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rama narayanan <sree88ganesha (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Sun, 21 Nov 2004

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Kalachakra Dasa Analysis of Sri Jayendra Saraswathi"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" ,

vedic astrologyCC: prajakta pole , Raman Suprajarama ,

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SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

 

Dear Narasimha & Raman,

 

Namaste. i would like to share what i know about kalachakra. Already i sent a

mail in this regard. Let me take up the chart of Shri.Jayendra Saraswati. i am

using chaitra paksha ayanamsa and the following data for this purpose.

 

Date of birth: July 18, 1935. Time of birth:- 19hours 4 minutes and 20

seconds(rectified) Place:- Irul Neeki (79E26' 10 N42').

 

Nakshatra positions of planets & ascendant:-

Lagna:-uttarashada 4 Sun:- Punarvasu 4 Moon:- Dhanishta 4

Mars:- Chitra 3 Buda Aridra 2 Guru:- Visaka 1 Sukra:-Purvaphalguni 1

Sani®:-Satayam 4 Rahu:-Uttarashada 1 Ketu:- Punarvasu 3

Mandi:-Rohini 4 Gulika:- Mrigasira 3 HL:- Makha 2 GL:- Revati 3

 

Kalachakra - the navamsa diagram/chart:-(refer previous mail)

Lagna:- Meena Sun:-Kataka Moon:- Mesha Mars:-Tula Buda:-Kumbha

Guru:-Vrischika Sukra:-kataka Sani:-Dhanur Rahu:-Dhanur Ketu:-Mithuna

Mandi:-Simha Gulika:-Vrishaba HL:-Tula GL:-Kumba AL:-Kataka A6:-Mithuna

 

Some prelims:

 

Savya chakra dasas are to commence from deha rasi and end with jeeva rasis while

Apasavya chakra dasas are to commence from jeeva rasis and end with deha rasis.

 

Dasa balance is to be calculated on the dasa years of deha rasis in respect of

savya chakras and that of jeeva rasis in respect of apasavya chakras.

 

Antardasas and pratyantardasas will follow the same pattern as that of mahadasa cycle.

 

Sage parasara identifies only three gatis viz. simvahalochana, mandooka and markata gatis.

 

Dasa/antardasa/pratyantardasa pattern in respect of savya charkra:-

 

Rasi dasa pattern

No.of years

Mesha 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9

100

Vrishbha 10,11,12,8,7,6,4,5,3 85

Mithuna 2,1,12,11,10,9,1,2,3 83

Kataka 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 86

Simha 8,7,6,4,5,3,2,1,12

100

Kanya 11,10,9,1,2,3,4,5,6

85

Tula 7,8,9,10,11,12,8,7,6

83

Vrischika 4,5,3,2,1,12,11,10,9 86

Dhanur 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9

100

Makara 10,11,12,8,7,6,4,5,3

85

Kumbha 2,1,12,11,10,9,1,2,3 83

Meena 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12

86

 

Dasa/Antardasa/Pratyantardasa pattern in respect of apasavya chakra:-

 

Rasi dasa pattern No.

of years

 

Vrischika 9,10,11,12,1,2,3,5,4

86

Tula 6,7,8,12,11,10,9,8,7

83

Kanya 6,5,4,3,2,1,9,10,11

85

Simha 12,1,2,3,5,4,6,7,8

100

Kataka 12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,4

86

Mithuna 3,2,1,9,10,11,12,1,2

83

Vrishabha 3,5,4,6,7,8,12,11,10

85

Mesha 9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1

100

Meena 12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,4

86

Kumbha 3,2,1,9,10,11,12,1,2

83

Makara 3,5,4,6,7,8,12,11,10

85

Dhanur 9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1

100

 

Notes:- The numbers given under the column dasa pattern represent the signs of

the zodiac ( 1 means mesha , 2, means vrishbha and so on).

