Sanjay ji's open-mindedness (More on Scorpio and Guhya......AMEN)

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Dear Nameisego,

 

I must correct your misrepresentation. Often we forget the thread of the

argument. This discussion was originally between Visti, Chandrashekharji and

Narasimha. Visti was arguing rather vehemently and adamantly with the other

two, and quoting Sanjayji at every point to buffer his argument. Narasimha

as a result wondered whether Visti had correctly understood what Sanjayji

was teaching on that particular matter. He said that if Visti was correct

then Sanjayji obviously differed from the classics regarding the subject

under discussion. I entered the conversation as I was partially present when

Sanjayji was teaching Visti and others and was trying to recall what might

have been said. The subject is related to Libra and Scorpio. This led me and

Chandrashekharji to discuss anatomy, although he being an elderly person was

reluctant about it but I dragged him into it.... And it is through these

discussions that we often discover how little we know. Look at the

discussions on mutrashaya etc. The reason we mentioned about Sanjayji's

opinion is that we were curious to know, what it is that he was teaching

about Libra and Scorpio...I suppose it is all right with you if we are

curious?

 

Best regards,

 

Sarbani

 

 

nameisego [nameisego]

Tuesday, June 22, 2004 7:00 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Sanjay ji's open-mindedness (Re: More on Scorpio

and Guhya......AMEN)

 

 

Dear Sri Narasimha,

Eventhough no name is refered in your post about Sri Sanjay, it is

easy to gauge that the undersigned's posting is refered.

 

In actuality, it was forced upon this being to ask if Sarbaniji and

Chandrashekhar ji would accept Sri Sanjay ji's words as last in the

arguement about Guhyanga Parbhasha.

 

No amount of convincing them would let discussion on matters of

minutest details of Male and Feamale genitalia and process of

reproduction, come to rest .

 

Even posting a relatively light humoured piece in form of Dailogue

between Shiva and Parvati had no effect. On the contrary, Prabodh ji

had a dig at undersigned's many names.

 

 

This being may be knowing less astrology principles than most of the

group but what is known is correct.(They very reason why the

undersigned is here is to learn. The process of learning is a bit

like Ekalavya)

 

 

Speaking about Sri Sanjay and yourself, when someone posted bad

remarks about both of you, (Pl refer Partha's posting), this being

was the first to defend.

 

It is hoped that a fresher life would be introduced in discussion

about Karakatva and domain affairs of Rasis and Planets.

 

It is hoped that it is understood that the intention was not to

question authority of anyone's mastery over Astrology knowledge.

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste nameless friend,

>

> If one thinks that Sanjay ji is a typical egoistic guru who

surrounds himself with sycophants and expects people to always agree

with him, one is badly mistakened.

>

> Sanjay ji is the most learned Jyotish scholar and the greatest

authority in Jyotish today and yet he always said (to me atleast)

that his knowledge need not be perfect (even though it is far more

perfect than anybody else's). He encouraged me (and others I am sure)

to dissect his teachings, to really understand them and disagree when

needed. He is a totally open-minded and ego-less guru.

>

> As members from the old times may recall, he gave me (and others)

an opportunity to argue with him here many times before. In fact,

there were even occasions when he changed his views after an

argument. An example is the Moola dasa starting point argument.

Because Varahamihira and Kalyana Verma were so unambiguous on it, I

publicly disagreed with Sanjay ji and had a heated argument on

whether Sun can be the starting point for Moola dasa apart from lagna

and Moon. Sanjay ji accepted my view publicly after about a year. It

is a proof of his greatness, humility and open-mindedness.

>

> Of course, some obedient and loyal students of Sanjay ji may take

his word as the LAST WORD and prefer to ignore other ancient

authorities. It is a valid stand. Whenever you have a savant of the

stature of Sanjay ji, invariably such following develops. But you

have to bear in mind that Sanjay ji himself is quite open. The most

important thing is that Sanjay ji encourages students like me who

question some of his teachings publicly and does not treat us with

suspicion or scorn like some other egoistic gurus may be inclined to

do. Though I have a mind of my own and questioned Sanjay ji many

times, he was always so kind and affectionate to me and gave me so

much! In fact, he explicitly told me to maintain the same spirit of

questioning and finding the Truth.

>

> Sorry for being long, but I really wanted to clarify this, as some

new people may be tempted to think that Sanjay ji does not tolerate

different views.

>

> If I have misrepresented Sanjay ji in any way, I beg your pardon.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

> PS: Another point is that it is not always easy to gauge what

exactly Sanjay ji thinks or believes in. He dislikes spoon-feeding.

