More on Scorpio and Guhya

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Namaste Visti,

 

> Dear Chandrashekhar and Narasimha, Namaskar> The highlighted portion about

people's minds was not meant for you, but all> the other translators of the

word Guhya in the classical books. I'm sorry if> you took this phrase wrongly

upon you.

 

Well, thanks for the clarification. But I am even more offended now.

 

It is well within your right to believe in what you *think* your guru taught

you. But, you have no business speculating about the mindsets of people who

translate otherwise. Scholars translated Guhya the way they did because it is

the only correct way and because other classics used far less ambiguous words

to make things clearer. They did so for valid and intelligent reasons. It is

certainly not because their "mind is on sex" as your slur says. Your phrase is

offensive even if it was not meant for Chandrashekhar ji and me.

 

For example, the great Dr. B. Suryanarain Row (grandfather of Dr. Raman)

associated the term "sexual organs" with Scorpio in his translations of

Brihajjatakam and Sarvartha Chintamani. In fact, this is the standard view of

most scholars. If you disagree with them, do so respectfully. There is no need

for arrogant slurs.

> Now keep in mind that I did not come up with this idea - This is the>

explanation given to me by Guruji, here goes; Guhya means hidden and refers> to

those parts of the body which one cannot see - not those one should hide.> If

you stand up straight and look at the mirror the genitals will be> perfectly

visible, however the anus will not and is hidden by the buttocks.> This is what

is meant by hidden.

 

In Sanskrit, the suffixes -ya and -ta are different. Looks like you do not

understand the difference between them. For example, pooj means "to pray to".

Poojita means "prayed to". OTOH, "poojya" means "prayable" or "one who is

worthy of being prayed to". Similarly, laksh means "to view". Lakshita means

"viewed". Lakshya means "one that is worthy of being viewed". That is why

lakshya means target. Sish means "to refine, discipline and culture". Sishta

means a cultured person (i.e. one who has been refined and cultured). OTOH,

sishya means one who needs to be refined and cultured. That is why sishya means

a student. Similarly, gupta means hidden (e.g. gupta dhana=hidden treasure). But

guhya means one that needs to be hidden. In mantras, secretive mantras that need

to be hidden are said to be "guhyam". Anyone who knows Sanskrit well will know

that gupta means hidden and guhya means "one that needs to be hidden".

So guhyas are not parts that you cannot see in the mirror or something like

that. They are parts that need to be hidden. Basically they are the secretive

parts of the body (that is why Jataka Parijatam uses the term "rahasya desa"

(secret area) instead of Guhya).

Even if you disagree, please see my earlier quotes from other classics which are

far less ambiguous. Other scholars such as Varahamihira, Kalyana Verma and

Mantreswara used clearer words in the place of Guhya. If one looks at all the

classics, all doubts should be cleared.

> Libra is the natural 7th house and deals

> with mating, and this being for the sake of producing children.> > Now I never

said that Päräçara said this, I said my Guruji said this. Take> it or leave it.

Visti, had you said just that, it would've been a perfectly acceptable stand.

But there is a huge difference between following one's guru and *insulting*

other great scholars. You have made great contributions to this list, including

the recent postings on celibacy. But slurs on scholars such as this "mind on

sex" thing are unbecoming of you. Please control yourself in future. You have

been such a great contributor and I do not want to punish you. I do not even

want to have to warn you again. Please co-operate.

Also, kindly make sure that you are not misrepresenting your guru here. I say it

especially because all the classics are in agreement on Scorpio and you are

contradicting all of them in the name of your guru (who is my guru too)!

Libra does represent the pelival region that includes some body parts that are

important for sexual activity, but the classics are clear in saying that

genitals themselves are represented by Scorpio and not Libra.

> As for celibacy, I have AGAIN quoted my Guruji. The rest is up to you.

I have no complaints with you in that matter! :-)

Role of Mars in celibabcy (or lack of it) is quite complicated and dualistic.

For example, Parasara and Jaimini both taught that Venus and Mars in 2nd from

swamsa make one very licentious in sexual matters. This is the opposite of

celibabcy! At the same time, Mars rules over Brahmacharyashrama. He has a dual

role to play and various scholars, including you, have pointed out various

factors very nicely. It was a nice discussion. Keep it up!

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha > Monier Williams gives the following for Basti (vasti);> lower belly

, abdomen VarBr2S. Ka1s3i1Kh. the pelvis MW.

> > Visti Larsen> visti@s... > > >

Chandrashekhar [boxdel] > 14 June 2004 23:05> Visti @

Denmark> Cc: vedic astrology> Re: [vedic astrology]

Re: Mars.... is he really karaka for celebecy> ? To Sjt.Visti Larsen> > Dear

Visti,> You wrote" As for sexual organs, Scorpio represents the private

parts... > this is not> the sexual organs but the anus, which is hidden and

hence private -* when> ones mind is on sex then even private parts become

sexual organs!*> Now I quote Guruji and again state; the 8th house indicates

the Anus (it is> private because it is hidden) whilst the 7th house shows the

reproductive> organs."> Your statement which I have made in bold types is

utterly uncalled for > and crosses the boundaries of decency.Desist from such

comments in > future.They are not in good taste.> As to what is 8th house, I

wish some body takes pains to read BPHS > Chapter 4 and Shloka3 and 4 before

attributing something to Parashara.I > would like to know what is your English

translation of Sanskrit word > Basti and Guhya that are said to be the body

parts of Kalapurusha > represented by Tula and Vrishchika rasi by the Venerated

Sage.> Perhaps I am not as good at English as others, but I do not think that >

Private parts does not refer to sexual organs.Perhaps some gentleman > having

good command over English language would like to comment. As for > Deha-vivar,

the hole you are reffering to, do I really need to teach > anatomy on the list?

Please check up the meaning of Navadwara.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.