[Vedavyasa] Kalachakra Dasa Analysis of Sri Jayendra Saraswathi

November 21, 2004

Dear Narasimha,

I am not as well versed with Kala Chakra dasha as you or Raman. But

does not Parashara say "In the Kala Chakra Dasha, like the Vimshottary

Dasha system, the span

of Dasha should be multiplied by the span of the Dasha of the Rāśi,

whose Antar Dasha is required and the product should be divided by the

total Dasha years of (all) the Rāśi(s). The years, months etc. as

arrived at will represent the Antar Dasha of the Rāśi concerned."

(Adhyaya 51 Shloka 7 to 12)?

Chandrashekhar.

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote:

Om Namassivaaya

Namaste Sri Raman,

> The Dasa system given above is different

from that given in JH.

Thank you for giving your calculations. You said

that these calculations are different from JHora.

That is true based on the old JHora calculations.

But I have changed my views earlier this year. After meditating on this

for several years, I found a satisfactory answer to my burning

questions on Kalachakra dasa. The next release of JHora will give some

new options for Kalachakra dasa.

Your calculations match my latest

calculations as far as mahadasas are concerned (excepting that

you are using 365 day years instead of 365.2425 day years and hence

losing some days over the years).

However, we have a big disagreement on

antardasas. You are using the Vimsottari dasa paradigm and starting

antardasas from mahadasa sign. This approach of yours creates gatis

(leaps) not mentioned by Shiva or Parasara. For example, take someone

born with Moon in Aswini 2nd pada. Mahadasas go as Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc, Li,

Vi, Cn, Le and Ge. Using your approach, antardasas in Ge mahadasa go as

Ge, Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc, Li, Vi, Cn and Le. The jump from Ge to Cp is not

mentioned by Shiva or Parasara. Please note that Shiva indicated the

applicability of gatis in antardasas also.

These unsanctioned gatis in antardasas are the

biggest drawback of your approach.

The approach I have tried in the latest public

release of JHora was to go to the next quarter's navamsa cycle when we

approach the end of a navamsa cycle. In the example given above,

antardasas in Ge mahadasa would go as Ge, Ta, Ar, Pi etc (i.e. use

Aswini 3rd quarter's cycle after Aswini 2nd quarter's cycle ends,

instead of wrapping back to the beginning of Aswini 2nd quarter's

cycle). This ensures that there are no awkward/unsanctioned leaps in

antardasas.

However, I was not fully satisfied. Antardasas

jumping ahead of mahadasas and pratyantardasas jumping ahead of

antardasas and going from one dasa cycle to another is not pretty too,

though it atleast avoids gatis not sanctioned by Shiva.

I actually was troubled by a bigger problem.

Shiva explicitly taught Parvati the results of various antardasas in

various mahadasas in savya and apasavya cycles. He gave 2x12x9=216

separate results (2 cycles, 12 mahadasa signs, 9 antardasa signs in

each). Both your approach and my approach result in several

mahadasa-antardasa combinations that are outside of the list mentioned

by Shiva. So both these approaches of antardasa reckoning must be

incorrect. I was troubled by this for a long time and kept searching

for the correct approach.

After I meditated on this for long, a very simple

and fundamental realization came to me that finally enabled me to solve

the puzzle. Once I thought of it, it now seems so obvious that I wonder

why I could not think of it earlier. It just feels like common sense

now. Pt. Sanjay Rath also found it satisfactory and he blessed it.

The mahadasas allocated to various

navamsas are essentially navamsa signs themselves too!!!! We

are mapping the 108 navamsas back to 108 navamsas. We are mapping each

navamsa to nine different navamsas.

For example, suppose Moon is in Aswini 1st

quarter, i.e. Aries navamsa. The mahadasas are said to be Ar, Ta, Ge,

Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc and Sg. These are nothing but the nine navamsas in

Aries rasi, i.e. Aswini 1, 2, 3, 4, Bharani 1, 2, 3, 4 and Krittika 1.