 

Based on the above understanding let us work out the dasa and antardasa in the

horoscope of Shri. Jayendra Saraswati. He was born in the nakshatra dhanista in

the 4th pada. Dhanishta belongs to apasavya group. His Moon falls in the

navamsa of Mesha the paramaayus of which is 100 years. The dasa pattern is as

follows;

Dhanur,vrishchika,tula, kanya,simha,kataka,mithuna,vrishabha and mesha.

 

As the dasa pattern is apasavya the first dasa will commence with jeeva rasi

which in this case is dhanur rasi. The rasi period of dhanur is 10 years. Moon

has travelled in the 4th pada to an extent of 76.4323 minutes. The balance

remaining to be travelled works out to 123.5677 minutes. The dasa balance

therefore works out to 6 years 2 months and 4 days of dhanur dasa. As per this

calculation the acharya is running mithuna mahadasa since 22nd september 1999.

This dasa is upto september 2008.

 

Inorder to workout the antardasa now look at mithuna in apasavya chakra for the

antardasa pattern. The dasa pattern for mithuna is as follows:

Mithuna,vrishabha,mesha,dhanur,makara, kumbha, meena, mesha and vrishabha. As

per this pattern he is running the antardasa of kumbha from 16th september

2004'(upto 22nd february 2005).

 

Inorder to workout the pratyantardasa now look at kumbha in apasavya chakra for

the pratyantardasa pattern. The dasa pattern for kumbha is as follows:-

Mithuna,vrishbha, mesha,dhanur, makara,kumbha, meeena, mesha and vrishabha. As

per this pattern he was running the pratyantar dasa of mesha when he was

arrested. Mesha is his deha rasi and is subject to the graha dristhi of mars

and rahu. We can clearly see the working of curse of past birth. As per the

gati principle taught we can feel the effects of dhanur sani combined with

rahu on the mesha moon.

 

Now let us look up these two dasas(MD & AD). Mithuna mahadasa and Kumbha

antardasa. As per the kalachakra diagram ketu and shatrupada are found in

mithuna and the dasa lord Buda is found placed in the 12th house kumba. The

antar dasa is that of kumbha whose lords Sani & Rahu are found placed in 10th

house dhanur. The dasa lord Buda is placed in 12th house kumbha and is in

bandana on account of pressures of Mars(cop) in 8th and ketu in 4th from

lagna(9th & 5th position with respect to buda). Mithuna rasi is found placed in

12th to arudha lagna found in kataka. Kumbha rasi whose antardasa is currently

running is found placed in the 12th lagna and 8th to arudha lagna. The lagna

lord and atmakaraka guru is found placed between malefics sani,rahu and mars in

vrischika.

 

Dear Narasimha, if you feel the above understanding is acceptable to you, you

can feel free to use them for the forthcoming mumbai conference.

 

Best wishes.

 

Astrologically yours,

p.s.ramanarayanan."Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

Om Namassivaaya

Namaste Sri Raman,

 

> The Dasa system given above is different from that given in JH.

 

Thank you for giving your calculations. You said that these calculations are different from JHora.

 

That is true based on the old JHora calculations. But I have changed my views

earlier this year. After meditating on this for several years, I found a

satisfactory answer to my burning questions on Kalachakra dasa. The next

release of JHora will give some new options for Kalachakra dasa.

 

Your calculations match my latest calculations as far as mahadasas are concerned

(excepting that you are using 365 day years instead of 365.2425 day years and

hence losing some days over the years).

 

However, we have a big disagreement on antardasas. You are using the Vimsottari

dasa paradigm and starting antardasas from mahadasa sign. This approach of

yours creates gatis (leaps) not mentioned by Shiva or Parasara. For example,

take someone born with Moon in Aswini 2nd pada. Mahadasas go as Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc,

Li, Vi, Cn, Le and Ge. Using your approach, antardasas in Ge mahadasa go as Ge,

Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc, Li, Vi, Cn and Le. The jump from Ge to Cp is not mentioned by

Shiva or Parasara. Please note that Shiva indicated the applicability of gatis

in antardasas also.

 

These unsanctioned gatis in antardasas are the biggest drawback of your approach.

