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Dear Sanjayji,Lakshmiji,Vishwanathanji ,Vinay ji,Sweechan and all the members of

the list who took this discussion forward)

 

Thank you so much for taking my simple query and pouring the wealth of learning

into the answers(I hope I am not sounding too poetic) and taking the discussion

so much forward .

It has been a tremendous learning experience for me personally.I did not reply

earlier because frankly I really did not have much to contribute and did not

want to disturb the flow of discussions in anyway.

 

I am a new student of astrology and some of my questions may seem repetitive in

nature Please do continue to answer them in the same vein of Jupiterian wisdom

(because every time I post on the list I feel that being a beginner I may be

asking something which is either to simple to interest others or not very

relevant)

 

Also Lakshmi ji thank you for making the beginning .......and being so involved

..at one point I was feeling a little disappointed that I was not getting any

answers back till I saw yr reply on the list.It does mean a lot to us students

when we see our seniors answer the queries....

 

regards

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Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:17 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: RE:-mail on Pt S Raths article

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Hari,

Hari: I also would be grateful if you could explain your understanding of the difference between:

Lord Venkateswara

Lord Srinivasa and Padmalakshmi

Lord Varahamurthy

Lakshmi: Meaning of Venkateshwara:

 

I would like to quote Nammalvar before I proceed (ref: Tirupathi charithram &

Tirumala-Tirupathi kshetra mahaatmyam, both published by TTD)

 

“sarva paapaani vem praahuh kata sthadhaahamutchyathe

sarva papa dahoyasmaadvenkataadri rithyabhooth”

 

the meaning is that “vem” indicates all sins, while the word

“kata” burns away those sins, hence because the place has the

ability to burn away all sins, the place is called “venkataadri”.

Venkateshwara can mean both the ruler of venkataadri and also Maheshwara

burning away the shad-ripu &sins of the bhaktas.

 

Some other pundits also say that “vem” is the amrita beeja and

“katam” signifies gold, so the Lord of Venkataachalam can bestow

both aishwarya and moksha on the devotee. I leave it to you to figure out which

planet(s) are capable of these functions.

 

“kritethu Naarasimhobhuthrethaayaam Raghunandanah

dwaapare Vaasudevascha kalou Venkata naayakah

 

here the term Venkata Nayaka can refer to both Adi Varaha Murthy and

Venkateshwara and if you apply the logic of Kalou Chandi Vinaayaka here, I am

sure you’d know which planet signifies whom.

 

Meaning of Srinivasa:

 

I think “Shri” can be defined as “shreeyathe aashriyathe ithi

Shri” roughly meaning that which can sustain and provide refuge is

“Sri”. Hence the entire Universe would comprise Shri, and the One

in which the Viswam resides is Srinivasa.

 

At the time of Pralaya, the world is destroyed and the seeds of the creation are

stored away in the Parabrahma for another cycle of creation after the pralaya.

Hence Srinivasa can also mean The One in whom the world is stored at the time

of destruction. This is called samhaara-kramam or the process of Recall and it

is there even in Sri chakraaradhana.

 

Please note that there is no separate consort of the Lord on Tirumala. She

resides in Him, so Srinivasa, I feel, is the Parabrahma vaachakam. BTW, below

the feet of the Lord there is a shat-kona chakra, comprising of one oordhwa

trikona (male principle-Source) and one adho trikona (female principle-Shakti),

confirming the stupendous power & poorna Parabrahma tattwa of the Lord. This

shat-kona chakra is also symptomatic of the 6 attributes of

“Bhagavan”. Perhaps that’s why Brahmotsavams are performed to

the Lord during Dassera, because He is Mother too.

 

Padmavathi devi, though married to the Lord, leads a separate existence, to be

closer to the children, I guess, like we see in so many homes today. I think

She remained at His feet, while He grew and grew and grew. I think you know

that the entire Tirumala hill segment is a “salagrama”. I also want

to tell you that on Thursday, the Lord is divested of his usual finery and is in

austerity mode (like a brahmachari) and this process is called

“sadalimpu” or loosening…to facilitate further expansion?

