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There are 9 messages in this issue.Topics in this digest:1. Jayalalita's

Intentions from Chart -Reply"vishwanatham" 2. Re: Remedy for Guru

Chandala Yoga"reema_sriganesh" 3. Re: Karma vs. Spiritual Practice - Free

Will - Bhagavat Gita"Sabri" 4. Re: Hamsa Yoga Bhanga of Jayalalitha

"vijayadas_pradeep" 5. Re: Jayalalita's Intentions from Chart -Reply

"vijayadas_pradeep"

6. Re: geographical positions Europe"Abhi" 7. Musharrafjagmeet s

dheendsa 8. Re: Fw: The of Arrest His Holiness Shankaracharya of Kanchi

"V. Sreelatha" 9. Re: Fw: The of Arrest His Holiness Shankaracharya of

Kanchi

sanjay (AT) shreem (DOT) com__________Message:

1 Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:11:02 -0000"vishwanatham" Subject:

Jayalalita's Intentions from Chart -ReplyHare Rama KrishnaDear Pradeep,Allow me

to jump in!i understand your neutrality. Inadvertantly, you said something about

Jayalalithaa not granting bail (in your previous mail). That is the worst fear!!

Politicians, CMs', interference in

judiciary.When it is state vs an individual, it is the individual who is weaker

and our sympathies are with the individual. This confirms to the basic tenet

that no one is guilty till the crime is proved beyond doubt. Fundamental rights

should not be curtailed until such time that a substantial portion of the crime

is establised.Not that, charged and put behind bars, without bail etc.,Yes to

prosecution etc., because under constitution it is Not exempted for the

Religious heads (unlike state governors etc., !)Once again, i appreciate your

neutrality.regardsviswanadham

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2 Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:19:04 -0000"reema_sriganesh" Re:

Remedy for Guru Chandala YogaNamaste

Viswanadham Ji,Very true. According to Pt. Rath, chanting Gayatri mantra i.e.

prayingSurya will help negate the effects of Guru Chandal. Regular

prataaHsandhya vandanam will be very good for such individuals, IMHO.You said -

An exalted Rahu is excited about doing/harming the Guru! Can this be extended to

neecha Rahu? I.e. can we say that a neechaRahu conjoining Guru in Dhanus can

hardly harm Guru?Kindly comment.May Sri Vishnu bless us all,Reema.--- In

vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"wrote:> > Hare Rama Krishna> >

Dear Ivar,> > An exalted Rahu is excited about doing/harming the Guru!> >

Generally, when Guru is under attack it is the King (Sun), who can > save him.

So, strengthening Sun can be considered. > > The child is too small to do

anything, just wait & watch as the child > grows up. >

> regards> viswanadham> vedic astrology, "Ivar Verploegh"

> wrote:> > > > > You mentioned about Guru & Rahu together in one house in > > >

your child's chart.> > > > It's an interesting chart, especially if you compare

it to mine. > Here > > are his data:> > > > Thadeus Verploegh> > 00:37 > >

19-11-2001 (yes, almost 3 years old!)> > Lelystad, The Netherlands (1 hour East

of Greenwich, 52N31, 5E27)> > Lagna at 14 degrees Simha.> > > >

Ivar__________Message:

3 Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:48:25 -0000"Sabri" Re: Karma vs.

Spiritual Practice - Free Will

- Bhagavat GitaDear Vishwanadham, Namaste,Thanks for your reply and the

important points you have raised;"becoming aware of our true self" I beleive is

the curucial point, which again I beleive is possible through practices like

Meditation, Sadhana, Prayer, Poojas, Yoga, Religious Practices done in the

authentic manner, in fact any method that allows us to transcend relativity and

get in touch with the transcendant reality.This I beleive will allow one to

slowly get out of the grips of karma, desires and their consequences,

ultimately leading to salvation from the cycle of death and rebirth. That's why

I beleive the Gita is placing so much emphasis on Dharma for the good of the

individual and the society.Relevant lines from the Gita, if I am remembering

correctly;Naastrigunya BhavArjunaBe without the tri-gunas O, Arjuna(Tri-gunas;

the relative phase of life, transcend and go beyond the

tri-gunas)Yogastha Kuru KarmaniEstablished in Yoga, from there perform

action(Yoga; Union with the transcendental reality of life, beyond the three

Gunas, be established in the transcendant and perform action from there which

will be automatically good for one's self and the society)Thanks and best

wishes, Sabri.vedic astrology, "vishwanatham" wrote:> >

Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Friends,> > i like to quote a paragraph from a book i

like to read again and > again, "Coming Back" based on the teachings of the

founder acharya of > ISCON > > in the book you are asked Not to come back!)> >

> " During our lifetime we are unknowingly creating the subtle form of > our

next physical body. Just as a caterpilar transports itself by > taking hold of

one leaf before giving up another, the

living entity > begins to prepare its new body before giving up the present one.

