Fwd: Sudarsa Chakra Dasa (time-based predictions using rasi)

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, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

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Namaste Vijay,

 

I will answer your first question based on what I know and believe in.

 

There are two techniques that were singled out by Parasara for their

predictive efficacy - (1) Sudarsana Chakra Dasa (SCD) and (2)

Ashtakavarga. I have done extensive researches in both. I will share

my researches in ashtakavarga later, as I need to spend more time on

it (yes, I do feel that there are huge gaps in the current

understanding as found in today's books). But I will share what I

found in SCD.

 

When finding mahadasas, we are told to progress lagna, Moon and Sun

by one sign per year. Most people only use lagna, but we are told to

use all the three. In my humble opinion, formed after much research,

the three references have very specific purposes. Sun shows the

opportunity given by the world to the native. Moon shows how the

native views what is happening around him. Lagna shows how the native

is acting in the world and trying to influence his environment. Lagna

and Moon are like two doors between the interior (native) and

exterior (environment). Environment influences the native thru Moon

and native influences the environment thru lagna. Native experiences

the environment thru Moon (mind) and influences the environment thru

lagna. Sun is the overall opportunity and he is the basis/enabler for

the other two.

 

If you want to guess a native's actions, use progressed lagna in SCD.

If you want to see how he feels or reacts to the happenings around

him, use progressed Moon in SCD. If you want to see the opportunity

given by the world and overall fortune, use progressed Sun in SCD.

 

One important note on interpreting SCD: Parasara clearly gave the

rules for interpreting the placement of planets in various houses

from the SCD sign (i.e. progressed lagna/Moon/Sun). Some people

restrict themselves to the natal chart for this analysis. Suppose

someone has Moon in Aq. In his 34th year, progressed Moon will be in

Sc (after removing multiples of 12 from 34, we get 10. The 10th house

from Aq is Sc). So SCD sign reckoned from Moon is Sc in the 34th

year. Some people will interpret the natal chart from Sc. But that is

not what Parasara taught. In the section where Parasara taught how to

interpret the placement of planets from SCD sign, he said "pratyabda

maasaadau". This clearly means "in the beginning of year or month".

The word "aadau" (in the beginning) is vital here. This clearly tells

us that the planetary position _at the beginning_ of the year/month

is interpreted from the dasa/antardasa sign. So SCD is to be

interpreted exclusively based on the chart cast at the commencement

of dasa/antardasa/pratyantardasa. I will give an example later.

 

Logically also, this makes sense, because events in one's life do not

repeat once in every 12 years. In my 11th year, I passed Sanskrita

Bhasha Kovida exam conducted by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan and Raashtra

Bhaashaa Vishaarada exam conducted by Dakshin Bharat Hindi Prachar

Sabha. It was a great year for studies and I learnt so much. I was so

enthusiastic about regular and special (Sanskrit/Hindi) studies. But,

in my 23rd year, I lost enthusiasm for formal studies and decided to

stop after finishing MS (I was in an MS-cum-PhD program then). These

events are 12 years apart and the dasas are identical. What separates

them is the dasa pravesha chakra. IMHO, Parasara's instruction is to

exclusively judge SCD from dasa pravesha chakra, rather than janma

chakra.

 

Now, let me answer your question on antardasas. The view expressed by

many scholars is that antardassas start from the dasa sign. In the

above example, the dasa sign reckoned from Moon during the native's

34th year is Sc. The antardasa during the first month (reckoned from

Moon again) is Sc. The antardasa during the second month is Sg. And

so on.

 

However, based on my researches, I do not agree with this view. I

carefully read Parasara and took a cue from the phrase "bhaavesaadi

dwaadasaanaam". Parasara's verses go as:

 

tanvaadyairvarshamaasaardhadwikadhasraan pravartayet |

bhaaveshaadi dwaadasaanaam dasa varsheshu kalpayet ||

tadaadyantardasaastadvanmaasaadau tadbalaih phalam |

 

I interpret these lines to mean: "Starting from 1st house, we find

dasas, antardasas and pratyantardasas by taking spans of one year,

one month and 2.5 days. Dasas start from the 1st house and go thru

the 12 houses. Further division can be done within the dasa years by

starting from the lords of the houses (bhaavesha+aadi). Thus, we

start and find antardasas and judge them the same way by checking the

strengths in the beginning of the month."