 

The approach I have tried in the latest public release of JHora was to go to the

next quarter's navamsa cycle when we approach the end of a navamsa cycle. In the

example given above, antardasas in Ge mahadasa would go as Ge, Ta, Ar, Pi etc

(i.e. use Aswini 3rd quarter's cycle after Aswini 2nd quarter's cycle ends,

instead of wrapping back to the beginning of Aswini 2nd quarter's cycle). This

ensures that there are no awkward/unsanctioned leaps in antardasas.

 

However, I was not fully satisfied. Antardasas jumping ahead of mahadasas and

pratyantardasas jumping ahead of antardasas and going from one dasa cycle to

another is not pretty too, though it atleast avoids gatis not sanctioned by

Shiva.

 

I actually was troubled by a bigger problem. Shiva explicitly taught Parvati the

results of various antardasas in various mahadasas in savya and apasavya cycles.

He gave 2x12x9=216 separate results (2 cycles, 12 mahadasa signs, 9 antardasa

signs in each). Both your approach and my approach result in several

mahadasa-antardasa combinations that are outside of the list mentioned by

Shiva. So both these approaches of antardasa reckoning must be incorrect. I was

troubled by this for a long time and kept searching for the correct approach.

 

After I meditated on this for long, a very simple and fundamental realization

came to me that finally enabled me to solve the puzzle. Once I thought of it,

it now seems so obvious that I wonder why I could not think of it earlier. It

just feels like common sense now. Pt. Sanjay Rath also found it satisfactory

and he blessed it.

 

The mahadasas allocated to various navamsas are essentially navamsa signs

themselves too!!!! We are mapping the 108 navamsas back to 108 navamsas. We are

mapping each navamsa to nine different navamsas.

 

For example, suppose Moon is in Aswini 1st quarter, i.e. Aries navamsa. The

mahadasas are said to be Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc and Sg. These are

nothing but the nine navamsas in Aries rasi, i.e. Aswini 1, 2, 3, 4, Bharani 1,

2, 3, 4 and Krittika 1. Look at the dasa signs as not just any signs but as

navamsas within a particular sign.

 

The four quarters of Aswini get 9 navamsas each in their dasa cycles and thus

they cover 36 navamsas, i.e. one-third of the zodiac (Aswini 1-Asresha 4). The

four quarters of Bharani get the next one-third (Magha 1-Jyeshtha 4). The four

quarters of Krittika get the last one-third (Moola 1-Revathi 4). Then we go to

apasavya nakshatras and they get the 108 navamsas starting from Jyeshtha 4 and

ending in Moola 1 (mirror image of the savya zodiac)! That covers Rohini,

Mrigasira and Ardra. Then we are back to the savya zodiac and get 108 navamsas

from Aswini 1 to Revathi 4 for Punarvasu, Pushyami and Asresha. And so on.

 

Let us take the chart of Swami Jayendra Saraswati. Please allow me to use

Chitrapaksha ayanamsa and a birthtime of 7:00 pm (actually, I have rectified it

slightly, but will not share that time for now). Natal Moon is in Dhanishtha 4th

quarter. The dasas, as you mentioned, go as Sg, Sc, Li, Vi, Le, Cn, Ge, Ta and

Ar. These are nothing but the 9 navamsas of Aries (mirror image of Scorpio -

which contains Dhanishtha 4), going backward from Krittika 1 to Aswini 1! The

four quarters of Sravanam get the 36 navamsas starting from Jyeshtha 4 and

ending in Magha 1. The four quarters of Dhanishtha get the 36 navamsas starting

from Asresha 4 and ending in Aswini 1.

 

Thus, Dhanishtha 4 gets Krittika 1, Bharani 4, 3, 2, 1, Aswini 4, 3, 2 and 1.

Gemini (current mahadasa) corresponds to Aswini 3rd quarter. Here are the

mahadasas (the nakshatra padas corresponding to the mahadasas are given in

brackets by JHora).

