JHora and Varnada Lagna Clarification) Clearification Sri Chandrashekhar ji

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Respected Chandrashekhar ji,

A guru plants a seed by giving hints. A worthy shishya developes the

theme with his inputs.

Astrology and other subjects are also like these. If such were not

the case, we would not have commenteries or TIKA written to explain

and understand meanings.

 

For every single thing, going back to what is written may not be

correct approach.

 

Most important trait of a shishya should be UTSUKATA.

Utsukata here means ability to question to elicit essence.

VARNADA should not mean only Varna in caste sense.

What is wrong in adopting different permutation combinations to know

furthur possibilities?

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Visti, Narasimha and friends,

> If I may interject, does Jaimini or Parashara refers to either

colors

> when talking of varnada, or income for that matter ? Would somebody

> quote from the classics to prove a point? This would remove any

confusion.

> On a different note, if I may say so, I am of the view that Rasis

are

> to be added for arriving at varnada, as clearly indicated by

Parashara.

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Visti Larsen wrote:

>

> > |Hare Räma Kåñëa|

> >

> > Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> >

> > But Varëa means color?

> >

> > Whether you use the colors of the planets (for complexion) or the

> > colors of the signs, is a different issue.

> >

> > As for this method of using the Varëada lagna, I have no specific

> > reference.

> >

> > Guruji spent some hours teaching us about the colors, and did so

based

> > on only the word; varëa.

> >

> > This is what MW says about Varëa

> >

> >

> >

> > a covering , cloak , mantle L. a cover , lid Ya1jn5. iii , 99

outward

> > appearance , exterior , form , figure , shape , colour RV. &c.

&c.

> > colour of the face , (esp.) good colour or complexion , lustre ,

> > beauty Mn. MBh. &c. colour , tint , dye , pigment (for painting

or

> > writing) MBh. Ka1v. &c. colour = race , species , kind , sort ,

> > character , nature , quality , property (applied to persons and

> > things) RV. &c. &c. class of men , tribe , order , caste (prob.

from

> > contrast of colour between the dark aboriginal tribes and their

fair

> > conquerors ; in RV. esp. applied to the A1ryas and the Da1sas ;

but

> > more properly applicable to the four principal classes described

in

> > Manu's code , viz. Bra1hmans , Kshatriyas , Vais3yas , and

Su1dras ;

> > the more modern word for `" caste "' being ja1ti ; cf. IW. 210 n.

1)

> > ib. a letter , sound , vowel , syllable , word Br. Pra1t. &c. a

> > musical sound or note (also applied to the voice of animals) MBh.

R.

> > Pan5cat. the order or arrangement of a song or poem W. praise ,

> > commendation , renown , glory Mr2icch. Kum. Ra1jat. (in alg.) an

> > unknown magnitude or quantity (in arithm.) the figure , `" one "'

> > (accord. to some) a co-efficient a kind of measure L. (cf. %{-

tAla})

> > gold L. a religious observance L. one who wards off , expeller

Sa1y.

> > on RV. i , 104 , 2 (%{A}) f. Cajanus Indicus L. n. saffron L.

[Cf.

> > accord. to some , Slav. {vranu8} , `" black "' , `" a crow "'

Lith.

> > {vA7rnas} , `" a crow. "']

> >

> >

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> >

> >

> > *Visti Larsen*

> > visti@s... <visti@s...>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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> > *Sent:* 01 July 2004 07:06

> > *To:* vedic astrology

> > *Subject:* [vedic astrology] Re: JHora and Varnada Lagna

> > Clarification) Clearification Sri Narasimha

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > Can you show me classical basis for using colors this way with

> > varnada lagna?

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

> >

> >> |Hare Räma Kåñëa|

> >>

> >> Dear Narasimha,

> >>

> >> He is right, the colors of the sign in which the Varëada lagna is

> > placed is

> >> very important, and indicates the quality you must learn or take

> > on to do

> >> your work. I.e. Libra is black in color and represents working in

> > ignorance,

> >> i.e. without light. Hence such people need to learn how to

> > research, dig out

> >> information, etc. Similarly the color of each sign becomes

> > important.

