Mars.... is he really karaka for celebecy ? To Sjt.Visti Larsen

June 12, 2004

You are right as far as your understanding which is based on Ancient scriptures is concerned.

This being also has done some deep work on Astrology and formulated some path

breaking original researches on nodes. (The research continues)

Being of scientific inclination, this being has always relied on Modern

scientific approach to solve esoteric problems and theories.

If you had read carefully, you would have noticed the corelation of the

arguments put forth by this being, with solid proof citing Periodic Table

classifications .

May be you should read complete work on this issue postulated by this being.

Speaking of rulership of Asthi (Bones), it goes to Mercury as per undersigned's research.

Speaking of Mars as Lord of Vitality, please understand that by VITALITY, it is meant VIRILITY.

But accepting Mars as lord of celebecy is rather far fetched idea for this Atman.

As children start producing VIRYA at the age of 15 or 16 (With sperms), there is

no question of Mars helping out in Balarishta breaking.

This is where only Jupiter, the lord of DHI can help. Also other natural

benefics Mercury and Venus can help.You forgot to mention strong Moon and

strong Sun helping to break Balarishta.

Benefics predominate in early life and Natural malefics predominate in later

life.(In terms of success to live and succeed).

Liberty is being taken to post this reply with your mail. Hope you would not mind.

Tatvam-Asi"Visti @ Denmark" <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Räma Kåñëa|

Dear Hamsa, Namaskar.

Where did you get these ideas from.

Let me highlight one specific portion; He rules over muscles and Bones.

Sun rules over Asthi Dhatu which is bones, whilst Saturn rules over Snäyu Dhatu

which people have agreed is muscles.

Mars rules over Majja Dhatu which is the nerves. This is what Sage Päräçara

states. There is no mention of Vitamins.

No you talked of vitality. With vitality and health two things will be

noticeable; increased appetite for food and increased sexual appetite as well.

This is known as Virya and is predominated by Venus – this applies to both men

and women. Venus also rules the Mrityunjaya Mantra and hence has the power to

bring back life into people, or raise the dead just as Sukracharya did.

Now assume that Mars did indeed rule vitality, then why didn’t Päräçara mention

that Mars can break Bälariñöa Yoga’s? He only mentioned; Jupiter, Venus and

Mercury.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

nameisego [nameisego ] 12 June 2004 05:17To:

vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Mars.... is he

really karaka for celebecy ?

Dear Friends,I read with interest comments made by Sjt. VISTI about Mars which I

quote as under,QUOTE, "Mars is the natural käraka for CELIBECY(highlited),

as he is a warrior and is required not to engage in such affairs, at least

until 44 where the warrior can retire."UNQUOTEThis being has done some work on

co-relating astrology with periodic table. And the

findings on Mars as the lord of 5th group of the Periodic Table are as

follows.MARS A LORD OF 5th GROUP: In periodic tableWe know that Mars is the war

lord. He is a Potent Male. He has a strong body. He rules over muscles and

Bones. He has red eyes. Rules over red colour. Bismuth is a Reddish metal.

Phosphorous is reddish. Without phosphorous, bones would be useless. Nitrogen

belonging to 5th group is the basis of Amino Acids and other vital Amino

compounds like Vitamins.Energy is Enclosed in ATP which is a

Phospherous compound. Little information from Net is as follows,ATP is

Energy!For your muscles -- in fact, for every cell in your body -- the source

of energy that keeps everything going is called ATP. Adenosine triphosphate

(ATP) is the biochemical way to store and use energy. The entire reaction that

turns ATP into energy is a bit complicated, but here is a good summary:

Chemically, ATP is an adenine nucleotide bound to three phosphates. There is a

lot of energy stored in the bond between the second and third phosphate groups

that

can be used to fuel chemical reactions. When a cell needs energy, it breaks this

bond to form adenosine diphosphate (ADP) and a free phosphate molecule. In some

instances, the second phosphate group can also be broken to form adenosine

monophosphate (AMP). When the cell has excess energy, it stores this energy by

forming ATP from ADP and phosphate. ATP is required for the biochemical

reactions involved in any muscle contraction. As the work of the muscle

increases, more and more ATP gets consumed and must be replaced in order for the

muscle to keep moving. Because ATP is so important, the body has several

different systems to create ATP. These systems work together in phases. The

interesting thing is that different forms of exercise use different systems, so

a sprinter is getting ATP in a completely different way from a marathon runner!

Thus MARS is undisputed lord of Vitality.Arsenikom in Greek means POTENT or

MALE.You will find Arsenic in 5th group.Outermost shell of Nitrogen and all the

other elements has 3 electrons. Hence Mars is also known as Trikona . This

denotes that Power lies in A Triangle. This may be the reason for Tantra

diagrams being based on TrianglesThis is also why Kartik the commander of

Deva's army (Mars) has Triangular Vel (LANCE) in his hand.Coming to original

observation by Visti about Mars being Karaka for Celibecy is very new to this

being.Tatvam_Asi

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It seems that we do not want to look beyond BPHS .

Om-Tatsat_Om

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Hamsa,

So this is your own/individual study. Go figure.

Hamsa Om Soham

Best wishes,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

Noname Noname [nameisego ] 13 June 2004 07:06To:

Visti @ DenmarkCc: Re: Mars.... is he really karaka for celebecy ? To

Sjt.Visti Larsen

Hello Visti Larsen,

You are right as far as your understanding which is based on Ancient scriptures is concerned.

This being also has done some deep work on Astrology and formulated some path

breaking original researches on nodes. (The research continues)

Being of scientific inclination, this being has always relied on Modern

scientific approach to solve esoteric problems and theories.

If you had read carefully, you would have noticed the corelation of the

arguments put forth by this being, with solid proof citing Periodic Table

classifications .

May be you should read complete work on this issue postulated by this being.

Speaking of rulership of Asthi (Bones), it goes to Mercury as per undersigned's research.

Speaking of Mars as Lord of Vitality, please understand that by VITALITY, it is meant VIRILITY.

But accepting Mars as lord of celebecy is rather far fetched idea for this Atman.

As children start producing VIRYA at the age of 15 or 16 (With sperms), there is

no question of Mars helping out in Balarishta breaking.

This is where only Jupiter, the lord of DHI can help. Also other natural

benefics Mercury and Venus can help.You forgot to mention strong Moon and

strong Sun helping to break Balarishta.

Benefics predominate in early life and Natural malefics predominate in later

life.(In terms of success to live and succeed).

Liberty is being taken to post this reply with your mail. Hope you would not mind.

Tatvam-Asi"Visti @ Denmark" <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rdma Keqka|

Dear Hamsa, Namaskar.

Where did you get these ideas from.

Let me highlight one specific portion; He rules over muscles and Bones.

Sun rules over Asthi Dhatu which is bones, whilst Saturn rules over Sndyu Dhatu

which people have agreed is muscles.

Mars rules over Majja Dhatu which is the nerves. This is what Sage Pdrdgara

states. There is no mention of Vitamins.

No you talked of vitality. With vitality and health two things will be

noticeable; increased appetite for food and increased sexual appetite as well.

This is known as Virya and is predominated by Venus this applies to both men

and women. Venus also rules the Mrityunjaya Mantra and hence has the power to

bring back life into people, or raise the dead just as Sukracharya did.

Now assume that Mars did indeed rule vitality, then why didnt Pdrdgara mention

that Mars can break Bdlariqva Yogas? He only mentioned; Jupiter, Venus and

Mercury.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

nameisego [nameisego ] 12 June 2004 05:17To:

vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Mars.... is he

really karaka for celebecy ?

Dear Friends,I read with interest comments made by Sjt. VISTI about Mars which I

quote as under,QUOTE, "Mars is the natural kdraka for CELIBECY(highlited),

as he is a warrior and is required not to engage in such affairs, at least

until 44 where the warrior can retire."UNQUOTEThis being has done some work on

co-relating astrology with periodic table. And the findings on Mars as the lord

of 5th group of the Periodic Table are as follows.MARS A LORD OF 5th GROUP: In

periodic tableWe know that Mars is the war lord. He is a Potent Male. He has a

strong body. He rules over muscles and Bones. He has red eyes. Rules over red

colour. Bismuth is a Reddish metal. Phosphorous is reddish. Without

phosphorous, bones would be useless. Nitrogen belonging to 5th group is the

basis of Amino Acids and other vital Amino compounds like Vitamins.Energy is

Enclosed in ATP which is a Phospherous compound. Little information from Net is

as follows,ATP is Energy!For your muscles -- in fact, for every cell in your

body -- the source of energy that keeps everything going is called ATP.

