Guest guest Posted November 27, 2004 Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 One can understand your self's egarness to prove that your bad words are coming true but just read the home page of From http://www.kanchi-sathya.org ==================================================== Star TV has surpassed Nakkeeran in Tamil Nadu. Their telecast of an alleged confession by His Holiness raises several important issues. 1. Police interrogation of His Holiness in police custody was held in-camera. It is not open to any one else and certainly not to any media. 2. Police claim all the investigations have been videographed. 3. If Star TV is indeed in possession of this video, why is it that they are not telecasting the tape with complete visuals and audio track, instead of resorting to graphics and voice over commentary? 4. Why did they telecast this in part on day one and subsequently add the dramatising parts referring to His Holiness crying and making a confession? 5. Appearing in the Saidapet Court on 26.11.2004 His Holiness stated that "the allegation that he had instigated an assault on three persons was false and that he has been falsely implicated in the case for ulterior reasons". He has also said that the Sankara Raman case was foisted on him for ulterior reasons. 6. In his order dated 20.11.2004 Justice R. Balsubramaniam said that "The government is right that it is not bound to give all the details to the petitioner at this stage." When something is denied to the accused on legal grounds, no prosecution will destroy its own case by handing over such an important tape to the media at this stage. 7. Apparently Star TV has taken this story from Nakkeeran issue dated November 24-27, 2004. This is purely a speculation on the part of the magazine on what could have happened in the investigation. The article also claims that the Acharya said that he would commit suicide. Such is the credibility of the publication. 8. It is obvious that this story is the figment of imagination of the media which is hungry for sensational stories to increase circulation and viewership. What colour their journalism takes does not seem to matter. 9. The Mutt is in consultation with its legal counsel exploring the possibility of a restraint order against such irresponsible media behaviour. It is a battle to be fought with patience and proper planning. It is important for all of us to understand some legal nuances. 1. The point to be remembered is that any statement made to the police during investigation by a person in police custody does not have any evidentiary value in the court. 2. When the petitioner comes to court to the witness box in the trial court and gives a statement on oath, only that becomes the evidence to convict or acquit the petitioner/accused. 3. In a case of circumstantial evidence, it is a difficult job for any prosecution to prove the guilt of the accused, to the hilt. Therefore let us not get unduly swayed or worried by such slander. Given this the only thing all of us can do is to be patient and be stead-fast in our faith. These are not easy times and there are no quick solutions. Let us be prepared for this unholy onslaught on our sensibilities and devotion. But never ever should we allow fear, panic and doubt to erode our faith and devotion. ================================== I hope you will read the last line more carefully. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar vedic astrology, Noname Noname <nameisego> wrote: > Dear Friends, > > As per the interrogation reports which came out in STAR NEWS channel yesterday, and some newspapers today, > > The accused in question admitted the following which is written in the way swamiji replied. > Compare this with what self had written. > > > 1) " I told him (man who arranged murderer) that this letter should be his "LAST LETTER" > > 2) " He (Murderer) called me before doing the job (Murder) and soon after completing the job. > > 3) " I paid him the money for the job and also more money > as he started "BLACK MAILING ME" > > 4) I don't want to live now. > > 5) "I had lost my mind in those ten minutes(When he ordered the job) > > 6) "I am really very sorry...please pardon me..(He was sobbing )" > > > We will wait for the final transcript in its complete form to come out. > > Self would not be entering into futile discussion on this subject as it is painful to us(Including self) > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > nameisego <nameisego> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > There is a saying in Gujarati which means, > 12th house Rahu either puts the jathaka in fetters (Hancuffs) or Hangs > him. > This combination is in chart of Yassar Arafat (Vrishabha Lagna) chart > He spent last years of his life in imprisonment confined to a house in > Palestine. > 2nd chart is of Sri Sankaracharya J.S > > Much against the sentimental postings posted by all of you speaking in > favour > of Sri Sankaracharya, Undersigned begs to differ from you all, > simply because > the analysis of his chart by HP Theory tells a different story. > This is the story of uncontrolled Mercury placed with ketu in KL chart. > His chart as seen from KL lagna with R1 position, will be as under. > DOB : 18th July 1935 > TOB : 7.00 PM > 79E26 > 10N42 > Dhanur....Rahu (Kaal Lagna)Sake, Guke. > Kumbha....Moon, Sat ® > Mithunam..Ketu, Budha, SaRa, GuRa. > Kataka....Surya > Simha.....Sukra > Tula......Kuja, Guru > Dasa at birth : Kuja > Present Dasa Bhukti....Budha-Sani-Ketu > > Analysis : > R1 POSITION or KAALA LAGNA > He is running 5th pratyari dasa of Budha who is associated with Ketu, > SaRa and GuRa are in 7th from KL. > In KL, Budha becomes Badhakadhipati and is occupying Badhakasthanam. > Asociation of Budha with very powerful Rahus of Sani and Guru along > with Lunar Ketu is one of the most unbecoming aspect of this horoscope. > Mercury with such an influence in his dasa period would make a person > whimsical, resorting > to exteremes,Lying, cheating, fraud and make him perform Dushkarma . > It would make him very ambitious. > If in trade/finances, such a combination would make a person resort to > illegal > and Unethical ways and means.Association of Mercury with Ketu/Rahu > would give a > person association with dushkarmis like Robbers, cheats, Murderers etc. > such Mercury would make the person Buddhi Bhrasta. > Mercury in 6th from Natural Lagna with ketu would give him diseases > connected with ductless glands(Hormone secreting), hence he would > suffer from Metal tension, > and diseases of pancreas, stomach, heart etc. > > R10 POSITION > If you take up this chart with R10 position BRL, to check his Karma > and Bhagya , > It makes the picture much clearer. > Both the Karmadhipati Guru and Bhagyadhipati Kuja are in 8th position. > Mercury again becomes badhakadhipati in this position. Since 10th lord > is also Rajyasthanadhipati, government would fail to protect him due > to karmabadha/karmapida. > 12th house is occupied by Vakri Sani and Chandra.Sani being in 9th > from Dasanatha would bring dihonour/padachyuti from high post, > destruction of Dharma etc in its bhukti if dasa is a bad dasa. > > In this case all these things indicate, > THAT THE JATHAKA WOULD BE DISHONOURED, HE WILL HAVE TO SUFFER > IMPRISONMENT/PUNISHMENT > AND BEFORE SANI BHUKTI ENDS, HE WOULD HAVE TO ABDICATE HIS POSITION. > MORE WORSE THAN THIS IS, HE HAS A GANDAM TO HIS LIFE . > HE MAY SUFFER SOME BODY HARM WHICH MAY BE SELF INFLICTED ALSO. > God , please show kindly Light. > Tamasoma Jyotir gamaya. > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2004 Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 Dear Nameisego, The so-called interrogation reports that you allude to are absolute hogwash, if I can say so. First,these interrogation reports have not been authorized by any investigating agency and should merely be be treated as "sensational rumours" like the nonsense about the waiting helicopter to Nepal that the Swamiji was going to jump into ala an MGR :-)) Second,it is highly disturbing to see a reasonably reputed TV station like STAR replay this silly garbage emanating from the likes of SUN TV and other vernacular magazines without even a cursory checking of facts and authentication of sources. Whilst no one expects Star to be a BBC, basic journalistic integrity and competence is expected of them (neither integrity or competence is expected from SUN and their ilk). Third,even if there had been such an interrogationa and the Swamiji had indeed "confessed", it still is NOT EVIDENCE (I hope this is dinned firmly into your head). For it to possess evidentiary value, either the Swamiji must sign it and attest it or alternatively, state those very words in the stand if and when called by the prosecution or the defence. Fourth, it would have to be a very incompetent prosecution and police force that "leaks" such potentially explosive material before the trial PUBLICLY to all and sundry in order to provide ample time and opportunity for the defence counsel to tear it to shreds. Lastly,if these are the straws that you are clutching at to establish your astrological credentials (HP or otherwise), then I am afraid you cut a very sorry figure, indeed. thanks and kind regards Sriraman ------------------------ Sriraman ("Sri") Annaswamy Sydney, Australia vedic astrology, Noname Noname <nameisego> wrote: > Dear Friends, > > As per the interrogation reports which came out in STAR NEWS channel yesterday, and some newspapers today, > > The accused in question admitted the following which is written in the way swamiji replied. > Compare this with what self had written. > > > 1) " I told him (man who arranged murderer) that this letter should be his "LAST LETTER" > > 2) " He (Murderer) called me before doing the job (Murder) and soon after completing the job. > > 3) " I paid him the money for the job and also more money > as he started "BLACK MAILING ME" > > 4) I don't want to live now. > > 5) "I had lost my mind in those ten minutes(When he ordered the job) > > 6) "I am really very sorry...please pardon me..(He was sobbing )" > > > We will wait for the final transcript in its complete form to come out. > > Self would not be entering into futile discussion on this subject as it is painful to us(Including self) > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > nameisego <nameisego> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > There is a saying in Gujarati which means, > 12th house Rahu either puts the jathaka in fetters (Hancuffs) or Hangs > him. > This combination is in chart of Yassar Arafat (Vrishabha Lagna) chart > He spent last years of his life in imprisonment confined to a house in > Palestine. > 2nd chart is of Sri Sankaracharya J.S > > Much against the sentimental postings posted by all of you speaking in > favour > of Sri Sankaracharya, Undersigned begs to differ from you all, > simply because > the analysis of his chart by HP Theory tells a different story. > This is the story of uncontrolled Mercury placed with ketu in KL chart. > His chart as seen from KL lagna with R1 position, will be as under. > DOB : 18th July 1935 > TOB : 7.00 PM > 79E26 > 10N42 > Dhanur....Rahu (Kaal Lagna)Sake, Guke. > Kumbha....Moon, Sat ® > Mithunam..Ketu, Budha, SaRa, GuRa. > Kataka....Surya > Simha.....Sukra > Tula......Kuja, Guru > Dasa at birth : Kuja > Present Dasa Bhukti....Budha-Sani-Ketu > > Analysis : > R1 POSITION or KAALA LAGNA > He is running 5th pratyari dasa of Budha who is associated with Ketu, > SaRa and GuRa are in 7th from KL. > In KL, Budha becomes Badhakadhipati and is occupying Badhakasthanam. > Asociation of Budha with very powerful Rahus of Sani and Guru along > with Lunar Ketu is one of the most unbecoming aspect of this horoscope. > Mercury with such an influence in his dasa period would make a person > whimsical, resorting > to exteremes,Lying, cheating, fraud and make him perform Dushkarma . > It would make him very ambitious. > If in trade/finances, such a combination would make a person resort to > illegal > and Unethical ways and means.Association of Mercury with Ketu/Rahu > would give a > person association with dushkarmis like Robbers, cheats, Murderers etc. > such Mercury would make the person Buddhi Bhrasta. > Mercury in 6th from Natural Lagna with ketu would give him diseases > connected with ductless glands(Hormone secreting), hence he would > suffer from Metal tension, > and diseases of pancreas, stomach, heart etc. > > R10 POSITION > If you take up this chart with R10 position BRL, to check his Karma > and Bhagya , > It makes the picture much clearer. > Both the Karmadhipati Guru and Bhagyadhipati Kuja are in 8th position. > Mercury again becomes badhakadhipati in this position. Since 10th lord > is also Rajyasthanadhipati, government would fail to protect him due > to karmabadha/karmapida. > 12th house is occupied by Vakri Sani and Chandra.Sani being in 9th > from Dasanatha would bring dihonour/padachyuti from high post, > destruction of Dharma etc in its bhukti if dasa is a bad dasa. > > In this case all these things indicate, > THAT THE JATHAKA WOULD BE DISHONOURED, HE WILL HAVE TO SUFFER > IMPRISONMENT/PUNISHMENT > AND BEFORE SANI BHUKTI ENDS, HE WOULD HAVE TO ABDICATE HIS POSITION. > MORE WORSE THAN THIS IS, HE HAS A GANDAM TO HIS LIFE . > HE MAY SUFFER SOME BODY HARM WHICH MAY BE SELF INFLICTED ALSO. > God , please show kindly Light. > Tamasoma Jyotir gamaya. > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2004 Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 Dear Prabodh, I agree with what you say. Star news haas released different versions of what His Holiness said and the one quoted is just one of them. Their credibility is at new low. Chandrashekhar. amolmandar wrote: One can understand your self's egarness to prove that your bad words are coming true but just read the home page of From http://www.kanchi-sathya.org ==================================================== Star TV has surpassed Nakkeeran in Tamil Nadu. Their telecast of an alleged confession by His Holiness raises several important issues. 1. Police interrogation of His Holiness in police custody was held in-camera. It is not open to any one else and certainly not to any media. 2. Police claim all the investigations have been videographed. 3. If Star TV is indeed in possession of this video, why is it that they are not telecasting the tape with complete visuals and audio track, instead of resorting to graphics and voice over commentary? 4. Why did they telecast this in part on day one and subsequently add the dramatising parts referring to His Holiness crying and making a confession? 5. Appearing in the Saidapet Court on 26.11.2004 His Holiness stated that "the allegation that he had instigated an assault on three persons was false and that he has been falsely implicated in the case for ulterior reasons". He has also said that the Sankara Raman case was foisted on him for ulterior reasons. 6. In his order dated 20.11.2004 Justice R. Balsubramaniam said that "The government is right that it is not bound to give all the details to the petitioner at this stage." When something is denied to the accused on legal grounds, no prosecution will destroy its own case by handing over such an important tape to the media at this stage. 7. Apparently Star TV has taken this story from Nakkeeran issue dated November 24-27, 2004. This is purely a speculation on the part of the magazine on what could have happened in the investigation. The article also claims that the Acharya said that he would commit suicide. Such is the credibility of the publication. 8. It is obvious that this story is the figment of imagination of the media which is hungry for sensational stories to increase circulation and viewership. What colour their journalism takes does not seem to matter. 9. The Mutt is in consultation with its legal counsel exploring the possibility of a restraint order against such irresponsible media behaviour. It is a battle to be fought with patience and proper planning. It is important for all of us to understand some legal nuances. 1. The point to be remembered is that any statement made to the police during investigation by a person in police custody does not have any evidentiary value in the court. 2. When the petitioner comes to court to the witness box in the trial court and gives a statement on oath, only that becomes the evidence to convict or acquit the petitioner/accused. 3. In a case of circumstantial evidence, it is a difficult job for any prosecution to prove the guilt of the accused, to the hilt. Therefore let us not get unduly swayed or worried by such slander. Given this the only thing all of us can do is to be patient and be stead-fast in our faith. These are not easy times and there are no quick solutions. Let us be prepared for this unholy onslaught on our sensibilities and devotion. But never ever should we allow fear, panic and doubt to erode our faith and devotion. ================================== I hope you will read the last line more carefully. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar vedic astrology, Noname Noname <nameisego> wrote: > Dear Friends, > > As per the interrogation reports which came out in STAR NEWS channel yesterday, and some newspapers today, > > The accused in question admitted the following which is written in the way swamiji replied. > Compare this with what self had written. > > > 1) " I told him (man who arranged murderer) that this letter should be his "LAST LETTER" > > 2) " He (Murderer) called me before doing the job (Murder) and soon after completing the job. > > 3) " I paid him the money for the job and also more money > as he started "BLACK MAILING ME" > > 4) I don't want to live now. > > 5) "I had lost my mind in those ten minutes(When he ordered the job) > > 6) "I am really very sorry...please pardon me..(He was sobbing )" > > > We will wait for the final transcript in its complete form to come out. > > Self would not be entering into futile discussion on this subject as it is painful to us(Including self) > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > nameisego <nameisego> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > There is a saying in Gujarati which means, > 12th house Rahu either puts the jathaka in fetters (Hancuffs) or Hangs > him. > This combination is in chart of Yassar Arafat (Vrishabha Lagna) chart > He spent last years of his life in imprisonment confined to a house in > Palestine. > 2nd chart is of Sri Sankaracharya J.S > > Much against the sentimental postings posted by all of you speaking in > favour > of Sri Sankaracharya, Undersigned begs to differ from you all, > simply because > the analysis of his chart by HP Theory tells a different story. > This is the story of uncontrolled Mercury placed with ketu in KL chart. > His chart as seen from KL lagna