2nd house Jup in various roles--Julia Roberts

[Guest guest]

Dear Ms.Reema

 

One thing that needs to be observed at first glance ,from Julias

chart is the planets in 2nd house. The simplest way to get a general

overview of a chart w.r to finance,is to look for a link between

lakshmisthanas & inflow ,outflow houses.When lagna is involved the

effects are pronounced.(1,5,9,11,2).

In her case 11th lord Venus,9th lord Jupiter, and lagna lord moon are

placed in 2nd.Mars the fifth lord is in the house of 9th lord

(jupiter) and aspected by him.A connection between all money

houses.Thus this simple technique, outlines the presence of an

inherent big promise.(the strength of these have to be reconfirmed

with amsha positions,shadbala,karakas,ashtakavarga of inflow and

balance houses etc).

 

Now coming to family and affairs - She had relationships(publicly

known)atleast with dozen men,and married multiple times.Do we need a

better proof regarding one of the indications being harmed?.Since

money indications were strong otherwise,family matters suffered.

 

This does not mean Guru is a malefic or a harmer,rather one may

storm their brains and understand what is the nature of Guru and how

he behaves.Various posts so far from learned members holds the

reason for sthanabhrashta.Guru is the greatest benefic,but benefit

for what/whom is to observed from case to case.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "reema_sriganesh"

<reema_sriganesh> wrote:

> Namaste Chandrashekharji,

>

> Sure. Below are the details of the charts I was referring to in my

> original email.

>

> 1) My mother

>

> 03/18/1946

> Time: 11:58:40 AM (5:30 East of GMT)

> Place: 75E06, 23N18

>

> All her three children (2 sons, 1 daughter) love and respect her

the

> most in life.

>

> 2) Julia Roberts

>

> 10/28/1967

> Time: 0:16 AM (5:00 West of GMT)

> Place: 84W23, 33N44

>

> She is a rich hollywood actress. I am not sure about her family

> background, although, I believe she's had multiple marriages.

>

> 3) Dhirubhai Ambani

>

> 12/28/1932

> Time: 7:35:20 (5:30 East of GMT)

> Place: 70E26, 20N53

>

> He was a very successful industrialist. Worked very hard all his

life

> and had a good social standing.

>

> 4) Donald Trump

>

> 6/14/1946

> Time: 9:51:00 (5:00 West of GMT)

> Place: 73W52, 40N43

>

> A new york billionaire; I believe he has good relations with his

> family (except probably ex-wives, who made a lot of money from him

as

> part of their divorce settlements)

>

> 5) John Kerry

>

> 12/11/1943

> Time: 7:12:00 (7:00 West of GMT)

> Place: 104W59, 39N44

>

> Democratic presidential nominee. Has had a very successful career

> throughout in politics and a good social standing.

>

> 6) Ralph Nader

>

> 02/27/1934

> Time: 4:52:00 (5:00 West of GMT)

> Place: 73W4, 41N55

>

> Is a presidential candidate for the fourth time. Throughout his

life

> he has been a successful activist/lawyer against corporations that

> pollute environment/create hazards. Btw, I made a mistake with

this

> chart. When I opened the chart while drafting my original mail, I

did

> not realize that I had Raman ayanamsa set in JHL, wherein vakri

Guru

> is in 10th in tula. Now that I have changed the ayanamsa back to

> Lahiri, Guru is in 9th house in kanya. Regardless, the

significations

> of 9th house do not seem to have been harmed. Although he is a

very

> private person, he publicly credits his father for "sparking his

> interest in public affairs". His parents immigrated from Lebanon

to

> the US, and usually, immigrant kids from the east tend to respect

> their hard working parents. But again, I do not want us to assume

his

> relationship with father (good or bad), without further details.

>

> 7) Sachin Tendulkar

>

> 04/24/1973

> Time: 16:27:55 (5:30 East of GMT)

> Place: 72E50, 18N58

>

> A very famous sportsman (cricket) with two adoring kids (son and a

> daughter).

>

> Chandrashekharji, I hope I provided you with all the requisite

> details. Please let me know if you need any further information on

> the life of the above natives.

>

> May Sri Vishnu bless us all.

> Reema.

>

> vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<boxdel>

> wrote:

> > Dear Reema,

> > Would you kindly post the charts you refer to with brief life

> sketch of

> > each of the Jataka? Is none of the indications of the Bhava Guru

> > occupies damaged? This information would certainly help look at

the

> > dictum in right perspective.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> > reema_sriganesh wrote:

> >

> > > Namaste everyone,

> > >

> > > I have a chart where vakri Guru (alone) in 5th in tula have

given

> the

> > > native two good sons. I also have a chart where Guru

(conjoined

> with

> > > chandra and shukra) is in 2nd house in simha, and the native

is a

> > > multi-millionaire. I have a third chart where Guru is in kanya

> > > (alone) in 10th and the native was a big industrialist. I have

a

> > > fourth chart where vakri Guru is in kanya (alone) in 2nd house

and

> > > the native is a billionaire. I have a fifth chart where Guru

is in

> > > simha (alone) in 10th house and the native presently stands a

good

> > > chance of occupying the highest office in United States. I

have a

> > > sixth chart where Guru is in tula (alone) in 10th house and the

> > > native has been a US presidential candidate for 4 times. I

have a

> > > seventh chart where Guru is conjoined Mangal in Makara in 5th

> house

> > > and the native is a father of two children (son and daughter).

> > >

> > > I am sure that if all of us were to go through the charts in

our

> > > collection, we would find so many of them where Guru's

occupation

> of

> > > a bhava could not have made the native as successful in the

> > > respective areas of life, if we were to go by the theory of

Guru

> > > spoiling the occupied bhava.

> > >

> > > Therefore, without taking sides, I would like to urge further

> > > research on this theory of Guru hurting the house he occupies,

> before

> > > coming to any conclusions.

