: To Ivar: Karma vs. Spiritual Practice

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> Om Brihaspataye Namah,

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> Dear Ivar,

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> So, you think that who you are is a chart??????

> I dont think so! A jyotish chart simply describes the impulse of forces at

a

> given moment. Who we really are is way beyond

> this..................unreadable, unfathomable, timeless and eternal.

Seeing

> a chart we see the forces of creation working, but it is not us! We are

none

> other than the Self, in all things. the sun is the significatot of Self in

a

> chart, .........but I ask you who made the sun??

> The graha seize us, and we believe the imaginings that this play is real,

> when all the time it is the identifying, the claiming that stands in the

way

> of realising what is real!

> The skill of a good jyotishi is the ability to stand beyond any beliefs,

> true knowledge is beyond any belief, faith is beyond belief , and to play

> our part fully and awake we read a chart for the benefit of those in front

> of us.

> What we think we know................we do not. Our karma is changing by

the

> moment, and the the more spritual practice one does, miracles happen.

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> The definition of a miracle, is just a finer law acting out at a lower

> level. A chart describes the Law working out, yet grace occurs beyond

this.

> If it is appropriate for our part in this play to be aware of this, it

will

> be 'known'. Otherwise there has to be humility,................to accept

the

> unknown, and to trust it.

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> Kind regards

> Rosemary

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> "Ivar Verploegh" <i.d.verploegh

> <vedic astrology>

> Wednesday, November 17, 2004 2:59 AM

> [vedic astrology] Karma vs. Spiritual Practice

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> > > by spiritual practice one

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> > That's simply not possible, because a chart describes you, it

> > doesn't influence you. Thus if you adopt a spiritual practice, that

> > will be described by the chart. If you do pious deeds and thus

> > destroy bad karma, that will be described by the chart. The concept

> > which you describe is often supported by followers of spiritual

> > traditions, but from a rational and astrological point of view it is

> > simply not possible. When a person's life seems better than their

> > chart indicates, it is usually due to the astrologer's lack of

> > expertise, a wrong time of birth etc. One can transcend and change

> > everything, but not the birth chart. No exceptions, not even for a

> > fully liberated saint.

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> > A chart doesn't describe good and bad karma, it simply describes

> > you, what you do and what happens to you.

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