Adenosine triphosphate (ATP) is the biochemical way to store and use energy.

The entire reaction that turns ATP into energy is a bit complicated, but here

is a good summary: Chemically, ATP is an adenine nucleotide bound to three

phosphates. There is a lot of energy stored in the bond between the second and

New">third phosphate groups that can be used to fuel chemical reactions. When a

cell needs energy, it breaks this bond to form adenosine diphosphate (ADP) and

a free phosphate molecule. In some instances, the second phosphate group can

also be broken to form adenosine monophosphate (AMP). When the cell has excess

energy, it stores this energy by forming ATP from ADP and phosphate. ATP is

required for the biochemical reactions involved in any muscle

contraction. As the work of the muscle increases, more and more ATP gets

consumed and must be replaced in order for the muscle to keep moving. Because

ATP is so important, the body has several different systems to create ATP.

These systems work together in phases. The interesting thing is that different

forms of exercise use different systems, so a sprinter is getting ATP in a

completely different way from a marathon runner! Thus MARS is undisputed lord

of Vitality.Arsenikom in Greek means POTENT or MALE.You will find Arsenic in

5th group.Outermost shell of Nitrogen and all the other elements has 3

electrons. Hence Mars is also known as Trikona . This denotes that Power lies

in A Triangle. This may be the reason for Tantra diagrams being based on

TrianglesThis is also why Kartik the commander of Deva's army (Mars) has

Triangular Vel (LANCE) in his hand.Coming to original observation by Visti

about Mars being Karaka for Celibecy is very new to this being.

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Dear Visti Ji,

I have been following this interesting discussion hoping for the

necter to emerge from this manthan. The poison has emerged, I hope

we will get necter now.

What you state below regarding encapsulating the mantra (Samput) is

not a hard and fast rule. Actually, this is one of the beauties of

Sanatan dharma, the teachings of sages only guide not force.

Evolved souls like Vivekananda and Shivananda have used Om TatSat Om

in their writings and teachings. Please read the poem by

Vivekananda "The Song Of The Sanyasin" OR the teachings by Sivananda.

with warmest regards,

Arun

vedic astrology, "Visti @ Denmark"

<visti@s...> wrote:

> |Hare Räma Kåñëa|

>

> Dear Hamsa (one of the aspirations of the Jeevatma),

>

> Please do not add Om at the end of that mantra, it is prasiddha

and will not

> harm you.

>

> Om when it encapsulates a mantra is used to protect one from the

evil

> effects of the same – there are no evil effects of the

Satyanarayana Mantra.

>

> As for BPHS – I do not assume myself to be more enlightened than

Päräçara;

> hence I do not stray far from his teachings.

>

> I respect your opinion, but do not abide by it, as I was taught

how to apply

> the Saptadhatu in charts, hence see no need of taking on other

ideas.

>

> So please no more sharp and quick answers, just leave this alone

and

> continue your research.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Visti Larsen

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

_____

>

> Noname Noname [nameisego]

> 13 June 2004 12:23

> Visti @ Denmark

> Cc: vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] RE: Mars.... is he really karaka for

celebecy ?

> To Sjt.Visti Larsen

>

> Hello Sjt.Visti Larsen,

>

> It seems that we do not want to look beyond BPHS .

>

> Om-Tatsat_Om

>

|Hare Rama Krsna|

>

> Dear Hamsa,

>

> So this is your own/individual study. Go figure.

>

> Hamsa Om Soham

>

> Best wishes,

>

Visti Larsen

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

_____

>

> Noname Noname [nameisego]

> 13 June 2004 07:06

> Visti @ Denmark

> Cc: Re: Mars.... is he really karaka for celebecy ? To

Sjt.Visti

> Larsen

>

> Hello Visti Larsen,

>

> You are right as far as your understanding which is based on

Ancient

> scriptures is concerned.

>

> This being also has done some deep work on Astrology and

formulated some

> path breaking original researches on nodes. (The research

continues)

>

> Being of scientific inclination, this being has always relied on

Modern

> scientific approach to solve esoteric problems and theories.

>

> If you had read carefully, you would have noticed the corelation

of the

> arguments put forth by this being, with solid proof citing

Periodic Table

> classifications .

>

> May be you should read complete work on this issue postulated by

this

> being.

>

> Speaking of rulership of Asthi (Bones), it goes to Mercury as per

> undersigned's research.

>

> Speaking of Mars as Lord of Vitality, please understand that by

VITALITY, it

> is meant VIRILITY.

>

> But accepting Mars as lord of celebecy is rather far fetched idea

for this

> Atman.

>

> As children start producing VIRYA at the age of 15 or 16 (With

sperms),

> there is no question of Mars helping out in Balarishta breaking.

>

> This is where only Jupiter, the lord of DHI can help. Also other

natural

> benefics Mercury and Venus can help.You forgot to mention strong

Moon and

> strong Sun helping to break Balarishta.

>

> Benefics predominate in early life and Natural malefics

predominate in later

> life.(In terms of success to live and succeed).

>

> Liberty is being taken to post this reply with your mail. Hope you

would not

> mind.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> "Visti @ Denmark" <visti@s...> wrote:

>

> |Hare Rdma Keqka|

>

> Dear Hamsa, Namaskar.

>

> Where did you get these ideas from.

>

> Let me highlight one specific portion; He rules over muscles and

Bones.

>

> Sun rules over Asthi Dhatu which is bones, whilst Saturn rules

over Sndyu

> Dhatu which people have agreed is muscles.

>

> Mars rules over Majja Dhatu which is the nerves. This is what Sage

Pdrdgara

> states. There is no mention of Vitamins.

>

> No you talked of vitality. With vitality and health two things

will be

> noticeable; increased appetite for food and increased sexual

appetite as

> well. This is known as Virya and is predominated by Venus this

applies to

> both men and women. Venus also rules the Mrityunjaya Mantra and

hence has

> the power to bring back life into people, or raise the dead just as

> Sukracharya did.

>

> Now assume that Mars did indeed rule vitality, then why didnt

Pdrdgara

> mention that Mars can break Bdlariqva Yogas? He only mentioned;

Jupiter,

> Venus and Mercury.

>

> Best wishes,

>

Visti Larsen

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

_____

>

> nameisego [nameisego]

> 12 June 2004 05:17

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: Mars.... is he really karaka for

celebecy ?

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> I read with interest comments made by Sjt. VISTI about Mars which

I

> quote as under,

>

> QUOTE,

>

> "Mars is the natural kdraka for CELIBECY(highlited), as he is a

> warrior and is required not to engage in such affairs, at least

until

> 44 where the warrior can retire."

>

> UNQUOTE

>

> This being has done some work on co-relating astrology with

periodic

> table. And the findings on Mars as the lord of 5th group of the

> Periodic Table are as follows.

>

> MARS A LORD OF 5th GROUP: In periodic table

>

> We know that Mars is the war lord.

> He is a Potent Male. He has a strong body.

> He rules over muscles and Bones. He has red eyes.

> Rules over red colour. Bismuth is a Reddish metal.

> Phosphorous is reddish. Without phosphorous, bones would be

useless.

> Nitrogen belonging to 5th group is the basis of Amino Acids and

> other vital Amino compounds like Vitamins.

>

> Energy is Enclosed in ATP which is a Phospherous compound. Little

> information from Net is as follows,

>

> ATP is Energy!

> For your muscles -- in fact, for every cell in your body -- the

> source of energy that keeps everything going is called ATP.

Adenosine

> triphosphate (ATP) is the biochemical way to store and use energy.

> The entire reaction that turns ATP into energy is a bit

complicated,

> but here is a good summary:

>

> Chemically, ATP is an adenine nucleotide bound to three

phosphates.

> There is a lot of energy stored in the bond between the second and

> third phosphate groups that can be used to fuel chemical

reactions.

> When a cell needs energy, it breaks this bond to form adenosine

> diphosphate (ADP) and a free phosphate molecule.

