Lord

Paramathma - "Krishnarpanamashtu". His daily prayers ends with "Loka

Samastha Sukhino Bhavanthu". You may ask if a brahmin can help others

with mantras why cant I. May you can if you understand this. the trick

of escaping the wrina bandha. While you know Sudarsha is used for

Sathru Samhara etc a Brahmin recites " Sudarshana Mahajwala Kotisurya

Samaprabha. Agjanadhasyame nithyma vishnor margam pradarshaya".

Once a person came to me with grate anguish at 10.30 pm. After

checking the rasi I found that they are having Kshudra Abhichara and

immediately send them to do the remedial messures. Next day morning

while doing my usual poojas i found the boul in which the rasi were

kept (for daily abhisheka in the pooja room) was filled with filth

and worms. I had to do special remedial poojas myself for just helping

some one in distress. This is not a singular incidence.

what i have written is not for injuring others feeling, but only to

make understand the complications of what is called life.

May Lord Bless you.

A.G.Suresh Babu

vedic astrology, "shank4124" <shank4124>

wrote:

>

> Dear Gurujis,

>

> Namaste.Today I was visiting a web-site and I saw that mantras can be

> chanted for another person's benefit. I am unable to collect more

> information on the subject.Can someone please guide me accordingly

> with details instructions how should I chant mantras for someone

> else's benefit and kalyana?Any information/details guidence will be

> appreciated very much.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Shankar.

January 2, 2005

Thank you for your explanation with regard to reciting prayers.

I have a question with regard to the same and it relates to reciting prayers in

a language that the person concerned is not conversant with.

Will the prayers offered by such person have any efficacy?

Hope to hear from you.

David

sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag > wrote:

Namsthe.I writing this as i see a lot of posting regarding reciting Mantrasfor

self or for others. The explanation for this is not simple, but iwill try.

Prayers and Mantras are totaly different. Prayers rely mostly on the Bakthi

aspect of Pooja, where the Mind,Body and Soul becomes one with the diety. It is

one way- Recognisingthe Lord as the Ominipotent- Paramathma and offering the

self to him.Dont be mislead by "Aham Brahmasmi" and such theories. It is

wayhigher to understand at this level. Mantras are scientificaly constructed

words or symbols with bejakshara- for example in "RamRa" is the beeja for

Agni. Pronounciation isMantras are very important as it may alter the meaning

of the Mantraaltogether. That is why Mantras should be recited by learned

people.More there are other specific rules regarding some

of the mantras. forexample Mrithyunjaya Mantra should be recited on empty

stomach. Thereare specific reasons for it. The physical brain and the inner

enery isresident in the abdomen ( if you are martial artist you shallunderstand

this very easily). During the Ravana - Rama war Sri Ramacould not kill Ravana.

Vibheeshana advises Sri Rama that he shoulddestroy the Mrithyunjaya situated in

the admonen of Sri Rama. One must know Yoga Sutra, Kundalini sakthi etc to

understand this. Ijust want to show that reciting Mantras affects the body,

mind and thesoul. The effect depends on how you recite it. In astrology Mantra

and Upasana are shown by the 5th and the 9th. Youmay do the mantropasana if

these lords are powerful, in kendra andParticulary not enemies of the Lagna

Lord. if they are enemies doingthe Mantropasana may be more harmfull. if the

9th Lord is powerfulland in kendra , be a friend of the Lagna Lord or the

Planet in the 9this a friend of the Lagna Lord offering prayers ( Not

Mantropasana)just upasana, regulary will bring a lot of good. Finaly: reciting

mantras for others. This is more serious. Tounderstand this , One should

understand life, its purpose etc.Scripturs, Vedas,Smritis all say that it is

Karma Bandha. one isbound by his Karma. In other words it is Wrina Bandha (

Obligation) ofone sort / form or other. The essence of Hindu culture itself is

theMoksha from wRina(Obligations). It is due to some sort of Obligation(Wrina)

