2nd house Jup in various roles--to Lakshmi Ramesh don't take literal meanin

September 19, 2004

Hello Lakshmi Ji,

You seem to take this dictum literally where as you do not take any

Jyotisha rule literally.

Raja Yoga does not always mean getting a kingdom.

Maraka Dasa does not always mean Death.

Same way BHAVA NASHA /BHAVA VRIDHHI words should not be taken

literally.

There is a degree of effect ,

either good or bad

that all planets/yogas impart to a bhava.

So please take all astrology rules /dictums in this context.

Hope you would understand.

Tatvam-Asi

vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh

<b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Chandrasekar ji,

>

> Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in own house/moolatrikona. Please

look at the ashtakavarga & bala of Saturn. Who is more empowered to

protect the house, based on both strength and functionality, Jupiter

or Saturn? I request you to ponder on this.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> Dear Lakshmi,

> If I may point out, in Javed's case Guru is in own house and in

Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts Guru. The dictum is Sthana rakshati

Mandah. Guru's exception to house damage occurs when he is in own

house.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> lakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Pradeep ji,

>

> I happen to know of individuals who have strong Guru in 4th and

7th. Strong Guru in 4th has blessed the individual with great

knowledge, an intelligence that borders on genius and a rare inner

harmony. That person, a devout Muslim, is one of the finest

individuals I have ever come across, and he is very attached to his

family and mother and there are no problems what so ever on the home

front. This individual is highly esteemed in his work environment and

has all the comforts one could desire. Infact, Guru in 4th is

supposed to cast sukhargala on lagna, which is good for the general

health & happiness of the person.

>

> The individual with Jupiter & Saturn in 7th (Dhanus) is my own dear

husband. We have been very happily married for nearly 20 years. My

husband has prospered remarkably after marriage.

>

> I am posting the charts here.

>

> I request that you also post the charts of the individuals to whom

you were referring in your post, for our edification and discussion.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>

> I have been trying to test the principles taught by you related to

> guru in various bhavas.

>

> When in 3rd always some difficulties for siblings.Even when in own

> sign and in 4th,problems for mother and at home front.

>

> When in 7th at marriage front.When in Lagna and not in own sign

some

> physical weakness and health problems in childhood.

>

> Thus Guru tests the individual thouroughly.

>

> Also sages have advised that Guru is not favourable while

transiting

> kendra houses 1,4,and 10th from moon.Only the 7th kendra is

> beneficial.(Is there any reason for this?) Only 2nd,5th,7th and 9th

> are favourable.11th being good for all planets in general.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> wrote:

> > Dear Anuj,

> > I am glad you agree with me. As you rightly said in your message

> to

> > Razdan,a the dictum is pretty well known to astrologers. There

are

> many

> > shlokas to that effects and charts prove the veracity of the

> dictum, I

> > have myself posted a few of them earlier.

> > Unfortunately there is a tendency to mix up terms like

> Benefic/Malefic

> > with the results a planet is likely to give. This happens more

> with

> > Jupiter as people usually tend to equate it with Deeksha Guru as

> his

> > name in Sanskrit is Guru. People tend to forget Parashara telling

> when

> > Guru can act as Maraka and want to attribute only good and pious

> > attributes to him. I prefer to keep my personal feelings and

> prejudices

> > apart from application of astrological principles.

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > nameisego wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Respected Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > Please accpet my pranams as you are the senior most Guru in age

> and

> > > experience in this group.

> > > Your observation about Guru is absolutely right.

> > > Self had posted in this group and elsewhere an article on "

> > > "Guru Boon or Bane??" some time back where it was shown Guru's

> > > position in various houses which had been destroyed/troubled by

> Guru.

> > >

> > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva

> > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau Shanih"

> > > This Dictum had been proved by self.

> > >

> > > You may (Mr.Razdan) go thro' older postings and read for

> yourself and

> > > check the examples that were given.

> > >

> > > Difference between Jupiter and saturn is, Jupiter sucks the

> goodness

> > > of a house and gives fruit to houses it aspects. Saturn sucks

the

> > > houses he aspects and increases the house it occupies.

> > >

> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter still

> > > further.

> > > > Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a

> designated as a

> > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle of "Karka

> Bhavo

> > > Nasa"

> > > > . Now you say that it will harm every house it is placed in.

> Why

> > > this

> > > > animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in Vedic

> > > Astrology

> > > > (in lighter vein).

> > > >

> > > > You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given by

> you. But

> > > > take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It always

speaks

> of

> > > the

> > > > benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said, that

> > > howsoever

> > > > bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the

> subject. And

> > > > this has been amply proved by our experience.

> > > > I am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork for

> convincing

> > > all

> > > > about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly Brahiman. This

> would

> > > even

> > > > mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology.

> > > > Pran Razdan

> > > >

> > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > Reference to Leo was in connection with what Shubhangi had

> asked.

> > > > > Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is a dictum given

> by

> > > sages

> > > > > and

> > > > > there is no reason to try to find out the reason. If one

> wants to

> > > > > find

> > > > > the reason about Leo, consider this in natural zodiac Leo

is

> in

> > > 5th

> > > > > house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka Bhava

> Dasha. In

> > > > > 11th

> > > > > all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter who is

> Shubha

> > > there.

> > > > >

> > > > > Disha strength is one amongst many strengths considered but

> not

> > > as

> > > > > strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prafulla Gang wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be preferred in Leo

for

> > > > > Muhurta,

> > > > > > I do not know much about muhurta related

> configurations),It may

> > > not

> > > > > > become weak in terms of Bala necessarily (generally

> speaking).

> > > In

> > > > > > fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is considered bad.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have directional

> strength

> > > to

> > > > > > initiate for results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There must be more than this reason, for jupiter to give

> > > negative

> > > > > > results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards/Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <boxdel>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Shubhangi,

> > > > > > > Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter looses his

> > > strength in

> > > > > > Leo

> > > > > > > and that is why there are no Muhurtas for marriages when

> > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That is

due

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > fact of

> > > > > > > Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun being in

> own

> > > Rasi

> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > him Shubha and therefore good relations with Father.

