2nd house Jup in various roles, dictums, exceptions...

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Dear Kasturi,

 

Just ignore Jupiter for a while and see if the other indications in the chart

also point to the events. Just my two cents!

 

Regards,

Lakshmi"R. Kasthuri Rangan" <rkrangan (AT) softhome (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Chandrasekar ji, Tatvam-Asi, Lakshmi and membersThe discussion on Jupiter

destroying the bhava it occupies has been very interesting and educative.Pt.

Sanjay taught in Hyderabad that Jupiter transiting 2nd from UL (or having rasi

drishti on it) at the time of marriage, will protect the marriage, even if the

2nd from UL has malefics strong enough to destroy the marriage. This doesn't

seem to match the thrust given to the concept of "Bhava Nasa Karo

Jeeva...."However, I should admit, on checking some charts, I have found "bhava

nasa karo jeeva" concept to work well and I tend to agree with Chandrasekar ji,

Nameisego....except for the above.Is this an inconsistency? Am I missing

something? How does one figure out exceptions to dictums?SincerelyR. Kasthuri

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AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

 

Dear Chandrasekharji, Lakshmi, Kasturi and others,

 

Namaste. i hope you do not mind me writing a few lines in this regard. As we

all know Guru rejoices in learning and at the same time blesses all his

disciples and students with illumination,success and bestows this wonderful

gift of joy of learning(VRISHABAM CHARSHANEENAM VISWAROOPAMATHABYAM.

BRIHASPATHIM VARENYAM). In his ever expansive mood of furthering his knowledge

he forgets the surroundings and is deeply immersed on the subject on hand. This

gives us the clue about sthana brahsta. He forgets the surroundings. In other

words he neglects the surroundings on account of his preoccupation. In the

natural houses of learning viz., 4th, 9th and 2nd he happily leaps to the peak

of knowledge. Does a Gyani minds about his attire/dress? The videha is

unmindful of his body. Ofcourse one is forced to think that the body is being

neglected by the Gyani.

 

As regards Kasturi's question about the arrival of Guru in 2nd to UL it is

indeed a blessing as this postion brings about the much required stability in

marital life. This is because Guru as usual goes into the core of being, in

quest of knowledge, which act, does not present a congenial atmosphere for the

maraka function(2nd) to take place.

 

As regards Sani he also forgets himself in his eagerness to meddle with the

affairs of others. Sani being a natural malefic has a definite duty of harming

the house but in his eagerness to know about others and to intervene in other's

life he forgets to harm the house he has occupied.

 

As regards the horoscope of Ramesh the time of 4hours and 20 minutes is not

correct. The 7th lord Guru is involved in a curse. Sani is in vamshakshaya

shastyiamsa and is BK. Somawar/monday worship of Lord Siva is compulsory.

 

Best wishes.

 

Astrologically yours,

p.s.ramanarayanan."R. Kasthuri Rangan" <rkrangan (AT) softhome (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Chandrasekar ji, Tatvam-Asi, Lakshmi and membersThe discussion on Jupiter

destroying the bhava it occupies has been very interesting and educative.Pt.

Sanjay taught in Hyderabad that Jupiter transiting 2nd from UL (or having rasi

drishti on it) at the time of marriage, will protect the marriage, even if the

2nd from UL has malefics strong enough to destroy the marriage. This doesn't

seem to match the thrust given to the concept of "Bhava Nasa Karo

Jeeva...."However, I should admit, on checking some charts, I have found "bhava

nasa karo jeeva" concept to work well and I tend to agree with Chandrasekar ji,

Nameisego....except for the above.Is this an inconsistency? Am I missing

something? How does one figure out exceptions to dictums?SincerelyR. Kasthuri

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Dear Kasthuri Rangan,

Sanjay has given a principle, which correctly applied would not

contradict with the dictum. Two things have to be understood very

clearly. One is that Jupiter harms the Bhava it occupies whereas 2nd

from UL need not necessarily be 7th Bhava every time. Second is that

the word is "Bhrashta" so it does not necessarily mean destruction of a

Bhava ( though that could happen also) every time. It would certainly

harm one of the indications of the Bhava. Now 7th Bhava also indicates

short travels, business, partners etc. amongst many of its indications.

