Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Om Subrahmanyaya Namah Dear Rameshji, The Rasi bedam depends on the purpose. Yet, from Aries, Rasis are divided as oja-yugma, male-female. All oja rasis are cruel (malefic) and viceversa. What all we see with oja rasis will be cruel. (In Prasna if we are thinking about any animal, that will be very cruel...) In a horoscope, if Ascendant and Moon are in oja rasi, it's said that the native will be cruel, for yugma rasis, the result will be opposite. Again, if malefic planets are in the hora of Sun in Oja rasis, the results will be max(very curel) otherwise reduced. Similarly, if benefics are in yugma rasi (benefic sign) in the Moon Hora, the person will be kind, peacefully disposed etc; can be seen. This is applicable to any horoscope whether it's of male or female, with due considerations. Now for shadbala strength, I'm sure that you know the human signs like Gemini, Virgo etc in Lagna are prefered, hence we see that Human signs in Lagna are benefic. Lagna will be powerless if it's in Sc(in bhava madhyam)... So the benefic signs in this purpose depends on other matters. Sheershodaya signs are benefic as Lagna, as it can help for Ayur etc, in Prasna related to yes or no questions this can to a good extent shows success. Prasna Marga goes on to differentiate Rasis with Krita, Treta etc; Ca,Sc and Pi are Kali Yuga signs.Anyway, as I see it, the question of benefic and malefic depends on the purpose, once we leave the above para(which is quoted by classics). And, Sagittarius is a Satvic sign yet a war like one, while Pisces is a double bodied and Rajasic sign. As per English calender today is our Gurudev, Pt Sanjay Ji's birhthday. He wrote earlier that He wont see groups for three months, yet, I take this opportunity to wish Him a wonderful year ahead. I pray to Lord Subrahmanya for early success in His mission. Best Regards, Saaji vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote: > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Learned members, > > I wish to clarify some fundamental doubts about Rashis being benefic or > malefic. One way of classifying them as benefic and malefic is based on > natural characteristics of the lord of the Rashi, i.e Saggi and Pieces which > are ruled by Jupiter become benefic. I have the following translation from > BPHS which defines alternate rashis as Malefic and Benefic. > > " 5-5½. Classification of Rasis. Movable, Fixed and Dual are the names given > to the 12 Rasis in order. These are again known, as malefic and benefic, > successively. Similarly are male and female. Mesh, Simh and Dhanu are > bilious. Vrishabh, Kanya and Makar are windy. Mithun, Tula and Kumbh are > mixed, while the rest are phlegmatic." > > there is also a translation from Saravali as follows; > > "20-21. Rasis Benefic and Malefic, Gandanta and its Effects. From Aries > onwards alternatively the Rasis are known, as malefic and benefic on the one > hand and male and female on the other hand. " > > If I take the above definition Saggi becomes malefic and Pisces benefic. I > wish to understand which is the right way of classifying the rashis as > benefic or malefic. > > Thanks and Kind Regards > Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Jaya Jagannatha Why you call rasis as Malefic & Benefic ... English Language is with out Juice or Substance! Sanskrit is a Divine Language which gives correct meaning, but we dont have English words to describe it properly ... Kroora & Saumya .. Kroora is Harsh, rough, Saumya is Tender, Cool, Soft Now -) The Queen ( Moon), Cancer is Saumya. The King ( Sun), Leo is Kroora. The Planets are mixture of both.. Kroora & Saumya .. But Again there is a differentiation Shubha & Ashubha Graha .. etc Samarth. Rao Jaya Jagannatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Saaji, Thank you for explaining things that I was not aware of. Honestly my query came up while studying Narayana Dasa book. While reading the same I noted down the following. 1. Dasa Trend, 1/3rd rule: Dasa sign benefic= effect in beginning, malefic= in end, Pisces (exception) = middle. The other 2 parts are judged by lord and planets conjoining/ aspecting respectively. 