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Dear Sri Ramanarayanan,

 

> Nakshatra positions of planets & ascendant:-> Lagna:-uttarashada 4 Sun:-

Punarvasu 4 Moon:- Dhanishta 4 > Mars:- Chitra 3 Buda Aridra 2 Guru:- Visaka 1

Sukra:-Purvaphalguni 1> Sani®:-Satayam 4 Rahu:-Uttarashada 1 Ketu:- Punarvasu

3> Mandi:-Rohini 4 Gulika:- Mrigasira 3 HL:- Makha 2 GL:- Revati 3> >

Kalachakra - the navamsa diagram/chart:-(refer previous mail)> Lagna:- Meena

Sun:-Kataka Moon:- Mesha Mars:-Tula Buda:-Kumbha> Guru:-Vrischika Sukra:-kataka

Sani:-Dhanur Rahu:-Dhanur Ketu:-Mithuna> Mandi:-Simha Gulika:-Vrishaba HL:-Tula

GL:-Kumba AL:-Kataka A6:-Mithuna

 

I was reading the Kalachakra dasa exchanges leisurely over this long weekend. I

noticed that we two have a small disagreement in the definition of Kalachakra

navamsa.

 

In the Kalachakra navamsa chart I know, Venus in Poorva Phalguni 1st pada is in

Leo itself and not in Cancer as you wrote.

 

When Parasara defined navamsa chakra, he did not give the navamsa signs. He only

gave the navamsa lords!! For example, the rulers of the nine navamsas (nine

nakshatra padas) in Leo are Mars, Venus, Mercury, Moon, Sun, Mercury, Venus,

Mars and Jupiter. In the normal navamsa chart, we take the nine navamsas in Leo

to be Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc and Sg. In Kalachakra navamsa, we take

these nine navamsas to be Sc, Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge, Ta, Ar and Pi (because Magha,

Poorva Phalguni and Uttara Phalguni are apasavya nakshatras). Both the ways,

Parasara's basic definition of navamsa holds true. In other words, the

non-cyclical Kalachakra navamsa chart is a variation of navamsa that, in my

humble opinion, was coverered by Parasara's basic navamsa definition!!!

 

If you correlate Parasara's basic definition of navamsa and his definition of

Kalachakra dasa signs, you will realize that they fit with each other.

Kalachakra dasa is based on Kalachakra navamsa chart, which is a non-cyclical

variation of navamsa based on the same basic navamsa definition of Parasara.

However, you cannot take Poorva Phalguni 1st pada in Cancer navamsa. It MUST be

Leo. Otherwise, you are breaking Parasara's basic definition of navamsa. The 5th

navamsa (nakshatra pada) of Leo MUST be owned by Sun and not Moon, according to

Parasara. So Poorva Phalguni 1st pada MUST be in Leo in both normal navamsa

chart and Kalachakra navamsa chart. There is no other way. If you do not accept

this, the whole basis of mandooki and markati gati disappears.

 

Please reconsider your view. BTW, I get all other planets in the same signs as

you gave in Kalachakra Navamsa. We differ only on Venus.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

 

Dear Narasimha,

 

Namaste. Thank you for your response and interest shown regarding kalachakra

diagram. i have one small question. i know the question is too preliminary for

your high standards. Kindly explain to me as to where you will place Moon in

poorvaphalguni 1st pada and what will be the dasa pattern for the same.

 

With warm regards & respects,

 

Astrologically yours,

p.s.ramanarayanan.

 

 

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Sri Ramanarayanan,

 

> Nakshatra positions of planets & ascendant:-> Lagna:-uttarashada 4 Sun:-

Punarvasu 4 Moon:- Dhanishta 4 > Mars:- Chitra 3 Buda Aridra 2 Guru:- Visaka 1

Sukra:-Purvaphalguni 1> Sani®:-Satayam 4 Rahu:-Uttarashada 1 Ketu:- Punarvasu

3> Mandi:-Rohini 4 Gulika:- Mrigasira 3 HL:- Makha 2 GL:- Revati 3> >

Kalachakra - the navamsa diagram/chart:-(refer previous mail)> Lagna:- Meena

Sun:-Kataka Moon:- Mesha Mars:-Tula Buda:-Kumbha> Guru:-Vrischika Sukra:-kataka

Sani:-Dhanur Rahu:-Dhanur Ketu:-Mithuna> Mandi:-Simha Gulika:-Vrishaba HL:-Tula

GL:-Kumba AL:-Kataka A6:-Mithuna

 

I was reading the Kalachakra dasa exchanges leisurely over this long weekend. I

noticed that we two have a small disagreement in the definition of Kalachakra

navamsa.

 

In the Kalachakra navamsa chart I know, Venus in Poorva Phalguni 1st pada is in

Leo itself and not in Cancer as you wrote.

 

When Parasara defined navamsa chakra, he did not give the navamsa signs. He only

gave the navamsa lords!! For example, the rulers of the nine navamsas (nine

nakshatra padas) in Leo are Mars, Venus, Mercury, Moon, Sun, Mercury, Venus,

Mars and Jupiter. In the normal navamsa chart, we take the nine navamsas in Leo

to be Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc and Sg. In Kalachakra navamsa, we take

these nine navamsas to be Sc, Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge, Ta, Ar and Pi (because Magha,

Poorva Phalguni and Uttara Phalguni are apasavya nakshatras). Both the ways,

Parasara's basic definition of navamsa holds true. In other words, the

non-cyclical Kalachakra navamsa chart is a variation of navamsa that, in my

humble opinion, was coverered by Parasara's basic navamsa definition!!!

 

If you correlate Parasara's basic definition of navamsa and his definition of

Kalachakra dasa signs, you will realize that they fit with each other.

Kalachakra dasa is based on Kalachakra navamsa chart, which is a non-cyclical

variation of navamsa based on the same basic navamsa definition of Parasara.

However, you cannot take Poorva Phalguni 1st pada in Cancer navamsa. It MUST be

Leo. Otherwise, you are breaking Parasara's basic definition of navamsa. The 5th

navamsa (nakshatra pada) of Leo MUST be owned by Sun and not Moon, according to

Parasara. So Poorva Phalguni 1st pada MUST be in Leo in both normal navamsa

chart and Kalachakra navamsa chart. There is no other way. If you do not accept

this, the whole basis of mandooki and markati gati disappears.

 

Please reconsider your view. BTW, I get all other planets in the same signs as

you gave in Kalachakra Navamsa. We differ only on Venus.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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Dear Narasimha,

I think what Ramanarayanan is saying is correct. The 1st pada of Purva

Phalguni does fall in Karka in Kalachakra scheme of things, and will be

designated as falling in Karka Navamsha. The sign lord therefore

becomes the Deha. Shloka 94 and 95 ch. 48 this is unambiguously stated

by Parashara.

Chandrashekhar.

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote:

Dear Sri Ramanarayanan,

 

> Nakshatra positions of planets

& ascendant:-

> Lagna:-uttarashada 4 Sun:- Punarvasu 4 Moon:- Dhanishta 4

> Mars:- Chitra 3 Buda Aridra 2 Guru:- Visaka 1 Sukra:-Purvaphalguni

1

> Sani®:-Satayam 4 Rahu:-Uttarashada 1 Ketu:- Punarvasu 3

> Mandi:-Rohini 4 Gulika:- Mrigasira 3 HL:- Makha 2 GL:- Revati 3

>

> Kalachakra - the navamsa diagram/chart:-(refer previous mail)

> Lagna:- Meena Sun:-Kataka Moon:- Mesha Mars:-Tula Buda:-Kumbha

> Guru:-Vrischika Sukra:-kataka Sani:-Dhanur Rahu:-Dhanur

Ketu:-Mithuna

> Mandi:-Simha Gulika:-Vrishaba HL:-Tula GL:-Kumba AL:-Kataka

A6:-Mithuna

 

I was reading the Kalachakra

dasa exchanges leisurely over this long weekend. I noticed that we two

have a small disagreement in the definition of Kalachakra navamsa.

 

In the Kalachakra navamsa chart I

know, Venus in Poorva Phalguni 1st pada is in Leo itself and not in

Cancer as you wrote.

 

When Parasara defined navamsa

chakra, he did not give the navamsa signs. He only gave the navamsa

lords!! For example, the rulers of the nine navamsas (nine nakshatra

padas) in Leo are Mars, Venus, Mercury, Moon, Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars

and Jupiter. In the normal navamsa chart, we take the nine navamsas in

Leo to be Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc and Sg. In Kalachakra navamsa,

we take these nine navamsas to be Sc, Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge, Ta, Ar and Pi

(because Magha, Poorva Phalguni and Uttara Phalguni are apasavya

nakshatras). Both the ways, Parasara's basic definition of navamsa

holds true. In other words, the non-cyclical Kalachakra navamsa chart

is a variation of navamsa that, in my humble opinion, was coverered by

Parasara's basic navamsa definition!!!

 

If you correlate Parasara's basic

definition of navamsa and his definition of Kalachakra dasa signs, you

will realize that they fit with each other. Kalachakra dasa is based on

Kalachakra navamsa chart, which is a non-cyclical variation of navamsa

based on the same basic navamsa definition of Parasara. However, you

cannot take Poorva Phalguni 1st pada in Cancer navamsa. It MUST be Leo.

Otherwise, you are breaking Parasara's basic definition of navamsa. The

5th navamsa (nakshatra pada) of Leo MUST be owned by Sun and not Moon,

according to Parasara. So Poorva Phalguni 1st pada MUST be in Leo in

both normal navamsa chart and Kalachakra navamsa chart. There is no

other way. If you do not accept this, the whole basis of mandooki and

markati gati disappears.

 

Please reconsider your view. BTW, I get all other planets in the same signs

as you gave in Kalachakra Navamsa. We differ only on Venus.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste,

 

This is not a "preliminary" question. On one hand, there is an

explicit teaching by Parasara that was agreed to by many scholars.

On the other hand, there are philosophical questions on the order of

navamsa rulerships, basis of mandooki and markati gatis and the

basis of Kalachakra dasa cycle definitions.

 

I will keep quiet for now...

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

>

> Dear Narasimha,

>

> Namaste. Thank you for your response and interest shown regarding

kalachakra diagram. i have one small question. i know the question

is too preliminary for your high standards. Kindly explain to me as

to where you will place Moon in poorvaphalguni 1st pada and what

will be the dasa pattern for the same.

>

> With warm regards & respects,

>

> Astrologically yours,

> p.s.ramanarayanan.

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