 

In other words, antardasas start from the sign containing the dasa

lord. In the above example of the 34th year of a native with Moon in

Aq, SCD in the 34th year is the 10th house from Moon, i.e. Scoripio.

The antardasas in the year start from the "bhavasha", i.e. 10th lord

from Aq. If Mars is in Gemini in the natal chart, antardasas start

from Gemini! The antardasa in the first month (reckoned from Moon) is

Gemini and it is Cancer in the second month. And so on.

 

My interpretation of Parasara is not only more faithful to the text

("bhaveshadi") than Santhanam, GC Sharma etc, but it is logical. With

the other approach, the result of the antardasa are identical to

those of the whole dasa. The results of the pratyantardasa are

identical to those of the whole ?antardasa. And so on. Isn't it

possible that a good year starts with a bad antardasa or vice versa?

That is not possible with the other approach. My approach means that

none of the antardasas may be identical to mahadasa in terms of

readings. Moreover, I am not ignoring some words of Parasara like

others.

 

One more thing I discovered in my researches is that divisional

charts can be used instead of rasi chart for wonderful readings. It

seems most natural to me, but others may disagree.

 

* * *

 

I will give an example. Take George W Bush's 2000-01. His birthdata

is 6th July 1946, 7:31:05 am (4:00 hrs west of GMT), New Haven,

Connecticut, USA (72w55'43", 41n18'29"). All the calculations below

use the timezone, longitude and latitude of birth.

 

Take his dasamsa (D-10), as D-10 is the chart for career and

achievements according to Parasara. Lagna, Moon and Sun are in Le, Sg

and Sg respectively, in natal D-10. These are progressed by one sign

per year in SCD scheme. The following are the calculations from my

JHora software:

 

Sudarsana Chakra Dasa of D-10 (Lagna:Moon:Sun):

 

Maha Dasas:

 

Le:Sg:Sg: 1994-07-06 (14:45:12) - 1995-07-06 (20:45:39)

Vi:Cp:Cp: 1995-07-06 (20:45:39) - 1996-07-06 (3:03:30)

Li:Aq:Aq: 1996-07-06 (3:03:30) - 1997-07-06 (9:11:57)

Sc:Pi:Pi: 1997-07-06 (9:11:57) - 1998-07-06 (15:11:14)

Sg:Ar:Ar: 1998-07-06 (15:11:14) - 1999-07-06 (21:25:14)

Cp:Ta:Ta: 1999-07-06 (21:25:14) - 2000-07-06 (3:33:58)

Aq:Ge:Ge: 2000-07-06 (3:33:58) - 2001-07-06 (9:46:52) <<<<

Pi:Cn:Cn: 2001-07-06 (9:46:52) - 2002-07-06 (15:58:03)

Ar:Le:Le: 2002-07-06 (15:58:03) - 2003-07-06 (21:59:17)

Ta:Vi:Vi: 2003-07-06 (21:59:17) - 2004-07-06 (4:17:29)

Ge:Li:Li: 2004-07-06 (4:17:29) - 2005-07-06 (10:26:24)

Cn:Sc:Sc: 2005-07-06 (10:26:24) - 2006-07-06 (16:24:23)

 

In Nov-Dec 2000, he was running the mahadasa of Aq based on lagna and

Ge based on Moon and Sun. To see election results, let us take Ge as

the reference and judge the planetary positions at the _beginning_ of

this dasa. Make a chart at 3:33:58 am on 6th July 2000 and judge the

planetary positions in D-10 from Gemini. The dasa commencement chart

has Moon (of Sukla paksha), Jupiter and exalted Venus in Pisces.

Thus, the 10th house from SCD sign Ge has 3 benefics. Moreover, 5th

and 10th lords from Ge conjoin in 10th from Ge. Thus, he gets a great

opportunity during the year in his career! Of course, it helps that

Libra (5th from Gemini) has a score of 43 in the SAV of natal D-10.