Even if you consider Lord Venkateshwara as Kalki avatar, the avatar is depicted

as a warrior riding on a horse or alternatively as a horse faced warrior. Sri

Vishnu as Hayagreeva (horse faced – Ashwini nakshatra-celebrations during

Aswayuja maasa) is Guru swaroopa. Infact, if you consider the last few avataras

of the Lord, just before and during kaliyuga, as Krishna, Vyasa, Buddha, etc,

He comes across as more of a Teacher than a warrior. What we need in Kaliyuga

is Guru, one who can lead us to Light from darkness. Tamasoma jyotirgamaya.

 

Lord Venkateshwara is indeed “That”, which gives the same meaning in English or Sankrit.

 

Venkataadri samam sthaanam brahmaande naasti kinchana

Venkatesa samo devo na bhootho na bhavishyathi

 

Thanks Hari for giving me this great opportunity of thinking of the Lord. May He

bless you. I think I'll stop the thread here.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

P.S: I think I already talked too much in general, and about Sri Varaha, in

particular. I have this tendency to get carried away, despite a strongly

disapproving Saturn in lagna!! Please refer to my other emails and links for

more info on Sri Varaha. I think I answered all your queries by and large.

Hari M <onlyhari > wrote:

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Lakshmi,

 

I know that my question is too primitive and that is why I am asking you

separately instead of asking Sanjay, for whom apparently, it is all childs

play! It has to do with Sanskrit and the question is: Of the two dictums 'Kaloh

Chandi Vinayaka' and 'Kalou Venkata Nayakasya', why is it that the first one

refers to both Ra & Ke whereas the latter refers to Ra only? Secondly I

understand from Sanjay's email that Varahamurthi is also referred to as Lord

Venkatesvara whereas you insist that this should be Vamana. I am confused!

regards

Hari

lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote:

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Gurudeva,

 

I am indeed honoured to have your reply, Sir, and may I say with a great deal of

nostalgia that it seems like old times again. What more can a sishya ask for

than a correction / clarification from the Guru? Suddenly there seems to be a

full moon lighting up the sky on this nearly new moon day!

 

Guruji, the question of verifying the puranic basis of your teaching does not

arise, because this very thread started with me trying to explain the import of

your words, through my inadequate intellect. By the way, has the discussion

discovered the real meaning of your words or were we miles off?

 

Sanjayji, there is a varahamurthy temple on the Tirumala Hills (next to the

Pushkarini) and unless one visits this temple first, it is said that there is

no accrual of punya on account of visit to Balaji temple. I think most of the

Telugu people know this, you can ask Narasimha Ji also. The official version of

the story given out by TTD goes that when Srinivasa wanted to stay on the

Tirumala Hills, he sought permission from Varaha murthy, who was already being

worshipped there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave permission, He also expressed

the sentiment that once Srinivasa stays on the Hills, no one would be inclined

to worship Varaha. Then Srinivasa said that unless one worships Sri Varaha

before worshipping Balaji, the visit would be fruitless. So, Sri Varahamurthy,

as Rahu avatar, had been worshipped on the Tirumala hills from time immemorial.

 

 

Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, in his breath-taking pravachanams, repeatedly

says that the “tattwa / nature /intention /specific power” of the

deity must be understood by the study of the vigraha. Balaji’s vigraha

is distinctive because of the huge “naamam” that hides half of His

eyes and the entire “aagnya” chakra. The “netra

darsanam” is allowed only on Thursdays, when the full power of the Lord

is said to be experienced. Again, it is also known that the Lord also sports a

golden sword (Nandaka, which reincarnated as Annamayya, as the legend goes),

which is symbolic of Aakasa tattwa, apart from the chakra (agni)and Sankha

(jala), that usually adorn the Vishnu vigrahas.