At > the moment of actual death the soul transmigrates to a new body > rendering

the body of its former habitation lifeless. The soul does > not need the body to

exist, but without the presence of the soul, the > body is nothing more than a

corpse......" (pp 112)> > > > So, by becoming aware of our true self, we'll

able to free ourselves > more and more OR by being guided by our mind/body, we

can bind > ourselves more and more. > > So, the question is truly the will of

"who?" > > Regards> viswanadham> > > > vedic astrology,

"Sabri" wrote:> > > > Dear Sundeep, Namaste,> > > > Some thoughts;> > You are

perfectly right in pointing out to the need to define the

> > meaning of "terms" in such a (philosophical) matter, indeed > language > >

and logic are the tools of philosophy and they should be used > > correctly or

one is lost.> > > > "Free Will" in this context, my personal thinking, is about

who is > > giving the decision to act in a certain way. Is it "me" who decides >

> to go this way and face a certain consequence, or the effect of > past > >

karma that puts this thought in my mind, and I go that way and face > > that

same consequence. Since karma is coming back to us, it appears > > that at

least some of our thoughts should be predetermined, e.g. we > > think we are

giving the decision, but in fact these thoughts we are > > having are already

determined. OR it is arranged so that, when we > > are to face a consequence,

whatever the decision we take, life is

> > arranged so that we end up facing the same or similar consequence. > > The

matter is actually quite complicated, as is said in the > > Gita; "Unfathomable

is the course of action", e.g. we never know > the > > intricate details of how

nature works, e.g. life unfolds before us. > > Whether someghing specific is

due to karma or our own decision, or > > if karma, because of which previous

deed etc.> > > > As man evolves further and further, he gains more of

free-will, > e.g. > > to make decisions on his own, not based on previous

karmic effects, > > is another thought.> > > > But it is always good to ponder

and discuss over these issues. I > > myself very surprisingly found some new

things, while looking at > > Bhagavat Gita, to post some excerpts.> > > > One

further thought, as one evolves

further and further same > > realities, or same pieces of knowledge gain newer

meanings and > > dimensions. So we can never say this is exactly like that,

some > time > > later, we can turn back and look at the same matter, and

discover > > some new dimensions, realities or truths, that were not apparent

or > > there before. This is simply because with evolution comes wider and > >

better faculty of understanding of the same old reality. One saying > > goes;