But

> I

> > > would

> > > > > > say he

> > > > > > > would not follow father's profession.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Shubhangi Naik wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am

curious

> to

> > > know

> > > > > > the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and

> hence

> > > this

> > > > > > email.

> > > > > > > >Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's case also.

> > > > > > > >My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no doubt he

> is very

> > > > > > intelligent but did not do much well in academics and

yes,

> he

> > > did

> > > > > > fail once in his 10th class.

> > > > > > > >With my half knowledge I thought the reason to be the

> > > > > positioning

> > > > > > of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why

jup

> > > losses

> > > > > > strength in leo.

> > > > > > > >But though both planets are positioned in 8th, both

> father

> > > and

> > > > > > son shares good relation with each other.

> > > > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > > > >Shubhangi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>Dear Dhira,

> > > > > > > >>There you see the dictum working. Is it not?

> > > > > > > >>Regards,

> > > > > > > >>Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>>>In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength

> in Leo.

> > > > > Any

> > > > > > problems

> > > > > > > >>>>in education?

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>No, except for one year I didn't study and failed.

> That

> > > was in

> > > > > > 1986-87, my

> > > > > > > >>>first year of university. Interesting, I get

> Vimshottari

> > > Ven-

> > > > > > Rahu-Jup and

> > > > > > > >>>Sat for that year.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>>Yours,

> > > > > > > >>>Dhira Krsna dasa,

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September 20, 2004

Namaste Sir,

I generally do not take any dictum literally, but a lot of others seemed to do

so. That's what upset me.

Thank you for your affection.

Regards,

Lakshmi

nameisego <nameisego > wrote:

Hello Lakshmi Ji,You seem to take this dictum literally where as you do not take

any Jyotisha rule literally.Raja Yoga does not always mean getting a

kingdom.Maraka Dasa does not always mean Death.Same way BHAVA NASHA /BHAVA

VRIDHHI words should not be taken literally.There is a degree of effect ,

either good or bad that all planets/yogas impart to a bhava.So please take all

astrology rules /dictums in this context.Hope you would

understand.Tatvam-Asivedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh

<b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Chandrasekar ji,>

> Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in own house/moolatrikona. Please look at

the ashtakavarga & bala of Saturn. Who is more empowered to

protect the house, based on both strength and functionality, Jupiter or Saturn?

I request you to ponder on this.> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > Chandrashekhar

<boxdel> wrote:> Dear Lakshmi,> If I may point out, in Javed's case Guru

is in own house and in Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts Guru. The dictum is

Sthana rakshati Mandah. Guru's exception to house damage occurs when he is in

own house.> Chandrashekhar.> > lakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah> >

Namaste Pradeep ji,> > I happen to know of individuals who have strong Guru in

4th and 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has blessed the individual with great

knowledge, an intelligence that borders on genius and a rare inner harmony.

That person, a devout Muslim, is one of the finest individuals I have ever come

across, and he is very attached to his family and

mother and there are no problems what so ever on the home front. This individual

is highly esteemed in his work environment and has all the comforts one could

desire. Infact, Guru in 4th is supposed to cast sukhargala on lagna, which is

good for the general health & happiness of the person.> > The individual with

Jupiter & Saturn in 7th (Dhanus) is my own dear husband. We have been very

happily married for nearly 20 years. My husband has prospered remarkably after

marriage.> > I am posting the charts here.> > I request that you also post

the charts of the individuals to whom you were referring in your post, for our

edification and discussion.> > Regards,> Lakshmi > > > > vijayadas_pradeep

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> Dear Chandrashekhar ji> > I have been trying

to test the principles taught

by you related to > guru in various bhavas.> > When in 3rd always some

difficulties for siblings.Even when in own > sign and in 4th,problems for

mother and at home front.> > When in 7th at marriage front.When in Lagna and

not in own sign some > physical weakness and health problems in childhood.> >

Thus Guru tests the individual thouroughly.> > Also sages have advised that

Guru is not favourable while transiting > kendra houses 1,4,and 10th from

moon.Only the 7th kendra is > beneficial.(Is there any reason for this?) Only

2nd,5th,7th and 9th > are favourable.11th being good for all planets in

general.> > Respect> Pradeep> > vedic astrology,

Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > wrote:> > Dear Anuj,> > I am glad you agree with

me. As you rightly said in your message > to > >

Razdan,a the dictum is pretty well known to astrologers. There are > many > >

shlokas to that effects and charts prove the veracity of the > dictum, I > >

have myself posted a few of them earlier.> > Unfortunately there is a tendency

to mix up terms like > Benefic/Malefic > > with the results a planet is likely

to give. This happens more > with > > Jupiter as people usually tend to equate

it with Deeksha Guru as > his > > name in Sanskrit is Guru. People tend to

forget Parashara telling > when > > Guru can act as Maraka and want to

attribute only good and pious > > attributes to him. I prefer to keep my

personal feelings and > prejudices > > apart from application of astrological

principles.> > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > nameisego wrote:> > > > >>

> >

Respected Chandrashekhar ji.> > > Please accpet my pranams as you are the senior

most Guru in age > and> > > experience in this group.> > > Your observation

about Guru is absolutely right.> > > Self had posted in this group and

elsewhere an article on "> > > "Guru Boon or Bane??" some time back where it

was shown Guru's> > > position in various houses which had been

destroyed/troubled by > Guru.> > >> > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva> > > Bhava

Vriddhhi karau Shanih"> > > This Dictum had been proved by self.> > >> > > You

may (Mr.Razdan) go thro' older postings and read for > yourself and> > > check

the examples that were given.> > >> > > Difference between Jupiter and saturn

is, Jupiter sucks the > goodness> > > of a house and gives fruit to houses it

aspects. Saturn sucks the> > > houses he aspects and increases the house it

occupies.> > >> > > Tatvam-Asi> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --- In

vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan>> > > wrote:> > > >

Dear Chandrashekhar,> > > > You seem to be extending your arguments against

Jupiter still> > > further.> > > > Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses

it is a > designated as a> > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the

principle of "Karka > Bhavo> > > Nasa"> > > > . Now you say that it will harm

every house it is placed in. > Why> > > this> > > > animosity with Jup, the

hope of millions believing in Vedic> > > Astrology> >

> > (in lighter vein).> > > >> > > > You refer to some dictum of a sage, source

was not given by > you. But> > > > take out any basic book on ancient

astrology. It always speaks > of> > > the> > > > benefic qualities of Jupiter.