> In some instances, the second phosphate group can also be broken

to

> form adenosine monophosphate (AMP).

> When the cell has excess energy, it stores this energy by forming

ATP

> from ADP and phosphate.

> ATP is required for the biochemical reactions involved in any

muscle

> contraction. As the work of the muscle increases, more and more

ATP

> gets consumed and must be replaced in order for the muscle to keep

> moving.

> Because ATP is so important, the body has several different

systems

> to create ATP. These systems work together in phases. The

interesting

> thing is that different forms of exercise use different systems,

so a

> sprinter is getting ATP in a completely different way from a

marathon

> runner!

>

> Thus MARS is undisputed lord of Vitality.

> Arsenikom in Greek means POTENT or MALE.

> You will find Arsenic in 5th group.

> Outermost shell of Nitrogen and all the other elements has 3

> electrons.

> Hence Mars is also known as Trikona . This denotes that Power lies

in

> A Triangle.

> This may be the reason for Tantra diagrams being based on Triangles

> This is also why Kartik the commander of Deva's army (Mars) has

> Triangular Vel (LANCE) in his hand.

>

> Coming to original observation by Visti about Mars being Karaka

for

> Celibecy is very new to this being.

>

> Tatvam_Asi

>

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|Hare Räma

Kåñëa|

Dear Arun,

Namaskar

Yes I have

read the song of the Sanyasi, I believe it was in the book on Räjya Yoga

– I also quoted it in an article.

Adding Om in the end is not weakening the mantra, but it is not

necessary either.

Did

Vivekananda and Shivananda explain the use of this rule with mantras, or did

they just write it for others to guess?

As for

celibacy – we must first understand virility. Virility (not vitality) is

a physical condition that enables people to copulate and produce the vital

fluids for producing children. i.e. the main focus is the act of mating and the

result. Now let us look at the natural zodiac;

The natural

zodiac has Aries as the Lagna, hence Mars lords the Lagna and rules the

strength and energy of the human being. This is the Mülatrikoëa of Mars and

hence Gemini, Virgo, Libra, Capricorn and Aquarius become the least-liked signs

for Mars, as well as their lordships.

Now if Mars

does not like the function of Libra, how can he be interested in causing

virility in man?

Infact Mars

lords the 8th house which causes the break of marriage, and the end

of mating. So through what logic can we say that Mars rules virility, when his

main function is to break the marriage and end conjugal life? The foremost of

Martian deities is Hanuman who was a pure celibate – following this

example of the 8th house.

Infact when

there is a mention of Mars being young, it refers to the Brahmacharya

Varnashrama, in which the child is not able to mate in the first place. This is

quoted from the teachings of Sanjay Rath.

Hence in

women’s charts, Mars’ placement also becomes important for seeing

the break of celibacy (Mars) of the man and his turning into a husband –

Jupiter, and then later a father – Sun. This breakage of celibacy is one

of Bagalamba’s forms in Sré Shakti (Laxmi Shakti), but this must not be

confused with Néla Sakti forms, where pure celibacy is the requirement and

goal.

Hope this

clarifies things,

Best wishes,

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13 June 2004 14:51

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re:

Mars.... is he really karaka for celebecy ? To Sjt.Visti Larsen

12.0pt">

Dear Visti Ji,

I have been following this interesting discussion

hoping for the

necter to emerge from this manthan. The poison has

emerged, I hope

we will get necter now.

What you state below regarding encapsulating the

mantra (Samput) is

not a hard and fast rule. Actually, this is one of

the beauties of

Sanatan dharma, the teachings of sages only guide

not force.

Evolved souls like Vivekananda and Shivananda have

used Om TatSat Om

in their writings and teachings. Please read the

poem by

Vivekananda "The Song Of The Sanyasin"

OR the teachings by Sivananda.

with warmest regards,

Arun

vedic astrology,

"Visti @ Denmark"

<visti@s...> wrote:

> |Hare Räma Kåñëa|

>

> Dear Hamsa (one of the aspirations of the

Jeevatma),

>

> Please do not add Om

at the end of that mantra, it is prasiddha

and will not

> harm you.

>

> Om when it

encapsulates a mantra is used to protect one from the

evil

> effects of the same – there are no evil

effects of the

Satyanarayana Mantra.

>

> As for BPHS – I do not assume myself to

be more enlightened than

Päräçara;

> hence I do not stray far from his teachings.

>

> I respect your opinion, but do not abide by

it, as I was taught

how to apply

> the Saptadhatu in charts, hence see no need

of taking on other

ideas.

>

> So please no more sharp and quick answers,

just leave this alone

and

> continue your research.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Visti Larsen

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

> _____

>

> Noname Noname [nameisego]

> 13 June 2004 12:23

> Visti @ Denmark

> Cc: vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] RE: Mars.... is he

really karaka for

celebecy ?

> To Sjt.Visti Larsen

>

> Hello Sjt.Visti Larsen,

>

> It seems that we do not want to look beyond

BPHS .

>

> Om-Tatsat_Om

>

> |Hare Rama Krsna|

>

> Dear Hamsa,

>

> So this is your own/individual study. Go

figure.

>

> Hamsa Om Soham

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Visti Larsen

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

> _____

>

> Noname Noname [nameisego]

> 13 June 2004 07:06

> Visti @ Denmark

> Cc: Re: Mars.... is he really karaka

for celebecy ? To

Sjt.Visti

> Larsen

>

> Hello Visti Larsen,

>

> You are right as far as your understanding

which is based on

Ancient

> scriptures is concerned.

>

> This being also has done some deep work on

Astrology and

formulated some

> path breaking original researches on nodes.

(The research

continues)

>

> Being of scientific inclination, this being

has always relied on

Modern

> scientific approach to solve esoteric

problems and theories.

>

> If you had read carefully, you would have

noticed the corelation

of the

> arguments put forth by this being, with solid

proof citing

Periodic Table

> classifications .

>

> May be you should read complete work on

this issue postulated by

this

> being.

>

> Speaking of rulership of Asthi (Bones),

it goes to Mercury as per

> undersigned's research.

>

> Speaking of Mars as Lord of Vitality, please

understand that by

VITALITY, it

> is meant VIRILITY.

>

> But accepting Mars as lord of celebecy is

rather far fetched idea

for this

> Atman.

>

> As children start producing VIRYA at the age

of 15 or 16 (With

sperms),

> there is no question of Mars helping out in

Balarishta breaking.

>

> This is where only Jupiter, the lord of DHI can help. Also other

natural

> benefics Mercury and Venus can help.You

forgot to mention strong

Moon and

> strong Sun helping to break Balarishta.

>

> Benefics predominate in early life and

Natural malefics

predominate in later

> life.(In terms of success to live and

succeed).

>

> Liberty

is being taken to post this reply with your mail. Hope you

would not

> mind.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> "Visti @ Denmark" <visti@s...>

wrote:

>

> |Hare Rdma Keqka|

>

> Dear Hamsa, Namaskar.

>

> Where did you get these ideas from.

>

> Let me highlight one specific portion; He

rules over muscles and

Bones.

>

> Sun rules over Asthi Dhatu which is bones,

whilst Saturn rules

over Sndyu

> Dhatu which people have agreed is muscles.

>

> Mars rules over Majja Dhatu which is the

nerves. This is what Sage

Pdrdgara

> states. There is no mention of Vitamins.

>

> No you talked of vitality. With vitality and

health two things

will be

> noticeable; increased appetite for food and

increased sexual

appetite as

> well. This is known as Virya and is

predominated by Venus this

applies to

> both men and women. Venus also rules the

Mrityunjaya Mantra and

hence has

> the power to bring back life into people, or

raise the dead just as

> Sukracharya did.

>

> Now assume that Mars did indeed rule

vitality, then why didnt

Pdrdgara

> mention that Mars can break Bdlariqva

Yogas? He only mentioned;

Jupiter,

> Venus and Mercury.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Visti Larsen

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

> _____

>

> nameisego [nameisego]

> 12 June 2004 05:17

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: Mars.... is he

really karaka for

celebecy ?

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> I read with interest comments made by Sjt.

VISTI about Mars which

I

> quote as under,

>

> QUOTE,

>

> "Mars is the natural kdraka for

CELIBECY(highlited), as he is a

> warrior and is required not to engage in such

affairs, at least

until

> 44 where the warrior can retire."

