Guest guest Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 ` nmae naray[ay, om namo näräyaëäya| Dear Jawaher Ji, Thanks for your suggestions. But I wrote to this list already that I have surrendered myself to Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari.So I pray God to give such persons good mind and intellect. With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. jawaher <jawaher (AT) bol (DOT) net.in> wrote: Dear Administrator and Moderator and Respected Ram Dass Rao ji,Kindly immediate initiate action against the persons who are using abusivelanguage under Cyber Law.Mere giving will not serve the purpose and you thancan not stop these type of offenders.with regardsjawaher jainDelhi IndiaMobile: 20031013- <vedic astrology><vedic astrology>Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 11:52 PM[vedic astrology] Digest Number 2432There are 9 messages in this issue.Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Rajyoga Vishnu Jandhyala <jvk1305 > 2. Fw: Doubt regarding Karakamsha "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> 3. Can we Use DECEASED'S horoscope to predict Post Morten events ofhis Family ? "nameisego" <nameisego > 4. Re: ADMIN: Ignore Mike Raj, Aman Sood and Deboo Lund (Re: PRASNA BYNO NAME AND) Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> 5. Re: Status sree88ganesha (AT) (DOT) co.in 6. Re: Compatibility Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 > 7. ASTROLOGY AND MODERN SCIENCE....The Final Proof . Do we need more?? "udayg222" <udayg222 > 8. Re: Can we Use DECEASED'S horoscope to predict Post Morten eventsof his Family ? Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 > 9. Re: Can we Use DECEASED'S horoscope to predict Post Morten eventsof his Family ? "amolmandar" <amolmandar >__________Message: 1 Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Vishnu Jandhyala <jvk1305 >Re: RajyogaDear Sri Imran,Could you please post their birth details?Also, do you happen to have Zulfiqar Bhutto's birth details?warm regards,Vishnu--- Muhammad Imran <astroimran > wrote:> Dear Poolat,>> Here's few example, where AK is somehow involve in constituting> Rajayoga.>> 1-Prices of Wales Lady Diana. AK Moon conjoins the Navamsha lagna.>> 2- Benazir Bhutto the former PM of Pakistan (and daughter ruler), AK> Saturn is into Navamsha lagna Virgo.>> 3- Ariel Sharon, the Prime Minister of Israel has AK along with lord> of Navamsha lagna.>>> 4- Bill Gates, Saturn the AK is conjoined with Venus the Navamsha> lagna lord. (The combination is hemmed in between natural benefics Ju> and Me.)>> 5- The former PM of India Morarjee Desai, AK Saturn aspect the> Navamsa lagna.>> 6- Bala Thackeray (Indian Politician), AK Venus aspects the Navamsa> lagna lord Saturn. (while Sun is powerfully disposed in 2nd in Pi> under aspect of Ju)>> Imran>>>> poolaat <poolaat > wrote:> Hello List,>>> Can anyboby, please give some examples> in which all the 3-partial dictums satisfies> the followings:>> " If AK is in navamça Lagna, the native belongs to a royal family/ is> of noble birth and lineage. If navamça Lagna Lord conjoins AK, then> the native, although of humble origin shall rise to a high rank equal> to a king. If the AK aspects navamça Lagna, then Royal association> shall be present from birth. The natural karaka of 1st house (Sun)> should be strong to indicate the extent of Rajyoga.">> Really , without examples it is too difficult to understand tha above> dictum.>>>> Yours>> Poolaat>>>>>>> Archives: vedic astrology>> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......>> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||>>> Sponsor>>> > Links>> To visit your group on the web, go to:> vedic astrology/>> To from this group, send an email to:> vedic astrology>> Your use of is subject to the Terms of> Service.>>>> > > Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.New and Improved Mail - 100MB free storage!__________Message: 2 Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:00:10 -0400 "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net>Fw: Doubt regarding Karakamsha----- Original Message -----"energonmusic" <energonmusic >To: <vedic astrology-owner>Friday, August 27, 2004 6:08 PMRe: Doubt regarding Karakamsha> Hello honorable members,>> I had a similar question for my own chart-- athough I tend to think thatunless one has> *really* not yet entered the valid dasas, one probably "knows" prettyclearly whether they> have a Raja Yoga of some strength or not.