Somewhere it is even said, that> > > howsoever> > > > bad it may be placed in,

it will still try to help the > subject. And> > > > this has been amply proved

by our experience.> > > > I am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork

for > convincing> > > all> > > > about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly

Brahiman. This > would> > > even> > > > mean a paradigm shift in Vedic

Astrology.> > > > Pran Razdan> > > >> > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:> > > >> > > > > Dear Prafulla,> > > > > Reference to Leo was in

connection with what Shubhangi had > asked.> > > > > Jupiter harming the house

he is placed in is a dictum given > by> > > sages> > > > > and> > > > > there

is no reason to try to find out the reason. If one > wants to> > > > > find> >

> > > the reason about Leo, consider this in natural zodiac Leo is > in> > >

5th> > > > > house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka Bhava > Dasha.

In> > > > > 11th> > > > > all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter who

is > Shubha> > > there.> > > > >> > > > > Disha strength is one amongst many

strengths considered but > not> >

> as> > > > > strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna.> > > > >

Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > Prafulla Gang wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > Dear

Chandrashekhar ji> > > > > >> > > > > > In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be

preferred in Leo for> > > > > Muhurta,> > > > > > I do not know much about

muhurta related > configurations),It may> > > not> > > > > > become weak in

terms of Bala necessarily (generally > speaking).> > > In> > > > > > fact,

jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is considered bad.> > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter

in 11th house (any sign) will have directional > strength> > > to> > > > > >

initiate for results.> > > > > >> > > > > > There must be more than this reason,

for jupiter to give> > > negative> > > > > > results.> > > > > >> > > > > >

regards/Prafulla Gang> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar> > > > > <boxdel>> > > > >

> wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Shubhangi,> > > > > > > Being an Indian you must know

that Jupiter looses his> > > strength in> > > > > > Leo> > > > > > > and that is

why there are no Muhurtas for marriages when> > > Jupiter> > > > > > > occupies

Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That is due > to>

> > the> > > > > > fact of> > > > > > > Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's

case Sun being in > own> > > Rasi> > > > > > makes> > > > > > > him Shubha and

therefore good relations with Father. But > I> > > would> > > > > > say he> > >

> > > > would not follow father's profession.> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Shubhangi Naik wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Dear

Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Sorry for intervening in your session, but I

am curious > to> > > know> > > > > > the logic behind jupiter losing its

strength in leo and >

hence> > > this> > > > > > email.> > > > > > > >Yes, your dictum worked in my

brother's case also.> > > > > > > >My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no

doubt he > is very> > > > > > intelligent but did not do much well in academics

and yes, > he> > > did> > > > > > fail once in his 10th class.> > > > > > >

>With my half knowledge I thought the reason to be the> > > > > positioning> >

> > > > of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why jup> > >

losses> > > > > > strength in leo.> > > > > > > >But though both planets are

positioned in 8th, both > father> > > and> > > > > > son shares good relation

with each other.> >

> > > > > >Thanks,> > > > > > > >Shubhangi> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >On Wed, 15

Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote :> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>Dear Dhira,> > > > > > > >>There you see the dictum working. Is it not?> > >

> > > > >>Regards,> > > > > > > >>Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >

>>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar,> > > > > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>In your case

it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength > in Leo.> > > > > Any> > > > > >

problems> > > > > > > >>>>in education?> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>No, except for one year I didn't study and

failed. > That> > > was in> > > > > >

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Hello Lakshmiji,

Just as if on cue, self had a client yesterday having Guru in

Vrischika rasi in 5th and Sani in Mesha in 10th.

Applying Bhava nasha karo jeeva principle, self boldly told him that

he had no sons.

As it turned out, he does not have a son .

Since Jupiter is in Vrischika, it is difficult for him to have a male

issue but having sani in 10th in Mesha prompted self to predict a

male issue in his Sani bhukti of Rahu major period which he starts in

2005 December.

Many charts with self bear testimony in experiency difficulty/damage

to the bhava occupied by Guru.

Hope you wud understand Guru much better now.

By the way , could you read posting made under heading ..

"GURU BOON OR BANE?"

Tatvam-Asi

vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh

<b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Sir,

>

> I generally do not take any dictum literally, but a lot of others

seemed to do so. That's what upset me.

>

> Thank you for your affection.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> nameisego <nameisego> wrote:

>

> Hello Lakshmi Ji,

> You seem to take this dictum literally where as you do not take any

> Jyotisha rule literally.

> Raja Yoga does not always mean getting a kingdom.

> Maraka Dasa does not always mean Death.

> Same way BHAVA NASHA /BHAVA VRIDHHI words should not be taken

> literally.

> There is a degree of effect ,

> either good or bad

> that all planets/yogas impart to a bhava.

> So please take all astrology rules /dictums in this context.

> Hope you would understand.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Chandrasekar ji,

> >

> > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in own house/moolatrikona.