 

And, Gurudeva, I think only Light can remove the tamas. Infact, Rathasaptami

(the birthday of Sun), is celebrated as one-day brahmotsvam of the Lord in

Tirumala, when the Lord is taken out in procession on various vahanas

throughout the day, from sunrise to sunset. If He is indeed Rahu avatar, I

think it is unlikely to happen.

 

I feel that Sri Varaha as Rahu (downward movement) indicates the basic impulse

of Kaliyuga and Srinivasa as Trivikrama (Anantha=upward movement) negates it.

Infact, because of the “sword” factor, there are quite a few who

argue that Balaji could be Kalki avatar, and they could very well be right.

Anyway, as you have very beautifully pointed out, whatever be the name, they

all belong to Him, The Nameless One.

 

Guruji, I could be wrong on hundred counts, and I will gleefully wait for your

corrections, because that would be great education in itself, for the entire

list.

 

Om Namo Naarayanaaya.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

Sanjay Rath <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote:

::Sri Guru::

Dear Lakshmi

The dictum is Kaloh Chandi Vinayaka meaning that during the period/effects of

the dark or tamas planets Rahu and Ketu one should propitiate Chandi (for Rahu)

and Vinayaka or Ganesha (for Ketu). The similar dictum "Kalou Venkata

Nayakasya". refers to the Lord Balaji as having te special form of the Varaha

Avatar and removing all the negatives of Rahu during Kali yuga. This Varaha

Murty is also described in the Puranas - very specifically in the Skanda Purana

and is called Venkatesvara Mahatmya.

I think my teaching is based on the foundation of the Puranas.

However, you can worship Balaji with every mantra for every avatar as well and

you will get the results.

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

Web Pages: http://srath.com

 

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<nisha1970@h...> wrote:

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

Om Namah Shivaye

>

> Dear Sanjayji,Lakshmiji,Vishwanathanji ,Vinay ji,Sweechan and all

the members of the list who took this discussion forward)

>

> Thank you so much for taking my simple query and pouring the

wealth of learning into the answers(I hope I am not sounding too

poetic) and taking the discussion so much forward .

> It has been a tremendous learning experience for me personally.I

did not reply earlier because frankly I really did not have much to

contribute and did not want to disturb the flow of discussions in

anyway.

>

> I am a new student of astrology and some of my questions may seem

repetitive in nature Please do continue to answer them in the same

vein of Jupiterian wisdom (because every time I post on the list I

feel that being a beginner I may be asking something which is either

to simple to interest others or not very relevant)

>

> Also Lakshmi ji thank you for making the beginning ........and

being so involved ..at one point I was feeling a little disappointed

that I was not getting any answers back till I saw yr reply on the

list.It does mean a lot to us students when we see our seniors answer

the queries....

>

> regards

> Nisha

>

-

> lakshmi ramesh

> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:17 PM

> RE: [vedic astrology] Re: RE:-mail on Pt S Raths article

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Hari,

>

> Hari: I also would be grateful if you could explain your

understanding of the difference between:

>

> Lord Venkateswara

> Lord Srinivasa and Padmalakshmi

>

> Lord Varahamurthy

>

> Lakshmi: Meaning of Venkateshwara:

>

>

>

> I would like to quote Nammalvar before I proceed (ref: Tirupathi

charithram & Tirumala-Tirupathi kshetra mahaatmyam, both published by

TTD)

>

>

>

> "sarva paapaani vem praahuh kata sthadhaahamutchyathe

>

> sarva papa dahoyasmaadvenkataadri rithyabhooth"

>

>

>

> the meaning is that "vem" indicates all sins, while the

word "kata" burns away those sins, hence because the place has the

ability to burn away all sins, the place is called "venkataadri".

Venkateshwara can mean both the ruler of venkataadri and also

Maheshwara burning away the shad-ripu &sins of the bhaktas.

>

>

>

> Some other pundits also say that "vem" is the amrita beeja

and "katam" signifies gold, so the Lord of Venkataachalam can bestow

both aishwarya and moksha on the devotee. I leave it to you to figure

out which planet(s) are capable of these functions.

>

>

>

> "kritethu Naarasimhobhuthrethaayaam Raghunandanah

>

> dwaapare Vaasudevascha kalou Venkata naayakah

>

>

>

> here the term Venkata Nayaka can refer to both Adi Varaha Murthy

and Venkateshwara and if you apply the logic of Kalou Chandi

Vinaayaka here, I am sure you'd know which planet signifies whom.

>

>

>

> Meaning of Srinivasa:

>

>

>

> I think "Shri" can be defined as "shreeyathe aashriyathe ithi

Shri" roughly meaning that which can sustain and provide refuge

is "Sri". Hence the entire Universe would comprise Shri, and the One

in which the Viswam resides is Srinivasa.

>

>

>

> At the time of Pralaya, the world is destroyed and the seeds of

the creation are stored away in the Parabrahma for another cycle of

creation after the pralaya. Hence Srinivasa can also mean The One in

whom the world is stored at the time of destruction. This is called

samhaara-kramam or the process of Recall and it is there even in Sri

chakraaradhana.

>

>

>

> Please note that there is no separate consort of the Lord on

Tirumala. She resides in Him, so Srinivasa, I feel, is the Parabrahma

vaachakam. BTW, below the feet of the Lord there is a shat-kona

chakra, comprising of one oordhwa trikona (male principle-Source) and

one adho trikona (female principle-Shakti), confirming the stupendous

power & poorna Parabrahma tattwa of the Lord. This shat-kona chakra

is also symptomatic of the 6 attributes of "Bhagavan". Perhaps that's

why Brahmotsavams are performed to the Lord during Dassera, because

He is Mother too.

>

>

>

> Padmavathi devi, though married to the Lord, leads a separate

existence, to be closer to the children, I guess, like we see in so

many homes today. I think She remained at His feet, while He grew and

grew and grew. I think you know that the entire Tirumala hill segment

is a "salagrama". I also want to tell you that on Thursday, the Lord

is divested of his usual finery and is in austerity mode (like a

brahmachari) and this process is called "sadalimpu" or loosening.to

facilitate further expansion?

>

>

>

> Even if you consider Lord Venkateshwara as Kalki avatar, the

avatar is depicted as a warrior riding on a horse or alternatively as

a horse faced warrior. Sri Vishnu as Hayagreeva (horse faced -

Ashwini nakshatra-celebrations during Aswayuja maasa) is Guru

swaroopa. Infact, if you consider the last few avataras of the Lord,

just before and during kaliyuga, as Krishna, Vyasa, Buddha, etc, He

comes across as more of a Teacher than a warrior. What we need in

Kaliyuga is Guru, one who can lead us to Light from darkness.

Tamasoma jyotirgamaya.

>

>

>

> Lord Venkateshwara is indeed "That", which gives the same meaning

in English or Sankrit.

>

>

>

> Venkataadri samam sthaanam brahmaande naasti kinchana

>

> Venkatesa samo devo na bhootho na bhavishyathi

>

>

>

> Thanks Hari for giving me this great opportunity of thinking of

the Lord. May He bless you. I think I'll stop the thread here.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Lakshmi

>

>

>

> P.S: I think I already talked too much in general, and about Sri

Varaha, in particular. I have this tendency to get carried away,

despite a strongly disapproving Saturn in lagna!! Please refer to my

other emails and links for more info on Sri Varaha. I think I

answered all your queries by and large.

>

>

>

> Hari M <onlyhari> wrote:

>

> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

>

> Dear Lakshmi,

>

> I know that my question is too primitive and that is why I am

asking you separately instead of asking Sanjay, for whom apparently,

it is all childs play! It has to do with Sanskrit and the question

is: Of the two dictums 'Kaloh Chandi Vinayaka' and 'Kalou Venkata

Nayakasya', why is it that the first one refers to both Ra & Ke

whereas the latter refers to Ra only? Secondly I understand from

Sanjay's email that Varahamurthi is also referred to as Lord

Venkatesvara whereas you insist that this should be Vamana. I am

confused!