>

> UNQUOTE

>

> This being has done some work on co-relating astrology

with

periodic

> table. And the findings on Mars as the lord

of 5th group of the

> Periodic Table are as follows.

>

> MARS A LORD OF 5th GROUP: In periodic table

>

> We know that Mars is the war lord.

> He is a Potent Male. He has a strong body.

> He rules over muscles and Bones. He has red

eyes.

> Rules over red colour. Bismuth is a Reddish

metal.

> Phosphorous is reddish. Without phosphorous,

bones would be

useless.

> Nitrogen belonging to 5th group is the

basis of Amino Acids and

> other vital Amino compounds like

Vitamins.

>

> Energy is Enclosed in ATP which is a

Phospherous compound. Little

> information from Net is as follows,

>

> ATP is Energy!

> For your muscles -- in fact, for every cell

in your body -- the

> source of energy that keeps everything going

is called ATP.

Adenosine

> triphosphate (ATP) is the biochemical way to

store and use energy.

> The entire reaction that turns ATP into

energy is a bit

complicated,

> but here is a good summary:

>

> Chemically, ATP is an adenine nucleotide

bound to three

phosphates.

> There is a lot of energy stored in the bond

between the second and

> third phosphate groups that can be used to

fuel chemical

reactions.

> When a cell needs energy, it breaks this bond

to form adenosine

> diphosphate (ADP)

and a free phosphate molecule.

> In some instances, the second phosphate group

can also be broken

to

> form adenosine monophosphate (AMP).

> When the cell has excess energy, it stores

this energy by forming

ATP

> from ADP

and phosphate.

> ATP is required for the biochemical reactions

involved in any

muscle

> contraction. As the work of the muscle

increases, more and more

ATP

> gets consumed and must be replaced in order

for the muscle to keep

> moving.

> Because ATP is so important, the body has

several different

systems

> to create ATP. These systems work together in

phases. The

interesting

> thing is that different forms of exercise use

different systems,

so a

> sprinter is getting ATP in a completely

different way from a

marathon

> runner!

>

> Thus MARS is undisputed lord of Vitality.

> Arsenikom in Greek means POTENT or MALE.

> You will find Arsenic in 5th group.

> Outermost shell of Nitrogen and all the other

elements has 3

> electrons.

> Hence Mars is also known as Trikona . This

denotes that Power lies

in

> A Triangle.

> This may be the reason for Tantra diagrams

being based on Triangles

> This is also why Kartik the commander

of Deva's army (Mars) has

> Triangular Vel (LANCE) in his hand.

>

> Coming to original observation by Visti about

Mars being Karaka

for

> Celibecy is very new to this being.

>

> Tatvam_Asi

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June 14, 2004

Dear Noname

What is beyond BPHS?, can you quote me a source superior to it?

best wishes

partha

vedic astrology, Noname Noname

<nameisego> wrote:

> Hello Sjt.Visti Larsen,

>

> It seems that we do not want to look beyond BPHS .

>

> Om-Tatsat_Om

>

> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}

w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}

st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }

> |Hare Rama Krsna|

>

> Dear Hamsa,

>

> So this is your own/individual study. Go figure.

>

> Hamsa Om Soham

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Visti Larsen

> visti@s...

>

> Noname Noname [nameisego]

> 13 June 2004 07:06

> Visti @ Denmark

> Cc: Re: Mars.... is he really karaka for celebecy ? To

Sjt.Visti Larsen

>

> Hello Visti Larsen,

>

> You are right as far as your understanding which is based on

Ancient scriptures is concerned.

>

> This being also has done some deep work on Astrology and formulated

some path breaking original researches on nodes. (The research

continues)

>

> Being of scientific inclination, this being has always relied on

Modern scientific approach to solve esoteric problems and theories.

>

> If you had read carefully, you would have noticed the corelation of

the arguments put forth by this being, with solid proof citing

Periodic Table classifications .

>

> May be you should read complete work on this issue postulated by

this being.

>

> Speaking of rulership of Asthi (Bones), it goes to Mercury as per

undersigned's research.

>

> Speaking of Mars as Lord of Vitality, please understand that by

VITALITY, it is meant VIRILITY.

>

> But accepting Mars as lord of celebecy is rather far fetched idea

for this Atman.

>

As children start producing VIRYA at the age of 15 or 16 (With

sperms), there is no question of Mars helping out in Balarishta

breaking.

>

> This is where only Jupiter, the lord of DHI can help. Also other

natural benefics Mercury and Venus can help.You forgot to mention

strong Moon and strong Sun helping to break Balarishta.

>

> Benefics predominate in early life and Natural malefics predominate

in later life.(In terms of success to live and succeed).

>

> Liberty is being taken to post this reply with your mail. Hope you

would not mind.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> "Visti @ Denmark" <visti@s...> wrote:

>

> |Hare Rdma Keqka|

>

> Dear Hamsa, Namaskar.

>

> Where did you get these ideas from.

>

> Let me highlight one specific portion; He rules over muscles and

Bones.

>

> Sun rules over Asthi Dhatu which is bones, whilst Saturn rules over

Sndyu Dhatu which people have agreed is muscles.

>

> Mars rules over Majja Dhatu which is the nerves. This is what Sage

Pdrdgara states. There is no mention of Vitamins.

>

> No you talked of vitality. With vitality and health two things will

be noticeable; increased appetite for food and increased sexual

appetite as well. This is known as Virya and is predominated by

Venus this applies to both men and women. Venus also rules the

Mrityunjaya Mantra and hence has the power to bring back life into

people, or raise the dead just as Sukracharya did.

>

> Now assume that Mars did indeed rule vitality, then why didnt

Pdrdgara mention that Mars can break Bdlariqva Yogas? He only

mentioned; Jupiter, Venus and Mercury.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Visti Larsen

> visti@s...

>

> nameisego [nameisego]

> 12 June 2004 05:17

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: Mars.... is he really karaka for

celebecy ?

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> I read with interest comments made by Sjt. VISTI about Mars which I

> quote as under,

>

> QUOTE,

>

> "Mars is the natural kdraka for CELIBECY(highlited), as he is a

> warrior and is required not to engage in such affairs, at least

until

> 44 where the warrior can retire."

>

> UNQUOTE

>

> This being has done some work on co-relating astrology with

periodic

> table. And the findings on Mars as the lord of 5th group of the

> Periodic Table are as follows.

>

> MARS A LORD OF 5th GROUP: In periodic table

>

> We know that Mars is the war lord.

> He is a Potent Male. He has a strong body.

> He rules over muscles and Bones. He has red eyes.

> Rules over red colour. Bismuth is a Reddish metal.

> Phosphorous is reddish. Without phosphorous, bones would be

useless.

> Nitrogen belonging to 5th group is the basis of Amino Acids and

> other vital Amino compounds like Vitamins.

>

> Energy is Enclosed in ATP which is a Phospherous compound. Little

> information from Net is as follows,

>

> ATP is Energy!

> For your muscles -- in fact, for every cell in your body -- the

> source of energy that keeps everything going is called ATP.

Adenosine

> triphosphate (ATP) is the biochemical way to store and use energy.

> The entire reaction that turns ATP into energy is a bit

complicated,

> but here is a good summary:

>

> Chemically, ATP is an adenine nucleotide bound to three phosphates.

> There is a lot of energy stored in the bond between the second and

> third phosphate groups that can be used to fuel chemical reactions.

> When a cell needs energy, it breaks this bond to form adenosine

> diphosphate (ADP) and a free phosphate molecule.

> In some instances, the second phosphate group can also be broken to

> form adenosine monophosphate (AMP).

> When the cell has excess energy, it stores this energy by forming

ATP

> from ADP and phosphate.

> ATP is required for the biochemical reactions involved in any

muscle

> contraction. As the work of the muscle increases, more and more ATP

> gets consumed and must be replaced in order for the muscle to keep

> moving.

> Because ATP is so important, the body has several different systems

> to create ATP. These systems work together in phases. The

interesting

> thing is that different forms of exercise use different systems, so

a

> sprinter is getting ATP in a completely different way from a

marathon

> runner!

>

> Thus MARS is undisputed lord of Vitality.

> Arsenikom in Greek means POTENT or MALE.

> You will find Arsenic in 5th group.