that i am writing this. birth on this earth is only to fulfillhis wrina. Every

action has its own wrina bandha. Person who helps andthe person who takes help

are bound by this wrina. When you do something to help others ( money, food

etc) is one thing, calling upon thecosmic energy is totaly different. whatever

the other person issuffering may be due to his Karma Bandha as dictated by

thekalachakra. Have you got the athourity to break it. Breaking / helpingmake

you fall into another wrina trap. There are ways to overcomeit. so also are

the people who are given these responcibities. After reading this it may triger

blood presure of many. But I have towrite to clarify the above. It is written in

Manusmrithi ans elsewere like this"Adhyapanamadhyayanam Yajanam Yaajanam Tatha,

Daanam parigrihachaivushadkarmanyagrajanmana". Meaning : Learning(Vedas),

teaching,conducting yagas for oneself and for others, taking and offering

ofdana are the 6 responcibilties of a brahmin. The Brahmin means one whohas has

the knowledge of Brahman. The birth of a brahmin is vedoktha -as per Shodasa

Samskara. This is to cleanse him and prepare for ahigher purpose. Whatever he

does is offered at the feet of LordParamathma - "Krishnarpanamashtu". His daily

prayers ends with "LokaSamastha Sukhino Bhavanthu". You may

ask if a brahmin can help otherswith mantras why cant I. May you can if you

understand this. the trickof escaping the wrina bandha. While you know Sudarsha

is used forSathru Samhara etc a Brahmin recites " Sudarshana Mahajwala

KotisuryaSamaprabha. Agjanadhasyame nithyma vishnor margam pradarshaya". Once a

person came to me with grate anguish at 10.30 pm. Afterchecking the rasi I found

that they are having Kshudra Abhichara andimmediately send them to do the

remedial messures. Next day morningwhile doing my usual poojas i found the boul

in which the rasi werekept (for daily abhisheka in the pooja room) was filled

with filthand worms. I had to do special remedial poojas myself for just

helpingsome one in distress. This is not a singular incidence. what i have

written is not for injuring others feeling, but only tomake understand the

complications of what is called life.May Lord Bless you.A.G.Suresh

Babu vedic astrology, "shank4124"

<shank4124>wrote:> > Dear Gurujis,> > Namaste.Today I was visiting a

web-site and I saw that mantras can be > chanted for another person's benefit.

I am unable to collect more > information on the subject.Can someone please

guide me accordingly > with details instructions how should I chant mantras for

someone > else's benefit and kalyana?Any information/details guidence will be >

appreciated very much.> > Best Regards,> > Shankar.Archives:

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January 2, 2005

Dear David

every thought is a prayer. Language is not a barrier to reach the

divine. What about mute people, what about blind and deaf, even their

prayers are answered. God is an automated answering machine with a

heart of Gold.

best wishes

partha

On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:56:39 -0800 (PST), David Andrews

<andrews635 wrote:

> Dear Shri Suresh Babu,

> Thank you for your explanation with regard to reciting prayers.

> I have a question with regard to the same and it relates to reciting prayers

> in a language that the person concerned is not conversant with.

> Will the prayers offered by such person have any efficacy?

> Hope to hear from you.

>

> David

>

> sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag wrote:

>

> Namsthe.

>

> I writing this as i see a lot of posting regarding reciting Mantras

> for self or for others. The explanation for this is not simple, but i

> will try. Prayers and Mantras are totaly different.

>

> Prayers rely mostly on the Bakthi aspect of Pooja, where the Mind,

> Body and Soul becomes one with the diety. It is one way- Recognising

> the Lord as the Ominipotent- Paramathma and offering the self to him.

> Dont be mislead by "Aham Brahmasmi" and such theories. It is way

> higher to understand at this level.

>

> Mantras are scientificaly constructed words or symbols with bejakshara

> - for example in "RamRa" is the beeja for Agni. Pronounciation is

> Mantras are very important as it may alter the meaning of the Mantra

> altogether. That is why Mantras should be recited by learned people.

> More there are other specific rules regarding some of the mantras. for

> example Mrithyunjaya Mantra should be recited on empty stomach. There

> are specific reasons for it. The physical brain and the inner enery is

> resident in the abdomen ( if you are martial artist you shall

> understand this very easily). During the Ravana - Rama war Sri Rama

> could not kill Ravana. Vibheeshana advises Sri Rama that he should

> destroy the Mrithyunjaya situated in the admonen of Sri Rama.

>

> One must know Yoga Sutra, Kundalini sakthi etc to understand this. I

> just want to show that reciting Mantras affects the body, mind and the

> soul. The effect depends on how you recite it.