Please

> look at the ashtakavarga & bala of Saturn. Who is more empowered to

> protect the house, based on both strength and functionality,

Jupiter

> or Saturn? I request you to ponder on this.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > Dear Lakshmi,

> > If I may point out, in Javed's case Guru is in own house and in

> Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts Guru. The dictum is Sthana rakshati

> Mandah. Guru's exception to house damage occurs when he is in own

> house.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > lakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Pradeep ji,

> >

> > I happen to know of individuals who have strong Guru in 4th and

> 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has blessed the individual with great

> knowledge, an intelligence that borders on genius and a rare inner

> harmony. That person, a devout Muslim, is one of the finest

> individuals I have ever come across, and he is very attached to his

> family and mother and there are no problems what so ever on the

home

> front. This individual is highly esteemed in his work environment

and

> has all the comforts one could desire. Infact, Guru in 4th is

> supposed to cast sukhargala on lagna, which is good for the general

> health & happiness of the person.

> >

> > The individual with Jupiter & Saturn in 7th (Dhanus) is my own

dear

> husband. We have been very happily married for nearly 20 years. My

> husband has prospered remarkably after marriage.

> >

> > I am posting the charts here.

> >

> > I request that you also post the charts of the individuals to

whom

> you were referring in your post, for our edification and discussion.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > I have been trying to test the principles taught by you related

to

> > guru in various bhavas.

> >

> > When in 3rd always some difficulties for siblings.Even when in

own

> > sign and in 4th,problems for mother and at home front.

> >

> > When in 7th at marriage front.When in Lagna and not in own sign

> some

> > physical weakness and health problems in childhood.

> >

> > Thus Guru tests the individual thouroughly.

> >

> > Also sages have advised that Guru is not favourable while

> transiting

> > kendra houses 1,4,and 10th from moon.Only the 7th kendra is

> > beneficial.(Is there any reason for this?) Only 2nd,5th,7th and

9th

> > are favourable.11th being good for all planets in general.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> <boxdel>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Anuj,

> > > I am glad you agree with me. As you rightly said in your

message

> > to

> > > Razdan,a the dictum is pretty well known to astrologers. There

> are

> > many

> > > shlokas to that effects and charts prove the veracity of the

> > dictum, I

> > > have myself posted a few of them earlier.

> > > Unfortunately there is a tendency to mix up terms like

> > Benefic/Malefic

> > > with the results a planet is likely to give. This happens more

> > with

> > > Jupiter as people usually tend to equate it with Deeksha Guru

as

> > his

> > > name in Sanskrit is Guru. People tend to forget Parashara

telling

> > when

> > > Guru can act as Maraka and want to attribute only good and

pious

> > > attributes to him. I prefer to keep my personal feelings and

> > prejudices

> > > apart from application of astrological principles.

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > nameisego wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Respected Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > Please accpet my pranams as you are the senior most Guru in

age

> > and

> > > > experience in this group.

> > > > Your observation about Guru is absolutely right.

> > > > Self had posted in this group and elsewhere an article on "

> > > > "Guru Boon or Bane??" some time back where it was shown Guru's

> > > > position in various houses which had been destroyed/troubled

by

> > Guru.

> > > >

> > > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva

> > > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau Shanih"

> > > > This Dictum had been proved by self.

> > > >

> > > > You may (Mr.Razdan) go thro' older postings and read for

> > yourself and

> > > > check the examples that were given.

> > > >

> > > > Difference between Jupiter and saturn is, Jupiter sucks the

> > goodness

> > > > of a house and gives fruit to houses it aspects. Saturn sucks

> the

> > > > houses he aspects and increases the house it occupies.

> > > >

> > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, PNRazdan

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter

still

> > > > further.

> > > > > Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a

> > designated as a

> > > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle of "Karka

> > Bhavo

> > > > Nasa"

> > > > > . Now you say that it will harm every house it is placed

in.

> > Why

> > > > this

> > > > > animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in Vedic

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > (in lighter vein).

> > > > >

> > > > > You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given by

> > you. But

> > > > > take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It always

> speaks

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said,

that

> > > > howsoever

> > > > > bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the

> > subject. And

> > > > > this has been amply proved by our experience.

> > > > > I am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork for

> > convincing

> > > > all

> > > > > about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly Brahiman. This

> > would

> > > > even

> > > > > mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology.

> > > > > Pran Razdan

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > Reference to Leo was in connection with what Shubhangi

had

> > asked.

> > > > > > Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is a dictum

given

> > by

> > > > sages

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > there is no reason to try to find out the reason. If one

> > wants to

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > the reason about Leo, consider this in natural zodiac Leo

> is

> > in

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka Bhava

> > Dasha. In

> > > > > > 11th

> > > > > > all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter who is

> > Shubha

> > > > there.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Disha strength is one amongst many strengths considered

but

> > not

> > > > as

> > > > > > strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna.

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prafulla Gang wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be preferred in Leo

> for

> > > > > > Muhurta,

> > > > > > > I do not know much about muhurta related

> > configurations),It may

> > > > not

> > > > > > > become weak in terms of Bala necessarily (generally

> > speaking).

> > > > In

> > > > > > > fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is considered bad.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have directional

> > strength

> > > > to

> > > > > > > initiate for results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There must be more than this reason, for jupiter to give

> > > > negative

> > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards/Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <boxdel>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Shubhangi,

> > > > > > > > Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter looses his

> > > > strength in

> > > > > > > Leo

> > > > > > > > and that is why there are no Muhurtas for marriages

when

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That is

> due

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > fact of

> > > > > > > > Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun being

in

> > own

> > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > him Shubha and therefore good relations with Father.

> But

> > I

> > > > would

> > > > > > > say he

> > > > > > > > would not follow father's profession.

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Shubhangi Naik wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am

> curious

> > to

> > > > know

> > > > > > > the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and

> > hence

> > > > this

> > > > > > > email.

> > > > > > > > >Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's case also.

> > > > > > > > >My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no doubt

he

> > is very

> > > > > > > intelligent but did not do much well in academics and

> yes,

> > he

> > > > did

> > > > > > > fail once in his 10th class.