> > >

> > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

> > > Reema.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh

> > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Chandrasekharji,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Could you please tell me from which purana the quoted lines

were

> > > taken?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I have not read chamatkar chintamani, so I can not really

> comment

> > > on it. But with all due respects to the author, Parasara often

> thinks

> > > differently. Frankly, my adherence to Parasara and my

admiration

> for

> > > the great master, who thought of a million profound ways to

> > > elevate /promote Jyotish as a spiritual science rather than as

a

> > > chamatkar, is infinitely higher.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Coming to Bhagavan Sri Rama's chart, we know that the

powerful

> > > sarpa yoga, aspect of Saturn and Mars (in marana karana

sthana) on

> > > lagna are as responsible, if not more, for his troubled times

as

> the

> > > exalted 6th&9th lord jupiter in lagna and exalted venus (4th

&

> 11th

> > > lord in 9th). Now, if we want to ignore all this information,

and

> > > want only to selectively assess the chart by focusing on

Jupiter

> in

> > > lagna, I think we are not being true either to the Veda vidya

or

> to

> > > ourselves. I think, here something greater than ourselves, our

> petty

> > > discussions and fragile egos is at stake. The Truth is

revealed

> to us

> > > through 12 houses and 9 planets. Instead, if we want to look

at

> only

> > > one house and only one planet, I think we are doing our best

not

> to

> > > elicit the truth, but to eclipse it. Please tell me, Sir,

> honestly

> > > do you, with your formidable intellectual stature, limit

yourself

> > > thus and not adopt an integrated approach for evaluating a

chart?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > As far as Duryodhana's chart is concerned, My tentative

feeling

> is

> > > that he had Jupiter debilitated in 10th for aries lagna, with

> Mars in

> > > lagna, Rahu in Taurus, Venus & Mercury in gemini, sun in

> cancer,

> > > Ketu in scorpio, moon in Satabhisham (aquarius) along with

saturn.

> > > How is it? If any one has more information, it would be fun to

> > > discuss it.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I have not thought about other charts. But if someone else

had,

> I

> > > would like to see them.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote:|| Jaya Jagannath ||

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for the comment from the puranas.

> > > > " Lord Rama had to undergo vanvaas on account of Guru in

Lagna,

> > > Guru in third sent Bali to Patala. Guru in fourth tested Satwa

of

> > > King Harishchandra, Guru in sixth made Draupadi face

Cheerharana.

> > > Guru in eighth destroyed (Nasha) Ravana, Tenth house Guru

killed

> > > Duryodhana and 12th house Guru sent Pandu to forest." It

further

> says

> > > that Bhishma was deprived of Kingdom on account of Guru in

2nd,

> King

> > > Dasharath had to loose his Son Rama (Putrashoka) on account of

> Guru

> > > in 5th. Aja Raja had to suffer separation from his wife on

> account of

> > > Guru in Seventh. Vishwamitra had to consume non eatables

> (Abhakshya)

> > > on account of his Guru in 9th."

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Sarajit

> > > > -

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > PNRazdan

> > > > Cc: Prafulla Gang ; vedic astrology

> > > > Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:00 AM

> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 2nd house Jup in various

> roles--

> > > to Chandraji

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Razdan,

> > > >

> > > > Read BPHS again, Sage Parashara states opinion of Narada in

> Ghatika

> > > Lagna shloka, refers to opinions of the learned (not Brahma) in

> > > shloka 15 Ch.11, shloka 15 Ch.12. First shloka of Bhava Pada

> Adhyaya

> > > again mentions that he is telling the special effects of Pada

as

> told

> > > by other Sages (again not Brahma). He he also mentions opinion

of

> > > others in first shloka of Karaka Adhyaya. The great Sage has in

> > > almost all Adhyayas given credit to other learneds in one or

> other of

> > > the shlokas, besides what Maitreya himself said to Sage

Parashara

> in

> > > the beginning of Ashtakavarga Adhyaya. In Shloka 1 of that

> Adhyaya

> > > Maitreya clearly says that Parashara has given opinions of many

> > > Rishis and Acharyas. So saying that Parashara only told what

had

> been

> > > revealed to him by Lord Brahma would be showing disrespect to

the

> > > Great sage who had the magnanimity to give credit to other

Rishis

> and

> > > Acharyas.

> > > >

> > > > Since you are questioning veracity and authority of the

shlokas

> > > that I quoted, I would like to give you the Texts in which the

> > > shlokas appear. If you read Tatvapradeepjataka and Chamatkaar

> > > Chintamani you will find them. The first text has the shlokas

and

> the

> > > later again mentions same shlokas. If you read Chamatkar

> Chintamani

> > > further you will find Jupiter giving harm to at least one

> indication

> > > of each of the houses/bhavas he occupies. It also mentions a

> shloka

> > > from Purana which says:

> > > >

> > > > " Lord Rama had to undergo vanvaas on account of Guru in

Lagna,

> > > Guru in third sent Bali to Patala. Guru in fourth tested Satwa

of

> > > King Harishchandra, Guru in sixth made Draupadi face

Cheerharana.

> > > Guru in eighth destroyed (Nasha) Ravana, Tenth house Guru

killed

> > > Duryodhana and 12th house Guru sent Pandu to forest." It

further

> says

> > > that Bhishma was deprived of Kingdom on account of Guru in

2nd,

> King

> > > Dasharath had to loose his Son Rama (Putrashoka) on account of

> Guru

> > > in 5th. Aja Raja had to suffer separation from his wife on

> account of

> > > Guru in Seventh. Vishwamitra had to consume non eatables

> (Abhakshya)

> > > on account of his Guru in 9th."

> > > >

> > > > I would not like to respond to your other comments but would

> like

> > > to mention here that the group is formed with an intention of

> > > learning and discussing principles of astrology. I do not

>

> > > to your assumption of astrology being a rigid science not open

to

> > > interpretation. Some of your comments are uncalled for.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > PNRazdan wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandarshekhar,There is nothing amusing in my reasoning.

> > > Parashara is quoting noordinary Muni but Lord Brahma himself

which

> > > gave us the BPHS.SimilarlyPrithuysas is quoting his father the

> great

> > > Vrahmihir which gave us theHorasastra. Equating your shaloka

> quoting

> > > a nameless sage (not sages asI said earlier, but only one sage-

I

> was

> > > incorrect because the noun andverb is singular) would be like

> showing

> > > candle to the Sun.I dont think this discussion is going to

serve

> any

> > > purpose. You are notprepared to reveal the origin of the

shalok

> you

> > > are so much dependingupon. By now it seems it is something

> casually

> > > said to which I attachedmore than necessary importance. You

seem

> to

> > > have attained the role ofsome sort of a master in this group

> wanting

> > > your disciples to hunt forthemselves what you hint at. But I

dont

> > > think this is an Ashram. Thisis a forum of discussion where an

> > > academic discussion takes placeopenly without reservations. Or

> > > possibly there may be other reasons foryou not to come out

> > > > openly.The moral of this story however is clear. Astrology

is a

> > > science. Ithas a method. Under this method several books have

all

> > > along treatedJup as a benefic planet and all interpretations

are

> > > based on thisprinciple with modifications depending on its

> > > functionality, place,lordship, strength etc etc. If you now

put

> forth

> > > a crazy idea thatJupiter is a malefic or malefic like planet (

> > > destroys the house it isplaced in), it turns the science from a

> > > method into a madness. It willput doubts into the minds of all

> > > astrologists while interpreting itseffects, particularly on

young

> > > minds aspiring to learn jyotish. AlreadyI see a discussion

> started on

> > > these lines on this group which in myopinion is energy wasted

on a

> > > wrong notion. Everytime one sees Jup in ahouse, a doubt will

> arise as

> > > to whether it is good or bad. Some willassociate it with good

they

> > > had in that house and others with whateverbad they had.So if

you

> are

> > > determined to reap cheap publicity by making

> radical,unauthenticated

> > > and

> > > > unconventional "advices", you may do so as this isa free

forum.

> > > But the least I can say is that this would be thegreatest

> disservice

> > > to the field of Vedic Astrology.My humble suggestion to learned

> > > members would be to accept any advice only after their own

study

> and

> > > research and use dependable commentatorslike Raman, Rao etc.for

> > > clarifications. It would be fair to treat anyadvice seriously

> only if

> > > it is backed up by its source so as to makeindependent

> verification

> > > possible unless the author says it to be hisown research/

> experience.

> > > Chandarshekharji, so let us decide to close this discussion as

> friends

> > > (not by coincidence are we both having Jup as lagnesh).So far I

> > > didnot discuss specifics with you since I was on a

> > > headlinesdiscussion. Let me now respond to your last two

> queries.The

> > > reference to Jup in theSecond house discussion of BPHS has to

be

> read

> > > in totality i.e all thethree shalokas 1,2 and 3 and not the

3rd

> only.

> > > Let me give a gist ofeach hereFirst shaloka: Dhanesh in second,

> > > > quadrants, trines is dhanvridhikarak(wealth giving) in

6,8,12

> > > opposite.Second Shaloka: Benefics in 2nd house, conjunct or

> aspected

> > > bybenefics- wealth giving. Malefics in 2nd house opposite

effect.

> > > Nowhereis jupiter separated out as you claim to be.So long as

it

> is

> > > known as abenefic, it qualifies to be a wealth giver according

to

> > > this shaloka.Third Shaloka: If 2nd lord is Jupiter and is also

> > > posited in the samehouse. And if Mars is also placed with it,

then

> > > the subject becomeswealthy. Period.This does not mean that if

> Mars is

> > > not there, Jupiter alone will harmthe house. This is an

> implication

> > > which you are trying to make outprobably to make your Muni's

> dictum

> > > hold good. Parashara never meansit. He means to say that

while a

> > > swagrahi jupiter in second is enoughto make one rich but with

Mars

> > > there it adds to ones wealth. Mark thesanskrit words "Vapi"

> > > meaning 'in addition".And then you are contradicting your own

self

> > > since even without Mars,Jupiter would still be swagrahi which

as

> per

> > > > your shaloka is not bad.So why Mars becomes necessary to

> support?

> > > As regards your second point, I am unfortunately not getting

> > > theshaloka since I have a different edition. There is no

chapter

> > > onKakshya and I took it as Karkanshya Phal Adhyay which has no

> > > shalokwanting Jup to have support of benefics to give good

> > > results.Sorry for the long mail. RegardsPran Razdan---

> Chandrashekhar

> > > <boxdel> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Razdan,I am amused at the reasoning put forward by you

> that if

> > > some author quotes some other authority, he is not an

authority on

> > > the subject.If that be so all those you treat as authorities,

> > > including Parashara, Varahamihira (By the way I have not heard

of

> > > Mantracharya) would alsobe reduced to the status of ignoramus.

> All of

> > > those who are treated as authorities have given opinions of

> others by

> > > either referring totheir names or saying precisely what the

shloka

> > > says that is "so sayMunis". So rest assured none of the

Acharyas

> and

> > > Pravartakas will tremble at what I have stated. The reason I

am

> not

> > > giving the name of theauthority is I want people to read

various

> > > texts and find out for themselves. There are numerous texts

and it

> > > takes time to remember the name of author of each and every

shloka

> > > one quotes is the other reason.If you do not want to read

> > > commentaries, your choice of astrological texts would be

reduced

> to

> > > almost one or two as every author of note, states at the

beginning

> > > > of his text that he is only telling whatothers have told

before

> > > him in a more concise form, including Varaha Mihira.Maitreya

also

> > > asks Parashara that as he has till now told principlesof

> astrology on

> > > the basis of what others have told he should give a relatively

> easy

> > > method so that transit of planets could be used for prediction

by

> > > those slow of grasp in the chapter on Ashtakavarga

inBPHS.Could

> you

> > > explain the reason of shloka3 Chapter 13 of BPHS? What isthe

> reason

> > > for Parashara to qualify Jupiter's being Lord of the 2nd when

> placed

> > > in 2nd or needing to be with Mars there to make one wealthy,

> implying

> > > that Jupiter in other cases by its mere presence in 2ndwould

not

> be

> > > capable of conferring wealth on one. I hope you do not

> > > disputeknowledge of Parashara himself or think he is quoting

> > > withoutauthority. While at BPHS you may also like to reason

out

> why

> > > CH.43 shloka 48tells that for Jupiter to give Kakshya Vridhi

it

> has

> > > to be aspected by a benefic when in Lagna or 7th house. Think

why

> > > > Jupiter by himself doesnot give Kakshya Vriddhi in

> > > longevity.Chandrashekhar.PNRazdan wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandarshekhar,As already informed I have already read

the

> > > shalok quoted by you insupport of your contention. jIv>

SvSwanhNta

> > > vdit muinvra +iòrSy àzSta,saEir SvSwanpal> prmÉykir +iòrSy

> ànòa.But

> > > please understand, this shaloka by itself does not establish

> > > thethesis you are trying to put forward. It has to be backed

up by

> > > theauthor, his standing in the astrological field, the time

when

> it

> > > wassaid and the context in which it was said. Literally

> translated,

> > > theShalok means "Guru destroys the house it is placed in and

> > > dignifies

> > > >

> > > > the

> > > >

> > > > house it aspects, so say the sages. Saturn protects the

house it

> > > is

> > > >

> > > > in

> > > >

> > > > while its dangerous aspect destroys it". Mark the

> words "vdit

> > > >

> > > > muinvra"

