Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Dear Anil Kumar Ji & respected members It was really great to read all your informative mails.Sahams,Tajik &TP, colours &remedies etc.Thanks a lot. Regarding the aspect of Rahu i have some doubts.Kindly throw more light. It was interesting to read about position of Rahu prior to Amrit incident.But how can Rahu retain its former drishti after shifting to a new position.I believe these may be aspects by virtue of its new position.I could assume this only because of your own explanations. You have mentioned about Rahu absorbing or obstructing the light of other planets.So if we to aspects of Rahu ,does that mean it can obstruct the light of other planets from reaching on to the 'houses' on which Rahu casts an aspect?This may be possible by virtue of angular dispositions. Rahu apart from having an influence on the house in which he is situated can block other houses as well. Now if we consider Rahu as a Nodal point and not as remains of a huge planet how can it obstruct? Absorption is understandable.But in this case as well it could absorb a certain % of light and thereby block certain houses,including the one on which it is placed. Now whether Rahu can cast an aspect or not in either of the above cases depends on certain other conditions.For example consider that Rahu was not present and then which all planets might have cast an aspect(light) on the concerned houses.Now consider whether Rahu is ahead or behind of these planets in degrees.Only if it is ahead of any planet then it could cast an aspect(prevent aspects) on the concerned houses.Am i right? Also you have mentioned deepansh.Is this the degree upto which a planet can reflect light? Then in that case if Rahu is coming in between he is blocking or diverting certain amount of light and thereby reducing the deepansh of other planets. Thus Rahu will not have aspects always but only if it is blocking the light of others.Am i right? Now Ketu.Here you have mentioned Ketu as numerous particles - Dhooma Ketus in many orbits.If we are considering them as numerous how can we pin point this to one Ketu? Thanks a lot in advance. Respect Pradeep vedic astrology, "aokedia" <anilkedia@i...> wrote: > Dear Friends > > Reply to: Chandrashekharji,RMK,Kanupriya,Hari,Sunil,Dhira,Jagmeet, > Tarkatirth,Raman,voya > > RAM KRISHN HARE > > I was unable to connect to for nearly a month. So there was a > complete intermixing of nearly 1000 mails.I am therefore sending > reply only > on this list. Please see combined reply below. > I have included original statements in . > - > "I think, not all the astrologers from Maharashtra use aspect of > Ketu.As > a matter of fact Neelkantha Daivagya was from Vidarbha and he does > not > do so in Tajik Neelakanthi. Even the shloka attributing aspects to > Rahu > appears in only one edition of BPHS". > > Dear Chandrashekharji,I have seen Rahu's aspect in several versions > of bphs > however,it appears at different place.It is given in chapter on dasha. > > Regarding Tajik Neelkanthi,there is no grah-specific-drishti.All > planets > have friendly aspect on 3,5,9,11 and enemy aspect on 1,4,7,10 houses. > Author has described appearance,shape etc of 9 planets and then in > next verses he gave aspects and then deeptansh of 7 planets.If you > have based > your views on this,then let me give my understanding. > > Deeptansh means degrees that are illuminated by the light of relevent > planet.7 planets are visible and hence have deeptansh.Nodes are Tamo > grahas.They absorb/obstruct light instead of giving.So they can not > have any deeptansh. Eclipse can occure if luminaries are within 12 > degrees from nodes.So we can consider this as negative of deeptansh. > (Please verify 12 as it is not confirmed.It may be moon's deeptansh > also). > So I feel that node aspects are actually similar to other planets in > tajik > with zero deeptansh. > - > "I think he had abandoned the Tajaka approach for annual charts and > also abandoned all this Ithasala etc., approach somewhere along the > line. " > > Dear RMK, You are mixing two things.What PVR said was in relation to > TP > charts not for Tajik charts.In fact he strongly advocated its use and > he > is the only one who used ND and D-n extensively with Tajik. Sahams > are > part of Tajik used extensively even in western astrology.He is still > using them in TP charts. Even though he says Tajik yogas are not > applicable,you will find use of itthashal in some places.PVR has > recommended Muddha dasha and said that it works upto 5 levels while > Patyayani etc. do not go beyond 2 levels. > > Here is a quote from PVR's mail to prof. chaudhary(founder of > System's approch). > "I still don't think SA can give predictions as 'precise' as I was > able to give, with techniques like Tajaka and transits from Moon and > in ashtakavarga kakshyas. I still continue to use many non-SA > techniques (like various dasa systems, most of them with 360d years > (you recommended 365d years), Jaimini, ashtakavarga techniques, > transits from Moon, transits based on ashtakavarga, shadbalas, Tajaka > system etc etc), but I give priority to SA in determining the > functional nature of planets." > > Tajik is a system developed to analyse Dasha pravesh charts of > Sudarshn-chakr-dasha which is strongly recommended by Parashar > Himself(even more than vinshottary dasha). In my view: > > NO APPROCH IN ASTROLOGY GIVES BETTER RESULTS THEN TAJIK. > > You have so far learned several methods of Classical Jyotish.I think > you have a fairly advanced knowledge of most things at least on > theorotical basis. Now tell me how many things you can predict with > confidance and with correct timing? > > Like most members