2. Another approach: Generally the Dasa period can be divided in 3 parts. Results of 1st part will be governed by the house (Rashi), 2nd by the lord and 3rd by the planets that occupy/ aspect the Dasa Rashi. (also used by PVR in VAIA) 3. Effects of Rashi: will be felt during beginning, Mid or end depending upon the type of Rashi; Sirsodaya, Ubhayodaya or pristodaya respectively. So Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Virgo, Libra and Saggi will give results in the beginning, Pisces in middle and remaining rashis in the end. I found points 1 and 3 difficult to reconcile with the malefic/benefic definition for Rashi based on odd/even sequence. They however reconciled when I took rashis with benefic lords to be benefic and vica versa. I haven't done any reading on Prasna Marg so far. May be I will understand some of what you have stated when I start reading the same. Best Regards Ramesh saaji kulangara [saajik] Saturday, August 07, 2004 1:27 PM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Benefic and Malefic rashis Om Subrahmanyaya Namah Dear Rameshji, The Rasi bedam depends on the purpose. Yet, from Aries, Rasis are divided as oja-yugma, male-female. All oja rasis are cruel (malefic) and viceversa. What all we see with oja rasis will be cruel. (In Prasna if we are thinking about any animal, that will be very cruel...) In a horoscope, if Ascendant and Moon are in oja rasi, it's said that the native will be cruel, for yugma rasis, the result will be opposite. Again, if malefic planets are in the hora of Sun in Oja rasis, the results will be max(very curel) otherwise reduced. Similarly, if benefics are in yugma rasi (benefic sign) in the Moon Hora, the person will be kind, peacefully disposed etc; can be seen. This is applicable to any horoscope whether it's of male or female, with due considerations. Now for shadbala strength, I'm sure that you know the human signs like Gemini, Virgo etc in Lagna are prefered, hence we see that Human signs in Lagna are benefic. Lagna will be powerless if it's in Sc(in bhava madhyam)... So the benefic signs in this purpose depends on other matters. Sheershodaya signs are benefic as Lagna, as it can help for Ayur etc, in Prasna related to yes or no questions this can to a good extent shows success. Prasna Marga goes on to differentiate Rasis with Krita, Treta etc; Ca,Sc and Pi are Kali Yuga signs.Anyway, as I see it, the question of benefic and malefic depends on the purpose, once we leave the above para(which is quoted by classics). And, Sagittarius is a Satvic sign yet a war like one, while Pisces is a double bodied and Rajasic sign. As per English calender today is our Gurudev, Pt Sanjay Ji's birhthday. He wrote earlier that He wont see groups for three months, yet, I take this opportunity to wish Him a wonderful year ahead. I pray to Lord Subrahmanya for early success in His mission. Best Regards, Saaji vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote: > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Learned members, > > I wish to clarify some fundamental doubts about Rashis being benefic or > malefic. One way of classifying them as benefic and malefic is based on > natural characteristics of the lord of the Rashi, i.e Saggi and Pieces which > are ruled by Jupiter become benefic. I have the following translation from > BPHS which defines alternate rashis as Malefic and Benefic. > > " 5-5½. Classification of Rasis. Movable, Fixed and Dual are the names given > to the 12 Rasis in order. These are again known, as malefic and benefic, > successively. Similarly are male and female. Mesh, Simh and Dhanu are > bilious. Vrishabh, Kanya and Makar are windy. Mithun, Tula and Kumbh are > mixed, while the rest are phlegmatic." > > there is also a translation from Saravali as follows; > > "20-21. Rasis Benefic and Malefic, Gandanta and its Effects. From Aries > onwards alternatively the Rasis are known, as malefic and benefic on the one > hand and male and female on the other hand. " > > If I take the above definition Saggi becomes malefic and Pisces benefic. I > wish to understand which is the right way of classifying the rashis as > benefic or malefic. > > Thanks and Kind Regards > Ramesh Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Ramesh, 1. First decide based on the rising of the sign, where is the result of the sign would be. 2. Once the slot of the sign is taken, try finding out the more benefic among the lord and the planets conjoined/ aspect. The more benefic one (natural benefic), would take the first of the two remaining slot. Best Wishes Sarajit - Ramesh Gangaramani saaji kulangara ; vedic astrology Sunday, August 08, 2004 6:36 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Benefic and Malefic rashis Satyam Bruyat Priyam BruyatDear Saaji,Thank you for explaining things that I was not aware of. Honestly my querycame up while