> > > >

> > > > i.e.so say the sages. This means that this shaloka too is

> > > somebodyelse's quote and not that of its author. Who is the

> author of

> > > thisblatant theory after all?Chandarshekharji, you are making

an

> > > important and revolutionarystatement which if followed shall

> change

> > > the entire structure of

> > > >

> > > > Vedic

> > > >

> > > > Astrology. (I am sure Parasara, Varamihir, Mantracharya all

> > > must

> > > >

> > > > have

> > > >

> > > > stumbled in swargloka after hearing this shaloka). You

have

> > > >

> > > > therefore

> > > >

> > > > to back it up equally strongly. Sanskrit shalokas can be

written

> > > byanybody, even a primary class student studying sanskrit. It

does

> > > notmean we should accept any shalok blindly simply because it

> is

> > > >

> > > > written

> > > >

> > > > in sanskrit.At one stage you said this is a shaloka and we

need

> not

> > > go into itsreasoning. OK but tell us the name of the author

who

> is so

> > > respected

> > > >

> > > > in

> > > >

> > > > this field that we donot question his authority. In your

other

> mail

> > > you have advised me to read commentaries of Pt.Gopeshkumar Oza

and

> > > Pt. Kedardatt Joshi. Why should I read

> > > >

> > > > commentaries

> > > >

> > > > and not the original shalokas if I know sanskrit very well.

So,

> as

> > > a learned Guru please favour all of us with the

> backgroundinformation

> > > on the shaloka complete with your masterly reasoning whyyou

are so

> > > convinced of its truth and applicability in the lives ofhuman

> > > beings.I shall not go into the discussion of individual charts

as

> it

> > > is

> > > >

> > > > common

> > > >

> > > > knowledge that results depend on many factors. If you are

> now

> > > >

> > > > holding

> > > >

> > > > Jup responsible for any bad thing that happened in the lives

> > > of

> > > >

> > > > these

> > > >

> > > > people, then the debate would be endless. Besides Lakshmi has

> > > verynicely handled this issue and replied the post point by

> > > point.Pran Razdan--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Razdan,I have already given the relevant shloka and

others

> > > have given

> > > >

> > > > other

> > > >

> > > > shlokas too. I have already advised you to go through the

> > > archivesbut it appears you have not done so. Have you found

shloka

> > > aboutJupiter's position in certain Rasis giving problems in

> progeny

> > > at least?You have mentioned many personalities, how much do

you

> know

> > > abouttheir personal lives to say that Jupiter has not harmed

the

> > > house that occupies? Does A.B. Vajpayee has his own family?

Check

> up.

> > > Also

> > > >

> > > > check

> > > >

> > > > up what lata Mangeshkar did to her sister to understand what

> Guru

> > > inLagna can do.I have not made any sweeping statement. If you

read

> > > the list, manyhave agreed to what I have said from their own

> > > experience. I have alsosaid that one has to apply the dictum in

> > > proper perspective to get

> > > >

> > > > correct

> > > >

> > > > results. For this one has to know all the dictums, like all

> > > planetsgive good results in own house and all planets are

capable

> of

> > > giving

> > > >

> > > > good

> > > >

> > > > results in 11th house. I think I have written umpteen times

that

> > > no

> > > >

> > > > principle can be applied on standalone basis but has to be

> > > appliedafter taking into consideration all variables.The case

> > > mentioned by dear Lakshmi have Jupiter in own house orSaturn

who

> > > protects the house is also conjunct Jupiter, if I

remember

> > > >

> > > > right.

> > > >

> > > > The dictum being Sthana Bhrashta karoti JeevaH , sthana

> > > rakshatimandaH, the results that are stated to be obtained are

in

> > > keeping with thedictum.Chandrashekhar.PNRazdan wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, I have been reading your posts on this

> subject

> > > all along but

> > > >

> > > > failed

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > to

> > > >

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its

> > > unfavourable positions and

> > > >

> > > > traits.

> > > >

> > > > We know it is a stronger Maraka, we also know that it is

> > > a

> > > >

> > > > functional

> > > >

> > > > malefic in Taurus, Libra, Capri etc laganas. We also know

that

> > > it

> > > >

> > > > gets

> > > >

> > > > KP dosh in quadrant lordship, although KPdosh means only

holding

> > > beneficial/malefic qualities, nothing more, but we extend

> > > the

> > > >

> > > > argument

> > > >

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Dear Lakshmi Ji Namaste

 

Yes the houses which you have mentioned do need to be considered.But

taking into consideration of sthala, Kaala & Saaahacharya ,in a

western society, relationships are more or less like family matters.

Thus they can very well fall under second house matters,too. Anyways

she had multiple marriages, even if we want to ignore affairs.

 

Looking at her 4th house, one could imagine about her mana sukha.

Especially as Sun is there and more so due to his debilitation.I am

not ruling out the role sun has played here.But there is a

parivartana between 2nd & 4th lords as well. Jupiter is not very

specific about all the concerned matters, related to his house of

residence. Jupiter in my opinion is a planet behaving in a very

broad manner - broad advises, broad knowledge, broad outlook,

benevolent, magnanimous etc. If you observe people with high

jupiterian influence ,you may find this.While Venus is the

reverse,he is very particular about the finer aspects ,whether it

is arts,love,or anyother.Thus Jupiter tends to over look certain

aspects,which he considers as insignificant, thereby leading to

Bhrashta(as learned members have pointed out).

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

 

vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh

<b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Pradeep,

>

> When you are talking about affairs, don't you look at 7th house

also? And the 3rd since 3, 7 and 11 constitute the kaama trikona?

Why it can't be the influence of weak 11 th lord Venus placed in

2nd house (it is also the house of attraction) indicative of such

behaviour and Jupiter as the expansive planet & the lord of shadripu

(6th house) could have encouraged "vriddhi" !! And, since Venus is

also the 4th lord & moon is also involved (the two planets connected

with the 2nd house in natural zodiac), her family suffered.

>

> By the way, where is her Sun?

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

> vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> Dear Ms.Reema

>

> One thing that needs to be observed at first glance ,from Julias

> chart is the planets in 2nd house. The simplest way to get a

general

> overview of a chart w.r to finance,is to look for a link between

> lakshmisthanas & inflow ,outflow houses.When lagna is involved the

> effects are pronounced.(1,5,9,11,2).

> In her case 11th lord Venus,9th lord Jupiter, and lagna lord moon

are

> placed in 2nd.Mars the fifth lord is in the house of 9th lord

> (jupiter) and aspected by him.A connection between all money

> houses.Thus this simple technique, outlines the presence of an

> inherent big promise.(the strength of these have to be reconfirmed

> with amsha positions,shadbala,karakas,ashtakavarga of inflow and

> balance houses etc).

>

> Now coming to family and affairs - She had relationships(publicly

> known)atleast with dozen men,and married multiple times.Do we need

a

> better proof regarding one of the indications being harmed?.Since

> money indications were strong otherwise,family matters suffered.

>

> This does not mean Guru is a malefic or a harmer,rather one may

> storm their brains and understand what is the nature of Guru and

how

> he behaves.Various posts so far from learned members holds the

> reason for sthanabhrashta.Guru is the greatest benefic,but benefit

> for what/whom is to observed from case to case.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "reema_sriganesh"

> <reema_sriganesh> wrote:

> > Namaste Chandrashekharji,

> >

> > Sure. Below are the details of the charts I was referring to in

my

> > original email.

> >

> > 1) My mother

> >

> > 03/18/1946

> > Time: 11:58:40 AM (5:30 East of GMT)

> > Place: 75E06, 23N18

> >

> > All her three children (2 sons, 1 daughter) love and respect her

> the

> > most in life.

> >

> > 2) Julia Roberts

> >

> > 10/28/1967

> > Time: 0:16 AM (5:00 West of GMT)

> > Place: 84W23, 33N44

> >

> > She is a rich hollywood actress. I am not sure about her family

> > background, although, I believe she's had multiple marriages.

> >

> > 3) Dhirubhai Ambani

> >

> > 12/28/1932

> > Time: 7:35:20 (5:30 East of GMT)

> > Place: 70E26, 20N53

> >

> > He was a very successful industrialist. Worked very hard all his

> life

> > and had a good social standing.

> >

> > 4) Donald Trump

> >

> > 6/14/1946

> > Time: 9:51:00 (5:00 West of GMT)

> > Place: 73W52, 40N43

> >

> > A new york billionaire; I believe he has good relations with his

> > family (except probably ex-wives, who made a lot of money from

him

> as

> > part of their divorce settlements)

> >

> > 5) John Kerry

> >

> > 12/11/1943

> > Time: 7:12:00 (7:00 West of GMT)

> > Place: 104W59, 39N44

> >

> > Democratic presidential nominee. Has had a very successful

career

> > throughout in politics and a good social standing.

> >

> > 6) Ralph Nader

> >

> > 02/27/1934

> > Time: 4:52:00 (5:00 West of GMT)

> > Place: 73W4, 41N55

> >

> > Is a presidential candidate for the fourth time. Throughout his

> life

> > he has been a successful activist/lawyer against corporations

that

> > pollute environment/create hazards. Btw, I made a mistake with

> this

> > chart. When I opened the chart while drafting my original mail,

I

> did

> > not realize that I had Raman ayanamsa set in JHL, wherein vakri

> Guru

> > is in 10th in tula. Now that I have changed the ayanamsa back to

> > Lahiri, Guru is in 9th house in kanya. Regardless, the

> significations

> > of 9th house do not seem to have been harmed. Although he is a

> very

> > private person, he publicly credits his father for "sparking his

> > interest in public affairs". His parents immigrated from Lebanon

> to

> > the US, and usually, immigrant kids from the east tend to

respect

> > their hard working parents. But again, I do not want us to

assume

> his

> > relationship with father (good or bad), without further details.

> >

> > 7) Sachin Tendulkar

> >

> > 04/24/1973

> > Time: 16:27:55 (5:30 East of GMT)

> > Place: 72E50, 18N58

> >

> > A very famous sportsman (cricket) with two adoring kids (son and

a

> > daughter).

> >

> > Chandrashekharji, I hope I provided you with all the requisite

> > details. Please let me know if you need any further information

on

> > the life of the above natives.

> >

> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all.

> > Reema.

> >

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> <boxdel>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Reema,

> > > Would you kindly post the charts you refer to with brief life

> > sketch of

> > > each of the Jataka? Is none of the indications of the Bhava

Guru

> > > occupies damaged? This information would certainly help look

at

> the

> > > dictum in right perspective.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > > reema_sriganesh wrote:

> > >

> > > > Namaste everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I have a chart where vakri Guru (alone) in 5th in tula have

> given

> > the

> > > > native two good sons. I also have a chart where Guru

> (conjoined

> > with

> > > > chandra and shukra) is in 2nd house in simha, and the native

> is a

> > > > multi-millionaire. I have a third chart where Guru is in

kanya

> > > > (alone) in 10th and the native was a big industrialist. I

have

> a

> > > > fourth chart where vakri Guru is in kanya (alone) in 2nd

house

> and

> > > > the native is a billionaire. I have a fifth chart where Guru

> is in

> > > > simha (alone) in 10th house and the native presently stands

a

> good

> > > > chance of occupying the highest office in United States. I

> have a

> > > > sixth chart where Guru is in tula (alone) in 10th house and

the

> > > > native has been a US presidential candidate for 4 times. I

> have a

> > > > seventh chart where Guru is conjoined Mangal in Makara in

5th

> > house

> > > > and the native is a father of two children (son and

daughter).

> > > >

> > > > I am sure that if all of us were to go through the charts in

> our

> > > > collection, we would find so many of them where Guru's

> occupation

> > of

> > > > a bhava could not have made the native as successful in the

> > > > respective areas of life, if we were to go by the theory of

> Guru

> > > > spoiling the occupied bhava.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore, without taking sides, I would like to urge further

> > > > research on this theory of Guru hurting the house he

occupies,

> > before

> > > > coming to any conclusions.