 

Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Apasavya group, Paramayush = 100 years):

 

Maha Dasas:

 

Sg (Krit1): 1931-11-10 (22:58:38) - 1941-11-10 (12:34:07)

Sc (Bhar4): 1941-11-10 (12:34:07) - 1948-11-10 (7:33:19)

Li (Bhar3): 1948-11-10 (7:33:19) - 1964-11-10 (9:58:34)

Vi (Bhar2): 1964-11-10 (9:58:34) - 1973-11-10 (17:27:58)

Le (Bhar1): 1973-11-10 (17:27:58) - 1978-11-11 (0:06:08)

Cn (Aswi4): 1978-11-11 (0:06:08) - 1999-11-11 (9:23:38)

Ge (Aswi3): 1999-11-11 (9:23:38) - 2008-11-10 (16:49:55) <<<<

Ta (Aswi2): 2008-11-10 (16:49:55) - 2024-11-10 (19:13:15)

Ar (Aswi1): 2024-11-10 (19:13:15) - 2031-11-11 (14:23:58)

 

Now, my simple idea is to take the navamsa (nakshatra pada) corresponding to

mahadasa sign and treat that as natal Moon's navamsa and find antardasas using

the same procedure used in finding mahadasas!!!! Thus, mahadasas, antardasas,

pratyantardasas etc stick to the same methodology. They use the same mapping.

 

This means that we not only stick to the gatis sanctioned by Shiva at the

antardasa level also (and at all levels), but we stick to the

mahadasa-antardasa combinations described by Shiva. We do not get any

mahadasa-antardasa combinations outside of the list given by Shiva with this

approach. This approach is quite logical and consistent. Though there is still

one small issue that troubles me, this may be mostly correct. Pt Sanjay Rath

and I will be presenting this research in great detail at the Mumbai conference

(though I will not be physically present, I will be present in spirit), so that

scholars can experiment with it and judge it.

 

Thus, to find the antardasas in Ge dasa of Swamiji, look at the dasa cycle

corresponding to Aswini 3rd quarter. Here are the calculations.

 

Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Apasavya group, Paramayush = 100 years):

 

Ge (Aswi3) MD: 1999-11-11 (9:23:38) - 2008-11-10 (16:49:55)

 

Antardasas in this MD:

 

Ta (Mrig3): 1999-11-11 (9:23:38) - 2001-08-05 (11:54:10)

Ar (Mrig4): 2001-08-05 (11:54:10) - 2002-05-07 (3:06:26)

Pi (Ardr1): 2002-05-07 (3:06:26) - 2003-06-07 (22:37:25)

Aq (Ardr2): 2003-06-07 (22:37:25) - 2003-11-15 (17:31:32)

Cp (Ardr3): 2003-11-15 (17:31:32) - 2004-04-18 (19:04:09)

Sg (Ardr4): 2004-04-18 (19:04:09) - 2005-05-20 (9:00:30) <<<<

Ar (Puna1): 2005-05-20 (9:00:30) - 2006-02-21 (12:15:15)

Ta (Puna2): 2006-02-21 (12:15:15) - 2007-11-20 (1:18:55)

Ge (Puna3): 2007-11-20 (1:18:55) - 2008-11-10 (16:49:55)

 

The antardasa running right now, as per this method, is Sg. Please note that Sg

is the 12th house of imprisonment in the natal rasi chart and Rahu occupies it!

Moreover, the nakshatra involved is Ardra, owned by Rudra. This is also a

Simhavalokana antardasa! Bottomline is that he is unfortunately running the

mahadasa of 6th house and antardasa of 12th house and these two signs are

occupied by nodes in both rasi and navamsa.

 

After we present this method of finding Kalachakra dasa at Mumbai in detail, I

will release a newer version of JHora that supports this method. I am sorry for

teaching a wrong version of Kalachakra dasa in the past and sincerely hope that

I got it right this time.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

vedic astrology, "Raman Suprajarama" <cru115@n...> wrote:

> Dear friends and esteemed scholars,

>

> Namasthe!