 

Now, look at the antardasas in this dasa. Again, they are copied

below from JHora software:

 

Sudarsana Chakra Dasa of D-10 (Lagna:Moon:Sun):

 

Aq:Ge:Ge MD: 2000-07-06 (3:33:58) - 2001-07-06 (9:46:52)

 

Antardasas in this MD:

 

Ar:Le:Le: 2000-07-06 (3:33:58) - 2000-08-06 (13:28:07)

Ta:Vi:Vi: 2000-08-06 (13:28:07) - 2000-09-06 (16:34:39)

Ge:Li:Li: 2000-09-06 (16:34:39) - 2000-10-07 (8:26:43)

Cn:Sc:Sc: 2000-10-07 (8:26:43) - 2000-11-06 (11:49:03) <<<<

Le:Sg:Sg: 2000-11-06 (11:49:03) - 2000-12-06 (4:47:13)

Vi:Cp:Cp: 2000-12-06 (4:47:13) - 2001-01-04 (16:03:28) <<<<

Li:Aq:Aq: 2001-01-04 (16:03:28) - 2001-02-03 (3:41:26)

Sc:Pi:Pi: 2001-02-03 (3:41:26) - 2001-03-04 (21:38:36)

Sg:Ar:Ar: 2001-03-04 (21:38:36) - 2001-04-04 (2:21:04)

Cp:Ta:Ta: 2001-04-04 (2:21:04) - 2001-05-04 (19:32:07)

Aq:Ge:Ge: 2001-05-04 (19:32:07) - 2001-06-04 (23:34:42)

Pi:Cn:Cn: 2001-06-04 (23:34:42) - 2001-07-06 (9:46:52)

 

At the time of the election, Sc antardasa in Ge dasa was running

(reckoned from Moon and Sun). If you make a chart at 8:26:43 am on

7th Oct 2000, you will see that Scorpio has Sun, but the 10th house

from Scorpio (Leo) has Ketu and nobody else. Mars and Rahu in 4th

deny comfort and happiness. Ketu in 10th shows confusion. There was

no clear result in this antardasa.

 

He was declared the winner in the antardasa of Cp (reckoned from Moon

and Sun). The planetary positions at 4:47:13 am on 6th Dec 2000 can

be found and interpreted in D-10 from Cp to see what is in store

during the month that started then. Mercury and Venus were in Libra

and Moon (of Sukla paksha) and Jupiter were in Aries. Moon and

Jupiter in 4th from antardasa sign promise relief, comfort and

happiness. Two benefics in 10th promise success.

 

Even the pratyantardasas are poignant. Calculations are given below:

 

Sudarsana Chakra Dasa of D-10 (Lagna:Moon:Sun):

 

Aq:Ge:Ge MD: 2000-07-06 (3:33:58) - 2001-07-06 (9:46:52)

Vi:Cp:Cp AD: 2000-12-06 (4:47:13) - 2001-01-04 (16:03:28)

 

Pratyantardasas in this AD:

 

Le:Ar:Ar: 2000-12-06 (4:47:13) - 2000-12-08 (15:52:54)

Vi:Ta:Ta: 2000-12-08 (15:52:54) - 2000-12-11 (2:56:42) <<<<

Li:Ge:Ge: 2000-12-11 (2:56:42) - 2000-12-13 (13:58:22)

Sc:Cn:Cn: 2000-12-13 (13:58:22) - 2000-12-16 (0:57:56) <<<<

Sg:Le:Le: 2000-12-16 (0:57:56) - 2000-12-18 (11:55:18)

Cp:Vi:Vi: 2000-12-18 (11:55:18) - 2000-12-20 (22:50:38)

Aq:Li:Li: 2000-12-20 (22:50:38) - 2000-12-23 (9:44:08)

Pi:Sc:Sc: 2000-12-23 (9:44:08) - 2000-12-25 (20:36:26)