studying Narayana Dasa book. While reading the same I noteddown the following.1. Dasa Trend, 1/3rd rule: Dasa sign benefic= effect in beginning, malefic=in end, Pisces (exception) = middle. The other 2 parts are judged by lordand planets conjoining/ aspecting respectively.2. Another approach: Generally the Dasa period can be divided in 3 parts.Results of 1st part will be governed by the house (Rashi), 2nd by the lordand 3rd by the planets that occupy/ aspect the Dasa Rashi. (also used by PVRin VAIA)3. Effects of Rashi: will be felt during beginning, Mid or end dependingupon the type of Rashi; Sirsodaya, Ubhayodaya or pristodaya respectively. SoTaurus, Gemini, Cancer, Virgo, Libra and Saggi will give results in thebeginning, Pisces in middle and remaining rashis in the end.I found points 1 and 3 difficult to reconcile with the malefic/beneficdefinition for Rashi based on odd/even sequence. They however reconciledwhen I took rashis with benefic lords to be benefic and vica versa. Ihaven't done any reading on Prasna Marg so far. May be I will understandsome of what you have stated when I start reading the same.Best RegardsRameshsaaji kulangara [saajik ]Saturday, August 07, 2004 1:27 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Benefic and Malefic rashisOm Subrahmanyaya NamahDear Rameshji,The Rasi bedam depends on the purpose.Yet, from Aries, Rasis are divided as oja-yugma, male-female. All ojarasis are cruel (malefic) and viceversa. What all we see with ojarasis will be cruel. (In Prasna if we are thinking about any animal,that will be very cruel...) In a horoscope, if Ascendant and Moon arein oja rasi, it's said that the native will be cruel, for yugmarasis, the result will be opposite. Again, if malefic planets are inthe hora of Sun in Oja rasis, the results will be max(very curel)otherwise reduced. Similarly, if benefics are in yugma rasi (beneficsign) in the Moon Hora, the person will be kind, peacefully disposedetc; can be seen. This is applicable to any horoscope whether it's ofmale or female, with due considerations.Now for shadbala strength, I'm sure that you know the human signslike Gemini, Virgo etc in Lagna are prefered, hence we see that Humansigns in Lagna are benefic. Lagna will be powerless if it's in Sc(inbhava madhyam)... So the benefic signs in this purpose depends onother matters. Sheershodaya signs are benefic as Lagna, as it canhelp for Ayur etc, in Prasna related to yes or no questions this canto a good extent shows success. Prasna Marga goes on to differentiateRasis with Krita, Treta etc; Ca,Sc and Pi are Kali Yuga signs.Anyway,as I see it, the question of benefic and malefic depends on thepurpose, once we leave the above para(which is quoted by classics).And, Sagittarius is a Satvic sign yet a war like one, while Pisces isa double bodied and Rajasic sign.As per English calender today is our Gurudev, Pt Sanjay Ji'sbirhthday. He wrote earlier that He wont see groups for three months,yet, I take this opportunity to wish Him a wonderful year ahead. Ipray to Lord Subrahmanya for early success in His mission.Best Regards,Saajivedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"<ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat>> Dear Learned members,>> I wish to clarify some fundamental doubts about Rashis beingbenefic or> malefic. One way of classifying them as benefic and malefic isbased on> natural characteristics of the lord of the Rashi, i.e Saggi andPieces which> are ruled by Jupiter become benefic. I have the followingtranslation from> BPHS which defines alternate rashis as Malefic and Benefic.>> " 5-5½. Classification of Rasis. Movable, Fixed and Dual are thenames given> to the 12 Rasis in order. These are again known, as malefic andbenefic,> successively. Similarly are male and female. Mesh, Simh and Dhanuare> bilious. Vrishabh, Kanya and Makar are windy. Mithun, Tula andKumbh are> mixed, while the rest are phlegmatic.">> there is also a translation from Saravali as follows;>> "20-21. Rasis Benefic and Malefic, Gandanta and its Effects. FromAries> onwards alternatively the Rasis are known, as malefic and beneficon the one> hand and male and female on the other hand. ">> If I take the above definition Saggi becomes malefic and Piscesbenefic. I> wish to understand which is the right way of classifying the rashisas> benefic or malefic.>> Thanks and Kind Regards> RameshArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || LinksArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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