> >>

> >> The sign occupied lord of Varëada lagna (notice I'm talking only

> > of Varnada

> >> lagna and not the 11th from it) is the quality one must aspire to

> > take on.

> >>

> >> Best wishes,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Visti Larsen

> >> <visti@s...> visti@s...

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> _____

> >>

> >> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr@c...]

> >> 01 July 2004 06:19

> >> Vedic Astrology Group

> >> [vedic astrology] Re: JHora and Varnada Lagna

> > Clarification)

> >> Clearification Sri Narasimha

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Namaste Sir,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> > Dear Sri Narasimha,

> >> >

> >> > On a second thought, would Varnada chart indicate predominance

> > of

> >> > VARNA (Colour) of either Satva, Rajas and Tamas ? Thereby

> > indicating

> >> > bend of mind of a person /source of income from such fields

> > indicated

> >> > by predominance of Varna regarding his Ajeevika ?

> >> >

> >> > Tatvam-Asi

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> When referring to Varnada, Jaimini classifies planetary

influences

> > as

> >> Brahmana, Kshatriya, Vaisya and Sudra. So, in all likelihood, he

> > was talking

> >> about varnas of the varnasrama dharma only and not colors or any

> > such

> >> things.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> You don't need to address me as "Sri".

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> >>

> >> Narasimha

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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Dear???,

No harm in looking from a different angle if there is some reason, like

the context in which it has been said. As regards going back to texts,

if one wants to go beyond that this is fine with me. The only problem

is when one looks at texts selectively and claims to be looking at

something new. Commentaries are, mostly written by Acharyas and even

they give their interpretation of the original shloka.

I have no objection, whatsoever if some one writes a texts without

reference to what is stated by the sages. Or wants to find a meaning

not intended by the Sages. I am only opining about my views, and do not

understand why they must fall in line with somebody else's views. In

discussions it is better to use one yard stick for all.

If one wants to find some meaning then why not look at it as

enemies/disease by Katapayaadi principles? If I remember right, at

least Parashara talks about Varnada in connection with Aayu.

One last word about falling back on texts, Hindu pandits had to prove

their point by giving pramana from shastras in discussions and I prefer

to go by that.

Chandrashekhar.

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Respected Chandrashekhar ji,

A guru plants a seed by giving hints. A worthy shishya developes the

theme with his inputs.

Astrology and other subjects are also like these. If such were not

the case, we would not have commenteries or TIKA written to explain

and understand meanings.

For every single thing, going back to what is written may not be

correct approach.

Most important trait of a shishya should be UTSUKATA.

Utsukata here means ability to question to elicit essence.

VARNADA should not mean only Varna in caste sense.

What is wrong in adopting different permutation combinations to know

furthur possibilities?

Tatvam-Asi

vedic astrology,

Chandrashekhar

<boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Visti, Narasimha and friends,

> If I may interject, does Jaimini or Parashara refers to either

colors

> when talking of varnada, or income for that matter ? Would

somebody

> quote from the classics to prove a point? This would remove any

confusion.

> On a different note, if I may say so, I am of the view that Rasis

are

> to be added for arriving at varnada, as clearly indicated by

Parashara.

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Visti Larsen wrote:

>

> > |Hare Räma Kåñëa|

> >

> > Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> >

> > But Varëa means color?

> >

> > Whether you use the colors of the planets (for complexion) or

the

> > colors of the signs, is a different issue.

> >

> > As for this method of using the Varëada lagna, I have no

specific

> > reference.

> >

> > Guruji spent some hours teaching us about the colors, and did

so

based

> > on only the word; varëa.

> >

> > This is what MW says about Varëa

> >

> >

> >

> > a covering , cloak , mantle L. a cover , lid Ya1jn5. iii , 99

outward

> > appearance , exterior , form , figure , shape , colour RV.

&c.

&c.