There were occasions when he taught me incorrectly and corrected

himself with lit up eyes when I confronted him with the correct logic

after a few months. What he teaches you depends on what he thinks you

are ready for. Thus, what he teaches you is a reflection of what he

thinks about your level more than what he knows or thinks. His

actions and motivations are very tough to understand, as he operates

on a totally different intellectual plane than most of us.

>

> > Lerned Gurus,

> >

> > And when Sri Sanjay gives his opinion, will it be the LAST WORD?

> >

> > Curious to know....

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > > Sarbani Sarkar wrote:

> > >

> > > >Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > >

> > > >I am as confused...I just hope Sanjayji quickly replies to us

and

> > shares his

> > > >thoughts...I know he is busy with his papers for the coming

> > trips...but,

> > > >still...

> > > >

> > > >Best regards,

> > > >

> > > >Sarbani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Om Gurave Namah ~ Bhalchandraya Hum

Dear No name,

If you are actually here to learn then please dont waste any

more time and start actually learning.The first thing you need to learn is to be

more comfortable with yourself as a person.You sound like someone who constantly

needs approval from others and need to prove to others how much you already

know.To be able to receive knowledge one must bow down to the Guru.Learn to

respect and be humble.After this first lesson knowledge will come easily to

you.

All the best.

Kanupriya.

 

>"nameisego" <nameisego > >vedic astrology

>[vedic astrology] Sanjay ji's open-mindedness (Re: More on Scorpio

and Guhya......AMEN) >Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:30:09 -0000 > > >Dear Sri

Narasimha, >Eventhough no name is refered in your post about Sri Sanjay, it is

>easy to gauge that the undersigned's posting is refered. > >In actuality, it

was forced upon this being to ask if Sarbaniji and >Chandrashekhar ji would

accept Sri Sanjay ji's words as last in the >arguement about Guhyanga

Parbhasha. > >No amount of convincing them would let discussion on matters of

>minutest details of Male and Feamale genitalia and process of >reproduction,

come to rest . > >Even posting a relatively light humoured piece in form of

Dailogue >between Shiva and Parvati had no effect. On the contrary, Prabodh ji

>had a dig at undersigned's many names. > > >This being may be knowing less

astrology principles than most of the >group but what is known is correct.(They

very reason why the >undersigned is here is to learn. The process of learning is

a bit >like Ekalavya) > > >Speaking about Sri Sanjay and yourself, when someone

posted bad >remarks about both of you, (Pl refer Partha's posting), this being

>was the first to defend. > >It is hoped that a fresher life would be

introduced in discussion >about Karakatva and domain affairs of Rasis and

Planets. > >It is hoped that it is understood that the intention was not to

>question authority of anyone's mastery over Astrology knowledge. > >Tatvam-Asi

> > > >vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

><pvr@c...> wrote: > > Namaste nameless friend, > > > > If one thinks that

Sanjay ji is a typical egoistic guru who >surrounds himself with sycophants and

expects people to always agree >with him, one is badly mistakened. > > > >

Sanjay ji is the most learned Jyotish scholar and the greatest >authority in

Jyotish today and yet he always said (to me atleast) >that his knowledge need

not be perfect (even though it is far more >perfect than anybody else's). He

encouraged me (and others I am sure) >to dissect his teachings, to really

understand them and disagree when >needed. He is a totally open-minded and

ego-less guru. > > > > As members from the old times may recall, he gave me

(and others) >an opportunity to argue with him here many times before. In fact,

>there were even occasions when he changed his views after an >argument. An

example is the Moola dasa starting point argument. >Because Varahamihira and

Kalyana Verma were so unambiguous on it, I >publicly disagreed with Sanjay ji

and had a heated argument on >whether Sun can be the starting point for Moola

dasa apart from lagna >and Moon. Sanjay ji accepted my view publicly after

about a year. It >is a proof of his greatness, humility and open-mindedness. >

> > > Of course, some obedient and loyal students of Sanjay ji may take >his

word as the LAST WORD and prefer to ignore other ancient >authorities. It is a

valid stand. Whenever you have a savant of the >stature of Sanjay ji,

invariably such following develops. But you >have to bear in mind that Sanjay

ji himself is quite open. The most >important thing is that Sanjay ji

encourages students like me who >question some of his teachings publicly and

does not treat us with >suspicion or scorn like some other egoistic gurus may

be inclined to >do. Though I have a mind of my own and questioned Sanjay ji

many >times, he was always so kind and affectionate to me and gave me so >much!