Look at the dasa signs as not just any signs but as navamsas within a

particular sign.

The four quarters of Aswini get 9 navamsas each

in their dasa cycles and thus they cover 36 navamsas, i.e. one-third of

the zodiac (Aswini 1-Asresha 4). The four quarters of Bharani get the

next one-third (Magha 1-Jyeshtha 4). The four quarters of Krittika get

the last one-third (Moola 1-Revathi 4). Then we go to apasavya

nakshatras and they get the 108 navamsas starting from Jyeshtha 4 and

ending in Moola 1 (mirror image of the savya zodiac)! That covers

Rohini, Mrigasira and Ardra. Then we are back to the savya zodiac and

get 108 navamsas from Aswini 1 to Revathi 4 for Punarvasu, Pushyami and

Asresha. And so on.

Let us take the chart of Swami Jayendra

Saraswati. Please allow me to use Chitrapaksha ayanamsa and a birthtime

of 7:00 pm (actually, I have rectified it slightly, but will not share

that time for now). Natal Moon is in Dhanishtha 4th quarter. The dasas,

as you mentioned, go as Sg, Sc, Li, Vi, Le, Cn, Ge, Ta and Ar. These

are nothing but the 9 navamsas of Aries (mirror image of Scorpio -

which contains Dhanishtha 4), going backward from Krittika 1 to Aswini

1! The four quarters of Sravanam get the 36 navamsas starting from

Jyeshtha 4 and ending in Magha 1. The four quarters of Dhanishtha get

the 36 navamsas starting from Asresha 4 and ending in Aswini 1.

Thus, Dhanishtha 4 gets Krittika 1, Bharani 4, 3,

2, 1, Aswini 4, 3, 2 and 1. Gemini (current

mahadasa) corresponds to Aswini 3rd quarter. Here are the mahadasas

(the nakshatra padas corresponding to the mahadasas are given in

brackets by JHora).

Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Apasavya group, Paramayush

= 100 years):

Maha Dasas:

Sg (Krit1): 1931-11-10 (22:58:38) - 1941-11-10

(12:34:07)

Sc (Bhar4): 1941-11-10 (12:34:07) - 1948-11-10

(7:33:19)

Li (Bhar3): 1948-11-10 (7:33:19) - 1964-11-10

(9:58:34)

Vi (Bhar2): 1964-11-10 (9:58:34) - 1973-11-10

(17:27:58)

Le (Bhar1): 1973-11-10 (17:27:58) - 1978-11-11

(0:06:08)

Cn (Aswi4): 1978-11-11 (0:06:08) - 1999-11-11

(9:23:38)

Ge (Aswi3): 1999-11-11 (9:23:38) -

2008-11-10 (16:49:55) <<<<

Ta (Aswi2): 2008-11-10 (16:49:55) - 2024-11-10

(19:13:15)

Ar (Aswi1): 2024-11-10 (19:13:15) - 2031-11-11

(14:23:58)

Now, my simple idea is to take the

navamsa (nakshatra pada) corresponding to mahadasa sign and treat that

as natal Moon's navamsa and find antardasas using the same procedure

used in finding mahadasas!!!! Thus, mahadasas, antardasas,

pratyantardasas etc stick to the same methodology. They use the same

mapping.

This means that we not only stick to the gatis

sanctioned by Shiva at the antardasa level also (and at all levels),

but we stick to the mahadasa-antardasa combinations described by Shiva.

We do not get any mahadasa-antardasa combinations outside of the list

given by Shiva with this approach. This approach is quite logical and

consistent. Though there is still one small issue that troubles me,

this may be mostly correct. Pt Sanjay Rath and I will be presenting

this research in great detail at the Mumbai conference (though I will

not be physically present, I will be present in spirit), so that

scholars can experiment with it and judge it.

Thus, to find the antardasas in Ge dasa of

Swamiji, look at the dasa cycle corresponding to Aswini 3rd quarter.

