Guest guest Posted July 10, 2004 Report Share Posted July 10, 2004 Respected all, I had a doubt in my mind regarding the correct birth timing. Is it mentioned anywhere in any of the classics as to what should be taken as the time of birth of a child. Is it that time when any one part of his body comes out of the womb or is is the time of his first breath or should birth time be taken when the nadi is cut. In most of the cases, it makes little difference but in some cases, it does make a lot of difference especially when the nakshatra changes. Kindly guide me whether there is any definite authoritative statement on this. Please advice me as to your views on the subject also. Kindly clarify. Thanks & Regards Drupad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2004 Report Share Posted July 10, 2004 Hi. Dr Raman quoted Satyacharya, one of the most celebrated writers and used the term 'Bhupatana'. This means the time one reaches the earth. No other timing will be correct as they cant be noted correctly. Regards, Saaji vedic astrology, "drupadupadhyaya" <drupadupadhyaya> wrote: > Respected all, > > I had a doubt in my mind regarding the correct birth timing. Is it > mentioned anywhere in any of the classics as to what should be taken > as the time of birth of a child. Is it that time when any one part of > his body comes out of the womb or is is the time of his first breath > or should birth time be taken when the nadi is cut. In most of the > cases, it makes little difference but in some cases, it does make a > lot of difference especially when the nakshatra changes. Kindly guide > me whether there is any definite authoritative statement on this. > Please advice me as to your views on the subject also. Kindly clarify. > > Thanks & Regards > Drupad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2004 Report Share Posted July 11, 2004 Dear Saaji, Bhupatana refers to the fact of one being born on Bhuloka (soul leaving whichever Loka he is occupying and falling to Bhuloka), it has nothing to do with falling on ground.What happens in case of cesarean section? Child does not drop on earth, not that it is allowed to drop in normal child birth too. In case of a dead child how does one draw up his birth chart? Ponder over this. Chandrashekhar. saaji kulangara wrote: Om Subrahmanyaya Namah Dear Drupad, There was an error in the interpretation. `Falling' is the exact word. So the time should be falling on earth or `dropping on earth'. I read Sri Chandrashekharji quoting Phaladeepika as cutting the umbilical cord. And his view is the time of first breath. Let me share my views, the time of first breath is fine, but suppose a dead child is born, we will have to go for other interpretation. `Cutting the umbilical cord' also doesn't suit. Suppose for some reasons there is a slight delay in this, will this be correct? I dont know. The child reached this world, took the first breath also, then the delay doesn't suit for birth time. On the other hand, a birth signifies reaching this world, hence dropping alone should be the correct birth time. I haven't read Phaladeepika fully. Dr Raman didn't say about cutting the umbilical cord. Since he was a master of all classics, I wonder why! May be, since even Varahamihira quotes Satyacharya He might have given more weightage to His views. He makes a distinction between `Shirodaya' and says this shouldn't be used. My conclusion is purely based on reading these great personages and using ifs and buts. You can make a better conclusion. Best Wishes, Saaji vedic astrology, "saaji kulangara" <saajik> wrote: > Hi. > > Dr Raman quoted Satyacharya, one of the most celebrated writers and > used the term 'Bhupatana'. This means the time one reaches the earth. > No other timing will be correct as they cant be noted correctly. > > Regards, > > Saaji > > > vedic astrology, "drupadupadhyaya" > <drupadupadhyaya> wrote: > > Respected all, > > > > I had a doubt in my mind regarding the correct birth timing. Is it > > mentioned anywhere in any of the classics as to what should be > taken > > as the time of birth of a child. Is it that time when any one part > of > > his body comes out of the womb or is is the time of his first > breath > > or should birth time be taken when the nadi is cut. In most of the > > cases, it makes little difference but in some cases, it does make a > > lot of difference especially when the nakshatra changes. Kindly > guide > > me whether there is any definite authoritative statement on this. > > Please advice me as to your views on the subject also. Kindly > clarify. > > > > Thanks & Regards > > Drupad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2004 Report Share Posted July 11, 2004 Dear Chandrashekharji, Pranam. Correct, this should be the right definition. By 'dropping' Dr Raman means the moment of dropping, or coming to Bhuloka, it was my inability to explain it correctly! Best Regards, Saaji vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Saaji, > Bhupatana refers to the fact of one being born on Bhuloka (soul leaving > whichever Loka he is occupying and falling to Bhuloka), it has nothing > to do with falling on ground.What happens in case of cesarean section? > Child does not drop on earth, not that it is allowed to drop in normal > child birth too. > In case of a dead child how does one draw up his birth chart? Ponder > over this. > Chandrashekhar. > > saaji kulangara wrote: > > > Om Subrahmanyaya Namah > > > > Dear Drupad, > > > > There was an error in the interpretation. `Falling' is the exact > > word. So the time should be falling on earth or `dropping on earth'. > > I read Sri Chandrashekharji quoting Phaladeepika as cutting the > > umbilical cord. And his view is the time of first breath. Let me > > share my views, the time of first breath is fine, but suppose a dead > > child is born, we will have to go for other interpretation. `Cutting > > the umbilical cord' also doesn't suit. Suppose for some reasons there > > is a slight delay in this, will this be correct? I dont know. The > > child reached this world, took the first breath also, then the delay > > doesn't suit for birth time. On the other hand, a birth signifies > > reaching this world, hence dropping alone should be the correct birth > > time. > > > > I haven't read Phaladeepika fully. Dr Raman didn't say about cutting > > the umbilical cord. Since he was a master of all classics, I wonder > > why! May be, since even Varahamihira quotes Satyacharya He might have > > given more weightage to His views. He makes a distinction > > between `Shirodaya' and says this shouldn't be used. > > > > My conclusion is purely based on reading these great personages and > > using ifs and buts. You can make a better conclusion. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Saaji > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "saaji kulangara" > > <saajik> wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > > > Dr Raman quoted Satyacharya, one of the most celebrated writers and > > > used the term 'Bhupatana'. This means the time one reaches the > > earth. > > > No other timing will be correct as they cant be noted correctly. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Saaji > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "drupadupadhyaya" > > > <drupadupadhyaya> wrote: > > > > Respected all, > > > > > > > > I had a doubt in my mind regarding the correct birth timing. Is > > it > > > > mentioned anywhere in any of the classics as to what should be > > > taken > > > > as the time of birth of a child. Is it that time when any one > > part > > > of > > > > his body comes out of the womb or is is the time of his first > > > breath > > > > or should birth time be taken when the nadi is cut. In most of > > the > > > > cases, it makes little difference but in some cases, it does make > > a > > > > lot of difference especially when the nakshatra changes. Kindly > > > guide > > > > me whether there is any definite authoritative statement on this. > > > > Please advice me as to your views on the subject also. Kindly > > > clarify. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > Drupad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > > > click here > > <http://us.ard./SIG=12917ppeh/M=295196.4901138.6071305.300117 6/D=groups/S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1089615929/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/ *http://companion.> > > > > > > > > ------ > > * Links* > > > > * > > vedic astrology/ > > > > * > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology? subject=Un> > > > > * Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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