with R1 position, will be as under. > DOB : 18th July 1935 > TOB : 7.00 PM > 79E26 > 10N42 > Dhanur....Rahu (Kaal Lagna)Sake, Guke. > Kumbha....Moon, Sat ® > Mithunam..Ketu, Budha, SaRa, GuRa. > Kataka....Surya > Simha.....Sukra > Tula......Kuja, Guru > Dasa at birth : Kuja > Present Dasa Bhukti....Budha-Sani-Ketu > > Analysis : > R1 POSITION or KAALA LAGNA > He is running 5th pratyari dasa of Budha who is associated with Ketu, > SaRa and GuRa are in 7th from KL. > In KL, Budha becomes Badhakadhipati and is occupying Badhakasthanam. > Asociation of Budha with very powerful Rahus of Sani and Guru along > with Lunar Ketu is one of the most unbecoming aspect of this horoscope. > Mercury with such an influence in his dasa period would make a person > whimsical, resorting > to exteremes,Lying, cheating, fraud and make him perform Dushkarma . > It would make him very ambitious. > If in trade/finances, such a combination would make a person resort to > illegal > and Unethical ways and means.Association of Mercury with Ketu/Rahu > would give a > person association with dushkarmis like Robbers, cheats, Murderers etc. > such Mercury would make the person Buddhi Bhrasta. > Mercury in 6th from Natural Lagna with ketu would give him diseases > connected with ductless glands(Hormone secreting), hence he would > suffer from Metal tension, > and diseases of pancreas, stomach, heart etc. > > R10 POSITION > If you take up this chart with R10 position BRL, to check his Karma > and Bhagya , > It makes the picture much clearer. > Both the Karmadhipati Guru and Bhagyadhipati Kuja are in 8th position. > Mercury again becomes badhakadhipati in this position. Since 10th lord > is also Rajyasthanadhipati, government would fail to protect him due > to karmabadha/karmapida. > 12th house is occupied by Vakri Sani and Chandra.Sani being in 9th > from Dasanatha would bring dihonour/padachyuti from high post, > destruction of Dharma etc in its bhukti if dasa is a bad dasa. > > In this case all these things indicate, > THAT THE JATHAKA WOULD BE DISHONOURED, HE WILL HAVE TO SUFFER > IMPRISONMENT/PUNISHMENT > AND BEFORE SANI BHUKTI ENDS, HE WOULD HAVE TO ABDICATE HIS POSITION. > MORE WORSE THAN THIS IS, HE HAS A GANDAM TO HIS LIFE . > HE MAY SUFFER SOME BODY HARM WHICH MAY BE SELF INFLICTED ALSO. > God , please show kindly Light. > Tamasoma Jyotir gamaya. > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2004 Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 Dear Chandrashekhar,Amol , I agree! Star TV et al are not to be believed.If any of you have seen a movie called as "Enemy of the State" then you will recall that the first weapon used is to discredit the targeted person.Once that is done the person loses credibility and 2 birds are killed with one stone. That is what is happening to Swamiji! By the way my previous Chara dasa calculation has been rectified by me with a little help. I have posted the same on my website but for the benefit of other list members: I have the following Dasa antardasa sequence . Makar 11 years till 7/1946 Dhanus 10 years till 7/1956 Vrsichika 7 years till 7/1963 Tula 10 years till 7/1973 Kanya 3 years till 7/1976 Simha 1 year till 7/1977 Karka 5 years till 7/1982 Mithuna 12 years till 7/1994 Vrishabha 3 years till 7/1997 Mesha 6 years till 7/2003 Meena 5 years till 7/2008 Hence Meena dasa is going on from 18 July 2003.The corresponding antardasa is that of Karka from 18 September 2004. Meena is the 6th dasa from the position of Atmakaraka Jupiter in the Rashi chart and Karka the antardasa has Sun the Gnathikaraka in it . Hence Meena dasa is going on from 18 July 2003.The corresponding antardasa is that of Karka from 18 September 2004. Meena is the 6th dasa from the position of Atmakaraka Jupiter in the Rashi chart and Karka the antardasa has Sun the Gnathikaraka in it signifying Royal disfavour and sudden fall. The doubt arose in my mind after the first Chara dasa analysis about the calculation and after a through check and past correlation I have presented this proper dasa calculation. Note that the antardasa sequence in the Mithuna dasa(from 7/1982 to 7/1994) was as follows: Vrishabha till 18/7/1983, Mesha till 18/7/1984, Meena till 18/7/1985, Kumbha till 18/7/1986 and Makar till18/7/1987. Note that from 18/7/1987 till 18/7/1988 the antardasa of Dhanus who has Rahu in it was going on.This is the 12th house from lagna and has the Atmakaraka in the 12th from it.This is the period in which the Shakaracharya left his Mutt and was somewhat untraceable for sometime. I think that this analysis should be proved right as time goes by. Regards M Pandit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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