> Outermost shell of Nitrogen and all the other elements has 3

> electrons.

> Hence Mars is also known as Trikona . This denotes that Power lies

in

> A Triangle.

> This may be the reason for Tantra diagrams being based on Triangles

> This is also why Kartik the commander of Deva's army (Mars) has

> Triangular Vel (LANCE) in his hand.

>

> Coming to original observation by Visti about Mars being Karaka for

> Celibecy is very new to this being.

>

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>

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June 14, 2004

Dear Visti,

Lord Muruga who rules over Mars, is not a celebate. I understand that

Vaishnavites use Hanuman as significator of Mars. However extrapolating

from that association of Hanuman to say that Mars is significator of

celebacy may not be correct.

Your argument will have validity if you can quote some _direct_

references from BPHS and other classics which many agree upon.

Extrapolating things from thin arguments is unconvincing. Afterall, taking =

Mars for virility (in men's chart) works in practise!

regards,

-Siva.

vedic astrology, "Visti @ Denmark" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> |Hare Räma Kåñëa|

>

> Dear Arun, Namaskar

>

> Yes I have read the song of the Sanyasi, I believe it was in the book on

> Räjya Yoga – I also quoted it in an article.

>

> Adding Om in the end is not weakening the mantra, but it is not necessary=

> either.

>

> Did Vivekananda and Shivananda explain the use of this rule with mantras,=

or

> did they just write it for others to guess?

>

> As for celibacy – we must first understand virility. Virility (not

vitality)

> is a physical condition that enables people to copulate and produce the

> vital fluids for producing children. i.e. the main focus is the act of

> mating and the result. Now let us look at the natural zodiac;

>

> The natural zodiac has Aries as the Lagna, hence Mars lords the Lagna and=

> rules the strength and energy of the human being. This is the

Mülatrikoëa of

> Mars and hence Gemini, Virgo, Libra, Capricorn and Aquarius become the

> least-liked signs for Mars, as well as their lordships.

>

> Now if Mars does not like the function of Libra, how can he be interested=

in

> causing virility in man?

>

> Infact Mars lords the 8th house which causes the break of marriage, and

the

> end of mating. So through what logic can we say that Mars rules virility,=

> when his main function is to break the marriage and end conjugal life? Th=

e

> foremost of Martian deities is Hanuman who was a pure celibate – followin=

g

> this example of the 8th house.

>

> Infact when there is a mention of Mars being young, it refers to the

> Brahmacharya Varnashrama, in which the child is not able to mate in the

> first place. This is quoted from the teachings of Sanjay Rath.

>

> Hence in women's charts, Mars' placement also becomes important for seein=

g

> the break of celibacy (Mars) of the man and his turning into a husband –

> Jupiter, and then later a father – Sun. This breakage of celibacy is one =

of

> Bagalamba's forms in Sré Shakti (Laxmi Shakti), but this must not be

> confused with Néla Sakti forms, where pure celibacy is the requirement

and

> goal.

>

> Hope this clarifies things,

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Visti Larsen

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

_____

>

> asharm_ind [asharm_ind]

> 13 June 2004 14:51

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: Mars.... is he really karaka for celebecy =

?

> To Sjt.Visti Larsen

>

> Dear Visti Ji,

>

> I have been following this interesting discussion hoping for the

> necter to emerge from this manthan. The poison has emerged, I hope

> we will get necter now.

>

> What you state below regarding encapsulating the mantra (Samput) is

> not a hard and fast rule. Actually, this is one of the beauties of

> Sanatan dharma, the teachings of sages only guide not force.

>

> Evolved souls like Vivekananda and Shivananda have used Om TatSat Om

> in their writings and teachings. Please read the poem by

> Vivekananda "The Song Of The Sanyasin" OR the teachings by Sivananda.

>

> with warmest regards,

> Arun

>

> vedic astrology, "Visti @ Denmark"

> <visti@s...> wrote:

> > |Hare Räma Kåñëa|

> >

> > Dear Hamsa (one of the aspirations of the Jeevatma),

> >

> > Please do not add Om at the end of that mantra, it is prasiddha

> and will not

> > harm you.

> >

> > Om when it encapsulates a mantra is used to protect one from the

> evil

> > effects of the same – there are no evil effects of the

> Satyanarayana Mantra.

> >

> > As for BPHS – I do not assume myself to be more enlightened than

> Päräçara;

> > hence I do not stray far from his teachings.

> >

> > I respect your opinion, but do not abide by it, as I was taught

> how to apply

> > the Saptadhatu in charts, hence see no need of taking on other

> ideas.

> >

> > So please no more sharp and quick answers, just leave this alone

> and

> > continue your research.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> > <visti@s...> visti@s...

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Noname Noname [nameisego]

> > 13 June 2004 12:23

> > Visti @ Denmark

> > Cc: vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] RE: Mars.... is he really karaka for

> celebecy ?

> > To Sjt.Visti Larsen

> >

> > Hello Sjt.Visti Larsen,

> >

> > It seems that we do not want to look beyond BPHS .

> >

> > Om-Tatsat_Om

> >

> > |Hare Rama Krsna|

> >

> > Dear Hamsa,

> >

> > So this is your own/individual study. Go figure.

> >

> > Hamsa Om Soham

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> > <visti@s...> visti@s...

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Noname Noname [nameisego]

> > 13 June 2004 07:06

> > Visti @ Denmark

> > Cc: Re: Mars.... is he really karaka for celebecy ? To

> Sjt.Visti

> > Larsen

> >

> > Hello Visti Larsen,

> >

> > You are right as far as your understanding which is based on

> Ancient

> > scriptures is concerned.

> >

> > This being also has done some deep work on Astrology and

> formulated some

> > path breaking original researches on nodes. (The research

> continues)

> >

> > Being of scientific inclination, this being has always relied on

> Modern

> > scientific approach to solve esoteric problems and theories.

> >

> > If you had read carefully, you would have noticed the corelation

> of the

> > arguments put forth by this being, with solid proof citing

> Periodic Table

> > classifications .

> >

> > May be you should read complete work on this issue postulated by

> this

> > being.

> >

> > Speaking of rulership of Asthi (Bones), it goes to Mercury as per

> > undersigned's research.

> >

> > Speaking of Mars as Lord of Vitality, please understand that by

> VITALITY, it

> > is meant VIRILITY.

> >

> > But accepting Mars as lord of celebecy is rather far fetched idea

> for this

> > Atman.

> >

> > As children start producing VIRYA at the age of 15 or 16 (With

> sperms),

> > there is no question of Mars helping out in Balarishta breaking.

> >

> > This is where only Jupiter, the lord of DHI can help. Also other

> natural

> > benefics Mercury and Venus can help.You forgot to mention strong

> Moon and

> > strong Sun helping to break Balarishta.

> >

> > Benefics predominate in early life and Natural malefics

> predominate in later

> > life.(In terms of success to live and succeed).

> >

> > Liberty is being taken to post this reply with your mail. Hope you

> would not

> > mind.

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > "Visti @ Denmark" <visti@s...> wrote:

> >

> > |Hare Rdma Keqka|

> >

> > Dear Hamsa, Namaskar.

> >

> > Where did you get these ideas from.

> >

> > Let me highlight one specific portion; He rules over muscles and

> Bones.

> >

> > Sun rules over Asthi Dhatu which is bones, whilst Saturn rules

> over Sndyu

> > Dhatu which people have agreed is muscles.

> >

> > Mars rules over Majja Dhatu which is the nerves. This is what Sage

> Pdrdgara

> > states. There is no mention of Vitamins.

> >

> > No you talked of vitality. With vitality and health two things

> will be

> > noticeable; increased appetite for food and increased sexual

> appetite as

> > well. This is known as Virya and is predominated by Venus this

> applies to

> > both men and women. Venus also rules the Mrityunjaya Mantra and

> hence has

> > the power to bring back life into people, or raise the dead just as

> > Sukracharya did.

> >

> > Now assume that Mars did indeed rule vitality, then why didnt

> Pdrdgara

> > mention that Mars can break Bdlariqva Yogas? He only mentioned;

> Jupiter,

> > Venus and Mercury.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> > <visti@s...> visti@s...

> >

> > _____

> >

> > nameisego [nameisego]

> > 12 June 2004 05:17

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Mars.... is he really karaka for

> celebecy ?

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > I read with interest comments made by Sjt. VISTI about Mars which

> I

> > quote as under,

> >

> > QUOTE,

> >

> > "Mars is the natural kdraka for CELIBECY(highlited), as he is a

> > warrior and is required not to engage in such affairs, at least

> until

> > 44 where the warrior can retire."

> >

> > UNQUOTE

> >

> > This being has done some work on co-relating astrology with

> periodic

> > table. And the findings on Mars as the lord of 5th group of the

> > Periodic Table are as follows.

> >

> > MARS A LORD OF 5th GROUP: In periodic table

> >

> > We know that Mars is the war lord.

> > He is a Potent Male. He has a strong body.

> > He rules over muscles and Bones. He has red eyes.

> > Rules over red colour. Bismuth is a Reddish metal.

> > Phosphorous is reddish. Without phosphorous, bones would be

> useless.

> > Nitrogen belonging to 5th group is the basis of Amino Acids and

> > other vital Amino compounds like Vitamins.

> >

> > Energy is Enclosed in ATP which is a Phospherous compound. Little

> > information from Net is as follows,

> >

> > ATP is Energy!

> > For your muscles -- in fact, for every cell in your body -- the

> > source of energy that keeps everything going is called ATP.

> Adenosine

> > triphosphate (ATP) is the biochemical way to store and use energy.

> > The entire reaction that turns ATP into energy is a bit

> complicated,

> > but here is a good summary:

> >

> > Chemically, ATP is an adenine nucleotide bound to three

> phosphates.

> > There is a lot of energy stored in the bond between the second and

> > third phosphate groups that can be used to fuel chemical

> reactions.

> > When a cell needs energy, it breaks this bond to form adenosine

> > diphosphate (ADP) and a free phosphate molecule.

> > In some instances, the second phosphate group can also be broken

> to

> > form adenosine monophosphate (AMP).

> > When the cell has excess energy, it stores this energy by forming

> ATP

> > from ADP and phosphate.

> > ATP is required for the biochemical reactions involved in any

> muscle

> > contraction. As the work of the muscle increases, more and more

> ATP

> > gets consumed and must be replaced in order for the muscle to keep

> > moving.

> > Because ATP is so important, the body has several different

> systems

> > to create ATP. These systems work together in phases. The

> interesting

> > thing is that different forms of exercise use different systems,

> so a

> > sprinter is getting ATP in a completely different way from a

> marathon

> > runner!

> >

> > Thus MARS is undisputed lord of Vitality.

> > Arsenikom in Greek means POTENT or MALE.

> > You will find Arsenic in 5th group.

> > Outermost shell of Nitrogen and all the other elements has 3

> > electrons.

> > Hence Mars is also known as Trikona . This denotes that Power lies

> in

> > A Triangle.

> > This may be the reason for Tantra diagrams being based on Triangles

> > This is also why Kartik the commander of Deva's army (Mars) has

> > Triangular Vel (LANCE) in his hand.

> >

> > Coming to original observation by Visti about Mars being Karaka

> for

> > Celibecy is very new to this being.

> >

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|Hare Räma

Kåñëa|

Dear Siva,

I find that

people tend to think that this is my idea and that I need to prove it. However

the founder of SJC has said it himself;

- Quote -

Venus (ruling semen)

shows sexuality and physical beauty whereas Mars shows the destruction of semen

/preservation and indicates Brahmacharya[4] thus Mars

causes the first error (dosha) on the significator of natural procreation.

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-Unquote

–

Reference; http://srath.com/lectures/marriage.htm

I also

explained in the mail with my thin arguments, that Mars should be seen for the

breakage of Brahmacarya-hood, to see when the celibacy ends and the boy becomes

a husband.

Best wishes,

bold">Visti Larsen

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June 15, 2004

Hare Krishna

Dear Visti-

Keep up with the great informative posts.!One other thing i heard

Sanjay say is that the real reason for basis of Kuja dosa is Mars

ownership of the sign scorpio/ thus when a women has Venus in

scorpio,she ends up suffering from some sort of violence/harm in a

relationship/

Also, our spiritual master usd to say that the mind is always

desiring,and thus it is hard to just stop the mind, and ultimately

the body from desiring...however if there is a greater desire(to

serve God , or guru) in otherwords the natural tendancy is dovetailed.

FOr example when a person is in love all they can think about is the

beloved, and all they want to do is serve the beloved.On the highest

level when one has all his senses engaged in serving the Lord or his

representative he is really renounced.Otherwise,it is nearly

impossible to just "control" ones senses for any length of time

(unless we are great yogis)otherwise the mind can become perverted

etc.

Now the cool thing about varnashram system, is as boys the learn

bramacharya, then they get married and got htrough all the trials and

tribulations of begetting children, working like a dog, to take care

of them,then after successfully following that through.He is ready

for renouncing it all.

It is much easier to renounce something after you have a bad taste in

your mouth for it...or you decide it is too much trouble and not

worth it.Tie it in with a "higher taste" for devotional service and

it is easily overcome.

You made a good point and yes Sanjay pointed that out unless soemone

has energy they cant mate, so it requires energy and vitality/

Also the quote, if Mars and Venus have soem association then the

person is virile till the end of life ties in with what you said in

your posts.Regarding vitality/virility

one funny thing is the drug companies have cleverly named the new

drug "Viagra" as a spoof on the word "Viragya" -did i spell it right?

Take Care,

Lakshmi Kary

vedic astrology, "Visti @ Denmark"

<visti@s...> wrote:

> |Hare Rama Krsna|

> Dear Chandrashekhar and Zoran,

> Soma, Shukracharya, Shiva, Brhaspati, Ganesa, all kept celibacy by

choice in

> their Sadhanas. So that logic isn't working. - Even shukracharya

kept

> celibacy - by choice!

>

> In the story of Subramanya, the focal point is that his marriage

was denied

> - Kuja Dosha - otherwise he kept celibacy by choice as well during

his

> sadhana.

>

> Hence this denial of conjugal life is the focal point.

>

> For males the 4 Varnashramas are as follows;

> Brahmacarya - Mars

> Grharsta Jupiter

> Varnaprasta Sun

> Sanyasa Rähu

> Source; Guruji's teachings - I believe he presented this in Puri as

well.

>

> Hence whenever Mars is involved with the houses of marriage a

conflict

> arises, because the Grharsta Varnashrama requires sex, which the

Brahmacarya

> Varnashrama doesn't involve, and incase of vows - doesn't allow.

This

> conflict is known as Kuja Dosha.

>

> When we talk of celibacy as a vow or choice, then we are referring

to the

> act of renouncing Venus, not the addition of Martian traits.

> If you were under the impression that Mars makes one choose

celibacy, then

> you have misunderstood what I was trying to say.

> 6th lord in 5th or 9th makes one pray to celibate forms of God and

hence

> also pray for celibacy - whether consciously or not.

> Mars merely rules the age when there is celibacy, and that's why the

> conflict arises.

>

> Hope this helps,

> Best wishes,

> Visti Larsen

> visti@s...

>

> Chandrashekhar [boxdel]

> 15 June 2004 07:39

> Zoran Radosavljevic

> Cc: vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Mars.... is he really karaka for

celebecy

> ? To Sjt.Visti Larsen

>

> Dear Zoran,

> I am glad you agree that Mars has nothing to do with celibacy by

choice.

> Celibacy at least in Puranaic context is always reffered to when by

> choice. This is logical too, otherwise all below may be 12 and

above 80

> would be eulogised as the great Celibates. Another nice point you

have

> made is about Mars's sign is an excellent observation. Their

elements

> are anyway inimical to each other. It is also interesting to note

that

> Mars gets exaltation in Saturn's Rasi who is yoga Karaka for

Venusian

> signs. This is the reason Mars and Venus being opposite attract.

Mars

> also represents Dambha and celibacy by choice is certainly not his

domain.

> By the way, I am certain you have received my personal mail.