"There is nothing new under the sun" but we only see part of > > it.> > > >

Best wishes, Sabri.> > > > > > vedic astrology,

"vedicastrostudent" > > wrote:> > > > > > Dear Sabri, Ivar, all,> > > > > >

Everyone is so sure that they *know* what free will is. Anyone

> > care > > > to define "free will"? First you have to define free will and >

then > > > only can you discuss whether it exists or not. In careful > thought,

> > I > > > have discovered free will isnt so easy to recognize. Most people > >

> simply call free will the ability to follow the desire that is > > > topmost

in their head. If you get to marry the man or woman you > > like, > > > or get

the chance to earn a degree in the profession you like, or > > get > > > to eat

the food you like, or get to buy the house you like, or > get > > to > > >

converse with the people you like, or live in the country you > > like, > > >

or get to follow any of a thousand other desires, you are > > convinced > > >

you have free will. If you don't, then you complain

that you > don't > > > have free will. To me, we first have see - "Is the desire

free > > > *itself*?" I hardly find a single desire that arises freely. > Every

> > > desire arises as a consequence of something else. > > > > > > You want to

marry a man or woman you like because of physical > > > attraction which again

happens due to your biological and mental > > > makeup. It isnt a choice,

simply a consequence of your physical > > and > > > mental makeup. Similarly

with all other desires. My suspicion is > > > that "free will" as mentioned in

the sacred texts, DOES NOT even > > > refer to the "choices" of the mind. They

are all bound and part > of > > a > > > chain, it doesnt matter which one you

get to follow. Once the > mind > > > follows a desire, it is

ALREADY BOUND, not free! Free will, I > > think, > > > is to do only with

choosing to NOT jump headlong into following a > > > desire. The only choice

that is offered to us in life is that at > > all > > > times, you have the

ability to not get carried away by desire. If > > you > > > exercise that

choice, you have exercised free will. If you dont, > > you > > > havent. Bill

Gates isnt exercising free will, he is simply > > succumbing > > > to one or

more of the desires that present themselves in his > mind. > > > Witness the

following statements:> > > 1) In the Bhagavad Gita, I interpret the following

statement as > > > hinting at the above idea (though not directly) - lust is >

> essentially > > > desire:> > > "The Blessed Lord said: It is lust only,

Arjuna, which is born of > > > contact with the material modes of passion and

later transformed > > into > > > wrath, and which is the all-devouring, sinful

enemy of this > world" > > > > > > 2) Jiddu Krishnamurti - one of the few

people that have ever > lived > > > whose life was moksha in itself:> > >

"Freedom is not a reaction; freedom is not a choice. It is man's > > > pretense

that because he has choice he is free. Freedom is pure > > > observation without

direction, without fear of punishment and > > reward. > > > Freedom is without

motive; freedom is not at the end of the > > evolution > > > of man but lies in

the first step of his existence. In > observation > > > one begins to discover

the lack of freedom. Freedom is found in > > the > > >

choiceless awareness of our daily existence and activity"> > > > > > > > > It is

only after we realize what free will is that it makes sense > > to > > >

discover it in astrological charts. Even if someone tells that x > > and > > >

y houses are those of free will - what is the free will that they > > > show?>

> > > > >

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4 Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:31:41 -0000"vijayadas_pradeep" Re:

Hamsa Yoga Bhanga of JayalalithaDear SunilI am not aware of any such.Kindly

elaborate and help me in understanding this.Pradeep--- In

vedic astrology, Sunil John

wrote:> Dear Pradeep & PVR,> In our vedic astrology is there something called

Hamsa Yoga Bhanga (Cancellation of Yoga) and is it happening in Jayalalitha's

chart. I am using these details, i presume this is the correct chart.> > >

Jayalalitha> February 24, 1948> Time: 14:34:00> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East

of GMT)> Longitude: 80 E 18' 00"> Latitude: 13 N 05' 00"> > Regards,> > Sunil

John> Mumbai> > > > > The

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5 Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:34:50 -0000"vijayadas_pradeep" Re:

Jayalalita's

Intentions from Chart -ReplyDear Viswanatham jiThanks for your mail and

comments.I believe the respective state governments have authority to grant

bail or parole for individuals undergoing Police custody. Thus the TN

government is having authority to grant the same.Your views regarding prolonged

imprisonment ,without trial and thereby denial of justice is correct. Justice

delayed is justice denied.My first mail was pointing towards the necessity of

impartiality. Thetrue meaning of Secularism should be exercised, which

unfortunately has not been the case always, in the past.Judiciary , Executive

and Legislature has to have a rhythm andproportion for effective functioning of

the State.Ideally Police should be given free hand without political

intervention.But experience shows ,due to lack of maturity, the freedom is

misused in majority of cases, thereby making police stations a place of

fear for common man.ThanksPradeepvedic astrology,

"vishwanatham" wrote:> > Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Pradeep,> > Allow me to jump

in!> > i understand your neutrality. Inadvertantly, you said something about >

Jayalalithaa not granting bail (in your previous mail). That is the > worst

fear!! Politicians, CMs', interference in judiciary.> > When it is state vs an

individual, it is the individual who is > weaker and our sympathies are with

the individual. This confirms to > the basic tenet that no one is guilty till

the crime is proved beyond > doubt. Fundamental rights should not be curtailed

until such time > that a substantial portion of the crime is establised.> > Not

that, charged and put behind bars, without bail etc.,> > Yes to prosecution

etc., because

under constitution it is Not > exempted for the Religious heads (unlike state

governors etc., !)> > Once again, i appreciate your neutrality.> > regards>

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6 Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:56:55 +0200"Abhi" Re: geographical

positions EuropeTry this

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7 Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:43:11 -0500jagmeet s dheendsa Subject:

MusharrafDear friends,Even astrologers who base their forecasts on the

movements of theplanets see lot of trouble for the General, more assassination

attemptsand advise him to sacrifice a black goat every Thursday until Ides

ofMarch is over to minimize the ill-effects of the hostile stars on him.

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8 Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:53:38 -0000"V. Sreelatha"

Re: Fw: The of Arrest His Holiness Shankaracharya of KanchiDear

Narasimha Ji and other esteemed members of the group,Could you please suggest a

prayer to ensure that justice prevails in this case. Although I believe

completely in divine justice, I am not all that enthusiastic about the

impartiality of our courts. Money, power, corruption, sheer apathy and cruelty

have the upper hand all too often. It is true, the prayer of one person may not

make a difference, but then again, why doubt the Lord that comes rushing to the

aid of even his elephant devotee. Thanks,Venkatarama Sreelatha

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9 Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:47:29 -0000sanjay (AT) shreem (DOT) comSubject: Re: Fw:

The of Arrest His

Holiness Shankaracharya of Kanchi|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear

Sreelatha,http://www.kamakoti.org/ gives pujas performed by the devotees in

this regard.Warm RegardsSanjay POm Tat Sat--- In

vedic astrology, "V. Sreelatha" wrote:> > Dear Narasimha Ji and

other esteemed members of the group,> > Could you please suggest a prayer to

ensure that justice prevails in > this case. Although I believe completely in

divine justice, I am not > all that enthusiastic about the impartiality of our

courts. Money, > power, corruption, sheer apathy and cruelty have the upper

hand all > too often. It is true, the prayer of one person may not make a ===

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