>> In my chart, the Navamsa lagna lord is the AK for the chart, Rx. Saturn,but it is in the 3rd> house of efforts. I would guess from the posts pertaining to the BPHS thatthis is not a Raja> Yoga, on more than one count: house position, strength and just that it isthe same planet.> Can a more learned member help me out with this?>> What I also wonder is can anyone give additional insight into Jupiter inthe 5th from the> Karakamsha, and the Sun as the possible Isha Devata, trumping Mars forthis role? How> does one use this information? What sort of (paid) reading could one getalong these lines?>> I appreciate your attention,>> Namaste,>> David> 2/27/1975> 2:57am EST> (Daylight Savings was operating that year at that time)> Livingston, Nj, USA> 74deg.18' 8" W Long> 40deg. 45' 51" N Lat>>>>>> --- In vedic astrology, "astro_learn" <astrolearn@i...>wrote:> > Hello chandrashekhar ji> >> > Is there any literature/Information about Sun being atmakaraka and> > Karkamsa and its effect if Sun is also Navmansha Lagnadhipati?> >> > Its really difficult to analyse my chart sometime...> > Sun is my atmakaraka but debilited in Rashi chart.> > But Navmansh lagna lord is also Sun. And Sun is in 11th house in> > gemini.> > Also if you see Sun(atmakaraka and navmansh lagna lord) and Rashi> > chart lagna lord mercury aspect each other in D-9 in 5/9 axis.> >> > Here what is role of debilited atmakaraka in main chart and How to> > analyse such atmakaraka ? I did not find much informatio about Sun> > being atmakaraka.. ?> >> > Here are my details> > 14 Nov 1972> > 4.22 am> > Pune India> >> > I agree that in liturartue, parashara Rishi mentions that Sun> > cojoins meeans Sun cojoins atakaraka that does by deafut indicate> > sun as atmkarka. Otherwise Parashara rishi would have said clearly> > about it.> >> >> > Regards> > Kalyani> >> >> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>> > wrote:> > > Dear Nitin,> > > Read the Sutras just prior to what the Sage has said in Pada 2.> > Here he> > > defines Various Navamsha becoming Karakamsha on account of housing> > the> > > Atmakaraka till sutra 13. Again sutra 15 talks about Moon and> > Venus> > > having to join Karakamsha for one to become wealthy and earn> > through> > > education as profession. It is not necessary to repeat here that> > two> > > planets can not become Atmakaraka simultaneously. So in Sutra 15> > the> > > planets, obviously are not indicative of their being Atma Karaka.> > > Therefore when the Sage says Tatra in Sutra 14, one should> > understand> > > that he means Sun joining Karakamsha housing the Atmakaraka, would> > not> > > be Sun. Go further to sutra 23 where one getting bitten by snake> > is said> > > to be the result of Ravi and Rahu joining the Karakamsha. Same> > logic> > > here too. The difference is that though Ravi joins Karakamsha Rahu> > > debilitates him and one gets bitten by snake instead of becoming> > either> > > fond of public service or political activities. So why strength is> > to be> > > seen in Navamsha too, in the manner suggested by Parashara for D-> > Charts> > > should also be clear. For classical reference look at what> > Parashara> > > says about analysis of Varga charts in the great classic B.P.H.S.> > He is> > > very clear about how they are to be analyzed. I only quoted his> > opinion.> > > I trust the meaning is now clear. By the way Parashara does not> > > distinguish between the way charts are to be analyzed for strength> > of> > > planets.> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > > Nitin wrote:> > >> > > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||> > > >> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > >> > > > Here is a snapshot of MJUS (translation). Before this chapter,> > the> > > > Author describes the AtmaKaraka in different signs.> > > >> > > > Hope this helps.> > > >> > > > Nitin.> > > >> > > > || Namah Shivaaya ||> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ===================> > > >> > > > ADHYAYA 1- PADA 2> > > >> > > >> > > > SU. 14.-Tatra ravou rajakaryaparaha. If the Sun occupies the> > > > Karakamsa, the person will be fond of public service and will> > work in> > > > political activities.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > SU. 15. -Poornendusukrayorbhogee vidyajeevee cha. If Full Moon> > and> > > > Venus join Atmakaraka in the Navamsa, the person will command> > great> > > > wealth and all comforts attendant on wealth and he will also earn> > > > money and live by the profession of education.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > SU. 16.