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Zoran Radosavljevic wrote:

>

> > Om Namo Narayanaya,

> > Dear Chandrashekar,

> > Remember the story from Shiv Puran, when Lord Shiva wanted to get

his

> > son Subramanya and Ganesha married. Ganesha outwitted Subramanya

and

> > made 3 circles around him, and was to first one to marry. Thus

Ketu,

> > lorded by Shri Ganesh, is a real karaka for Kuladevata and

Upapada

> > signifying marriage. On the other hand, Subramanya got so angry

that

> > he went to the mountains to practice tapas and did not even wish

to

> > see his parents. So Mars, ruled by Subramanya, is not a bechelor

by

> > choice, but due to his angry and rash temper. Remember that Mars

rules

> > marak houses from venus signs.

> > I hope that it helps.

> > Zoran

> >

> > Chandrashekhar wrote:

> >

> >>Dear Visti,

> >>I think Parashara says Mars is fickle minded (3.25), has Tamas as

> >>prakriti(3.22) and Aries Rasi is with rajo Guna. Again deity is

> >>Kartikeya also known as Muruga and he is certainly not a

Brahmachari.

> >>Again second sign of Mars Scorpio represents sexual organs. So

check up

> >>whether Mars has really to do anything with state of celibacy.

Celibacy,

> >>by choice, certainly requires a lot of control over mind,

certainly not

> >>the quality attributed to the warrior Mars. Per Parashara Venus

is sama

> >>for Mars so why should he dislike Venus (if you mean that by

referring

> >>to Libra)? Please also refer to Shloka 7, adhyaaya of BPHS.

Parashara

> >>certainly does not say that Mars in 7th leads to celibacy in that

> >>shloka. Please correct me if I am wrong.

> >>Regards,

> >>Chandrashekhar.

> >>

> >>Visti @ Denmark wrote:

> >>

> >>>|Hare Räma Kåñëa|

> >>>

> >>>Dear Arun, Namaskar

> >>>

> >>>Yes I have read the song of the Sanyasi, I believe it was in the

book

> >>>on Räjya Yoga – I also quoted it in an article.

> >>>

> >>>Adding Om in the end is not weakening the mantra, but it is not

> >>>necessary either.

> >>>

> >>>Did Vivekananda and Shivananda explain the use of this rule with

> >>>mantras, or did they just write it for others to guess?

> >>>

> >>>As for celibacy – we must first understand virility. Virility

(not

> >>>vitality) is a physical condition that enables people to

copulate and

> >>>produce the vital fluids for producing children. i.e. the main

focus

> >>>is the act of mating and the result. Now let us look at the

natural

> >>>zodiac;

> >>>

> >>>The natural zodiac has Aries as the Lagna, hence Mars lords the

Lagna

> >>>and rules the strength and energy of the human being. This is

the

> >>>Mülatrikoëa of Mars and hence Gemini, Virgo, Libra, Capricorn

and

> >>>Aquarius become the least-liked signs for Mars,

> >>> as well as their

> >>>lordships.

> >>>

> >>>Now if Mars does not like the function of Libra, how can he be

> >>>interested in causing virility in man?

> >>>

> >>>Infact Mars lords the 8^th house which causes the break of

marriage,

> >>>and the end of mating. So through what logic can we say that

Mars

> >>>rules virility, when his main function is to break the marriage

and

> >>>end conjugal life? The foremost of Martian deities is Hanuman

who was

> >>>a pure celibate – following this example of the 8^th house.

> >>>

> >>>Infact when there is a mention of Mars being young, it refers to

the

> >>>Brahmacharya Varnashrama, in which the child is not able to mate

in

> >>>the first place. This is quoted from the teachings of Sanjay

Rath.

> >>>

> >>>Hence in women's charts, Mars' placement also becomes important

for

> >>>seeing the break of celibacy (Mars) of the man and his turning

into a

> >>>husband – Jupiter, and then later a father – Sun. This breakage

of

> >>>celibacy is one of Bagalamba's forms in Sré S

> >>>hakti (Laxmi Shakti), but

> >>>this must not be confused with Néla Sakti forms, where pure

celibacy

> >>>is the requirement and goal.

> >>>

> >>>Hope this clarifies things,

> >>>

> >>>Best wishes,

> >>>

> >>>*Visti Larsen*

> >>>visti@s... <visti@s...>

> >>>

> >>>--------------------------------

-------

> >>>

> >>>** asharm_ind [asharm_ind]

> >>>*Sent:* 13 June 2004 14:51

> >>>*To:* vedic astrology

> >>>*Subject:* [vedic astrology] Re: Mars.... is he really karaka

for

> >>>celebecy ? To Sjt.Visti Larsen

> >>>

> >>>Dear Visti Ji,

> >>>

> >>>I have been following this interesting discussion hoping fo

> >>>r the

> >>>necter to emerge from this manthan. The poison has emerged, I

hope

> >>>we will get necter now.

> >>>

> >>>What you state below regarding encapsulating the mantra (Samput)

is

> >>>not a hard and fast rule. Actually, this is one of the beauties

of

> >>>Sanatan dharma, the teachings of sages only guide not force.

> >>>

> >>>Evolved souls like Vivekananda and Shivananda have used Om

TatSat Om

> >>>in their writings and teachings. Please read the poem by

> >>>Vivekananda "The Song Of The Sanyasin" OR the teachings by

Sivananda.

> >>>

> >>>with warmest regards,

> >>>Arun

> >>>

> >>>vedic astrology, "Visti @ Denmark"

> >>><visti@s...> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>>|Hare Räma Kåñëa|

> >>>>

> >>>>Dear Hamsa (one of the aspirations of the Jeevatma),

> >>>>

> >>>>Please do not add Om at the end of that mantra, it is prasiddha

> >>>>

> >>>and will not

> >>>

> >>>>harm you.

> >>>>

> >>>>Om when it encapsulates a mantra is used to protect one from the

> >>>>

> >>>evil

> >>>

> >>>>effects of the same – there are no evil effects of the

> >>>>

> >>>Satyanarayana Mantra.

> >>>

> >>>>As for BPHS – I do not assume myself to be more enlightened than

> >>>>

> >>>Päräçara;

> >>>

> >>>>hence I do not stray far from his teachings.

> >>>>

> >>>>I respect your opinion, but do not abide by it, as I was taught

> >>>>

> >>>how to apply

> >>>

> >>>>the Saptadhatu in charts, hence see no need of taking on other

> >>>>

> >>>ideas.

> >>>

> >>>>So please no more sharp and quick answers, just leave this alone

> >>>>

> >>>and

> >>>

> >>>>continue your research.

> >>>>

> >>>>Best wishes,

> >>>>

> >>>>Visti Larsen

> >>>><visti@s...> visti@s....

> >>>>

> >>>>_____

> >>>>

> >>>>Noname Noname [nameisego.]

> >>>>13 June 2004 12:23

> >>>>Visti @ Denmark

> >>>>Cc: vedic astrology

> >>>>[vedic astrology] RE: Mars.... is he really karaka for

> >>>>

> >>>celebecy ?

> >>>

> >>>>To Sjt.Visti Larsen

> >>>>

> >>>>Hello Sjt.Visti Larsen,

> >>>>

> >>>>It seems that we do not want to look beyond BPHS .

> >>>>

> >>>>Om-Tatsat_Om

> >>>>

> >>>>|Hare Rama Krsna|

> >>>>

> >>>>Dear Hamsa,

> >>>>

> >>>>So this is your own/individual study. Go figure.

> >>>>

> >>>>Hamsa Om Soham

> >>>>

> >>>>Best wishes,

> >>>>

> >>>>Visti Larsen

> >>>><visti@s...> visti@s....

> >>>>

> >>>>_____

> >>>>

> >>>>Noname Noname [nameisego.]

> >>>>13 June 2004 07:06

> >>>>Visti @ Denmark

> >>>>Cc: Re: Mars.... is he really karaka for celebecy ? To

> >>>>

> >>>Sjt.Visti

> >>>

> >>>>Larsen

> >>>>

> >>>>Hello Visti Larsen,

> >>>>

> >>>>You are right as far as your understanding which is based on

> >>>>

> >>>Ancient

> >>>

> >>>>scriptures is concerned.

> >>>>

> >>>>This being also has done some deep work on Astrology and

> >>>>

> >>>formulated some

> >>>

> >>>>path breaking original researches on nodes. (The research

> >>>>

> >>>continues)

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>>Being of scientific inclination, this being has always relied on

> >>>>

> >>>Modern

> >>>

> >>>>scientific approach to solve esoteric problems and theories.