I think your answer is also same.You are not > satisfied. > > Now look at my way of prdiction.For several years,I just calculated > Vivah saham and used aspect of transit Guru on it.Most of my > predictions > were correct/confirmed by natives.I have to calculate on the basis of > Rashis in many cases as there was just a chart available. No degrees. > > I then tought this method to my room-mate who was curious but had no > knowledge of astrology.In just half hour,he learned this and started > looking at charts of his friends etc.He confirmed that it works very- > well. > > Now,you can say my luck or his luck helped to give correct prediction. > But if you can get such great results by just half hour's learning and > predict with great confidance and accuracy,is there any need to > abondon > it?Forget all charts and just use natal sahams and transits.While one > can use dashas with Tajik,I feel that it is not necessary when we see > it as DPC for SCD. > > I agree that the details you can say are very limited but speed and > confidance you get is unmatched.Any technique is good in the hands of > experts but for the rest of us, > > Nothing...Nothing.....Nothing works better. > > "for last two years, Star Teller made great/good financial > predictions for me using the annual tajaka charts and Muddha > Vimshottari dasha, but i contiuned to struggle in Saturn/Mercury > period and none of their predictions ever fructified." > > I warned Narasimha for taking such approch in TP charts.You can verify > the result. Most of his list predictions on TP went wrong as he > ignored > Birth-charts completely while giving prediction on TP. > > However if you are willing to test Tajik predictions,I can give you a > simple solution.Several non-astrologers who got their computer > generated > predictions from future point(based on tajik) for 5-10 years,said > that the > timing and results were very accurate.Personally,I have not checked > any. > Use of 16 Tajik yogas is very important.I think it is the only > software > that gives tajik yogas with interpretation. > > If you wish,you may buy their software.Demo copy of 'Leo Gold' locked > for your birth-chart costs only Rs.250/- So you can find for any year > (s) > as you like.You may check indianastrology.com for more > details/features. > If you have palm pc,free demo download is also available. > (Please note that the feed back is from others.I am just informing). > > from the point of view of an ordinary native,what do you say about > (1) Tripod rule for vinshottary dasha > (2) TP charts > (3) Kashinath Hora > My findings are negative.Parasharji's dasha rule works much-much > better. > And that is the reason why such a large number of jyotishis use them. > Sanjay himself has never used his rule in COVA. Same thing can be > said > for Tajik/TP also.However,I am still open for them. > > I am not attempting your chart as you gave me some vital clues about > your > situation.Just note that I am under similar conditions from 4 years. > > Always Remember:Due to the curse given by Goddess Laxmi to sage > Bhrigu, > if anyone sells jyotish for making money,his predictions will not > come true. > If he makes correct predictions,people will not believe in it and > when he makes wrong prediction,people believes and find it > incorrect.It was for > this reason that Brigu abondoned his book Bhrigu-sutra and wrote > Bhrigu > Samhita. > > Don't believe in others. Trust your own experience but correct your > understanding if you have the opportunity. > > Finally,Systems are for us.we are not for them.So I don't want to > insist > on anything.In your words:I was just mentioning some personal > experiences. > - > "He uses the term 'apmrtyu bhayam' which means danger of pre mature > death. > What principles will nullify or erradicate such a dangerous time". > > Dear Kanupriya, Bhayam mans fear. so it can be just that without any > physical result. Again,death is not restricted to body.I can not > recall properly but Bhishm Pitamah probably said that insult from > yongers is also like death for elders.He has also given probably 8 > types of such situations > that can be termed as death.Since it is believed that if Mahabharat > is > kept in home,Mahabharat occures at home.So most people do not keep it > at home. I can not provide you with details.Parasharji has provided > remedies for all dashas in BPHS. > > May be these 8 types are related to 8 lagnas of Ashtakvarga. > - > "should the sign of the Moon in Vimsamsa make a difference." > > Dear Hari,In D20,you can directly see moon's varg lord(Godess)! > > "Do you think upagrahas are a mere mathematical invention of the > sages?" > > Hari,It looks like mathematical point but has much more impact. > Upgrahas are sons of respective planets and hence carry properties > of their parents.Now,as they are sons,they are dependent on their > parents > and may not have visible existance.They have their boundries fixed by > their > parents and they have to follow it strictly.A child is restricted by > the > parents and has to play within building compound etc. as they feel > suitable. > So you can now see the limitations and effect of upgrahas.A bad child > can > give trouble to any one who comes in his range of activity.A good > child can > similarly help others within his range.Again you can see that unlike > adults, > children are not confined to just one place(degree).They need some > area for > playing.This is why upgrahas have region instead of a single > degree.Any > planet/house coming in that area will have good/bad impact of upgrah. > Children have very minute observation but they just pass it to others. > they themselves are not taking any action as they are limited by