-Dhatuvadee kountayudho vahnijeevee cha bhoume. When Kuja> > joins> > > > Atmakaraka in the Navamsa, the person becomes great in the> > preparation> > > > of various medical mixtures, will bear arms like kuntayudha and> > other> > > > weapons, and live by profession involving preparations in or near> > > > fire.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > SU. 17.-yanijatantuvayaha silpino vyavaharavidascha soumye. If> > Budha> > > > conjoins the Atmakaraka in the Navamsa, the persons become> > merchants,> > > > weavers and manufacturers of clothes, artists and persons clever> > in> > > > preparing curios, and those well versed in the affairs of social> > and> > > > political matters.> > > >> > > > SU. 18.-Kairmagnunanishta vedavidascha jeevay. When Guru joins> > the> > > > Navamsa with Atmakaraka, the person will be well versed in Vedic> > or> > > > religious rituals, will have religious wisdom, well known in the> > rules> > > > of sacrificial functions and will have good knowledge in Vedanta> > and> > > > will be a religious man. .> > > >> > > > SU. 19.-Rajakeeyaha kaminaha satendriyascha sttkre. . If Sukra> > joins> > > > the Atmakaraka in the Navamsa, the person will become a great> > official> > > > or political personage, will be fond of many women and will> > retain> > > > vitality and sexual passions till he is hundred years old.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > SU. 20.--Prasiddhakarma jeevaha sanow. If Sani joins Atmakaraka> > in the> > > > Navamsa, he will produce a famous person in his own line of> > business.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > SU. 21.-Dhanushkaschouvrascha jangalikalohayantrinascha rahow.> > It Rahu> > > > joins the Atmakaraka in Navamsa the person will live by the> > skilful> > > > use of warlike instruments, he will earn bread as thief and> > dacoit; he> > > > becomes a doctor dealing in poisons, manufacturer of gold,> > silver,> > > > copper and other metallic machinery> > > >> > > > SU. 22.--Gajavyavaharinaschourrascha kethau. 'When Ketu joins the> > > > Atmakaraka in the Navamsa the persons born under such combination> > > > trade in elephants or become thieves and robbers.> > > > ===================> > > >> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji> > > >> > > > Thanks for your reply.> > > > I understand from your mail that sutras have to be understood> > with> > > > continuity,content as well as structure wise.> > > > In this case after describing about results of AK in various> > > > navamshas,the sage is not mentioning about individual results of> > AK.> > > > I am seeing only published sutras(internet) ,thus i may be wrong.> > > > Regarding position of karakamsha i understand your point.But> > until> > > > now i have a feeling that house considerations are not needed in> > > > vargas(other than rashi).> > > > I think other vargas are analysed differently.Diety> > lordships,Tattawa> > > > (friendly,ucha/swa rashis as you have mentioned),lording> > quadrants> > > > from AL(w.r rashi),not posited in rashis whose lords are combust> > etc.> > > > As my knowledge is limited i may request you to guide to any> > > > classical reference regarding this.I have read some local> > language> > > > books,theraswell i can see only references about benefic> > navamshas> > > > etc.No Kendra,trikona references at all.> > > > They have given effects due to various drekkanas etc but again no> > > > house considerations.> > > >> > > > As the learned members have vast experience i appreciate your> > > > guidance.> > > >> > > > Respect> > > > Pradeep> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > >> > > > Group info: vedic-> > astrology/info.html> > > >> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > >> > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ........> > > >> > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||> > > >> > > >> > > > * Sponsor*> > > > > > > > click here> > > >> > <http://us.ard./SIG=1293v00uo/M=298184.5285298.6392945.30011> > 76/D=groups/S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1093635832/A=2319501/R=0/SIG=11tq0u90> > 9/*http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60185353&partid=5285298>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > --------------------------------> > -------> > > > * Links*> > > >> > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to:> > > > vedic astrology/> > > >> > > > * > > > > vedic astrology> > > > <vedic astrology?