Oath taking OF PM....Loud Thinking (More)

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I am scratching my head

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partha

 

 

vedic astrology, Noname Noname

<nameisego> wrote:

> Respected Rao garu ,

>

> I had request you and other Guruvaryas to clear nagging doubt .

> I reiterate that your analysis is absolutely correct as per

shashtras.

> There is no question of being unhappy.

>

> On the contrary, I am glad that I am in august company of

knowledgable people and would like to learn many things which are

unknown or where there are some grey areas.

> One such area is

> "What time should be considered as Birth Of A Government "

>

> noname is taking the liberty to repost the points which need

guidence from Vidwans of this group. Is it asking for too much ?

> It was alrwady written that SEEKER IS ALWAYS POORER THAN GIVER.

When noname is a seeker, his knowledge cannot be greater than yours.

>

> You have repeatedly asked for identity and it was answered that

it was of no imprtance.

> Let us say that if EKALAVYA satisfies you, my postings will be

signed as EKALAVYA.

> It makes no difference , however to Narayana within me.

>

> Name signed in id is "nameisego" then it means simply that

since no name is used, it is considered that Names are our Alter Ego.

> So I have started experimenting with not using name.

> In fact it is considered to remove the name from all writings and

research conducted over years. May be in a day or two that exercise

also will be completed.

> In the mean while, can we proceed with our discussion ?

>

> Ekalavya

>

>

>

>

> Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote:

>

> ` nmae naray[ay,

>

> om namo näräyaëäya|

>

> Dear Nameisego,

>

> In modern days there are no kings and so it should be applied to

rajyabhisheka, Mukhya Mantri Pada Grahana, Pradhana mantri Pada

Grahana etc.If you are not happy with my interpretation,then better

you try to analyse and one thing is that still you are sticking that

you dont want to disclose your name. this will be my last mail

regarding his to you and no further mails will be written by me and

may be others who are more experienced than me amy write on this

list.I feel my knowledge is nothing in front of you.As your name

indicates you name is with EGO.

>

> Thanking you,

>

> With Shri Hari Vaayu naama Smarana,

>

> Ramadas Rao.

>

>

> nameisego [nameisego]

> Wednesday, May 26, 2004 7:51 PM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: Oath taking OF PM....Loud Thinking

(Doubts )

>

>

>

> Sri Ramdas garu,

>

> Name is not important .Identities get inflated .

> You have stated that nobody would answer me unless I disclose my

name.

> In such a case , I will be disappointed.

> Seeker is always poorer than giver.

>

> I can give any name if it satisfies you.

> But what is the purpose ?

>

> I have expressed genuine doubts which need to be cleared.

> I was hoping that you will do so.

>

> I am not convinced about swearing in muhurtha to be taken as

> Rajyabhisheka Muhurtha.

> I do not think that we have any rules in Muhurtha books for OATH

> TAKING CEREMONY.

> We do have for Ascension to Throne , Wearing of Crown etc.

>

> What I am trying to do is having a fresher perspective to looking

at

> an important event.

> Nor is my purpose to say I am right and You are wrong.

>

> But we definately need to have a rethink on certain

rules/conditions

> etc. and try different permutation/combinations.

>

> Why not conduct an exercise on different conditions that I

mentioned

> in my last posting.

> May I again request you sir to look beyond Identities ?

>

vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao

<ramadasrao>

> wrote:

> >

> > ` nmae naray[ay,

> >

> > om namo näräyaëäya|

> > Dear Friend,

> > Please disclose your name to this list and nobody will answer you

> unless you disclose your name.BTW, I am not angry with you but I

gave

> my views about Muhurta technics.For your information, the Swearing -

> In Muhurta can be taken as Rajyabhisheka Muhurta and try to analyse

> as the natal chart in all angles and then we can come to a

> conclusion.The reason here is PM is the highest portfolio in our

> country to rule the country and this Muhurta chart is to be

analysed

> for the longevity of the Governemnt.

> >

> > I hope this helps you.

> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> > Ramadas Rao.

> >

> > nameisego <nameisego> wrote:

> >

> > Atmasnehi Rao garu,

> >

> > I am aware of all ancient astrological texts being written in

> > Kaliyuga.

> >

> > I was alluding to Role of Krura Planets in making of a powerful

> ruler.

> >

> > My purpose is not to contradict you.

> >

> > I have expressed my humble opinion.

> >

> > There cannot be two opinions about what you have written is

correct

> >

> > Let us wait and see the game of heaven on earth.

> >

> > Just couple of doubts... I hope you can clear my confused mind.

> > If we are to take this Oath taking time as Birth of Congress led

> > Government,

> >

> > Do we take M M singh's oath taking time as,

> >

> > 1) shiro darshan time ?