> > > > > > > > >With my half knowledge I thought the reason to be the

> > > > > > positioning

> > > > > > > of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why

> jup

> > > > losses

> > > > > > > strength in leo.

> > > > > > > > >But though both planets are positioned in 8th, both

> > father

> > > > and

> > > > > > > son shares good relation with each other.

> > > > > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > > > > >Shubhangi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>Dear Dhira,

> > > > > > > > >>There you see the dictum working. Is it not?

> > > > > > > > >>Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses

strength

> > in Leo.

> > > > > > Any

> > > > > > > problems

> > > > > > > > >>>>in education?

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>No, except for one year I didn't study and failed.

> > That

> > > > was in

> > > > > > > 1986-87, my

> > > > > > > > >>>first year of university. Interesting, I get

> > Vimshottari

> > > > Ven-

> > > > > > > Rahu-Jup and

> > > > > > > > >>>Sat for that year.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>>Yours,

> > > > > > > > >>>Dhira Krsna dasa,

> > > > > > > > >>>Jyotishi

> > > > > > > > >>>http://www.radhadesh.com

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Hello Self,

Could it be possible that you are only getting the cases which prove the dictum

rather than getting the cases where the dictum does not work? If this is the

case, how can you form an opinion on this dictum?

Secondly, having no sons is very much different from having no children.

best regards

Harinameisego <nameisego > wrote:

Hello Lakshmiji,Just as if on cue, self had a client yesterday having Guru in

Vrischika rasi in 5th and Sani in Mesha in 10th.Applying Bhava nasha karo jeeva

principle, self boldly told him that he had no sons.As it turned out, he does

not have a son .Since Jupiter is in Vrischika, it is difficult for him to have

a male issue but having sani in 10th in Mesha prompted self to predict a male

issue in his Sani bhukti of Rahu major period which he starts in 2005

December.Many charts with self bear testimony in experiency difficulty/damage

to the bhava occupied by Guru.Hope you wud understand Guru much better now.By

the way , could you read posting made under heading .."GURU BOON OR

BANE?"Tatvam-Asivedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh

<b_lakshmi_ramesh>

wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Sir,> > I generally do not take any dictum

literally, but a lot of others seemed to do so. That's what upset me.> > Thank

you for your affection.> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > nameisego <nameisego>

wrote:> > Hello Lakshmi Ji,> You seem to take this dictum literally where as

you do not take any > Jyotisha rule literally.> Raja Yoga does not always mean

getting a kingdom.> Maraka Dasa does not always mean Death.> Same way BHAVA

NASHA /BHAVA VRIDHHI words should not be taken > literally.> There is a degree

of effect , > either good or bad > that all planets/yogas impart to a bhava.>

So please take all astrology rules /dictums in this context.> Hope you would

understand.> > Tatvam-Asi> > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh >

<b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Namaste Chandrasekar

ji,> > > > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in own house/moolatrikona. Please

> look at the ashtakavarga & bala of Saturn. Who is more empowered to > protect

the house, based on both strength and functionality, Jupiter > or Saturn? I

request you to ponder on this.> > > > Regards,> > Lakshmi> > > > > >

Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:> > Dear Lakshmi,> > If I may point out, in

Javed's case Guru is in own house and in > Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts Guru.

The dictum is Sthana rakshati > Mandah. Guru's exception to house damage occurs

when he is in own >

house.> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > lakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah> > > >

Namaste Pradeep ji,> > > > I happen to know of individuals who have strong

Guru in 4th and > 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has blessed the individual with

great > knowledge, an intelligence that borders on genius and a rare inner >

harmony. That person, a devout Muslim, is one of the finest > individuals I

have ever come across, and he is very attached to his > family and mother and

there are no problems what so ever on the home > front. This individual is

highly esteemed in his work environment and > has all the comforts one could

desire. Infact, Guru in 4th is > supposed to cast sukhargala on lagna, which is

good for the general > health & happiness of the person.> > > > The individual

with Jupiter & Saturn in 7th

(Dhanus) is my own dear > husband. We have been very happily married for nearly

20 years. My > husband has prospered remarkably after marriage.> > > > I am

posting the charts here.> > > > I request that you also post the charts of

the individuals to whom > you were referring in your post, for our edification

and discussion.> > > > Regards,> > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji> > > > I have been

trying to test the principles taught by you related to > > guru in various

bhavas.> > > > When in 3rd always some difficulties for siblings.Even when in

own > > sign and in 4th,problems for mother and at home front.> > > > When in

7th at marriage front.When in

Lagna and not in own sign > some > > physical weakness and health problems in

childhood.> > > > Thus Guru tests the individual thouroughly.> > > > Also sages

have advised that Guru is not favourable while > transiting > > kendra houses

1,4,and 10th from moon.Only the 7th kendra is > > beneficial.(Is there any

reason for this?) Only 2nd,5th,7th and 9th > > are favourable.11th being good

for all planets in general.> > > > Respect> > Pradeep> > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > <boxdel> > > wrote:> > >

Dear Anuj,> > > I am glad you agree with me. As you rightly said in your message

> > to > > > Razdan,a the dictum is pretty well known to astrologers. There >

are > > many > > > shlokas to that effects and

charts prove the veracity of the > > dictum, I > > > have myself posted a few of

them earlier.> > > Unfortunately there is a tendency to mix up terms like > >

Benefic/Malefic > > > with the results a planet is likely to give. This happens

more > > with > > > Jupiter as people usually tend to equate it with Deeksha

Guru as > > his > > > name in Sanskrit is Guru. People tend to forget Parashara

telling > > when > > > Guru can act as Maraka and want to attribute only good

and pious > > > attributes to him. I prefer to keep my personal feelings and >

> prejudices > > > apart from application of astrological principles.> > > Take

care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > nameisego wrote:> > > > > > >> > > >

Respected

Chandrashekhar ji.> > > > Please accpet my pranams as you are the senior most

Guru in age > > and> > > > experience in this group.> > > > Your observation

about Guru is absolutely right.> > > > Self had posted in this group and

elsewhere an article on "> > > > "Guru Boon or Bane??" some time back where it

was shown Guru's> > > > position in various houses which had been

destroyed/troubled by > > Guru.> > > >> > > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva> > > >

Bhava Vriddhhi karau Shanih"> > > > This Dictum had been proved by self.> > >

>> > > > You may (Mr.Razdan) go thro' older postings and read for > > yourself

and> > > > check the examples that were given.> > > >> > > > Difference between

Jupiter and saturn is, Jupiter

sucks the > > goodness> > > > of a house and gives fruit to houses it aspects.

