More on Varnada Lagna..to Visti (JHora and Varnada Lagna Clarification)

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Namaste Visti and others,

 

> Take Dr. B.V. Raman's example. VL is in Cancer. The 11th is Taurus and owned>

by Venus. Jupiter does not have sign aspect (that is what you prescribed) on>

either Taurus or Venus. Does it mean he was not a teacher? The same holds> for

Sanjay ji. His VL is in Li. The 11th is Leo. The 11th lord is Sun.> Neither has

Jupiter's sign aspect. Both are known as great teachers.> > [Visti] Good – now

can you count on your fingers how much money Sanjayji has> earned from

teaching? Remember this is a question of sustenance and not> ability. Ability

is seen from Navämça. KN Rao’s chart does not have the> influence of Venus, but

does have the influence of a strong Jupiter – and he> has earned a lot from

traveling and teaching.> > If 89 out of 100 people have the combination

required for being> an astrology teacher (i.e. it is a common combination) and

yet two of the> greatest astrology teachers do not have it, what good is the

combination?> > [Visti] Regarding the two great astrologers, I have clarified

above.

Well, you have not clarified. You did not say a word about Dr. Raman. If earning

money is the criterion, Dr. Raman certainly made his career and money from

spreading the astrology knowledge.

 

Even in the case of Pt. Sanjay Rath, your argument on "how much money" he made

from Jyotish teaching raises important questions. Parasara explicitly taught us

to see the sources of income from the 11th from AL. Why are we mixing that up

with VL? If VL shows the sources of income, it encroaches on the territories

covered by AL and HL.

 

Suppose a very learned Brahmin priest has money he inherited from his ancestors.

Suppose his sustenance comes from that money. Suppose he performs religious

cermonies, teaches astrology and gives astrological readings FOR FREE. Suppose

he directs everybody who wants to pay him for his Brahminical services to offer

a donation to a temple instead. Thus, his sustenance is not coming from those

activities. However, it is those activities that define the function he is

serving in society. What is the varna of that person then? Because he does not

make "much money" from these activities, will you say that his varna is not

Jupiterian???

 

I totally disagree with linking one's varna to "how much money" one makes in

which activity. Though one's varna is often linked to one's source of

sustenance, it is the dharma one upholds that defines one's varna (more than

the amount of money made).

 

Varnada means "giver of varna". Varna is a word tough to translate into English.

Crude translations are caste, class or socialogical stratum. But they are not

good translations. Basically, different varnas serve different functions (or

duties or dharma) in society. Brahmanas have one dharma in society, kshatriyas

have another dharma etc. As denoted by the term "varnaasrama dharma", varnas

are basically a matter of dharma. The word dharma is often used in conjunction

with the word varna.

 

One who follows the dharma of a Brahmana is of Brahmana varna in varnaasrama

dharma, irrespective of how much money he makes in which activity.

 

BTW, thanks for pointing out that navamsa is the chart for seeing abilities. I do know that.

 

As one's varna is closely linked to the dharma one follows (which is seen in

navamsa), it is not totally illogical to actually look at VL in navamsa (and

perhaps navamsa-dwadasamsa to see the varna of birth).

 

For example, is it a mere coincidence that Pt. Sanjay Rath and I both have

Jupiter in VL in navamsa? Does it show that the varna dharma we follow is

Jupiterian, i.e. Brahmana varna dharma? May be it does. Or may be not.

 

Definitely, more work is needed on VL. It should not be mixed up with AL, HL, GL

etc and the difference must be clearly understood. The first step is to

understand what exactly varna means. Varna is not a profession or a source of

income. It is the function fulfilled in society.

 

> [Visti] I asked this same question to Guruji when he taught Varëada lagna,>

and he said that the 7th was only important when there’s talk of someone> else

being responsible for the actual income – i.e. take the example of>

house-wives. Similarly the 11th from the 7th is the 5th, and hence indicates>

the support you get incase of rulership. He hence told me to ignore this>

principle for the average charts.

 

The first house and 7th house are the sthanas of Brahma and Shiva and both

important. The 7th house received a lot of importance in many of Jaimini's

teachings. For example, though most astrologers see the 3rd from AL to see the

environment/nature of death, Jaimini's instruction was to see the 3rd from the

stronger of AL and A7. Various other principles mention the 7th house along

with lagna.

 

If one says that only 1st house should be considered in various principles in

"average charts" and 7th in some special charts, I have to disagree. After all,

we start Narayana dasa from 7th house (instead of lagna) even in several

"average charts". I don't think the importance given to 7th house, 7th from VL,

arudha of 7th etc has to do with some charts not being "average" charts. Sanjay

ji probably gave that advice to you with a specific short-term goal in mind. If

he really thinks that 7th should be ignored in these principles of Jaimini, I

will then have to disagree with him too.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha