Guest guest Posted November 28, 2004 Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 Dear Sri Ramanarayanan, > Nakshatra positions of planets & ascendant:-> Lagna:-uttarashada 4 Sun:- Punarvasu 4 Moon:- Dhanishta 4 > Mars:- Chitra 3 Buda Aridra 2 Guru:- Visaka 1 Sukra:-Purvaphalguni 1> Sani®:-Satayam 4 Rahu:-Uttarashada 1 Ketu:- Punarvasu 3> Mandi:-Rohini 4 Gulika:- Mrigasira 3 HL:- Makha 2 GL:- Revati 3> > Kalachakra - the navamsa diagram/chart:-(refer previous mail)> Lagna:- Meena Sun:-Kataka Moon:- Mesha Mars:-Tula Buda:-Kumbha> Guru:-Vrischika Sukra:-kataka Sani:-Dhanur Rahu:-Dhanur Ketu:-Mithuna> Mandi:-Simha Gulika:-Vrishaba HL:-Tula GL:-Kumba AL:-Kataka A6:-Mithuna I was reading the Kalachakra dasa exchanges leisurely over this long weekend. I noticed that we two have a small disagreement in the definition of Kalachakra navamsa. In the Kalachakra navamsa chart I know, Venus in Poorva Phalguni 1st pada is in Leo itself and not in Cancer as you wrote. When Parasara defined navamsa chakra, he did not give the navamsa signs. He only gave the navamsa lords!! For example, the rulers of the nine navamsas (nine nakshatra padas) in Leo are Mars, Venus, Mercury, Moon, Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter. In the normal navamsa chart, we take the nine navamsas in Leo to be Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc and Sg. In Kalachakra navamsa, we take these nine navamsas to be Sc, Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge, Ta, Ar and Pi (because Magha, Poorva Phalguni and Uttara Phalguni are apasavya nakshatras). Both the ways, Parasara's basic definition of navamsa holds true. In other words, the non-cyclical Kalachakra navamsa chart is a variation of navamsa that, in my humble opinion, was coverered by Parasara's basic navamsa definition!!! If you correlate Parasara's basic definition of navamsa and his definition of Kalachakra dasa signs, you will realize that they fit with each other. Kalachakra dasa is based on Kalachakra navamsa chart, which is a non-cyclical variation of navamsa based on the same basic navamsa definition of Parasara. However, you cannot take Poorva Phalguni 1st pada in Cancer navamsa. It MUST be Leo. Otherwise, you are breaking Parasara's basic definition of navamsa. The 5th navamsa (nakshatra pada) of Leo MUST be owned by Sun and not Moon, according to Parasara. So Poorva Phalguni 1st pada MUST be in Leo in both normal navamsa chart and Kalachakra navamsa chart. There is no other way. If you do not accept this, the whole basis of mandooki and markati gati disappears. Please reconsider your view. BTW, I get all other planets in the same signs as you gave in Kalachakra Navamsa. We differ only on Venus. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Narasimha, Namaste. Thank you for your response and interest shown regarding kalachakra diagram. i have one small question. i know the question is too preliminary for your high standards. Kindly explain to me as to where you will place Moon in poorvaphalguni 1st pada and what will be the dasa pattern for the same. With warm regards & respects, Astrologically yours, p.s.ramanarayanan. Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Sri Ramanarayanan, > Nakshatra positions of planets & ascendant:-> Lagna:-uttarashada 4 Sun:- Punarvasu 4 Moon:- Dhanishta 4 > Mars:- Chitra 3 Buda Aridra 2 Guru:- Visaka 1 Sukra:-Purvaphalguni 1> Sani®:-Satayam 4 Rahu:-Uttarashada 1 Ketu:- Punarvasu 3> Mandi:-Rohini 4 Gulika:- Mrigasira 3 HL:- Makha 2 GL:- Revati 3> > Kalachakra - the navamsa diagram/chart:-(refer previous mail)> Lagna:- Meena Sun:-Kataka Moon:- Mesha Mars:-Tula Buda:-Kumbha> Guru:-Vrischika Sukra:-kataka Sani:-Dhanur Rahu:-Dhanur Ketu:-Mithuna> Mandi:-Simha Gulika:-Vrishaba HL:-Tula GL:-Kumba AL:-Kataka A6:-Mithuna I was reading the Kalachakra dasa exchanges leisurely over this long weekend. I noticed that we two have a small disagreement in the definition of Kalachakra navamsa. In the Kalachakra navamsa chart I know, Venus in Poorva Phalguni 1st pada is in Leo itself and not in Cancer as you wrote. When Parasara defined navamsa chakra, he did not give the navamsa signs. He only gave the navamsa lords!! For example, the rulers of the nine navamsas (nine nakshatra padas) in Leo are Mars, Venus, Mercury, Moon, Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter. In the normal navamsa chart, we take the nine navamsas in Leo to be Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc and Sg. In Kalachakra navamsa, we take these nine navamsas to be Sc, Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge, Ta, Ar and Pi (because Magha, Poorva Phalguni and Uttara Phalguni are apasavya nakshatras). Both the ways, Parasara's basic definition of navamsa holds true. In other words, the non-cyclical Kalachakra navamsa chart is a variation of navamsa that, in my humble opinion, was coverered by Parasara's basic navamsa definition!!! If you correlate Parasara's basic definition of navamsa and his definition of Kalachakra dasa signs, you will realize that they fit with each other. Kalachakra dasa is based on Kalachakra navamsa chart, which is a non-cyclical variation of navamsa based on the same basic navamsa definition of Parasara. However, you cannot take Poorva Phalguni 1st pada in Cancer navamsa. It MUST be Leo. Otherwise, you are breaking Parasara's basic definition of navamsa. The 5th navamsa (nakshatra pada) of Leo MUST be owned by Sun and not Moon, according to Parasara. So Poorva Phalguni 1st pada MUST be in Leo in both normal navamsa chart and Kalachakra navamsa chart. There is no other way. If you do not accept this, the whole basis of mandooki and markati gati disappears. Please reconsider your view. BTW, I get all other planets in the same signs as you gave in Kalachakra Navamsa. We differ only on Venus. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 Dear Narasimha, I think what Ramanarayanan is saying is correct. The 1st pada of Purva Phalguni does fall in Karka in Kalachakra scheme of things, and will be designated as falling in Karka Navamsha. The sign lord therefore becomes the Deha. Shloka 94 and 95 ch. 48 this is unambiguously stated by Parashara. Chandrashekhar. Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote: Dear Sri Ramanarayanan, > Nakshatra positions of planets & ascendant:- > Lagna:-uttarashada 4 Sun:- Punarvasu 4 Moon:- Dhanishta 4 > Mars:- Chitra 3 Buda Aridra 2 Guru:- Visaka 1 Sukra:-Purvaphalguni 1 > Sani®:-Satayam 4 Rahu:-Uttarashada 1 Ketu:- Punarvasu 3 > Mandi:-Rohini 4 Gulika:- Mrigasira 3 HL:- Makha 2 GL:- Revati 3 > > Kalachakra - the navamsa diagram/chart:-(refer previous mail) > Lagna:- Meena Sun:-Kataka Moon:- Mesha Mars:-Tula Buda:-Kumbha > Guru:-Vrischika Sukra:-kataka Sani:-Dhanur Rahu:-Dhanur Ketu:-Mithuna > Mandi:-Simha Gulika:-Vrishaba HL:-Tula GL:-Kumba AL:-Kataka A6:-Mithuna I was reading the Kalachakra dasa exchanges leisurely over this long weekend. I noticed that we two have a small disagreement in the definition of Kalachakra navamsa. In the Kalachakra navamsa chart I know, Venus in Poorva Phalguni 1st pada is in Leo itself and not in Cancer as you wrote. When Parasara defined navamsa chakra, he did not give the navamsa signs. He only gave the navamsa lords!! For example, the rulers of the nine navamsas (nine nakshatra padas) in Leo are Mars, Venus, Mercury, Moon, Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter. In the normal navamsa chart, we take the nine navamsas in Leo to be Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc and Sg. In Kalachakra navamsa, we take these nine navamsas to be Sc, Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge, Ta, Ar and Pi (because Magha, Poorva Phalguni and Uttara Phalguni are apasavya nakshatras). Both the ways, Parasara's basic definition of navamsa holds true. In other words, the non-cyclical Kalachakra navamsa chart is a variation of navamsa that, in my humble opinion, was coverered by Parasara's basic navamsa definition!!! If you correlate Parasara's basic definition of navamsa and his definition of Kalachakra dasa signs, you will realize that they fit with each other. Kalachakra dasa is based on Kalachakra navamsa chart, which is a non-cyclical variation of navamsa based on the same basic navamsa definition of Parasara. However, you cannot take Poorva Phalguni 1st pada in Cancer navamsa. It MUST be Leo. Otherwise, you are breaking Parasara's basic definition of navamsa. The 5th navamsa (nakshatra pada) of Leo MUST be owned by Sun and not Moon, according to Parasara. So Poorva Phalguni 1st pada MUST be in Leo in both normal navamsa chart and Kalachakra navamsa chart. There is no other way. If you do not accept this, the whole basis of mandooki and markati gati disappears. Please reconsider your view. BTW, I get all other planets in the same signs as you gave in Kalachakra Navamsa. We differ only on Venus. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Namaste, This is not a "preliminary" question. On one hand, there is an explicit teaching by Parasara that was agreed to by many scholars. On the other hand, there are philosophical questions on the order of navamsa rulerships, basis of mandooki and markati gatis and the basis of Kalachakra dasa cycle definitions. I will keep quiet for now... May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > Dear Narasimha, > > Namaste. Thank you for your response and interest shown regarding kalachakra diagram. i have one small question. i know the question is too preliminary for your high standards. Kindly explain to me as to where you will place Moon in poorvaphalguni 1st pada and what will be the dasa pattern for the same. > > With warm regards & respects, > > Astrologically yours, > p.s.ramanarayanan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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