Another thing that has to be considered is that Sages have told us to

check yogas from AL, Lagna and Karakamsha .In Upa Pada Adhyaya of BPHS

Parashara has also told us that Narada and others opine that all the

effects given for Upa Pada are also to be seen from Lagna, Lagna

Pada,7th from Upa Pada and their Lords. Strength of Lagna, Planets

involved and Bhava involved will also have an impact on the final

results. Thus applied the apparent contradiction would be removed.

Chandrashekhar.

R. Kasthuri Rangan wrote:

Dear Chandrasekar ji, Tatvam-Asi, Lakshmi and members

The discussion on Jupiter destroying the bhava it occupies has been

very

interesting and educative.

Pt. Sanjay taught in Hyderabad that Jupiter transiting 2nd from UL (or

having rasi drishti on it) at the time of marriage, will protect the

marriage, even if the 2nd from UL has malefics strong enough to destroy

the marriage. This doesn't seem to match the thrust given to the

concept

of "Bhava Nasa Karo Jeeva...."

However, I should admit, on checking some charts, I have found "bhava

nasa karo jeeva" concept to work well and I tend to agree with

Chandrasekar ji, Nameisego....except for the above.

Is this an inconsistency? Am I missing something? How does one figure

out exceptions to dictums?

Sincerely

R. Kasthuri Rangan

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Rama Narayanan,

It is nice attempt to delve into the principles behind the dictum.

Zoran has also given another way of looking at the principle underlying

the dictum. I commend both of you for the deep thought you have given

this instead of brushing it off.

Chandrashekhar.

rama narayanan wrote:

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

 

Dear Chandrasekharji, Lakshmi, Kasturi and others,

 

Namaste. i hope you do not mind me writing a few lines in this

regard. As we all know Guru rejoices in learning and at the same time

blesses all his disciples and students with illumination,success and

bestows this wonderful gift of joy of learning(VRISHABAM

CHARSHANEENAM VISWAROOPAMATHABYAM. BRIHASPATHIM VARENYAM). In his ever

expansive mood of furthering his knowledge he forgets the surroundings

and is deeply immersed on the subject on hand. This gives us the clue

about sthana brahsta. He forgets the surroundings. In other words he

neglects the surroundings on account of his preoccupation. In the

natural houses of learning viz., 4th, 9th and 2nd he happily leaps to

the peak of knowledge. Does a Gyani minds about his attire/dress? The

videha is unmindful of his body. Ofcourse one is forced to think that

the body is being neglected by the Gyani.

 

As regards Kasturi's question about the arrival of Guru in 2nd

to UL it is indeed a blessing as this postion brings about the much

required stability in marital life. This is because Guru as usual goes

into the core of being, in quest of knowledge, which act, does not

present a congenial atmosphere for the maraka function(2nd) to take

place.

 

As regards Sani he also forgets himself in his eagerness to

meddle with the affairs of others. Sani being a natural malefic has a

definite duty of harming the house but in his eagerness to know about

others and to intervene in other's life he forgets to harm the house he

has occupied.

 

As regards the horoscope of Ramesh the time of 4hours and 20

minutes is not correct. The 7th lord Guru is involved in a curse. Sani

is in vamshakshaya shastyiamsa and is BK. Somawar/monday worship of

Lord Siva is compulsory.

 

Best wishes.

 

Astrologically yours,

p.s.ramanarayanan.

"R. Kasthuri Rangan" <rkrangan (AT) softhome (DOT) net>

wrote:

Dear

Chandrasekar ji, Tatvam-Asi, Lakshmi and members

The discussion on Jupiter destroying the bhava it occupies has been

very

interesting and educative.

Pt. Sanjay taught in Hyderabad that Jupiter transiting 2nd from UL (or

having rasi drishti on it) at the time of marriage, will protect the

marriage, even if the 2nd from UL has malefics strong enough to destroy

the marriage. This doesn't seem to match the thrust given to the

concept

of "Bhava Nasa Karo Jeeva...."

However, I should admit, on checking some charts, I have found "bhava

nasa karo jeeva" concept to work well and I tend to agree with

Chandrasekar ji, Nameisego....except for the above.

Is this an inconsistency? Am I missing something? How does one figure

out exceptions to dictums?

Sincerely

R. Kasthuri Rangan

 

 

 

 

 

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