Ar:Sg:Sg: 2000-12-25 (20:36:26) - 2000-12-28 (7:27:59)

Ta:Cp:Cp: 2000-12-28 (7:27:59) - 2000-12-30 (18:19:24)

Ge:Aq:Aq: 2000-12-30 (18:19:24) - 2001-01-02 (5:11:10)

Cn:Pi:Pi: 2001-01-02 (5:11:10) - 2001-01-04 (16:03:28)

 

In the second pratyantardasa of Taurus (reckoned from Moon and Sun),

there was an unfavorable result. Florida Supreme Court gave a

judgment in favor of Al Gore and ordered recounts. If you make the

dasamsa at 15:52:54 on 8th Dec 2000, you will see Jupiter in Ar,

Saturn and Rahu in Cp, Sun and Mars in Aq. Two malefics in 10th from

Taurus are unfavorable, using Parasara's rules strictly. Sun is a

benefic in friendly signs or own sign, but not in Aq. Even the 9th

house has two malefics (Saturn and Rahu) and shows weak protection.

It also shows setbacks from judiciary. Jupiter in 12th is also ill-

placed and shows losses from courts (for Jupiter, only quadrants,

trines, 8th and 11th are good from SCD sign).

 

However, check the fourth pratyantardasa of Cancer (reckoned from Sun

and Moon). This starts at 13:58:22 on 13th Dec 2000. At that time,

Sun and Jupiter were in Aries in dasamsa! Jupiter and exalted Sun

occupy 10th from Cn (exalted Sun is a benefic here). Two benefics in

10th promise good results. Lord of Cancer, Moon, is in 9th in Pisces

and shows good results from judiciary. Mercury in 8th and Venus in

7th are also good. Overall, this 2.5-day period is wonderful. It

helps that Scorpio (5th from Cancer) has a score of 37 in the D-10

SAV of the monthly chart.

 

BTW, I used SCD to predict that Bush would gain a conclusive lead

over Kerry in the week before election.

 

If you make his pratyantardasa during Nov 1-4, 2004, you will see

that Scorpio pratyantardasa ran (based on lagna, Moon as well as

Sun). Mercury in 9th, Moon and Venus in 10th, Jupiter in 11th and Sun

in 5th (in a friendly sign) were all well-placed from Scorpio in the

D-10 at the beginning of this PD.

 

* * *

 

As I am the author of a Jyotish software program (Jagannatha Hora),

experimenting with different approaches, techniques and calculation

methods is very easy for me. Whatever calculation method I want to

try, I quickly add it to the software and try it out on 50-60 cases.

An idea that may take somebody else a long time to test on 50 charts

sometimes takes only a couple of days for me.

 

For example, I tried out 5 different Kalachakra dasa (KCD) methods in

the past. Recently, I tried a new Kalachakra dasa method that was

taught by Sri T.S.V. Raghavacharya, a Telugu scholar who wrote a book

on KCD in 1930. I had it programmed in a day and tried it on 50

charts in a couple of days! For others, computing 4-6 methods for 50

charts may take several months. I am very fortunate in my Jyotish

researches this way.

 

The reason for sharing my Sudarsana Chakra Dasa researches is the

hope that somebody may benefit from this and take this research

further.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

PVR Narasimha Rao

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> Dear Shri Finn,

>

> 1) Thanks very much for the link on Sudarshana Chakra progressions.

> It was very interesting how you used it to predict who was going to

> be the prime minister.

>

> I am wondering if you can provide a reference/book where this is

> discussed in greater detail(how to go down to a particular day).

From

> the BPHS, is is clear how to use it on a yearly basis, but to

narrow

> down to a month or day the description seems very vague.

>

> 2) I also read with much interest, your first meeting with Shri

Manik

> Chand Jain. It seemed like Manik-ji only looked at your Rasi chart

> and made those predictions. I am wondering on what basis he was

able

> to say that you have one younger brother, that you will become an

> astrologer after being trained in classical music etc - I mean we

can

> make some general statements looking at the rasi, but how was he

able

> to state those with such exactitude.

>

> Regards,

> -Vijay

 

 

 

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