> > subject=Un>> > > >> > > > * Terms of> > > > Service <>.> > > >> > > >>>>__________Message: 3 Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:40:12 -0000 "nameisego" <nameisego >Can we Use DECEASED'S horoscope to predict Post Morten events ofhis Family ?Dear Friends,During Dhyana yesterday night, self was confronted with this doubtthat,"Can a dead person's Horoscope indicate future events of hischildren's life?"Undersigned will surely investigate during the course of the day (Asit is 6.05 am ) and post his findings. But the ball is in your courtfor those of you who are in western hemisphere to dwell on this issue.Tatvam-Asi__________Message: 4 Sat, 28 Aug 2004 07:58:53 +0100 (BST) Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: ADMIN: Ignore Mike Raj, Aman Sood and Deboo Lund (Re: PRASNA BYNO NAME AND)` nmae naray[ay,om namo näräyaëäya|Dear Chi. Narasimha,Thanks for your mail. When I saw the mail from Mike Raj, I just ignored thatmail and prayed lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari to give him goodBuddhi.He also wrote me personal mail.This is for your information.With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,Ramadas Rao.pvr108 <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste friends,The offensive language below cannot be tolerated. Mike Raj is out ofthe list. When people like Mike Raj, Aman Sood and Deboo Lund try todisrupt the proceedings here with provocative and offensive mails,please ignore them. There is no point in debating anything withthese persons/this person.If you are offended by a mail, just forward it to me. I will takenecessary action.May Jupiter's light shine on us,NarasimhaList founder & admin> hello> noname AND ramdas> reference your prasna on my PAL DEBOO LUND.>> WELL DEBOO JUST GOT APPOINTED AS HEAD OF A MAJOR STRATEGIC B-UNITOF A MAJOR> MNC FOR ASIA PACIFIC REGION.YOUR PRASNA JUST SHOWED YOURINCOMPETENCY AND> IMPOTENCY AS AN ASTROLOGER.INFACT DEBOO"S GRAND FATHER A EMINENTASTROLOGER> AND TANTRIC PRIEST BASED IN KERALA HAD PREDICTED CORRECTLY. YOUBOTH FUCKERS> NEED TO GET YOUR DICK CASTRATED YOU FRUSTRATED INDIAN ASSHOLES.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Sponsor Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:vedic astrology/ To from this group, send an email to:vedic astrology Your use of is subject to the India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.[This message contained attachments]__________Message: 5 Tue, 4 Jan 2000 06:32:24 +0530 sree88ganesha (AT) (DOT) co.inSubject: Re: StatusPlease authenticate the secure message.[This message contained attachments]__________Message: 6 Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 >Re: CompatibilityDear Shri.Sameer,I have assessed the marital compatibility of the given pairs as under: Vadhu / Girl Varan /Boy Mithun Rasi KatakaRasi Mirgasira - 4th padha Pushvami3rd padha Both have Mars in the 2nd house No dasa sandhi exists between the pairs.Life expectations: 90yrs, 83 yrs.Under the ten points Marriage agreement /compatibility program the pairlacks the following: (a) Shreetheergham meaning Subha prapthi (b) Rasimeaning improvements to progeny © Rasiyadhipathy meaning family happiness(d) Vasiyam meaning affinity among the couples. Gunas earned 21 asagainst 37.Further there exists Nadi dosha (Madhya Nadi) which is said to bedetrimental to the husband.On looking at the Pair's Rasi & Amsa charts, I am of the lenient view if themarriage is materialized the above mentioned lacunas (a) to (d) togetherwith the existence of Nadi dosha may not have major impacts on the couplesas both have high degree of longevity, bestowed with progeny praptha and intheir family the male may have an upper hand when compared to the female.With regards,VedapuriBaskaraBandulu.D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.sameer_sawhney <icecoolsam (AT) vsnl (DOT) net> wrote:Hi,Can any of the learned gurus plz comment on my query ?Thanks,Sameervedic astrology, Sameer Sawhney<icecoolsam@v...> wrote:Respected Gurus & List members,Can any of the learned gurus analayse the following charts for maritalcompatibility ?Boy: 27/07/76, 6:25am, 76e46,30n44, IndiaGirl: 15/12/78, 5:20am,81e26, 21n13, IndiaThanks in advance.Regards,-Sameer--- End forwarded message ---Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Sponsor Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:vedic astrology/ To from this group, send an email to:vedic astrology Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service.Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Enter now.