JHora and Varnada Lagna Clarification) Clearification Sri Narasimha

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Dear Sri Narasimha,

 

On a second thought, would Varnada chart indicate predominance of

VARNA (Colour) of either Satva, Rajas and Tamas ? Thereby indicating

bend of mind of a person /source of income from such fields indicated

by predominance of Varna regarding his Ajeevika ?

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> Here Rama Krishna

> Namaste Visti and others,

>

> > Take Dr. B.V. Raman's example. VL is in Cancer. The 11th is

Taurus and owned

> > by Venus. Jupiter does not have sign aspect (that is what you

prescribed) on

> > either Taurus or Venus. Does it mean he was not a teacher? The

same holds

> > for Sanjay ji. His VL is in Li. The 11th is Leo. The 11th lord is

Sun.

> > Neither has Jupiter's sign aspect. Both are known as great

teachers.

> >

> > [Visti] Good - now can you count on your fingers how much money

Sanjayji has

> > earned from teaching? Remember this is a question of sustenance

and not

> > ability. Ability is seen from Navämça. KN Rao's chart does not

have the

> > influence of Venus, but does have the influence of a strong

Jupiter - and he

> > has earned a lot from traveling and teaching.

> >

> > If 89 out of 100 people have the combination required for being

> > an astrology teacher (i.e. it is a common combination) and yet

two of the

> > greatest astrology teachers do not have it, what good is the

combination?

> >

> > [Visti] Regarding the two great astrologers, I have clarified

above.

>

> Well, you have not clarified. You did not say a word about Dr.

Raman. If earning money is the criterion, Dr. Raman certainly made

his career and money from spreading the astrology knowledge.

>

> Even in the case of Pt. Sanjay Rath, your argument on "how much

money" he made from Jyotish teaching raises important questions.

Parasara explicitly taught us to see the sources of income from the

11th from AL. Why are we mixing that up with VL? If VL shows the

sources of income, it encroaches on the territories covered by AL and

HL.

>

> Suppose a very learned Brahmin priest has money he inherited from

his ancestors. Suppose his sustenance comes from that money. Suppose

he performs religious cermonies, teaches astrology and gives

astrological readings FOR FREE. Suppose he directs everybody who

wants to pay him for his Brahminical services to offer a donation to

a temple instead. Thus, his sustenance is not coming from those

activities. However, it is those activities that define the function

he is serving in society. What is the varna of that person then?

Because he does not make "much money" from these activities, will you

say that his varna is not Jupiterian???

>

> I totally disagree with linking one's varna to "how much money" one

makes in which activity. Though one's varna is often linked to one's

source of sustenance, it is the dharma one upholds that defines one's

varna (more than the amount of money made).

>

> Varnada means "giver of varna". Varna is a word tough to translate

into English. Crude translations are caste, class or socialogical

stratum. But they are not good translations. Basically, different

varnas serve different functions (or duties or dharma) in society.

Brahmanas have one dharma in society, kshatriyas have another dharma

etc. As denoted by the term "varnaasrama dharma", varnas are

basically a matter of dharma. The word dharma is often used in

conjunction with the word varna.

>

> One who follows the dharma of a Brahmana is of Brahmana varna in

varnaasrama dharma, irrespective of how much money he makes in which

activity.

>

> BTW, thanks for pointing out that navamsa is the chart for seeing

abilities. I do know that.

>

> As one's varna is closely linked to the dharma one follows (which

is seen in navamsa), it is not totally illogical to actually look at

VL in navamsa (and perhaps navamsa-dwadasamsa to see the varna of

birth).

>

> For example, is it a mere coincidence that Pt. Sanjay Rath and I

both have Jupiter in VL in navamsa? Does it show that the varna

dharma we follow is Jupiterian, i.e. Brahmana varna dharma? May be it

does. Or may be not.

>

> Definitely, more work is needed on VL. It should not be mixed up

with AL, HL, GL etc and the difference must be clearly understood.

The first step is to understand what exactly varna means. Varna is

not a profession or a source of income. It is the function fulfilled

in society.

>

> > [Visti] I asked this same question to Guruji when he taught

Varëada lagna,

> > and he said that the 7th was only important when there's talk of

someone

> > else being responsible for the actual income - i.e. take the

example of

> > house-wives. Similarly the 11th from the 7th is the 5th, and

hence indicates

> > the support you get incase of rulership. He hence told me to

ignore this

> > principle for the average charts.

>

> The first house and 7th house are the sthanas of Brahma and Shiva

and both important. The 7th house received a lot of importance in

many of Jaimini's teachings. For example, though most astrologers see

the 3rd from AL to see the environment/nature of death, Jaimini's

instruction was to see the 3rd from the stronger of AL and A7.

Various other principles mention the 7th house along with lagna.

>

> If one says that only 1st house should be considered in various

principles in "average charts" and 7th in some special charts, I have

to disagree. After all, we start Narayana dasa from 7th house

(instead of lagna) even in several "average charts". I don't think

the importance given to 7th house, 7th from VL, arudha of 7th etc has

to do with some charts not being "average" charts. Sanjay ji probably

gave that advice to you with a specific short-term goal in mind. If

he really thinks that 7th should be ignored in these principles of

Jaimini, I will then have to disagree with him too.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha