Fw: Quiz - Example chart - Vinay & Hari--->Hari

July 31, 2004

- patwardhanvinay

vedic astrology

Saturday, July 31, 2004 4:54 PM

Quiz - Example chart - Vinay & Hari--->Hari

||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

Dear Hari,

Yes Pradeep has really given a good chart to solve and learn more.

Regarding using higher divisions I'm also having same opinion and try to

restrict myself but D9 is confirm after the Statement that Native has career in

IT. So I consider this D9 is Ok.

Regarding 8th H consideration I just want to refresh my memory that if Lagnesh

is in 6th It will increase the effects of 8th H!! So nija and agantuka both are

covered. And as RTN method by Zoranji we get mer is in Cp amsa.8th H!!So mer is

culprit and in addition to this when badhakesh Kahresh are united in 8th H Cp

amsa what we should expect?(Count of Lagna is 8th from Lagnesh) Just this much

and myself don't want to go beyond and beating around bush!! How brain is

ruled out!! I think we r waiting for Pradeep's feedback!!

Regarding all dasas we should use Shatabdiika Dasa as Lagna is vargottama !!

For rescue from Problems , we can see Ven in MT sign in 5th and regarding 9th H

,9th L Sat is aspecting 9th are other points besides Jup aspects. So I want to

stick to my statements and still have opinion Jup(V) in asc. is like a Trojan

Horse.

Regarding Panchanga I've to learn alot !!

Only Pradeep's feedback can reveal the Truth !!

Waiting for Reply egarly as I'm off net for next 2-3 days from Tomorrow!

With Regards,

Vinay Patwardhan

Hari M <onlyhari> Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:23 pm

[vedic astrology] Quiz - Example chart - Vinay & Hari

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

Dear Pradeep, Pran, Vinay and Ramanarayanan,

Thank you for the feedback and comments in this puzzle. I commend Pradeep for

his handling of the puzzle by giving various clues but without revealing the

actual problem (rather the native has not told him the actual health problem!)

so that we have to work harder to use the astrological axioms to nail the

problem. This is definitely getting interesting with the entry of Pran and

Ramanarayanan.

So far, I had purposely restricted myself to rasi & navamsa in an attempt to

trace the problem broadly because unless we nail the problem from the rasi then

only we can confirm it in the divisional chart. But now with the advent of

Ramanarayanan’s attempt, it looks like I will have to delve deeper to

trace out this health problem.

Pradeeps statement “…the native never went to school till

17/18…” is very revealing and supports my original statement that

the problem is related to Me, which incidentally is the 4th lord (primary

education)! So now it is clear that this health problem is from birth and

serious enough to prevent normal schooling. But his intelligence (Ju in lagna

aspecting 5th house & 9th house [graduate education and beyond] as well as 5th

lord in 5th although the direct aspect of 3 malefics is also there) is

unaffected as evident from the fact that he has a masters degree in engineering

and works in a top IT company! Really, the blessings of Ju alone in lagna!

Vinay, you know that 8th house shows nija roga and 6th house shows agantuk roga

(drista & adrista [badhak & badhakesh]). Nija roga means that the disease is

from inside and because of our past karmas at birth so we must use the

kalapurusha to trace out the problem area but when considering agantuk roga, we

use the 6th house/lord position with respect to lagna to find the problem area.

That’s why if 8th lord is connected, then we use the body part

represented by Scorpio to find out the problem. Its clear from Pradeeps email

that accidents/injury to hip region/brain problems etc are ruled out. Its also

clear that the problem warrants surgery but cannot be done until the body is

big enough to absorb the shock of the surgery (may require a lot of blood

transfusion or some such thing). But you are right when you say that the

involvement of both the co-lords of 6th house in the 2nd (eyes) and 10th

(eyesight) led to problems in eyesight. However its clear that this is only a

secondary problem (note that the karaka for surgery is present in 2nd house!)

Pran, you are right in stating that 7th lord in 1st aspecting the 7th house is

by itself not enough to give break in marriage but have you considered the fact

that it is also badhakesh for Ge lagna? The fact that the marriage was cancelled

shows that the badhakesh effect is definitely there but the retrogradation means

high chesta bala and the native has tremendous will power to overcome the

tribulations. Plus the 7th lord in 1st shows that the native is born to fulfill

some strong desire and conditional dasas are applicable here to trace the

fulfillment of this desire. Of course as Ramanarayan has shown, retrograde

badhakesh can also indicate that the health problem is difficult to cure and

requires tremendous efforts.

Very correct of Ramanarayanan (hereafter abbreviated to PSR) to point out the

dagdha tithi. When I analysed the chart yesterday using panchanga principles, I

noticed this and hence asked whether the father was very unhappy at the time of

birth of the native. Pradeep, please confirm this point. But it seems that PSR

is using this principle to trace the problem to Mars (lord of ekadasi tithi). I

thought as per VRA, dagdha tithi indicates some problem with father only. Pelvis

region (akin to hip region) has been ruled out and chest region is indicated by

4th house rather than 3rd house. Moreover lung infections are external in

source and cannot be connected to chronic problems present from birth. But your

point about bringing in the decanates is very correct. I am not sure about the

badhakesh analysis done by PSR and will study it in detail later. Other points

are good.

Still much more to write but I am running out of time. So I will make another

attempt to trace the health problem considering the feedback from Pradeep. Once

again I cling to my statement that Me indicates the problem and here I look at

it from the angle of 4th house (as pointed out earlier) instead. Now Me is the

lagna lord and 4th lord placed in 6th along with 3rd lord Su who is the

dispositor of the 8th lord. Mars, the 6th co-lord is debilitated in 2nd house

of Cn while the other co-lord is placed with the 2nd lord in 10th aspecting the

4th house which also has Rahu in it. With reference to the kalapurusha, Cn

represents the chest region while the 4th house also shows the same. Moon-Ketu

combination in a watery sign shows some physical damage. Now considering that

the karakas for blood (moon) and red blood cells (Mars) are both involved, I

would guess that the native was born with some defect in his heart. This could

possibly be a hole in his heart which required time to cure.

Ok I will stop here and wait for feedback.

Regards

Hari

July 31, 2004