In fact, he explicitly told me to maintain the same spirit of >questioning and

finding the Truth. > > > > Sorry for being long, but I really wanted to clarify

this, as some >new people may be tempted to think that Sanjay ji does not

tolerate >different views. > > > > If I have misrepresented Sanjay ji in any

way, I beg your pardon. > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha

> > > > PS: Another point is that it is not always easy to gauge what >exactly

Sanjay ji thinks or believes in. He dislikes spoon-feeding. >There were

occasions when he taught me incorrectly and corrected >himself with lit up eyes

when I confronted him with the correct logic >after a few months. What he

teaches you depends on what he thinks you >are ready for. Thus, what he teaches

you is a reflection of what he >thinks about your level more than what he knows

or thinks. His >actions and motivations are very tough to understand, as he

operates >on a totally different intellectual plane than most of us. > > > > >

Lerned Gurus, > > > > > > And when Sri Sanjay gives his opinion, will it be the

LAST WORD? > > > > > > Curious to know.... > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > >

Sarbani Sarkar wrote: > > > > > > > > >Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > > > > >

>I am as confused...I just hope Sanjayji quickly replies to us >and > > > shares

his > > > > >thoughts...I know he is busy with his papers for the coming > > >

trips...but, > > > > >still... > > > > > > > > > >Best regards, > > > > > > > >

> >Sarbani > Post Classifieds on MSN classifieds. Buy and Sell on MSN

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Om Namo Narayanaya,

Dear Narasimha and others,

I perfectly support this point and agree in full. When I was in Puri, one

night, Sanjayji told me that my analyses of his 7th house in the chart was

correct, and asked me totally honestly about the opinion. This was a complete

surprise.. I mean, show me the guru who shows his chart to a shishya and

asks for an opinion? His humility and greatness are unpolluted... and those

who have spent years ( as I did) under his teaching can confirm that...

Best wishes

Zoran

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote:

Namaste nameless friend,

 

If one thinks that Sanjay ji is a typical egoistic guru who surrounds himself

with sycophants and expects people to always agree with him, one is badly

mistakened.

 

Sanjay ji is the most learned Jyotish

scholar and the greatest authority in Jyotish today and yet he always said

(to me atleast) that his knowledge need not be perfect (even though it is

far more perfect than anybody else's). He encouraged me (and others I am

sure) to dissect his teachings, to really understand them and disagree when

needed. He is a totally open-minded and ego-less guru.

 

As members from the old times may recall,

he gave me (and others) an opportunity to argue with him here many times

before. In fact, there were even occasions when he changed his views after

an argument. An example is the Moola dasa starting point argument. Because

Varahamihira and Kalyana Verma were so unambiguous on it, I publicly disagreed

with Sanjay ji and had a heated argument on whether Sun can be the starting

point for Moola dasa apart from lagna and Moon. Sanjay ji accepted my view

publicly after about a year. It is a proof of his greatness, humility and

open-mindedness.

 

Of course, some obedient and loyal students

of Sanjay ji may take his word as the LAST WORD and prefer to ignore other

ancient authorities. It is a valid stand. Whenever you have a savant of

the stature of Sanjay ji, invariably such following develops. But you have

to bear in mind that Sanjay ji himself is quite open. The most important

thing is that Sanjay ji encourages students like me who question some of

his teachings publicly and does not treat us with suspicion or scorn like

some other egoistic gurus may be inclined to do. Though I have a mind of

my own and questioned Sanjay ji many times, he was always so kind and affectionate

to me and gave me so much! In fact, he explicitly told me to maintain the

same spirit of questioning and finding the Truth.

 

Sorry for being long, but I really wanted

to clarify this, as some new people may be tempted to think that Sanjay

ji does not tolerate different views.

 

If I have misrepresented Sanjay ji in

any way, I beg your pardon.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

PS: Another point is that it is not always

easy to gauge what exactly Sanjay ji thinks or believes in. He dislikes

spoon-feeding. There were occasions when he taught me incorrectly and corrected

himself with lit up eyes when I confronted him with the correct logic after

a few months. What he teaches you depends on what he thinks you are ready

for. Thus, what he teaches you is a reflection of what he thinks about your

level more than what he knows or thinks. His actions and motivations are

very tough to understand, as he operates on a totally different intellectual

plane than most of us.

 

> Lerned Gurus,

>

> And when Sri Sanjay gives his opinion, will it be the LAST WORD?

>

> Curious to know....

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> > Sarbani Sarkar wrote:

> >

> > >Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > >

> > >I am as confused...I just hope Sanjayji quickly replies to

us and

> shares his

> > >thoughts...I know he is busy with his papers for the coming

> trips...but,

> > >still...

> > >

> > >Best regards,

> > >

> > >Sarbani

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello Group,

 

I have been reading the commentary on Scorpio and Guha for some time.

I know for some the topic went overboard and for others it was quite

interesting.

 

Whatever, everyone opinions and beliefs are important and it is wrong

to impose oneself on others. The great philosopher Immanuel Kant

wrote that human beings argue because after birth each ones acquired

knowledge is different. And how can one learn without arguing. If we

were to debate on absolute knowledge we would have never argued and

consequently not learnt. We should learn to respect each other's

opinions or interpretations whether it is PVR's, Chandrasekhar's,

Sarbani's, Sanjay's or Noname's till we reach a day when we will

learn absolute knowledge and will never have the need to argue.

