Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 --- Aman sood <amansr99 wrote: > 23 Jun 2004 18:57:57 -0000 > "Aman sood" <amansr99 > "venkatarama_sastry" > <venkatarama_sastry > >Venkatarama > > RESPECTED Venkatarama. > THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BRAHMA and > BRAHMAN.A TRUE MASTER LIKE SRI RAMAKRISHNA has > REALIZED the HIGHEST ABSOLUTE BRAHMAN.Upanishads > state clearly that BRAHMAN is the real nature or the > reality behind this COSMIC PROJECTION of names and > forms. UPNISHADS FURTHER STATE THAT ALL THE WORLD OF > NAMES AND FORMS IS INDWELT BY THE LORD( OR BRAHMAN > ).It is only in India that we have had great souls > sacrificing their life to attain the supreme state > of NIRVILKIPA SAMADHI or BRAHMAN JNANA.It is INDIA > EVEN TODAY IN KALI YUGA that people lead austere > lives of immense devotion and purity.Having lived in > WEST in EUROPE and USA I am convinced that these > lands are BHOG BHUMIS not YOG BHUMIS . I am > convinced that MAJORITY of the WHITE RACE IS NOT > SUITED FOR SPIRITUAL PRACTICES THEY JUST DONT HAVE > THE SAMASKARAS. MANY OF THESE WHITE FELLOWS DONT > EVEN KNOW WHO THEIR FATHER IS.ThE WESTERN COUNTRIES > ARE SUITED FOR GROSS ANIMAL MATERILISTIC LIFE.. IN > INDIA THERE IS CORRUPTION LUST GRRED but GO to > RISHIKESH or UUTARKASHI and sit near the GANGES and > WORSHIP LORD SIVA see the BLISS YOU GET. YOU can go > to ROCKY mountaIns, ALPS or LAKE MICHIGAN sit near > it and MEDITATE and see what you get.THE PROOF OF > PUDDING IS IN EATING.INDIA IS A GREAT SPIRITUAL LAND > BUT SINCE IT IS KALI YUGA AND IN THIS YUGA EVIL > SHINES AND RULES HENCE IT IS USA AND WESTERN EUROPE > WITH THEIR CASH RICH ECONOMIES BUT BANKCRUPT SOULS > THAT ARE SHINING IN TODAY"S AGE > OM. > > > On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 venkatarama_sastry wrote : > >Yep, Mukund, your personal opinion that only a > Hindu by birth, and > >that too a Brahmin by birth can be a guru, is going > to be shot > >down :-) Allow me ... > > > >What exactly is a Brahmin? In telugu, we say > "Brahma Gyana > >sampannudu Brahmanudu", meaning that one that has > the treasure of > >Brahma Gyana is a Brahmin. > > > >Plus, what do we mean by "foreigners", anyway? > Non-Indians? Well, > >India today is very different from the India of the > Vedic times ... > >it encompassed what is now Afghanistan, Pakistan, > Bangladesh, Burma > >etc. And it seems rather uncertain as to how far > South it extended, > >which means that your Maharastra may not have even > been part of it, > >and probably not my Andhra either.. :-) > > > >A true Guru, in my opinion, is one that leads his > pupils to God. I > >remember a story of Swami Vivekananda, who went > from godman to > >godman, asking them the same question, can you show > me God? Only > >Ramakrishna Paramahamsa answered that with a simple > "Yes", and hence > >he was his disciple for life. > > > >I have my questions about whether mantras need to > be taught by a > >Guru or not, but the point there was that the Guru > not only teaches > >the actual mantra, its pronunciation etc. but also > transfers some of > >His/Her own spiritual power to you in the process. > It is this power > >that makes the difference. > > > >Now, if you are talking about a Siksha Guru, rather > than a Deeksha > >Guru, then, yes, you are right ... if you are just > trying to learn > >to pronounce a mantra, you obviously go to an > expert on Mantras, not > >a guy that can barely pronounce them himself, and > if you are trying > >to learn astrology, you go to an expert astrologer > etc. These are > >all just various vidyas, various subjects, so to > speak, and you go > >to the PhD equivalent to learn it in depth. > > > >Actually I do agree with you that a Guru has to be > born, not made, > >but not in the way you mean it. A Guru has to be > born with the > >sattwik qualities necessary, and the desire to help > others etc. > > > >OK, now you can shoot my opinion down if you'd like > :-). No offence > >intended! > > > >Venkatarama > > > >vedic astrology, "monmuk111" > <monmuk111> > >wrote: > > > Hello nameisego: > > > > > > Why should the initiation be done by a Guru when > the Bagalmukhi > >and > > > other Shakti mantras are available easily on the > internet and in a > > > variety of books. > > > > > > Now, here