> > > >

> > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

> > > > Reema.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh

> > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Chandrasekharji,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Could you please tell me from which purana the quoted

lines

> were

> > > > taken?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I have not read chamatkar chintamani, so I can not really

> > comment

> > > > on it. But with all due respects to the author, Parasara

often

> > thinks

> > > > differently. Frankly, my adherence to Parasara and my

> admiration

> > for

> > > > the great master, who thought of a million profound ways to

> > > > elevate /promote Jyotish as a spiritual science rather than

as

> a

> > > > chamatkar, is infinitely higher.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Coming to Bhagavan Sri Rama's chart, we know that the

> powerful

> > > > sarpa yoga, aspect of Saturn and Mars (in marana karana

> sthana) on

> > > > lagna are as responsible, if not more, for his troubled

times

> as

> > the

> > > > exalted 6th&9th lord jupiter in lagna and exalted venus

(4th

> &

> > 11th

> > > > lord in 9th). Now, if we want to ignore all this

information,

> and

> > > > want only to selectively assess the chart by focusing on

> Jupiter

> > in

> > > > lagna, I think we are not being true either to the Veda

vidya

> or

> > to

> > > > ourselves. I think, here something greater than ourselves,

our

> > petty

> > > > discussions and fragile egos is at stake. The Truth is

> revealed

> > to us

> > > > through 12 houses and 9 planets. Instead, if we want to look

> at

> > only

> > > > one house and only one planet, I think we are doing our best

> not

> > to

> > > > elicit the truth, but to eclipse it. Please tell me, Sir,

> > honestly

> > > > do you, with your formidable intellectual stature, limit

> yourself

> > > > thus and not adopt an integrated approach for evaluating a

> chart?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > As far as Duryodhana's chart is concerned, My tentative

> feeling

> > is

> > > > that he had Jupiter debilitated in 10th for aries lagna,

with

> > Mars in

> > > > lagna, Rahu in Taurus, Venus & Mercury in gemini, sun in

> > cancer,

> > > > Ketu in scorpio, moon in Satabhisham (aquarius) along with

> saturn.

> > > > How is it? If any one has more information, it would be fun

to

> > > > discuss it.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I have not thought about other charts. But if someone else

> had,

> > I

> > > > would like to see them.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote:|| Jaya Jagannath ||

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for the comment from the puranas.

> > > > > " Lord Rama had to undergo vanvaas on account of Guru in

> Lagna,

> > > > Guru in third sent Bali to Patala. Guru in fourth tested

Satwa

> of

> > > > King Harishchandra, Guru in sixth made Draupadi face

> Cheerharana.

> > > > Guru in eighth destroyed (Nasha) Ravana, Tenth house Guru

> killed

> > > > Duryodhana and 12th house Guru sent Pandu to forest." It

> further

> > says

> > > > that Bhishma was deprived of Kingdom on account of Guru in

> 2nd,

> > King

> > > > Dasharath had to loose his Son Rama (Putrashoka) on account

of

> > Guru

> > > > in 5th. Aja Raja had to suffer separation from his wife on

> > account of

> > > > Guru in Seventh. Vishwamitra had to consume non eatables

> > (Abhakshya)

> > > > on account of his Guru in 9th."

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Sarajit

> > > > > -

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > PNRazdan

> > > > > Cc: Prafulla Gang ; vedic astrology

> > > > > Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:00 AM

> > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 2nd house Jup in

various

> > roles--

> > > > to Chandraji

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Razdan,

> > > > >

> > > > > Read BPHS again, Sage Parashara states opinion of Narada

in

> > Ghatika

> > > > Lagna shloka, refers to opinions of the learned (not Brahma)

in

> > > > shloka 15 Ch.11, shloka 15 Ch.12. First shloka of Bhava

Pada

> > Adhyaya

> > > > again mentions that he is telling the special effects of

Pada

> as

> > told

> > > > by other Sages (again not Brahma). He he also mentions

opinion

> of

> > > > others in first shloka of Karaka Adhyaya. The great Sage has

in

> > > > almost all Adhyayas given credit to other learneds in one or

> > other of

> > > > the shlokas, besides what Maitreya himself said to Sage

> Parashara

> > in

> > > > the beginning of Ashtakavarga Adhyaya. In Shloka 1 of that

> > Adhyaya

> > > > Maitreya clearly says that Parashara has given opinions of

many

> > > > Rishis and Acharyas. So saying that Parashara only told what

> had

> > been

> > > > revealed to him by Lord Brahma would be showing disrespect

to

> the

> > > > Great sage who had the magnanimity to give credit to other

> Rishis

> > and

> > > > Acharyas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since you are questioning veracity and authority of the

> shlokas

> > > > that I quoted, I would like to give you the Texts in which

the

> > > > shlokas appear. If you read Tatvapradeepjataka and Chamatkaar

> > > > Chintamani you will find them. The first text has the

shlokas

> and

> > the

> > > > later again mentions same shlokas. If you read Chamatkar

> > Chintamani

> > > > further you will find Jupiter giving harm to at least one

> > indication

> > > > of each of the houses/bhavas he occupies. It also mentions a

> > shloka

> > > > from Purana which says:

> > > > >

> > > > > " Lord Rama had to undergo vanvaas on account of Guru in

> Lagna,

> > > > Guru in third sent Bali to Patala. Guru in fourth tested

Satwa

> of

> > > > King Harishchandra, Guru in sixth made Draupadi face

> Cheerharana.

> > > > Guru in eighth destroyed (Nasha) Ravana, Tenth house Guru

> killed

> > > > Duryodhana and 12th house Guru sent Pandu to forest." It

> further

> > says

> > > > that Bhishma was deprived of Kingdom on account of Guru in

> 2nd,

> > King

> > > > Dasharath had to loose his Son Rama (Putrashoka) on account

of

> > Guru

> > > > in 5th. Aja Raja had to suffer separation from his wife on

> > account of

> > > > Guru in Seventh. Vishwamitra had to consume non eatables

> > (Abhakshya)

> > > > on account of his Guru in 9th."

> > > > >

> > > > > I would not like to respond to your other comments but

would

> > like

> > > > to mention here that the group is formed with an intention of

> > > > learning and discussing principles of astrology. I do not

> >

> > > > to your assumption of astrology being a rigid science not

open

> to

> > > > interpretation. Some of your comments are uncalled for.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > PNRazdan wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandarshekhar,There is nothing amusing in my

reasoning.

> > > > Parashara is quoting noordinary Muni but Lord Brahma himself

> which

> > > > gave us the BPHS.SimilarlyPrithuysas is quoting his father

the

> > great

> > > > Vrahmihir which gave us theHorasastra. Equating your shaloka

> > quoting

> > > > a nameless sage (not sages asI said earlier, but only one

sage-

> I

> > was

> > > > incorrect because the noun andverb is singular) would be

like

> > showing

> > > > candle to the Sun.I dont think this discussion is going to

> serve

> > any

> > > > purpose. You are notprepared to reveal the origin of the

> shalok

> > you

> > > > are so much dependingupon. By now it seems it is something

> > casually

> > > > said to which I attachedmore than necessary importance. You

> seem

> > to

> > > > have attained the role ofsome sort of a master in this group

> > wanting

> > > > your disciples to hunt forthemselves what you hint at. But I

> dont

> > > > think this is an Ashram. Thisis a forum of discussion where

an

> > > > academic discussion takes placeopenly without reservations.

Or

> > > > possibly there may be other reasons foryou not to come out

> > > > > openly.The moral of this story however is clear.

Astrology

> is a

> > > > science. Ithas a method. Under this method several books

have

> all

> > > > along treatedJup as a benefic planet and all interpretations

> are

> > > > based on thisprinciple with modifications depending on its

> > > > functionality, place,lordship, strength etc etc. If you now

> put

> > forth

> > > > a crazy idea thatJupiter is a malefic or malefic like planet

(

> > > > destroys the house it isplaced in), it turns the science

from a

> > > > method into a madness. It willput doubts into the minds of

all

> > > > astrologists while interpreting itseffects, particularly on

> young

> > > > minds aspiring to learn jyotish. AlreadyI see a discussion

> > started on

> > > > these lines on this group which in myopinion is energy

wasted

> on a

> > > > wrong notion. Everytime one sees Jup in ahouse, a doubt will

> > arise as

> > > > to whether it is good or bad. Some willassociate it with

good

> they

> > > > had in that house and others with whateverbad they had.So if

> you

> > are

> > > > determined to reap cheap publicity by making

> > radical,unauthenticated

> > > > and

> > > > > unconventional "advices", you may do so as this isa free

> forum.

> > > > But the least I can say is that this would be thegreatest

> > disservice

> > > > to the field of Vedic Astrology.My humble suggestion to

learned

> > > > members would be to accept any advice only after their own

> study

> > and

> > > > research and use dependable commentatorslike Raman, Rao

etc.for

> > > > clarifications. It would be fair to treat anyadvice

seriously

> > only if

> > > > it is backed up by its source so as to makeindependent

> > verification

> > > > possible unless the author says it to be hisown research/

> > experience.

> > > > Chandarshekharji, so let us decide to close this discussion

as

> > friends

> > > > (not by coincidence are we both having Jup as lagnesh).So

far I

> > > > didnot discuss specifics with you since I was on a

> > > > headlinesdiscussion. Let me now respond to your last two

> > queries.The

> > > > reference to Jup in theSecond house discussion of BPHS has

to

> be

> > read

> > > > in totality i.e all thethree shalokas 1,2 and 3 and not the

> 3rd

> > only.

> > > > Let me give a gist ofeach hereFirst shaloka: Dhanesh in

second,

> > > > > quadrants, trines is dhanvridhikarak(wealth giving) in

> 6,8,12

> > > > opposite.Second Shaloka: Benefics in 2nd house, conjunct or

> > aspected

> > > > bybenefics- wealth giving. Malefics in 2nd house opposite

> effect.

> > > > Nowhereis jupiter separated out as you claim to be.So long

as

> it

> > is

> > > > known as abenefic, it qualifies to be a wealth giver

according

> to

> > > > this shaloka.Third Shaloka: If 2nd lord is Jupiter and is

also

> > > > posited in the samehouse. And if Mars is also placed with

it,

> then

> > > > the subject becomeswealthy. Period.This does not mean that

if

> > Mars is

> > > > not there, Jupiter alone will harmthe house. This is an

> > implication

> > > > which you are trying to make outprobably to make your Muni's

> > dictum

> > > > hold good. Parashara never meansit. He means to say that

> while a

> > > > swagrahi jupiter in second is enoughto make one rich but

with

> Mars

> > > > there it adds to ones wealth. Mark thesanskrit words "Vapi"

> > > > meaning 'in addition".And then you are contradicting your

own

> self

> > > > since even without Mars,Jupiter would still be swagrahi

which

> as

> > per

> > > > > your shaloka is not bad.So why Mars becomes necessary to

> > support?

> > > > As regards your second point, I am unfortunately not getting

> > > > theshaloka since I have a different edition. There is no

> chapter

> > > > onKakshya and I took it as Karkanshya Phal Adhyay which has

no

> > > > shalokwanting Jup to have support of benefics to give good

> > > > results.Sorry for the long mail. RegardsPran Razdan---

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <boxdel> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Razdan,I am amused at the reasoning put forward by

you

> > that if

> > > > some author quotes some other authority, he is not an

> authority on

> > > > the subject.If that be so all those you treat as authorities,

> > > > including Parashara, Varahamihira (By the way I have not

heard

> of

> > > > Mantracharya) would alsobe reduced to the status of

ignoramus.

> > All of

> > > > those who are treated as authorities have given opinions of

> > others by

> > > > either referring totheir names or saying precisely what the

> shloka

> > > > says that is "so sayMunis". So rest assured none of the

> Acharyas

> > and

> > > > Pravartakas will tremble at what I have stated. The reason I

> am

> > not

> > > > giving the name of theauthority is I want people to read

> various

> > > > texts and find out for themselves. There are numerous texts

> and it

> > > > takes time to remember the name of author of each and every

> shloka

> > > > one quotes is the other reason.If you do not want to read

> > > > commentaries, your choice of astrological texts would be

> reduced

> > to

> > > > almost one or two as every author of note, states at the

> beginning

> > > > > of his text that he is only telling whatothers have told

> before

> > > > him in a more concise form, including Varaha Mihira.Maitreya

> also

> > > > asks Parashara that as he has till now told principlesof

> > astrology on

> > > > the basis of what others have told he should give a

relatively

> > easy

> > > > method so that transit of planets could be used for

prediction

> by

> > > > those slow of grasp in the chapter on Ashtakavarga

> inBPHS.Could

> > you

> > > > explain the reason of shloka3 Chapter 13 of BPHS? What isthe

> > reason

> > > > for Parashara to qualify Jupiter's being Lord of the 2nd

when

> > placed

> > > > in 2nd or needing to be with Mars there to make one wealthy,

> > implying

> > > > that Jupiter in other cases by its mere presence in 2ndwould

> not

> > be

> > > > capable of conferring wealth on one. I hope you do not

> > > > disputeknowledge of Parashara himself or think he is quoting

> > > > withoutauthority. While at BPHS you may also like to reason

> out

> > why

> > > > CH.43 shloka 48tells that for Jupiter to give Kakshya Vridhi

> it

> > has

> > > > to be aspected by a benefic when in Lagna or 7th house.

Think

> why

> > > > > Jupiter by himself doesnot give Kakshya Vriddhi in

> > > > longevity.Chandrashekhar.PNRazdan wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandarshekhar,As already informed I have already

read

> the

> > > > shalok quoted by you insupport of your contention. jIv>

> SvSwanhNta

> > > > vdit muinvra +iòrSy àzSta,saEir SvSwanpal> prmÉykir +iòrSy

> > ànòa.But

> > > > please understand, this shaloka by itself does not establish

> > > > thethesis you are trying to put forward. It has to be backed

> up by

> > > > theauthor, his standing in the astrological field, the time

> when

> > it

> > > > wassaid and the context in which it was said. Literally

> > translated,

> > > > theShalok means "Guru destroys the house it is placed in and

> > > > dignifies

> > > > >

> > > > > the

> > > > >

> > > > > house it aspects, so say the sages. Saturn protects the

> house it

> > > > is

> > > > >

> > > > > in

> > > > >

> > > > > while its dangerous aspect destroys it". Mark the

> > words "vdit

> > > > >

> > > > > muinvra"

> > > > >

> > > > > i.e.so say the sages. This means that this shaloka too is

> > > > somebodyelse's quote and not that of its author. Who is the

> > author of

> > > > thisblatant theory after all?Chandarshekharji, you are

making

> an

> > > > important and revolutionarystatement which if followed shall

> > change

> > > > the entire structure of

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrology. (I am sure Parasara, Varamihir, Mantracharya all

> > > > must

> > > > >

> > > > > have

> > > > >

> > > > > stumbled in swargloka after hearing this shaloka). You

> have

> > > > >

> > > > > therefore

> > > > >

> > > > > to back it up equally strongly. Sanskrit shalokas can be

> written

> > > > byanybody, even a primary class student studying sanskrit.

It

> does

> > > > notmean we should accept any shalok blindly simply because

it

> > is

> > > > >

> > > > > written

> > > > >

> > > > > in sanskrit.At one stage you said this is a shaloka and we

> need

> > not

> > > > go into itsreasoning. OK but tell us the name of the author

> who

> > is so

> > > > respected

> > > > >

> > > > > in

> > > > >

> > > > > this field that we donot question his authority. In your

> other

> > mail

> > > > you have advised me to read commentaries of Pt.Gopeshkumar

Oza

> and

> > > > Pt. Kedardatt Joshi. Why should I read

> > > > >

> > > > > commentaries

> > > > >

> > > > > and not the original shalokas if I know sanskrit very

well.

> So,

> > as

> > > > a learned Guru please favour all of us with the

> > backgroundinformation

> > > > on the shaloka complete with your masterly reasoning whyyou

> are so

> > > > convinced of its truth and applicability in the lives ofhuman

> > > > beings.I shall not go into the discussion of individual

charts

> as

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > >

> > > > > common

> > > > >

> > > > > knowledge that results depend on many factors. If you are

> > now

> > > > >

> > > > > holding

> > > > >

> > > > > Jup responsible for any bad thing that happened in the

lives

> > > > of

> > > > >

> > > > > these

> > > > >

> > > > > people, then the debate would be endless. Besides Lakshmi

has

> > > > verynicely handled this issue and replied the post point by

> > > > point.Pran Razdan--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Razdan,I have already given the relevant shloka and

> others

> > > > have given

> > > > >

> > > > > other

> > > > >

> > > > > shlokas too. I have already advised you to go through the

> > > > archivesbut it appears you have not done so. Have you found

> shloka

> > > > aboutJupiter's position in certain Rasis giving problems in

> > progeny

> > > > at least?You have mentioned many personalities, how much do

> you

> > know

> > > > abouttheir personal lives to say that Jupiter has not harmed

> the

> > > > house that occupies? Does A.B. Vajpayee has his own family?

> Check

> > up.

> > > > Also

> > > > >

> > > > > check

> > > > >

> > > > > up what lata Mangeshkar did to her sister to understand

what

> > Guru

> > > > inLagna can do.I have not made any sweeping statement. If

you

> read

> > > > the list, manyhave agreed to what I have said from their own

> > > > experience. I have alsosaid that one has to apply the dictum

in

> > > > proper perspective to get

> > > > >

> > > > > correct

> > > > >

> > > > > results. For this one has to know all the dictums, like all

> > > > planetsgive good results in own house and all planets are

> capable

> > of

> > > > giving

> > > > >

> > > > > good

> > > > >

> > > > > results in 11th house. I think I have written umpteen

times

> that

> > > > no

> > > > >

> > > > > principle can be applied on standalone basis but has to be

> > > > appliedafter taking into consideration all variables.The case

> > > > mentioned by dear Lakshmi have Jupiter in own house orSaturn

> who

> > > > protects the house is also conjunct Jupiter, if I

> remember

> > > > >

> > > > > right.

> > > > >

> > > > > The dictum being Sthana Bhrashta karoti JeevaH , sthana

> > > > rakshatimandaH, the results that are stated to be obtained

are

> in

> > > > keeping with thedictum.Chandrashekhar.PNRazdan

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, I have been reading your posts on

this

> > subject

> > > > all along but

> > > > >

> > > > > failed

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > to

> > > > >

> > > > > get your source of conviction.We all agree that Jup too

has

> its

> > > > unfavourable positions and

> > > > >

> > > > > traits.

> > > > >

> > > > > We know it is a stronger Maraka, we also know that it is

> > > > a

> > > > >

> > > > > functional

> > > > >

> > > > > malefic in Taurus, Libra, Capri etc laganas. We also know

> that

> > > > it

> > > > >

> > > > > gets

> > > > >

> > > > > KP dosh in quadrant lordship, although KPdosh means only

> holding

> > > > beneficial/malefic qualities, nothing more, but we extend

> > > > the

> > > > >

> > > > > argument

> > > > >

> > > > > further by making them good or bad. These are well

> > > > established

> > > > >

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