> > colour of the face , (esp.) good colour or complexion ,

lustre ,

> > beauty Mn. MBh. &c. colour , tint , dye , pigment (for

painting

or

> > writing) MBh. Ka1v. &c. colour = race , species , kind ,

sort ,

> > character , nature , quality , property (applied to persons

and

> > things) RV. &c. &c. class of men , tribe , order ,

caste (prob.

from

> > contrast of colour between the dark aboriginal tribes and

their

fair

> > conquerors ; in RV. esp. applied to the A1ryas and the Da1sas

;

but

> > more properly applicable to the four principal classes

described

in

> > Manu's code , viz. Bra1hmans , Kshatriyas , Vais3yas , and

Su1dras ;

> > the more modern word for `" caste "' being ja1ti ; cf. IW.

210 n.

1)

> > ib. a letter , sound , vowel , syllable , word Br. Pra1t.

&c. a

> > musical sound or note (also applied to the voice of animals)

MBh.

R.

> > Pan5cat. the order or arrangement of a song or poem W. praise

,

> > commendation , renown , glory Mr2icch. Kum. Ra1jat. (in alg.)

an

> > unknown magnitude or quantity (in arithm.) the figure , `"

one "'

> > (accord. to some) a co-efficient a kind of measure L. (cf. %{-

tAla})

> > gold L. a religious observance L. one who wards off ,

expeller

Sa1y.

> > on RV. i , 104 , 2 (%{A}) f. Cajanus Indicus L. n. saffron L.

[Cf.

> > accord. to some , Slav. {vranu8} , `" black "' , `" a crow "'

Lith.

> > {vA7rnas} , `" a crow. "']

> >

> >

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> >

> >

> > *Visti Larsen*

> > visti@s... <visti@s...>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

 

------

> >

> > ** pvr108 [pvr@c...]

> > *Sent:* 01 July 2004 07:06

> > *To:* vedic astrology

> > *Subject:* [vedic astrology] Re: JHora and Varnada Lagna

> > Clarification) Clearification Sri Narasimha

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > Can you show me classical basis for using colors this way with

> > varnada lagna?

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

> >

> >> |Hare Räma Kåñëa|

> >>

> >> Dear Narasimha,

> >>

> >> He is right, the colors of the sign in which the Varëada

lagna is

> > placed is

> >> very important, and indicates the quality you must learn

or take

> > on to do

> >> your work. I.e. Libra is black in color and represents

working in

> > ignorance,

> >> i.e. without light. Hence such people need to learn how to

> > research, dig out

> >> information, etc. Similarly the color of each sign becomes

> > important.

> >>

> >> The sign occupied lord of Varëada lagna (notice I'm

talking only

> > of Varnada

> >> lagna and not the 11th from it) is the quality one must

aspire to

> > take on.

> >>

> >> Best wishes,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Visti Larsen

> >> <visti@s...> visti@s...

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> _____

> >>

> >> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr@c...]

> >> 01 July 2004 06:19

> >> Vedic Astrology Group

> >> [vedic astrology] Re: JHora and Varnada Lagna

> > Clarification)

> >> Clearification Sri Narasimha

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Namaste Sir,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> > Dear Sri Narasimha,

> >> >

> >> > On a second thought, would Varnada chart indicate

predominance

> > of

> >> > VARNA (Colour) of either Satva, Rajas and Tamas ?

Thereby

> > indicating

> >> > bend of mind of a person /source of income from such

fields

> > indicated

> >> > by predominance of Varna regarding his Ajeevika ?

> >> >

> >> > Tatvam-Asi

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> When referring to Varnada, Jaimini classifies planetary

influences

> > as

> >> Brahmana, Kshatriya, Vaisya and Sudra. So, in all

likelihood, he

> > was talking

> >> about varnas of the varnasrama dharma only and not colors

or any

> > such

> >> things.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> You don't need to address me as "Sri".

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> >>

> >> Narasimha

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> >>

> >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> >

> >>

> >> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Sponsor

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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> >>

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