Here are the calculations.

Kalachakra Dasa (Moon, Apasavya group, Paramayush

= 100 years):

Ge (Aswi3) MD: 1999-11-11 (9:23:38) - 2008-11-10

(16:49:55)

Antardasas in this MD:

Ta (Mrig3): 1999-11-11 (9:23:38) - 2001-08-05

(11:54:10)

Ar (Mrig4): 2001-08-05 (11:54:10) - 2002-05-07

(3:06:26)

Pi (Ardr1): 2002-05-07 (3:06:26) - 2003-06-07

(22:37:25)

Aq (Ardr2): 2003-06-07 (22:37:25) - 2003-11-15

(17:31:32)

Cp (Ardr3): 2003-11-15 (17:31:32) - 2004-04-18

(19:04:09)

Sg (Ardr4): 2004-04-18 (19:04:09) -

2005-05-20 (9:00:30) <<<<

Ar (Puna1): 2005-05-20 (9:00:30) - 2006-02-21

(12:15:15)

Ta (Puna2): 2006-02-21 (12:15:15) - 2007-11-20

(1:18:55)

Ge (Puna3): 2007-11-20 (1:18:55) - 2008-11-10

(16:49:55)

The antardasa running right now, as per this

method, is Sg. Please note that Sg is the 12th house of imprisonment in

the natal rasi chart and Rahu occupies it! Moreover, the nakshatra

involved is Ardra, owned by Rudra. This is also a Simhavalokana

antardasa! Bottomline is that he is unfortunately running the mahadasa

of 6th house and antardasa of 12th house and these two signs are

occupied by nodes in both rasi and navamsa.

After we present this method of finding

Kalachakra dasa at Mumbai in detail, I will release a newer version of

JHora that supports this method. I am sorry for teaching a wrong

version of Kalachakra dasa in the past and sincerely hope that I got it

right this time.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

vedic astrology, "Raman

Suprajarama" <cru115@n...> wrote:

> Dear friends and esteemed scholars,

>

> Namasthe!

>

> Kalachakra Dasa Analysis of Sri Jayendra

Saraswathi's chart is given below:

>

> July 18, 1935

> Time: 18:39:00

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 79 E 09' 00", 10 N 48' 00"

> Thanjavur, India

>

> Kalachakra Mahadasa-Antardasa-Pratyandartasa

>

> MD Dhanus Guru 18-Jul-35 12-Mar-38

> MD Vrischika Mars 12-Mar-38 10-Mar-45

> MD Tula Sukra 10-Mar-45 06-Mar-61

> MD Kanya Budha 06-Mar-61 04-Mar-70

> MD Simha Surya 04-Mar-70 03-Mar-75

> MD Kataka Chandra 03-Mar-75 26-Feb-96

> MD Mithuna Budha 26-Feb-96 23-Feb-05

>

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Mithuna Budha 26-Feb-96

> 14-Dec-96

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Vrishabha Sukra

14-Dec-96 21-May-98

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Mesha Kuja 21-May-98

03-Jan-99

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Dhanus Guru 03-Jan-99

23-Nov-99

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Vrischika Mars 23-Nov-99

> 07-Jul-00

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Tula Sukra 07-Jul-00

12-Dec-01

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Kanya Budha 12-Dec-01

30-Sep-02

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Simha Surya 30-Sep-02

11-Mar-03

> MD Mithuna Budha AD Kataka Chandra 11-Mar-03

> 24-Jun-05

>

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Katk Chandra

11-Mar-03 02-Aug-03

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Mithna Budha

02-Aug-03 02-Oct-03

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Vrish Sukra

02-Oct-03 19-Jan-04

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Mesha Kuja

19-Jan-04 07-Mar-04

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Dhanus Guru

07-Mar-04 14-May-04

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Vrisca Mars

14-May-04 01-Jul-04

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Tula Sukra

01-Jul-04 18-Oct-04

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Kanya Budha

18-Oct-04 18-Dec-04

> MD Mit Budha AD Katk Chandra PD Simha Surya

18-Dec-04 21-Jan-05

>

> The Dasa system given above is different

from that given in JH. The dates

> given are start and end dates respectively.