Saturn sucks > the> > > > houses he aspects and increases the house it

occupies.> > > >> > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >

> > vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan>> > > >

wrote:> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,> > > > > You seem to be extending your

arguments against Jupiter still> > > > further.> > > > > Firstly you said that

Jup is ashub in houses it is a > > designated as a> > > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10

and 11 based on the principle of "Karka > > Bhavo> > > > Nasa"> > > > > . Now

you say

that it will harm every house it is placed in. > > Why> > > > this> > > > >

animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in Vedic> > > > Astrology> >

> > > (in lighter vein).> > > > >> > > > > You refer to some dictum of a sage,

source was not given by > > you. But> > > > > take out any basic book on

ancient astrology. It always > speaks > > of> > > > the> > > > > benefic

qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said, that> > > > howsoever> > > > >

bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the > > subject. And> > > > >

this has been amply proved by our experience.> > > > > I am afraid. you will

have to do some more hardwork for > > convincing> > > >

all> > > > > about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly Brahiman. This > >

would> > > > even> > > > > mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology.> > > > >

Pran Razdan> > > > >> > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:> > > > >>

> > > > > Dear Prafulla,> > > > > > Reference to Leo was in connection with what

Shubhangi had > > asked.> > > > > > Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is

a dictum given > > by> > > > sages> > > > > > and> > > > > > there is no reason

to try to find out the reason. If one > > wants to> > > > > > find> > > > > >

the reason about Leo, consider this in natural zodiac Leo > is > >

in> > > > 5th> > > > > > house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka Bhava

> > Dasha. In> > > > > > 11th> > > > > > all planets are Shubha so it is not

only Jupiter who is > > Shubha> > > > there.> > > > > >> > > > > > Disha

strength is one amongst many strengths considered but > > not> > > > as> > > >

> > strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna.> > > > > >

Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > > Prafulla Gang wrote:> > > > > >> > > > >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In my humble view,

(Jupiter may not be preferred in Leo > for> > > > > >

Muhurta,> > > > > > > I do not know much about muhurta related > >

configurations),It may> > > > not> > > > > > > become weak in terms of Bala

necessarily (generally > > speaking).> > > > In> > > > > > > fact, jupiter in

3rd house in Libra is considered bad.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Jupiter in 11th

house (any sign) will have directional > > strength> > > > to> > > > > > >

initiate for results.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There must be more than this

reason, for jupiter to give> > > > negative> > > > > > > results.> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > regards/Prafulla Gang> > > > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar> > > >

> > <boxdel>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Shubhangi,> > > > > >

> > Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter looses his> > > > strength in> >

> > > > > Leo> > > > > > > > and that is why there are no Muhurtas for marriages

when> > > > Jupiter> > > > > > > > occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha.

That is > due > > to> > > > the> > > > > > > fact of> > > > > > > > Guru

lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun being in > > own> > > > Rasi> > > > >

> > makes> > > > > >

> > him Shubha and therefore good relations with Father. > But > > I> > > >

would> > > > > > > say he> > > > > > > > would not follow father's profession.>

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Shubhangi Naik

wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

>Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am > curious > > to> > > > know> >

> > > > > the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and > > hence> > >

> this> > > > > > > email.> > > > > > > > >Yes, your dictum worked in my

brother's case

also.> > > > > > > > >My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no doubt he > >

is very> > > > > > > intelligent but did not do much well in academics and >

yes, > > he> > > > did> > > > > > > fail once in his 10th class.> > > > > > > >

>With my half knowledge I thought the reason to be the> > > > > > positioning> >

> > > > > of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why > jup> > > >

losses> > > > > > > strength in leo.> > > > > > > > >But though both planets

are positioned in 8th, both > > father> > > > and> > > > > > > son shares good

relation with each other.> > > > > > > > >Thanks,> > > > >

> > > >Shubhangi> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004

Chandrashekhar wrote :> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Dear

Dhira,> > > > > > > > >>There you see the dictum working. Is it not?> > > > > >

> > >>Regards,> > > > > > > > >>Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >

>>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar,> > > > > > >

> >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >

> >>>>In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength > > in Leo.> > > > > >

Any> > > > > > > problems> > > > > > > > >>>>in education?> > > > > > > > >>>> >

> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>No, except for

one year I didn't

study and failed. > > That> > > > was in> > > > > > > 1986-87, my> > > > > > > >

>>>first year of university. Interesting, I get > > Vimshottari> > > > Ven-> > >

> > > > Rahu-Jup and> > > > > > > > >>>Sat for that year.> > > > > > > > >>>> >

> > > > > > >>>Yours,> > > > > > > > >>>Dhira Krsna dasa,> > > > > > > >

>>>Jyotishi> > > > > > > > >>>http://www.radhadesh.com> > > > > > > >

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September 20, 2004

It is not correct to say that we should not take every shaloka

literally. What should we do. Take them casually? Then how much of

their content is serious and how much is casual?

Shalokas chanted by Sages after invocation from Lord, are very serious

in nature. Every word of these matters. That is why various

commentators have expressed difficulty in getting at the correct

meaning of some words sometimes. BVRaman has explained it in his works

nicely.

