Brahmacharya ......Basics Forgotten ?? Sri Mukund

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Atmasnehi Sri Mukund,

 

The undersigned wrote that piece in jest but the message was serious.

This world of Knowledge is full of most beautiful things of varied

colours and beauty.

 

We often make the mistake of viewing the world through conceptual

coloured glasses , thereby missing all the beauty around us, as we

see things of a particular hue only.

 

A sword remains useful as long as a whetstone is available.

Healty opposition to a concept or an idea results in growth of

knowledge about that thing.

 

But the condition is , the sword should be rubbed on the whetstone.

Knowledgable friends should have an open mind and take part in

healthy discussions even if the idea or the thought is foreign for

them to accept.

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

wrote:

> Hello all--Sarabani, Chandrashekar, Laxmi, et all:

>

> You guys are crazy, I know decent Sanskrit and "Guhya" has two

> meanings, these are : Secret or secretive AND hidden or something

> THAT should be hidden.

>

> Rather than enter into meaningless and ridiculous discussions about

> vagina, labia, clitoris, phallus, anus, etc. etc., why can't we

> accept the stated meaning, i.e. organs that should be hidden and

such

> organs would be one's private parts.

>

> I'm sure that at the time when BPHS was written, men and women

didn't

> walk around NAKED--they at least covered their groin area--even the

> ancient Hindu/Indian paintings and sculptures we see, depict both

men

> and women with cloth/covering around the waist/groin area AND both

> men and women are depicted bare-breasted. This tells us that at the

> time Parashara wrote BPHS, both men and women covered their groin

> area with cloth.

>

> This further tells us that Guhya means the organs or the area of

the

> body that SHOULD BE HIDDEN.

>

> Now, stop all this craziness about minute description and

> classification of various excretory and reproductive organs--Don't

> you guys GET IT!!!!! irrespective of whether the function is

> EXCRETORY or REPRODUCTIVE, these have to be hidden/covered!!!!

>

> OR Do you guys pick and choose which one of your reproductory or

> excretory organ you hide from public or display to the public based

> on their Karakatatwa.

>

> I'm sure there is no confusion as to what area of the human body

> represents Scorpio--it is very clear that Scorpio represents the

> ENTIRE Groin and buttocks area and Scorpio is "Guhya" so this area

of

> the body should be covered/hidden from public display.

>

> Well, at least something funny came out of this--"Nameisego" wrote

a

> really funny dialouge between Shiv and Parvati on this subject.

> And, "amolmandar" wrote a really funny response. -- made me laugh

to

> my heart's content, laughter is good for the soul.

>

> Mukund

>

> vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<boxdel>

> wrote:

> > Dear Sarbani,

> > Yes, you are absolutely right. That is what the Sage refers to in

> the

> > relevant shloka. Thank you for your patience.

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Sarbani Sarkar wrote:

> >

> > >Chandrashekharji,

> > >

> > >>From what we understood, sexual organs are represented by both

> Libra and

> > >Scorpio. And guhya includes both sexual organs and the anus. The

> > >classification is between what is guhya and what is not guhya

and

> not

> > >between reproductive and excretory organs.

> > >

> > >Best regards,

> > >

> > >Sarbani

> > >

> > >

> > >Chandrashekhar [boxdel]

> > >Friday, June 18, 2004 11:34 PM

> > >V.Partha sarathy

> > >Cc: vedic astrology

> > >Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Brahmacharya ......Basics

> Forgotten ??

> > >

> > >Dear Partha,

> > >Nobody is denying that Scorpio is Guhya. The trouble is with

> interpretation

> > >of what constitutes Guhya. This in respect of organs of

> Kalapurusha, is

> > >being discussed. Some are equating Guhya with Anus but not

sexual

> organs.

> > >Therefore it is the physical organs which are being discussed.

Its

> being

> > >house of occult or hidden things, death or ancestral property,

are

> in other

> > >context altogether.

> > >

> > >Narasimha quoted other authorities just to indicate the meaning

of

> the word

> > >Guhya used by Parashara. Unfortunately many are missing the

point

> that if

> > >8th is not the sexual organ of Kalapurusha, then he would be

> without sexual

> > >organs. Certainly not something Parashara could have intended to

> say.

> > >Trust this clears the matter,

> > >Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >V.Partha sarathy wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >>Dear Chandrashekharji, Narasimha and list

> > >>

> > >>I am not participating as i dont understand Sanskrit. But i

have

> only

> > >>one doubt. You all may be right as far as quoting the

> Varahamihiras

> > >>and other venerable writers, but the doubt is 8th house is

> normally

> > >>called the Hidden house, the house of occult. the 8th house of

> natural

> > >>Kalapurusha is Scorpio, so shouldn't scorpio be Guhya?

> > >>best wishes

> > >>partha

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> <boxdel>

> > >>wrote:

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>Dear Prabodh,

> > >>>Could you quote the shloka and the chapter where the shloka is

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>located

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>in BPHS, or at least the shloka? Also read Narasimha's mail.

> > >>>Chandrashekhar.

> > >>>

> > >>>amolmandar wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>>Dear Chandrashekahr ji Namste

> > >>>>

> > >>>>I did not mean anything like that. I was just pointing out

that

> > >>>>Parashara attributtted karakatva

> of 'Satva','Sheela',and 'Brahma'

> > >>>>with Kuja. Since Sheela is to do or to practice i.e Aacharan.