[This message contained attachments]__________Message: 7 Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:39:25 -0000 "udayg222" <udayg222 >ASTROLOGY AND MODERN SCIENCE....The Final Proof . Do we need more??The Analogy of planets to the Elements of the periodic table isExcellent. It gives a new perspective. It is brilliant.But is it the final proof. I dont think so. We may say its just thebegining but lot more is to be done to justify all the sutras, yogasand rules mentioned in our ancient texts.Here are some of my thoughts and querries that I would invite yourcomments/explainationI find it a little unbelievable that Lunar mansion and the Solarmansion both coincide exactly at 0° i.e. The begining of Aries andthe begining of Ashwini exactly overlaps. How is it possible that twonatural phenomenon occur exactly at the same instance? Also let meknow if I am wrong in having a feeling that Lunar mansions should beof unequal lengths.Though Rahu and ketu are not alloted ownership of any house in Solarmansions but in Lunar Mansions not only they are alloted thenakshatras but also so much importance is given that Ketu is allotedthe first Nakshatra?Which phenomenon is responsible for the duration and the order inwhich dasas are alloted in Vimshottari dasas? If Rahu and Ketu arealways 180° apart and are the two opposite points of the intersectionpath of earth around the sun and the moon around the earth then howcome they are alloted different dasa periods?Building theories without the verification of the theorems is likebuilding castle over sand.Uday__________Message: 8 Sat, 28 Aug 2004 05:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 >Re: Can we Use DECEASED'S horoscope to predict Post Morten eventsof his Family ?Dear shri.Tatvam-Asi.After the demise of a person , His horoscope becomes obsolete andredundant.In case of an Hindu undivided family as the saying goes " jesttabratha prethuru sama" we may look into the eldest's horoscope.With regards,D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.nameisego <nameisego > wrote:Dear Friends,During Dhyana yesterday night, self was confronted with this doubtthat,"Can a dead person's Horoscope indicate future events of hischildren's life?"Undersigned will surely investigate during the course of the day (Asit is 6.05 am ) and post his findings. But the ball is in your courtfor those of you who are in western hemisphere to dwell on this issue.Tatvam-AsiArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Groups Sponsor Links To visit your group on the web, go to:vedic astrology/ To from this group, send an email to:vedic astrology Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service.Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Enter now.[This message contained attachments]__________Message: 9 Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:46:12 -0000 "amolmandar" <amolmandar >Re: Can we Use DECEASED'S horoscope to predict Post Morten eventsof his Family ?Dear D.SathiyanarayanaGupta ji NamsteHow about those who get Bharat Ratna award posthumously >30 yearsafter death? Can we now tell when Mahatma Gandhiji/RavindranathThakur will get Bharat Ratna Award looking at their chart?Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.Prabodh Vekhande--- In vedic astrology, Sathiyanarayana Gupta<gupta816> wrote:>> Dear shri.Tatvam-Asi.>>>> After the demise of a person , His horoscope becomes obsolete andredundant.In case of an Hindu undivided family as the saying goes "jestta bratha prethuru sama" we may look into the eldest's horoscope.>> With regards,>> >>> nameisego <nameisego> wrote:> Dear Friends,>> During Dhyana yesterday night, self was confronted with thisdoubt> that,> "Can a dead person's Horoscope indicate future events of his> children's life?">> Undersigned will surely investigate during the course of the day(As> it is 6.05 am ) and post his findings. But the ball is in yourcourt> for those of you who are in western hemisphere to dwell on thisissue.>> Tatvam-Asi>>>> Archives: vedic astrology>> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......>> >>> Sponsor>>> > Links>> > vedic astrology/>> To from this group, send an email to:> vedic astrology>> Your use of is subject to the Terms ofService.>>>>> > > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Enter now.__________Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||------ Groups Links------Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. 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