I believe in conventional astrology and treat these shaloksa very

respectfully and seriously. Of course one has to assess their correct

meaning with respect to the age and the circumustances prevailing. If

you get incorrect interpretation sometimes it is because of the narrow

meaning you attach to their words. Raj Yoga does not mean kingdom

always, but kinglike yoga. See its strength and interpret accordingly.

Similarly Maraka means death like inflictions. There is a degree of

effect as you rightly say depending on the configuration and the

strength of the yoga forming planets.

Pran Razdan

--- nameisego <nameisego wrote:

>

> Hello Lakshmi Ji,

> You seem to take this dictum literally where as you do not take any

> Jyotisha rule literally.

> Raja Yoga does not always mean getting a kingdom.

> Maraka Dasa does not always mean Death.

> Same way BHAVA NASHA /BHAVA VRIDHHI words should not be taken

> literally.

> There is a degree of effect ,

> either good or bad

> that all planets/yogas impart to a bhava.

> So please take all astrology rules /dictums in this context.

> Hope you would understand.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Chandrasekar ji,

> >

> > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in own house/moolatrikona. Please

>

> look at the ashtakavarga & bala of Saturn. Who is more empowered to

> protect the house, based on both strength and functionality, Jupiter

> or Saturn? I request you to ponder on this.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > Dear Lakshmi,

> > If I may point out, in Javed's case Guru is in own house and in

> Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts Guru. The dictum is Sthana rakshati

> Mandah. Guru's exception to house damage occurs when he is in own

> house.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > lakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Pradeep ji,

> >

> > I happen to know of individuals who have strong Guru in 4th and

> 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has blessed the individual with great

> knowledge, an intelligence that borders on genius and a rare inner

> harmony. That person, a devout Muslim, is one of the finest

> individuals I have ever come across, and he is very attached to his

> family and mother and there are no problems what so ever on the home

> front. This individual is highly esteemed in his work environment and

>

> has all the comforts one could desire. Infact, Guru in 4th is

> supposed to cast sukhargala on lagna, which is good for the general

> health & happiness of the person.

> >

> > The individual with Jupiter & Saturn in 7th (Dhanus) is my own dear

>

> husband. We have been very happily married for nearly 20 years. My

> husband has prospered remarkably after marriage.

> >

> > I am posting the charts here.

> >

> > I request that you also post the charts of the individuals to whom

> you were referring in your post, for our edification and discussion.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > I have been trying to test the principles taught by you related to

> > guru in various bhavas.

> >

> > When in 3rd always some difficulties for siblings.Even when in own

> > sign and in 4th,problems for mother and at home front.

> >

> > When in 7th at marriage front.When in Lagna and not in own sign

> some

> > physical weakness and health problems in childhood.

> >

> > Thus Guru tests the individual thouroughly.

> >

> > Also sages have advised that Guru is not favourable while

> transiting

> > kendra houses 1,4,and 10th from moon.Only the 7th kendra is

> > beneficial.(Is there any reason for this?) Only 2nd,5th,7th and 9th

>

> > are favourable.11th being good for all planets in general.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> <boxdel>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Anuj,

> > > I am glad you agree with me. As you rightly said in your message

> > to

> > > Razdan,a the dictum is pretty well known to astrologers. There

> are

> > many

> > > shlokas to that effects and charts prove the veracity of the

> > dictum, I

> > > have myself posted a few of them earlier.

> > > Unfortunately there is a tendency to mix up terms like

> > Benefic/Malefic

> > > with the results a planet is likely to give. This happens more

> > with

> > > Jupiter as people usually tend to equate it with Deeksha Guru as

> > his

> > > name in Sanskrit is Guru. People tend to forget Parashara telling

>

> > when

> > > Guru can act as Maraka and want to attribute only good and pious

> > > attributes to him. I prefer to keep my personal feelings and

> > prejudices

> > > apart from application of astrological principles.

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > nameisego wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Respected Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > Please accpet my pranams as you are the senior most Guru in age

>

> > and

> > > > experience in this group.

> > > > Your observation about Guru is absolutely right.

> > > > Self had posted in this group and elsewhere an article on "

> > > > "Guru Boon or Bane??" some time back where it was shown Guru's

> > > > position in various houses which had been destroyed/troubled by

>

> > Guru.

> > > >

> > > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva

> > > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau Shanih"

> > > > This Dictum had been proved by self.

> > > >

> > > > You may (Mr.Razdan) go thro' older postings and read for

> > yourself and

> > > > check the examples that were given.

> > > >

> > > > Difference between Jupiter and saturn is, Jupiter sucks the

> > goodness

> > > > of a house and gives fruit to houses it aspects. Saturn sucks

> the

> > > > houses he aspects and increases the house it occupies.

> > > >

> > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, PNRazdan

> <pnrazdan>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter still

> > > > further.

> > > > > Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a

> > designated as a

> > > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle of "Karka

> > Bhavo

> > > > Nasa"

> > > > > . Now you say that it will harm every house it is placed in.

> > Why

> > > > this

> > > > > animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in Vedic

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > (in lighter vein).

> > > > >

> > > > > You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given by

> > you. But

> > > > > take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It always

> speaks

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said, that

> > > > howsoever

> > > > > bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the

> > subject. And

> > > > > this has been amply proved by our experience.

> > > > > I am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork for

> > convincing

> > > > all

>

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Dear Mr.Pran Razdan,

It goes without saying that people should assess strengths of such

placement and yogas before revealing the effects.

Astrology is an indicative tool. And it should be used judiciously.

Tatvam-Asi

vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan>

wrote:

> It is not correct to say that we should not take every shaloka

> literally. What should we do. Take them casually? Then how much of

> their content is serious and how much is casual?