is my followup question to the above? > WHO IS A GURU? > >There > > > are lots of foreigners out there claiming to be > Gurus who can > >hardly > > > pronounce "Om" and and the aarti (devotional > songs) they sing > >sound > > > ridiculous and I find these offensive as a > Hindu. -- And all of > >these > > > foreigners claim tobe some sort of a Guru. > > > > > > And, how can these Gurus prescibe a mantra, > Shanskrit mantras or > > > otherwise, when they don't know Sanskrit OR > Marathi and Telugu the > > > other two languages closest to Sanskrit? > > > > > > Now, some people may write back saying it is not > a matter of > > > pronounciation, but a matter of FAITH so any > ridiculous sounds > >these > > > foreigners make out of their mouths are OK.. On > the other hand, > > > fellows like Narasimha and my family Brahmin and > lots of other > > > Brahmins (especially from Maharastra, Gujarat, > Tamil Nadu, > >Varanashi, > > > Banaras and Nasik) INSIST that the > prononciations should be > >ACCURATE. > > > > > > In the old days Gurus used to be divine. AND, in > today's India > >Gurus > > > (not the fake one running around in Jumbo-Jets > and Roll-Royces), > >but > > > the real Brahmins began studying Hindu rituals > and mantra-shastra > > > since they are KIDS. My family Brahmin (who is > an older > >Maharastrian > > > guy) knows mantras for ALL occassions at the tip > of his tounge. > > > > > > -- He also knows and uses Varga charts > (constructed by hand), also > > > knows MOOL DASA (which isn't some deep family > secret as claimed by > > > Sanjay--in fact, MOOL DASA is known by many > Maharastrian Brahmins > > > I've met and may even be known in other parts of > India I haven't > > > visited), and knows many more things about > Mantra-shastra and > >Vedic > > > astrology that most of the Branded Gurus on this > board don't know > > > about. AND YET, he doesn't claim to be a Guru.. > > > > > > So tell us nameisego, What makes a Guru? Some > guy on this board > >who > > > could hardly pronounce "Om" and hardly knows > ANYTHING on the tip > >of > > > his tounge, let alone knowing the meaning of the > Mantras OR a REAL > > > Hindu Brahmin who has devoted his life (since > childhood) in > >learning > > > the Vedas, the Shastras, the Mantra and the > Hora-Shastra? > > > > > > So tell us one more thing nameisego, Where does > one find a Guru?-- > >a > > > real one, not a web-Guru. > > > > > > My personal opinion (for which I'll soon be shot > down) is that a > >Guru > > > has to be a Hindu and a Hindu is BORN not MADE. > A Guru has to be a > > > Brahmin PRACTISING the Brahminic way of living, > i.e. follow a > >strict > > > ritual on not EVER touching non-vegetarian food, > not EVER > >indulging > > > in other vices, follow a strict daily ritual of > Poojas, follows a > > > ritual of keeping and feeding cows, AND most > importantly follow a > > > strict ritual of LIVING OFF donations AND NEVER > EVER PROFIT from > >his > > > Brahminic knowledge. -- My family Brahmin and > most REAL GURUS in > > > India walk from home to home in the morning and > collect grains, > > > flour, fruits and minor donations and live off > these donations. > > > > > > To conclude, A GURU is born, NOT MADE. And, one > would ONLY find > >such > > > a Guru in India living a poor, simple and > Brahminic way of life. > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > Mukund > > > > > > vedic astrology, > "nameisego" > ><nameisego> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Friend, > > > > > > > > Initiation into Aaradhana of Bagalamukhi or > any other Shakti > >must > > > be > > > > done by a Guru.Casual approach to powerful > pooja vidhans are > > > > dangerous. > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > "france12in" > > > > <reghudevaraj@h...> wrote: > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > I'm a new member and would like to know if > some one can help > >me > > > in > > > > > finding the strotra or any other mantra of > Maa bagalamukhi. > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards > > > > > > > > > > Reghu > > > > > > > >------------------------ Sponsor > > > >Archives: > vedic astrology > > > >Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > > >....... 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