> The

> > >>>>stava(strength/naturalness) required to practice(Sheela)

brahma

> > >>>>(Brahmachari) is under the domain of Kuja. So Brahmacharya

> comes

> > >>>>under the domain of Kuja. Where is the contradiction ? Why

did

> you

> > >>>>feel that I wanted to suggest that Parashara did not know

what

> he

> > >>>>was talking about?

> > >>>>

> > >>>>Being Tamasik is the 'Guna' and not 'karakatva' of mars. This

> is

> > >>>>what I understand. I did not understand your

statement "these

> are

> > >>>>not mental attributes of those planets." What does it mean?

> > >>>>

> > >>>>Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>Prabodh Vekhande

> > >>>>

> > >>>>vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >><boxdel>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>>wrote:

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>Dear Prabodh,

> > >>>>>If I may interfere, do you mean Parashara did not know what

he

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>was

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>>>talking about when he called Kuja as a Tamasik planet? Satva

in

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>the

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>shloka you refer to relates to strength, as does Veerya to

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>semen,

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>>these

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>are not mental attributes of those planets.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>Chandrashekhar.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>amolmandar wrote:

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>Dear Noname Namste

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>Going to Basics....

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>Parashara in the begining of Grahaswaroopadhya says

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>that "satvam

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>>>>kujo" and "Bhrugu veerya pradayak" in the shloka 13 and 14.

So

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>karak

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>for satva is Kuja. Parashara as well attributies karakatva

of

> > >>>>>>"Sheel"(aachar) and "Brahma" with Kuja. So Brahmachari

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>(Brahma

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>>>>aacharti eeti Brahmachari) is Brahmasheel. This means that

> > >>>>>>Brahmachaya attributed to Kuja is correct as far as BPHS is

> > >>>>>>concerned. SO when you say that basic requirement for

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>brahmachari is

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>satvaguna, you should take into consideration karatava for

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>stava

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>>and

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>not the grahas with satvaguna as Kuja is tamogunik but satva

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>karak

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>where as Guru is satvaguna but putra karak and as well Niyog

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>karak.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>Moroeover Satva means naturalness or swabhavadharma. To

retain

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>that

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>one has to exert and kuja provides that required courage

and

> > >>>>>>strength. True Brahmachari will have lot of Teja which is

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>again

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>>>>attributed to Kuja. So I think Brhanacharya should be

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>attributed

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>>to

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>Kuja.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>Just thought of expreesing in this 'basically forgotten'

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>discussion!

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>I am junior level student in the jyotish and list. Correct

me

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>if

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>>>>found any thing illlogical.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>Prabodh Vekhande

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>vedic astrology, "nameisego"

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>><nameisego>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>wrote:

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>Dear Friends,

> > >>>>>>>Every single individual has overlooked the basic quality

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>requirement

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>for a person to become celebate or Brahmachari.

> > >>>>>>>Friends, Basic requirement to be a Brahmachari is

SATVAGUNA.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>How should a satvik horoscope look?

> > >>>>>>>The answer is clearly given in BPHS and it corroborates

this

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>beings

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>writing about Moon, Sun and Jupiter (As lord of Dhanur

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>Rasi) as

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>>>>>primary requirement to make a person satvik.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>Please refer ,

> > >>>>>>>Chapter 77 sloka 1,

> > >>>>>>>It says that predominance of Satvik planets in a horoscope

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>(Moon,

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>Sun

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>and Jupiter) makes a person SATVIK.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>Here, Satvik Brahmacharya which is Brahmacharya in true

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>sense,means

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>one who is a Brahmachari with Mind, Body and soul.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>While writing on Brahmacharya , this being had written

that,

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>"Being celibate is a matter of choice. It has to do with

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>MANAS

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>>and

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>PRAGNA. Pragna is ruled by Guru.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>Mind is represented by Moon, "Chandrama Manaso Jatah" .

> > >>>>>>>Mind is equated to a MONKEY (Shall I say Hanuman ?).

> > >>>>>>>Hanuman represents control over Mind resulting into being

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>JITENDRIYA

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>..Pragna is ruled by Guru.

> > >>>>>>>And Atman is represented by Surya.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>Unless Pragna is sthira and Manas is controlled,

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>Brahmacharya

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>>is

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>impossible.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>True Brahamacharya is depicted by SHIVA , It is Shiva who

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>burnt

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>>>>>Kamadeva and not Hanuman." Shiva is Adi Guru.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>Atma, represented by Surya and Manas represented by Moon

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>along

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>>>>with

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>Guru (As owner of Dhanur Rasi) play most important part in

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>making

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>a

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>person celebate.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>Lot many knowledgable friends discussed the karakatwa of

> > >>>>>>>Brahmacharya and one friend actually wrote that there is no

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>Karaka

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>for Brahmacharya. Sadashiv (Guru as DhanurRasi lord with

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>Ketu's in

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>Gunas) should be accepted as Karaka for Bramacharya.)

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>So when BPHS has given the proof, it is hopd that all

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

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> > >>

> > >>

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> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>group should have no objection in at least admitting

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>undersigned

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>>>>person's arguments.

> > >>>>>>>

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