> > 2) Birth of Cabinet Time?

> > 3) Oath taking time of the Last minister as Bhoomi Patan Time?

> > 4) Time at which Man Mohan singh ascended the Chair of PM in PMO

as

> > Rajyabhishek Time ?

> >

> > Let us suppose that after some time(when 15th or 20th minister

was

> > taking oath) all indications are there for a powerful yogas and

> long

> > life, how would any astrologer justify fall of a ministry?

> >

> > I would be highly obliged if this doubt is cleared.

> > I hope Learned Gurus would help me in this confusion.

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> > vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao

> <ramadasrao>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > ` nmae naray[ay,

> > >

> > > om namo näräyaëäya|

> > > Dear Nameisego,

> > > The ancient classics like Kalaprakashika, Muhurta Madhaveeyam

and

> > Muhurta Chintamani are written in Kali Yuga only and not in any

> other

> > Yuga.If you read the Muhurta classis mentioned above ,y ou will

> > understand that whatever I have written is correct. Now you just

> > watch the game of Heavens on Earth.

> > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> > > Ramadas Rao.

> > >

> > > nameisego <nameisego> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > In Kaliyuga, Krura Planets decide the winner.

> > > Placement of Ketu in Lagna,

> > > strong ninth house yogas

> > > Sun in 8th as a Badhakadhipathi,

> > > Jupiter in 11th.

> > > Absence of Balarishta yoga will make this Government a long

> lasting

> > > one.

> > >

> > > I think RAJYABHISHEK muhurtams were applicable for LOOOONG

> innings.

> > > We are looking for a life of five years.And that is what is

> > promised

> > > by Oath Taking Time chart.

> > >

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> > >

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> > > vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao

> > <ramadasrao>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ` nmae naray[ay,

> > > >

> > > > om namo näräyaëäya|

> > > > Dear Srivastava Ji,

> > > > A good analysis.I wanted to add some more interpretation of

> mine

> > > here.

> > > > I am analysing here Swearing - in Muhurta chart only and

> consider

> > > Manmohan Singh Ji's birth Jana Nakshatra on 26/09/1932 as

> Ashlesha -

> >

> > > 1st Pada. First the Muhurta Lagna and 7th are afflicted by

> malefics

> > > which are nodes,the Lagna being Tula.This is one of the

> > > Doshas.Nakshatra on that day was Aridra which becomes Vadha

tara

> > for

> > > Manmohan Singh Ji.This another affliction.Yoga was Shula which

is

> > > malefic one.Chandra is with a Krura planet in 9th.causing

another

> > > affliction. Lagna lord Shukra (V) is another affliction along

> with

> > > Krura Grahas is still a affliction.Surya,the Rajya Karaka Graha

> is

> > in

> > > 8th causing another affliction.Budha,the planet of intellect is

> > > afflicted by Rahu ,both being in same Nakshatra Pada of

Bharani -

> > > 1st. Muhurta on that day is 30th which is called Maruta or wind

> and

> > > Nakshatra Nadika ( 1 Ghati or 24 Minutes ) is 43rd by name

> Ashwini

> > > which indicates failures.Also as per Kala Prakashika, an

ancient

> > > classic on Muhurta tells, Kanya,Tula and Vrischika Lagnas

should

> be

> > > > avoided for swearing - in or coronation Muhurtas. Here the

> Lagna

> > > is Tula and so it is another Dosha.Guru is in 11th Vargothama

but

> > is

> > > not in any Kendra or it does not aspect Lagna. Also Guru's sign

> > > dispositor Surya is in 8th from Muhurta Lagna and Guru also not

> > > considered strong.Hence by considering all these factors, the

> > Muhurta

> > > chart is very weak.So when Surya trasnits over Simha Rashi ie.,

> > > between Aug.15 to Sept.14,there may be some troubles to the

Prime

> > > Minister to rule the country from his own allies.

> > > > I am not going to analyse his natal chart as the birth time

is

> > not

> > > correct and needs rectification.

> > > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> > > > Ramadas Rao.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > "R.C.Srivastava" <swami_rcs> wrote:

> > > > Dear list members,

> > > > Dr Manmohan Singh has just taken oath at 17:32:30 ISTon

> > > > 22 may 2004,Libra is rising and degree indicates vargottam

> lagna.

> > > > Lagna is chara and shirsodaya.Since birth time known is 14

hrs

> > > > and yet to be rectified Therefore a observation as per

> principals

> > > > of Muhurat will be in order.