An error of about 16 days exists

> due to human limitations. I use Raman

Ayanamsa.

>

> From the above, we can see that the seer of

Kanchi is running Mahadasa of

> Mithuna-Budha, Antardasa of Kataka-Chandra

and Pratyantar Dasa of

> Kanya-Budha.

>

> Mithuna-Budha Dasa - The lord of the sign,

Mercury is in the 6th, an

> inimical sign. Natural benefic Jupiter

aspects him, but Jupiter is inturn

> afflicted by his association with natural

malefic Mars. In Navamsa, he is in

> Lagna, but Sun aspects him. The lord of that

sign is well placed in 2nd and

> viewed by Venus.

>

> Kataka-Chandra Antardasa - The sign is

afflicted by presence of 8th lord Sun

> and aspect of Rahu (external influence).

Ketu acts like Mars and is good to

> a certain level. Lord of the sign, Sun is in

the 2nd from lagna, along with

> Lagna lord and has favorable aspect of

Jupiter (Spiritual leaders).

> Influence of rulers is usually characterized

by this Antardasa.

>

> Kanya-Budha Pratyantardasa - The sign is not

occupied by any planet. The

> lord of the sign is placed in an inimical

sign and also not well placed in

> Navamsa. In Navamsa, Sun (political heads)

aspects him. He has Rahu and

> Saturn on either side.

>

> These indications show the influence of 6th

house and Sun (planet denoting

> political leaders). The influence of Rahu is

also high indicating external

> influences. At this point, I am not able to

conclude what this influence is.

> Rahu in Makara indicates aberration of mind.

>

> The next pratyantardasa is of Simha Surya

(18-Dec-04 to 21-Jan-05). It is

> the 8th sign from Lagna. Yogakaraka Venus is

placed present which is

> beneficial. Further, Lagna lord Saturn and

Moon aspect it. Sign lord Sun is

> well placed in the 7th along with Ketu, but

aspected by Rahu. In Navamsa, he

> is again well placed in 7th, in his own

sign, and aspected by Mercury and

> benefic Jupiter. The current period might

give a solution to the case and

> help the seer.

>

> I request readers to kindly give their

observations.

>

> Om Tat Sat,

>

> Raman Suprajarama

[om jum sah vyam Vedavyasaaya namah sah jum om]

November 23, 2004

Dear Narasimha,

You are using a different approach to Antardasha calculation for

Kalachakra dasha which has been elaborated by you at length. I have one

query. You have said, in support of the argument that since the leap

from Ge to Cp is not mentioned, that can not be the order. My question

is that if we assume nothing out side the leaps mentioned should be the

correct order for Antardasha, then same parameter should also exist in

the Mahadasha. Now, to my knowledge, and I could be wrong, three leaps

are mentioned in texts. These are Manduka, Markati of Turaga and

Simhavalokana. These are all leaps backwards, first is a leap skipping

one sign, next going back one sign and third is skipping more than one

sign backwards. ( There are difference in opinion between various

authorities on exactly what do these constitute but let us not

complicate the subject at this point). Now having accepted these as the

only possible movements allowable, how do we interpret the movement

from Mesha to Dhanu as for 2nd pada of Dhanishtha? Is such a leap

mentioned by either Parashara or Shiva or any other text? Not being

mentioned in the texts do we take the Mahadasha order to be wrong?

Another point I would like to know from you ,Raman and Rama Naryayana

is what parameters are used to calculate the Bhukta and Bhogya

Mahadasha at birth? The question might appear to be very elementary to

all you worthies, but since the Purnaayu is applicable to Nakshtra

Charana, I would like to know whether the proportion is applied to the

first Mahadasha or the entire Purnaayu.