>

> In astrology Mantra and Upasana are shown by the 5th and the 9th. You

> may do the mantropasana if these lords are powerful, in kendra and

> Particulary not enemies of the Lagna Lord. if they are enemies doing

> the Mantropasana may be more harmfull. if the 9th Lord is powerfull

> and in kendra , be a friend of the Lagna Lord or the Planet in the 9th

> is a friend of the Lagna Lord offering prayers ( Not Mantropasana)

> just upasana, regulary will bring a lot of good.

>

> Finaly: reciting mantras for others. This is more serious. To

> understand this , One should understand life, its purpose etc.

> Scripturs, Vedas,Smritis all say that it is Karma Bandha. one is

> bound by his Karma. In other words it is Wrina Bandha ( Obligation) of

> one sort / form or other. The essence of Hindu culture itself is the

> Moksha from wRina(Obligations). It is due to some sort of Obligation

> (Wrina) that i am writing this. birth on this earth is only to fulfill

> his wrina. Every action has its own wrina bandha. Person who helps and

> the person who takes help are bound by this wrina. When you do some

> thing to help others ( money, food etc) is one thing, calling upon the

> cosmic energy is totaly different. whatever the other person is

> suffering may be due to his Karma Bandha as dictated by the

> kalachakra. Have you got the athourity to break it. Breaking / helping

> make you fall into another wrina trap. There are ways to overcome

> it. so also are the people who are given these responcibities.

>

> After reading this it may triger blood presure of many. But I have to

> write to clarify the above.

>

> It is written in Manusmrithi ans elsewere like this

> "Adhyapanamadhyayanam Yajanam Yaajanam Tatha, Daanam parigrihachaivu

> shadkarmanyagrajanmana". Meaning : Learning(Vedas), teaching,

> conducting yagas for oneself and for others, taking and offering of

> dana are the 6 responcibilties of a brahmin. The Brahmin means one who

> has has the knowledge of Brahman. The birth of a brahmin is vedoktha -

> as per Shodasa Samskara. This is to cleanse him and prepare for a

> higher purpose. Whatever he does is offered at the feet of Lord

> Paramathma - "Krishnarpanamashtu". His daily prayers ends with "Loka

> Samastha Sukhino Bhavanthu". You may ask if a brahmin can help others

> with mantras why cant I. May you can if you understand this. the trick

> of escaping the wrina bandha. While you know Sudarsha is used for

> Sathru Samhara etc a Brahmin recites " Sudarshana Mahajwala Kotisurya

> Samaprabha. Agjanadhasyame nithyma vishnor margam pradarshaya".

>

> Once a person came to me with grate anguish at 10.30 pm. After

> checking the rasi I found that they are having Kshudra Abhichara and

> immediately send them to do the remedial messures. Next day morning

> while doing my usual poojas i found the boul in which the rasi were

> kept (for daily abhisheka in the pooja room) was filled with filth

> and worms. I had to do special remedial poojas myself for just helping

> some one in distress. This is not a singular incidence.

>

> what i have written is not for injuring others feeling, but only to

> make understand the complications of what is called life.

>

> May Lord Bless you.

> A.G.Suresh Babu

>

vedic astrology, "shank4124" <shank4124>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gurujis,

> >

> > Namaste.Today I was visiting a web-site and I saw that mantras can be

> > chanted for another person's benefit. I am unable to collect more

> > information on the subject.Can someone please guide me accordingly

> > with details instructions how should I chant mantras for someone

> > else's benefit and kalyana?Any information/details guidence will be

> > appreciated very much.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> >

> > Shankar.

>

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January 2, 2005

Namasthe.

Are you talking of prayers or Manthras.

Prayers as i told is directly related with Bhakti which means it comes

from your heart. Knowledge of the meaning of the prayer is very

important here. It is like a direct talk with the person in front of

you. let me explain - You say "I love you" to you children , your

mother, your girl friend/wife. the literal meaning of these words are

same but the mental status what we call "Bhavana" - or the nearest

english meaning intention are totaly different. how can the intention

be right if you do not understant the meaning of what you are saying ?

If you are reciting the prayers in any language try to learn the

meaning also. this definitly will be helpfull to induce the correct

intention and meaning to what you say as prayer.

vedic astrology, David Andrews

<andrews635> wrote:

> Dear Shri Suresh Babu,

> Thank you for your explanation with regard to reciting prayers.

> I have a question with regard to the same and it relates to reciting

prayers in a language that the person concerned is not conversant with.