>

> Kalachakra Dasa Analysis of Sri Jayendra Saraswathi's chart is given below:

>

> July 18, 1935

> Time: 18:39:00

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 79 E 09' 00", 10 N 48' 00"

> Thanjavur, India

>

> Kalachakra Mahadasa-Antardasa-Pratyandartasa

>

> MD Dhanus Guru 18-Jul-35 12-Mar-38

> MD Vrischika Mars 12-Mar-38 10-Mar-45

> MD Tula Sukra 10-Mar-45 06-Mar-61

> MD Kanya Budha 06-Mar-61 04-Mar-70

> MD Simha Surya 04-Mar-70 03-Mar-75

> MD Kataka Chandra 03-Mar-75 26-Feb-96

> MD Mithuna Budha 26-Feb-96 23-Feb-05

>

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Mithuna Budha 26-Feb-96

> 14-Dec-96

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Vrishabha Sukra 14-Dec-96 21-May-98

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Mesha Kuja 21-May-98 03-Jan-99

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Dhanus Guru 03-Jan-99 23-Nov-99

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Vrischika Mars 23-Nov-99

> 07-Jul-00

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Tula Sukra 07-Jul-00 12-Dec-01

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Kanya Budha 12-Dec-01 30-Sep-02

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Simha Surya 30-Sep-02 11-Mar-03

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Kataka Chandra 11-Mar-03

> 24-Jun-05

>

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Katk Chandra 11-Mar-03 02-Aug-03

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Mithna Budha 02-Aug-03 02-Oct-03

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Vrish Sukra 02-Oct-03 19-Jan-04

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Mesha Kuja 19-Jan-04 07-Mar-04

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Dhanus Guru 07-Mar-04 14-May-04

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Vrisca Mars 14-May-04 01-Jul-04

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Tula Sukra 01-Jul-04 18-Oct-04

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Kanya Budha 18-Oct-04 18-Dec-04

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Simha Surya 18-Dec-04 21-Jan-05

>

>

> The Dasa system given above is different from that given in JH. The dates

> given are start and end dates respectively. An error of about 16 days exists

> due to human limitations. I use Raman Ayanamsa.

>

> From the above, we can see that the seer of Kanchi is running Mahadasa of

> Mithuna-Budha, Antardasa of Kataka-Chandra and Pratyantar Dasa of

> Kanya-Budha.

>

> Mithuna-Budha Dasa - The lord of the sign, Mercury is in the 6th, an

> inimical sign. Natural benefic Jupiter aspects him, but Jupiter is inturn

> afflicted by his association with natural malefic Mars. In Navamsa, he is in

> Lagna, but Sun aspects him. The lord of that sign is well placed in 2nd and

> viewed by Venus.

>

> Kataka-Chandra Antardasa - The sign is afflicted by presence of 8th lord Sun

> and aspect of Rahu (external influence). Ketu acts like Mars and is good to

> a certain level. Lord of the sign, Sun is in the 2nd from lagna, along with

> Lagna lord and has favorable aspect of Jupiter (Spiritual leaders).

> Influence of rulers is usually characterized by this Antardasa.

>

> Kanya-Budha Pratyantardasa - The sign is not occupied by any planet. The

> lord of the sign is placed in an inimical sign and also not well placed in

> Navamsa. In Navamsa, Sun (political heads) aspects him. He has Rahu and

> Saturn on either side.

>

> These indications show the influence of 6th house and Sun (planet denoting

> political leaders). The influence of Rahu is also high indicating external

> influences. At this point, I am not able to conclude what this influence is.

> Rahu in Makara indicates aberration of mind.

>

> The next pratyantardasa is of Simha Surya (18-Dec-04 to 21-Jan-05). It is

> the 8th sign from Lagna. Yogakaraka Venus is placed present which is

> beneficial. Further, Lagna lord Saturn and Moon aspect it. Sign lord Sun is

> well placed in the 7th along with Ketu, but aspected by Rahu. In Navamsa, he

> is again well placed in 7th, in his own sign, and aspected by Mercury and

> benefic Jupiter. The current period might give a solution to the case and

> help the seer.

>

> I request readers to kindly give their observations.

>

> Om Tat Sat,

>

> Raman Suprajarama

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