> Shalokas chanted by Sages after invocation from Lord, are very

serious

> in nature. Every word of these matters. That is why various

> commentators have expressed difficulty in getting at the correct

> meaning of some words sometimes. BVRaman has explained it in his

works

> nicely.

> I believe in conventional astrology and treat these shaloksa very

> respectfully and seriously. Of course one has to assess their

correct

> meaning with respect to the age and the circumustances prevailing.

If

> you get incorrect interpretation sometimes it is because of the

narrow

> meaning you attach to their words. Raj Yoga does not mean kingdom

> always, but kinglike yoga. See its strength and interpret

accordingly.

> Similarly Maraka means death like inflictions. There is a degree of

> effect as you rightly say depending on the configuration and the

> strength of the yoga forming planets.

> Pran Razdan

>

> --- nameisego <nameisego> wrote:

>

> >

> > Hello Lakshmi Ji,

> > You seem to take this dictum literally where as you do not take

any

> > Jyotisha rule literally.

> > Raja Yoga does not always mean getting a kingdom.

> > Maraka Dasa does not always mean Death.

> > Same way BHAVA NASHA /BHAVA VRIDHHI words should not be taken

> > literally.

> > There is a degree of effect ,

> > either good or bad

> > that all planets/yogas impart to a bhava.

> > So please take all astrology rules /dictums in this context.

> > Hope you would understand.

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Chandrasekar ji,

> > >

> > > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in own house/moolatrikona.

Please

> >

> > look at the ashtakavarga & bala of Saturn. Who is more empowered

to

> > protect the house, based on both strength and functionality,

Jupiter

> > or Saturn? I request you to ponder on this.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > If I may point out, in Javed's case Guru is in own house and in

> > Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts Guru. The dictum is Sthana

rakshati

> > Mandah. Guru's exception to house damage occurs when he is in own

> > house.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > lakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Pradeep ji,

> > >

> > > I happen to know of individuals who have strong Guru in 4th and

> > 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has blessed the individual with great

> > knowledge, an intelligence that borders on genius and a rare

inner

> > harmony. That person, a devout Muslim, is one of the finest

> > individuals I have ever come across, and he is very attached to

his

> > family and mother and there are no problems what so ever on the

home

> > front. This individual is highly esteemed in his work environment

and

> >

> > has all the comforts one could desire. Infact, Guru in 4th is

> > supposed to cast sukhargala on lagna, which is good for the

general

> > health & happiness of the person.

> > >

> > > The individual with Jupiter & Saturn in 7th (Dhanus) is my own

dear

> >

> > husband. We have been very happily married for nearly 20 years.

My

> > husband has prospered remarkably after marriage.

> > >

> > > I am posting the charts here.

> > >

> > > I request that you also post the charts of the individuals to

whom

> > you were referring in your post, for our edification and

discussion.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > >

> > > I have been trying to test the principles taught by you related

to

> > > guru in various bhavas.

> > >

> > > When in 3rd always some difficulties for siblings.Even when in

own

> > > sign and in 4th,problems for mother and at home front.

> > >

> > > When in 7th at marriage front.When in Lagna and not in own sign

> > some

> > > physical weakness and health problems in childhood.

> > >

> > > Thus Guru tests the individual thouroughly.

> > >

> > > Also sages have advised that Guru is not favourable while

> > transiting

> > > kendra houses 1,4,and 10th from moon.Only the 7th kendra is

> > > beneficial.(Is there any reason for this?) Only 2nd,5th,7th and

9th

> >

> > > are favourable.11th being good for all planets in general.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > <boxdel>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Anuj,

> > > > I am glad you agree with me. As you rightly said in your

message

> > > to

> > > > Razdan,a the dictum is pretty well known to astrologers.

There

> > are

> > > many

> > > > shlokas to that effects and charts prove the veracity of the

> > > dictum, I

> > > > have myself posted a few of them earlier.

> > > > Unfortunately there is a tendency to mix up terms like

> > > Benefic/Malefic

> > > > with the results a planet is likely to give. This happens

more

> > > with

> > > > Jupiter as people usually tend to equate it with Deeksha Guru

as

> > > his

> > > > name in Sanskrit is Guru. People tend to forget Parashara

telling

> >

> > > when

> > > > Guru can act as Maraka and want to attribute only good and

pious

> > > > attributes to him. I prefer to keep my personal feelings and

> > > prejudices

> > > > apart from application of astrological principles.

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > nameisego wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > Please accpet my pranams as you are the senior most Guru in

age

> >

> > > and

> > > > > experience in this group.

> > > > > Your observation about Guru is absolutely right.

> > > > > Self had posted in this group and elsewhere an article on "

> > > > > "Guru Boon or Bane??" some time back where it was shown

Guru's

> > > > > position in various houses which had been

destroyed/troubled by

> >

> > > Guru.

> > > > >

> > > > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva

> > > > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau Shanih"

> > > > > This Dictum had been proved by self.

> > > > >

> > > > > You may (Mr.Razdan) go thro' older postings and read for

> > > yourself and

> > > > > check the examples that were given.

> > > > >

> > > > > Difference between Jupiter and saturn is, Jupiter sucks the

> > > goodness

> > > > > of a house and gives fruit to houses it aspects. Saturn

sucks

> > the

> > > > > houses he aspects and increases the house it occupies.

> > > > >

> > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, PNRazdan

> > <pnrazdan>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter

still

> > > > > further.

> > > > > > Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a

> > > designated as a

> > > > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle

of "Karka

> > > Bhavo

> > > > > Nasa"

> > > > > > . Now you say that it will harm every house it is placed

in.

> > > Why

> > > > > this

> > > > > > animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in

Vedic

> > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > (in lighter vein).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given

by

> > > you. But

> > > > > > take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It always

> > speaks

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said,

that

> > > > > howsoever

> > > > > > bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the

> > > subject. And

> > > > > > this has been amply proved by our experience.

> > > > > > I am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork for

> > > convincing

> > > > > all

> >

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