> regards

> Hari

>

>

> lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

>

>

>

> Namaste Gurudeva,

>

>

>

> I am indeed honoured to have your reply, Sir, and may I say

with a great deal of nostalgia that it seems like old times again.

What more can a sishya ask for than a correction / clarification

from the Guru? Suddenly there seems to be a full moon lighting up the

sky on this nearly new moon day!

>

>

>

> Guruji, the question of verifying the puranic basis of your

teaching does not arise, because this very thread started with me

trying to explain the import of your words, through my inadequate

intellect. By the way, has the discussion discovered the real meaning

of your words or were we miles off?

>

>

>

> Sanjayji, there is a varahamurthy temple on the Tirumala

Hills (next to the Pushkarini) and unless one visits this temple

first, it is said that there is no accrual of punya on account of

visit to Balaji temple. I think most of the Telugu people know this,

you can ask Narasimha Ji also. The official version of the story

given out by TTD goes that when Srinivasa wanted to stay on the

Tirumala Hills, he sought permission from Varaha murthy, who was

already being worshipped there. While Sri Varaha willingly gave

permission, He also expressed the sentiment that once Srinivasa stays

on the Hills, no one would be inclined to worship Varaha. Then

Srinivasa said that unless one worships Sri Varaha before worshipping

Balaji, the visit would be fruitless. So, Sri Varahamurthy, as Rahu

avatar, had been worshipped on the Tirumala hills from time

immemorial.

>

>

>

> Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, in his breath-taking

pravachanams, repeatedly says that the "tattwa /

nature /intention /specific power" of the deity must be understood by

the study of the vigraha. Balaji's vigraha is distinctive because of

the huge "naamam" that hides half of His eyes and the entire "aagnya"

chakra. The "netra darsanam" is allowed only on Thursdays, when the

full power of the Lord is said to be experienced. Again, it is also

known that the Lord also sports a golden sword (Nandaka, which

reincarnated as Annamayya, as the legend goes), which is symbolic of

Aakasa tattwa, apart from the chakra (agni)and Sankha (jala), that

usually adorn the Vishnu vigrahas.

>

>

>

> And, Gurudeva, I think only Light can remove the tamas.

Infact, Rathasaptami (the birthday of Sun), is celebrated as one-day

brahmotsvam of the Lord in Tirumala, when the Lord is taken out in

procession on various vahanas throughout the day, from sunrise to

sunset. If He is indeed Rahu avatar, I think it is unlikely to

happen.

>

>

>

> I feel that Sri Varaha as Rahu (downward movement) indicates

the basic impulse of Kaliyuga and Srinivasa as Trivikrama

(Anantha=upward movement) negates it. Infact, because of the "sword"

factor, there are quite a few who argue that Balaji could be Kalki

avatar, and they could very well be right. Anyway, as you have very

beautifully pointed out, whatever be the name, they all belong to

Him, The Nameless One.

>

>

>

> Guruji, I could be wrong on hundred counts, and I will

gleefully wait for your corrections, because that would be great

education in itself, for the entire list.

>

>

>

> Om Namo Naarayanaaya.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Lakshmi

>

>

>

>

>

> Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> wrote:

>

> ::Sri Guru::

> Dear Lakshmi

> The dictum is Kaloh Chandi Vinayaka meaning that during the

period/effects of the dark or tamas planets Rahu and Ketu one should

propitiate Chandi (for Rahu) and Vinayaka or Ganesha (for Ketu). The

similar dictum "Kalou Venkata Nayakasya". refers to the Lord Balaji

as having te special form of the Varaha Avatar and removing all the

negatives of Rahu during Kali yuga. This Varaha Murty is also

described in the Puranas - very specifically in the Skanda Purana and

is called Venkatesvara Mahatmya.

> I think my teaching is based on the foundation of the

Puranas.

> However, you can worship Balaji with every mantra for every

avatar as well and you will get the results.

> Best Wishes

> Sanjay Rath

> Web Pages: http://srath.com

>

>

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