> >>>>

> >>>>If you had read carefully, you would have noticed the corelation

> >>>>

> >>>of the

> >>>

> >>>>arguments put forth by this being, with solid proof citing

> >>>>

> >>>Periodic Table

> >>>

> >>>>classifications .

> >>>>

> >>>>May be you should read complete work on this issue postulated by

> >>>>

> >>>this

> >>>

> >>>>being.

> >>>>

> >>>>Speaking of rulership of Asthi (Bones), it goes to Mercury as

per

> >>>>undersigned's research.

> >>>>

> >>>>Speaking of Mars as Lord of Vitality, please understand that by

> >>>>

> >>>VITALITY, it

> >>>

> >>>>is meant VIRILITY.

> >>>>

> >>>>But accepting Mars as lord of celebecy is rather far fetched

idea

> >>>>

> >>>for this

> >>>

> >>>>Atman.

> >>>>

> >>>>As children start producing VIRYA at the age of 15 or 16 (With

> >>>>

> >>>sperms),

> >>>

> >>>>there is no question of Mars helping out in Balarishta breaking.

> >>>>

> >>>>This is where only Jupiter, the lord of DHI can help. Also other

> >>>>

> >>>natural

> >>>

> >>>>benefics Mercury and Venus can help.You forgot to mention strong

> >>>>

> >>>Moon and

> >>>

> >>>>strong Sun helping to break Balarishta.

> >>>>

> >>>>Benefics predominate in early life and Natural malefics

> >>>>

> >>>predominate in later

> >>>

> >>>>life.(In terms of success to live and succeed).

> >>>>

> >>>>Liberty is being taken to post this reply with your mail. Hope

you

> >>>>

> >>>would not

> >>>

> >>>>mind.

> >>>>

> >>>>Tatvam-Asi

> >>>>

> >>>>"Visti @ Denmark" <visti@s...> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>|Hare Rdma Keqka|

> >>>>

> >>>>Dear Hamsa, Namaskar.

> >>>>

> >>>>Where did you get these ideas from.

> >>>>

> >>>>Let me highlight one specific portion; He rules over muscles and

> >>>>

> >>>Bones.

> >>>

> >>>>Sun rules over Asthi Dhatu which is bones, whilst Saturn rules

> >>>>

> >>>over Sndyu

> >>>

> >>>>Dhatu which people have agreed is muscles.

> >>>>

> >>>>Mars rules over Majja Dhatu which is the nerves. This is what

Sage

> >>>>

> >>>Pdrdgara

> >>>

> >>>>states. There is no mention of Vitamins..

> >>>>

> >>>>No you talked of vitality. With vitality and health two things

> >>>>

> >>>will be

> >>>

> >>>>noticeable; increased appetite for food and increased sexual

> >>>>

> >>>appetite as

> >>>

> >>>>well. This is known as Virya and is predominated by Venus this

> >>>>

> >>>applies to

> >>>

> >>>>both men and women. Venus also rules the Mrityunjaya Mantra and

> >>>>

> >>>hence has

> >>>

> >>>>the power to bring back life into people, or raise the dead

just as

> >>>>Sukracharya did.

> >>>>

> >>>>Now assume that Mars did indeed rule vitality, then why didnt

> >>>>

> >>>Pdrdgara

> >>>

> >>>>mention that Mars can break Bdlariqva Yogas? He only mentioned;

> >>>>

> >>>Jupiter,

> >>>

> >>>>Venus and Mercury.

> >>>>

> >>>>Best wishes,

> >>>>

> >>>>Visti Larsen

> >>>><visti@s...> visti@s....

> >>>>

> >>>>_____

> >>>>

> >>>>nameisego [nameisego]

> >>>>12 June 2004 05:17

> >>>>vedic astrology

> >>>>[vedic astrology] Re: Mars.... is he really karaka for

> >>>>

> >>>celebecy ?

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>>Dear Friends,

> >>>>

> >>>>I read with interest comments made by Sjt. VISTI about Mars

which

> >>>>

> >>>I

> >>>

> >>>>quote as under,

> >>>>

> >>>>QUOTE,

> >>>>

> >>>>"Mars is the natural kdraka for CELIBECY(highlited), as he is a

> >>>>warrior and is required not to engage in such affairs, at least

> >>>>

> >>>until

> >>>

> >>>>44 where the warrior can retire."

> >>>>

> >>>>UNQUOTE

> >>>>

> >>>>This being has done some work on co-relating astrology with

> >>>>

> >>>periodic

> >>>

> >>>>table. And the findings on Mars as the lord of 5th group of the

> >>>>Periodic Table are as follows.

> >>>>

> >>>>MARS A LORD OF 5th GROUP: In periodic table

> >>>>

> >>>>We know that Mars is the war lord.

> >>>>He is a Potent Male. He has a strong body.

> >>>>He rules over muscles and Bones. He has red eyes.

> >>>>Rules over red colour. Bismuth is a Reddish metal.

> >>>>Phosphorous is reddish. Without phosphorous, bones would be

> >>>>

> >>>useless.

> >>>

> >>>>Nitrogen belonging to 5th group is the basis of Amino Acids and

> >>>>other vital Amino compounds like Vitamins.

> >>>>

> >>>>Energy is Enclosed in ATP which is a Phospherous compound.

Little

> >>>>information from Net is as follows,

> >>>>

> >>>>ATP is Energy!

> >>>>For your muscles -- in fact, for every cell in your body -- the

> >>>>source of energy that keeps everything going is called ATP.

> >>>>

> >>>Adenosine

> >>>

> >>>>triphosphate (ATP) is the biochemical way to store and use

energy.

> >>>>The entire reaction that turns ATP into energy is a bit

> >>>>

> >>>complicated,

> >>>

> >>>>but here is a good summary:

> >>>>

> >>>>Chemically, ATP is an adenine nucleotide bound to three

> >>>>

> >>>phosphates.

> >>>

> >>>>There is a lot of energy stored in the bond between the second

and

> >>>>third phosphate groups that can be used to fuel chemical

> >>>>

> >>>reactions.

> >>>

> >>>>When a cell needs energy, it breaks this bond to form adenosine

> >>>>diphosphate (ADP) and a free phosphate molecule.

> >>>>In some instances, the second phosphate group can also be broken

> >>>>

> >>>to

> >>>

> >>>>form adenosine monophosphate (AMP).

> >>>>When the cell has excess energy, it stores this energy by

forming

> >>>>

> >>>ATP

> >>>

> >>>>from ADP and phosphate.

> >>>>ATP is required for the biochemical reactions involved in any

> >>>>

> >>>muscle

> >>>

> >>>>contraction. As the work of the muscle increases, more and more

> >>>>

> >>>ATP

> >>>

> >>>>gets consumed and must be replaced in order for the muscle to

keep

> >>>>moving.

> >>>>Because ATP is so important, the body has several different

> >>>>

> >>>systems

> >>>

> >>>>to create ATP. These systems work together in phases. The

> >>>>

> >>>interesting

> >>>

> >>>>thing is that different forms of exercise use different systems,

> >>>>

> >>>so a

> >>>

> >>>>sprinter is getting ATP in a completely different way from a

> >>>>

> >>>marathon

> >>>

> >>>>runner!

> >>>>

> >>>>Thus MARS is undisputed lord of Vitality.

> >>>>Arsenikom in Greek means POTENT or MALE..

> >>>>You will find Arsenic in 5th group.

> >>>>Outermost shell of Nitrogen and all the other elements has 3

> >>>>electrons.

> >>>>Hence Mars is also known as Trikona . This denotes that Power

lies

> >>>>

> >>>in

> >>>

> >>>>A Triangle.

> >>>>This may be the reason for Tantra diagrams being based on

Triangles

> >>>>This is also why Kartik the commander of Deva's army (Mars) has

> >>>>Triangular Vel (LANCE) in his hand.

> >>>>

> >>>>Coming to original observation by Visti about Mars being Karaka

> >>>>

> >>>for

> >>>

> >>>>Celibecy is very new to this being.

> >>>>

> >>>>Tatvam_Asi

> >>>>

> >>>>Group info: vedic-

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> >>>>

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> >>>>

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> >>>>....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ........

> >>>>

> >>>>|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||

> >>>>

> >>>>_____

> >>>>

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> >>>>

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> >>>>

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> >>>>

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> >>>>

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> >>>>

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