 

Everyday in the evening when I download my emails and wish to learn

from the group I see these repulsing emails which have nothing to do

with what we are here for on the list.

 

I hope this email of mine does not create a chain reaction.

 

Let's concentrate on our objectives and let me conclude by a puzzle:

 

This is a natal chart of a woman.

 

Question for the Group is when will this woman get married and

whether she can procreate. This is a tough one and the answer to the

puzzle will leave many dumbfounded.

 

March 20, 1973

Time: 7:00:00 am

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 72 E 50' 00", 19 N 03' 00"

 

Mike

 

vedic astrology, Zoran Radosavljevic

<ahimsa@N...> wrote:

> Om Namo Narayanaya,

> Dear Narasimha and others,

> I perfectly support this point and agree in full. When I was in

Puri,

> one night, Sanjayji told me that my analyses of his 7th house in

the

> chart was correct, and asked me totally honestly about the opinion.

This

> was a complete surprise.. I mean, show me the guru who shows his

chart

> to a shishya and asks for an opinion? His humility and greatness

are

> unpolluted... and those who have spent years ( as I did) under his

> teaching can confirm that...

> Best wishes

> Zoran

>

> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote:

>

> > Namaste nameless friend,

> >

> > If one thinks that Sanjay ji is a typical egoistic guru who

surrounds

> > himself with sycophants and expects people to always agree with

him,

> > one is badly mistakened.

> >

> >

> >

> > Sanjay ji is the most learned Jyotish scholar and the greatest

> > authority in Jyotish today and yet he always said (to me atleast)

that

> > his knowledge need not be perfect (even though it is far more

perfect

> > than anybody else's). He encouraged me (and others I am sure)

> > to dissect his teachings, to really understand them and disagree

when

> > needed. He is a totally open-minded and ego-less guru.

> >

> >

> >

> > As members from the old times may recall, he gave me (and others)

an

> > opportunity to argue with him here many times before. In fact,

there

> > were even occasions when he changed his views after an argument.

An

> > example is the Moola dasa starting point argument. Because

> > Varahamihira and Kalyana Verma were so unambiguous on it, I

publicly

> > disagreed with Sanjay ji and had a heated argument on whether Sun

can

> > be the starting point for Moola dasa apart from lagna and Moon.

Sanjay

> > ji accepted my view publicly after about a year. It is a proof of

his

> > greatness, humility and open-mindedness.

> >

> >

> >

> > Of course, some obedient and loyal students of Sanjay ji may take

his

> > word as the LAST WORD and prefer to ignore other ancient

authorities.

> > It is a valid stand. Whenever you have a savant of the stature of

> > Sanjay ji, invariably such following develops. But you have to

bear in

> > mind that Sanjay ji himself is quite open. The most important

thing is

> > that Sanjay ji encourages students like me who question some of

his

> > teachings publicly and does not treat us with suspicion or scorn

like

> > some other egoistic gurus may be inclined to do. Though I have a

mind

> > of my own and questioned Sanjay ji many times, he was always so

kind

> > and affectionate to me and gave me so much! In fact, he

explicitly

> > told me to maintain the same spirit of questioning and finding

the Truth.

> >

> >

> >

> > Sorry for being long, but I really wanted to clarify this, as

some new

> > people may be tempted to think that Sanjay ji does not tolerate

> > different views.

> >

> >

> >

> > If I have misrepresented Sanjay ji in any way, I beg your pardon.

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

> >

> >

> >

> > PS: Another point is that it is not always easy to gauge what

exactly

> > Sanjay ji thinks or believes in. He dislikes spoon-feeding. There

were

> > occasions when he taught me incorrectly and corrected himself

with lit

> > up eyes when I confronted him with the correct logic after a few

> > months. What he teaches you depends on what he thinks you are

ready

> > for. Thus, what he teaches you is a reflection of what he thinks

about

> > your level more than what he knows or thinks. His actions and

> > motivations are very tough to understand, as he operates on a

totally

> > different intellectual plane than most of us.

> >

> > > Lerned Gurus,

> > >

> > > And when Sri Sanjay gives his opinion, will it be the LAST WORD?

> > >

> > > Curious to know....

> > >

> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > >

> > > > Sarbani Sarkar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > >

> > > > >I am as confused...I just hope Sanjayji quickly replies to

us and

> > > shares his

> > > > >thoughts...I know he is busy with his papers for the coming

> > > trips...but,

> > > > >still...

> > > > >

> > > > >Best regards,

> > > > >

> > > > >Sarbani

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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