their > boundries. > > "if superior planets have special aspects, then why are the > same being attributed to Rahu who is a node of the moon and > therefore > can be treated as an inferior type planet?" > > Hari,You are forgetting that Rahu shifted his position between moon > and > sun(earth) at the time of distribution of Amrit.Earlier he was placed > between Mangal and Guru.You can check that vinshottary dasha sequence > follows exactly same order.And there is astronomical proof also.It is > accepted that a big planet was orbiting sun between Mangal and Guru. > It was smashed by a very huge planet(Sudarshan chakr!). Pieces of > that planet are still orbiting sun in the form of a belt(confirm this > from > your geogrouphy books).Several pieces were thrown to a large distance > and started moving in different orbits which are now known as commets > or Ketu. > > The point is,Rahu was originally a superior planet with special > aspects. > So when he changed the position,he had his aspects also with him.Don't > you agree? ;-) > - > Dear Sunil, Karyesha is a term used in Prashn and Tajik.It refers to > any > planet that is lord of house under consideration.So if you are asking > about job it is lord of 10th,for vehicals,it is lord of 4th and for > spouse, > it is lord of 7th. Normally it is seen in D1 for Prashn and Tajik.For > natal > D-charts may be you can use as said by viswanadhamji.I will however > like > to use D1 karyesh placement in D-n. Transits on this position are > important. > > Please see below for PVR's view on sahams.He is using only karm saham > but > for job purpose Anya-karm-saham(meaning work for others) is mentioned > in Tajik. > > Narasimha wrote on Saham: > > "I _think_ they are meant to be used only in annual/monthly/daily > solar return charts of Tajaka system. I, however, use important > sahams (such as karma, vivaha, artha, roga, kali sahams) in natal > chart also. > > A planet influencing the saham will attain a power to let the > significations of the saham materialize in its periods. A planet > influencing a saham may also blend its nature with the significations > of the saham. A planet owning and aspecting roga (disease) saham may > give disease in its dasa, provided it has similar signification in D- > 6 also. A planet in karma (profession) saham may give a profession > compatible with its nature, provided it has some link with 10th house > in D-10 also. A software engineer I know has absolutely no links > between his Mercury and 10th house in Rasi chart, though Mercury is > in his 10th in D-10. However, his Mercury is opposite his karma > (profession) saham within 1 deg in Rasi chart. Musician John Denver, > for example, has karma saham in Libra (a sign of Venus) and it is one > of the important reasons for his becoming a musician." > - > "12th house is the house governing sleep. That's why 9th house > represents dreams= the activity in sleep. 3rd house represents waking > up from sleep." > > Dear Dhira Krsna dasa,3rd is 4th from 12th.It is happiness from > sleep.How > can you call it wake up? 11th house is 12th from 12th. so it shows > loss of > sleep.6th is 7th(marak) for 12th(sleep) due to enemies/diseases.In my > view, > 3rd can show sound sleep without dreams. > - > "She has blind faith in Shiv Ji though Shiv Ji is not her Ista > Devata." > > Dear Jagmeet,It is foolish to find Isht on the basis of chart in such > cases. > If one is devoted to one deity,then that it Isht. Can you say how 100 > brothers can be seen in the chart? But you know that Suyodhan had 100 > brothers.Can you say he had only 10 brothers as his chart show only > 10? > Same thing applies to everything else that you can predict using > astrology. > Her Isht is Shivji only. In traditional view also,Isht is deity for > which > a person has most devotion/liking/attachment. > - > "The difference between the geocentric and topocentric systems is > that of parallax (the apparent difference in an object's position as > viewed from different points.)" > > Dear Tarkatirth,Even geocentric positions are apperent.For topocentric > position,calculations are complex as it involves solving 2 > simulteneous > trignometric equations in 2 variables. As you have rightly said,it is > different from geocentric position. Sages have therfore adviced to use > observed position of planets only.They have also said that calculated > positions must be corrected by using positions as observed from EYE > (drik-tulya).So it is clear that they referred to topocenric > positions > only.However these calculations are not available in softwares and > when things do not match,people blame ayanansh etc.Some go for > unwanted > rectification to correct geocentric positions too!Since sages were > using > observed positions,they used to note other cosmic events at that place > along with nimittas etc. So in my view,it is the only correct method. > But I am sorry to say that geocentric longitude with Lahiri ayanansh > gives > much-much better results which I can not justify by anything else. > - > "I am looking for the following texts (preferably in samskrita). > 1) Vishnu Sahasranama 2) Satha Rudreeya 3) Rudra Sukta" > > Dear Raman Suprajarama,You can visit this website for sanskrit works. > > http://mum.edu/vedicreserve > > You can find downloadable books like vedas,puranas,upnishads,sanhitas > and most other vedic scriptures BUT in Sanskrit ONLY. > > Dear Voya Traykovic you can find BPHS in sanskrit without > translations in PDF at above site and some more books.You may also > check > > http://sanskrit.gde.to/ > > Thanks > > Anilkumar > > OM TAT SAT > -- -- > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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