> > > >

> > > > Rasi

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> > > > | \ / Ra \ / Md |

> > > > | \ / \ / VeR |

> > > > |AL x Me x Ma Mo |

> > > > | / \ / \ Sa |

> > > > | / \ / \ Gk |

> > > > | / \ / \ |

> > > > | / \ / Su \ |

> > > > | / \ / HL \ |

> > > > +--------------+

> > > >

> > > > Oath Dr MMSingh PM

> > > >

> > > > Natal Chart

> > > >

> > > > May 22, 2004

> > > > Time:

> > > > 17:32:30

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > >

> > > > Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"

> > > > Delhi,

> > > > India

> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Tarana - Jyeshtha

> > > >

> > > > Tithi: Sukla Tritiya (Ma) (0.91% left)

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

> > > > Nakshatra:Aardra (Ra) (47.19% left)

> > > >

> > > > Yoga: Soola (Ju)

> > > > Karana: Garija (Ju)

> > > >

> > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Vi)

> > > > Mahakala Hora:

> > > > Venus (5 min sign: Sg)

> > > > Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Venus)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sunrise: 5:30:50

> > > > Sunset: 19:05:04

> > > >

> > > > Janma Ghatis: 30.0693

> > > >

> > > > Ayanamsa: 23-54-54.71

> > > >

> > > > --------------------

> > > >

> > > > The simple analysis is as below

> > > > Mode A ( muhurat element) Uttaryana jyestha month Shukla

> paksha

> > is

> > > > OK for coronation- oath taking purposes.Ardra Nakashtra is

not

> > > favourable

> > > > but it is janma nakshtra of Dr MM Singh and therefore is

> > acceptable

> > > > in Coronation ceremony.Thithi is odd tritya. Day is Saturday

> not

> > > > appreciated but a section of people customary think joining

> post

> > it

> > > > is ok and give stability however it is not supported by

> > scriptures.

> > > > Libra in ascendent being shirshodya is well but a very vital

> dosa

> > > > exist. Lagna bindu( cusp of Ascendent) is very closly

afflicted

> > > > by Ketu-Rahu Axis Difference of one degree is dangerous for

> > > longevity

> > > > of prime ministership.

> > > > Apparently time is not chosen well may be a compulsion?,

> otherwise

> > > > Sun in eight house is another negative factor. as per

shastras

> > king

> > > > is likly to be adversely affected on health front and

> affliction

> > of

> > > > Lagna , coupled with absence of Benefic in Kendra trikona(

> > barring

> > > Mer

> > > > that is vitiated by Rahu, a eunch planet in Seventh kendra of

> > > Parteners

> > > > -hip as sixth lord where mool trikona sign rests is

disquiting

> > > features,

> > > > The tendecy of such a configuration may indicate fall from

> power

> > > under

> > > > dictates of partners in power.No malefics are in 3,6 and 11

th

> > > house.

> > > > Mode 2 ( relationship to natal chart)

> > > > For the time being natal chart with time of birth 14 Hrs

place

> > > > gah(now in pakistan) 72 E 39: 33N03 5.30 E of GMT is taken.

> > > > In gochar incidently only Sun the significator of power is

> > > adversely

> > > > transiting Nidhan star but luckly moon mars sat and ketu are

in

> > > Janma

> > > > and mercury jupitar and rahu are passing in saadhan star.

> > > > Sun hora is good but nadika exhibits Failur in dispute with

> > > relatives

> > > > and coworkers.Tara bala is missing it is vadha so overall

> > picture

> > > is

> > > > not encouraging.

> > > > mode 3 ( consideration based on Av and misc techniques)

> > > > As per vidhya bhavan school( other being sjvc scool)For oath

> > > > taking- coronation relates to Tenth house and thus strength

of

> > Lagna

> > > > Lord, Tenth lord and Moon is very important.

> > > > Lagna has only 23 Bindu while tenth has only28 Bindus it

shows

> > lack

> > > of

> > > > strengith of Lagnesh as well of Tenth lord.obviousaly it is

> > > disappinting

> > > > Eight has sun with 17 Bindus how to interpret more experience

> is

> > > needed

> > > > luckily eleventh has geater Bindus than tenth. it is good.

> > > > BAV situation is also not appreciable. Lagnesh ( lagna lord)

> has

> > > > contributed only two bindus to karya bhava whereas tenth lord

> has

> > > contributed 5 bindus.

> > > > Since both way it is not good Very hard work done by king

will

> > not

> > > give

> > > > good impression to co- power sharer.

> > > > Lastly tajik yogas gives a clear dismial picture. Venus the

> Lagna

> > > lord

> > > > is Retrograde and about 12 degree away so no Tajak yoga is

> > formed

> > > between

> > > > karyesh and lagnesh but motion indicates turbulant

> continuation

> > > for about

> > > > 13 month after that what happens is worth learning in

situation

> > of

> > > planets

> > > > as they exist at time of oath taking.

> > > > One hope every thing goes well.Hari om tatsat

> > > > RCSrivastava.

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