Quiz - Eg chart - Hari,Vinay,Ramanathan ji& Pran ji

August 1, 2004

Dear Hari,Vinay,Ramanathan ji and Pran ji

Sorry for the delayed reply.I was bit busy yesterday.

It was very educative to read the panchanga thithi importance and

various other angles of analysis done by all.Ramanthan ji thanks for

the detailed explanations with,drekkana,saturn(limb movements)AL

positions,karakamsa,swamsa,Pulmonary area and a lot more.

I would reveal the answer now.Chest region was the major area.And

heart the major organ.

He had been having heart problems right from childhood.It was

complicated as well.Apart from disorder there was a hole as well in

the pulmonary system(i dont know exacly where,artery,

vein??!!!) ,thereby preventing fresh blood (oxygenated)

circulation.This would cause the limbs to get tired after making a

few steps.Thus the individual couldnt walk much and hence no formal

school going.

Thus HEART and thereby respiratory system and thereby other related

problems.In 93 open heart surgery was performed.This was a

success.In 97/98 another blood transfusion or total replacement of

blood took place.The individual said this was in continuation with

the initial surgery.But i suspect a marrow related cleaning as

Ramanathan ji has mentioned?

The individual is healthy and normal with GODs grace.

He is interested to know about marriage possibility.It was spreading

of news regarding his past, which led to breakage of, fixed

marriage.Ramanathan ji has mentioned about difficulties regarding

marriage.May be with GOds grace things may change.

Hari I have reservations in asking about his fathers attitude at

birth(as i know him only since past 2 months,and by chance he was

mentioning all these to me).If he reveals something i can share it

for the benefit of learning.But as i have said there may be ongoing

problems.

Thus Ramanathan ji has concentrated on the chest area and lungs,Hari

has now pin pointed Heart,Vinay has pointed out the importance of

mercury(may be denial of formal education for a long time?)and pran

ji & Hari has stressed on the importance of jupiter(protecting role).

Congrats and thanks to everyone who have shared their valuable

knowledge and time.May be if one can analyse more deeply why heart

was involved and possibilities of marriage,it would be helpful.

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan>

wrote:

> Dear Hari,

> As an afterthought I doubt heart would be involved. This is

because Sun

> which is the karak for heart is in a good position in 6th house.

> Instead it would be simpler to find the diseases related to Mercury

> which is the culprit. So we could zero in on Skin disorders,

> neurological disorders, sensory losses or even hairing impairments.

> Pran

> --- patwardhanvinay <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:

>

> >

> > -

> > patwardhanvinay

> > vedic astrology

> > Saturday, July 31, 2004 4:54 PM

> > Quiz - Example chart - Vinay & Hari--->Hari

> >

> > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

> >

> > Dear Hari,

> >

> > Yes Pradeep has really given a good chart to solve and learn

more.

> > Regarding using higher divisions I'm also having same opinion

and try

> > to restrict myself but D9 is confirm after the Statement that

Native

> > has career in IT. So I consider this D9 is Ok.

> >

> > Regarding 8th H consideration I just want to refresh my memory

that

> > if Lagnesh is in 6th It will increase the effects of 8th H!! So

nija

> > and agantuka both are covered. And as RTN method by Zoranji we

get

> > mer is in Cp amsa.8th H!!So mer is culprit and in addition to

this

> > when badhakesh Kahresh are united in 8th H Cp amsa what we should

> > expect?(Count of Lagna is 8th from Lagnesh) Just this much and

myself

> > don't want to go beyond and beating around bush!! How brain is

ruled

> > out!! I think we r waiting for Pradeep's feedback!!

> >

> > Regarding all dasas we should use Shatabdiika Dasa as Lagna is

> > vargottama !!

> >

> > For rescue from Problems , we can see Ven in MT sign in 5th and

> > regarding 9th H ,9th L Sat is aspecting 9th are other points

besides

> > Jup aspects. So I want to stick to my statements and still have

> > opinion Jup(V) in asc. is like a Trojan Horse.

> >

> > Regarding Panchanga I've to learn alot !!

> >

> > Only Pradeep's feedback can reveal the Truth !!

> >

> > Waiting for Reply egarly as I'm off net for next 2-3 days from

> > Tomorrow!

> > With Regards,

> >

> > Vinay Patwardhan

> >

> -

-------------

> >

> > Hari M <onlyhari>

> > Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:23 pm

> > [vedic astrology] Quiz - Example chart - Vinay &

Hari

> >

> > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

> >

> > Dear Pradeep, Pran, Vinay and Ramanarayanan,

> >

> > Thank you for the feedback and comments in this puzzle. I

> > commend Pradeep for his handling of the puzzle by giving various

> > clues but without revealing the actual problem (rather the

native has

> > not told him the actual health problem!) so that we have to work

> > harder to use the astrological axioms to nail the problem. This

is

> > definitely getting interesting with the entry of Pran and

> > Ramanarayanan.

> >

> > So far, I had purposely restricted myself to rasi &

navamsa in

> > an attempt to trace the problem broadly because unless we nail

the

> > problem from the rasi then only we can confirm it in the

divisional

> > chart. But now with the advent of Ramanarayanan's attempt, it

looks

> > like I will have to delve deeper to trace out this health

problem.

> >

> > Pradeeps statement ".the native never went to school till

> > 17/18." is very revealing and supports my original statement

that the

> > problem is related to Me, which incidentally is the 4th lord

(primary

> > education)! So now it is clear that this health problem is from

birth

> > and serious enough to prevent normal schooling. But his

intelligence

> > (Ju in lagna aspecting 5th house & 9th house [graduate education

and

> > beyond] as well as 5th lord in 5th although the direct aspect of

3

> > malefics is also there) is unaffected as evident from the fact

that

> > he has a masters degree in engineering and works in a top IT

company!

> > Really, the blessings of Ju alone in lagna!

> >

> > Vinay, you know that 8th house shows nija roga and 6th

house

> > shows agantuk roga (drista & adrista [badhak & badhakesh]). Nija

roga

> > means that the disease is from inside and because of our past

karmas

> > at birth so we must use the kalapurusha to trace out the problem

area

> > but when considering agantuk roga, we use the 6th house/lord

position

> > with respect to lagna to find the problem area. That's why if 8th

> > lord is connected, then we use the body part represented by

Scorpio

> > to find out the problem. Its clear from Pradeeps email that

> > accidents/injury to hip region/brain problems etc are ruled out.

Its

> > also clear that the problem warrants surgery but cannot be done

until

> > the body is big enough to absorb the shock of the surgery (may

> > require a lot of blood transfusion or some such thing). But you

are

> > right when you say that the involvement of both the co-lords of

6th

> > house in the 2nd (eyes) and 10th (eyesight) led to problems in

> > eyesight. However its clear that this is only a secondary problem

> > (note that the karaka for surgery is present in 2nd house!)

> >

> > Pran, you are right in stating that 7th lord in 1st

aspecting

> > the 7th house is by itself not enough to give break in marriage

but

> > have you considered the fact that it is also badhakesh for Ge

lagna?

> > The fact that the marriage was cancelled shows that the badhakesh

> > effect is definitely there but the retrogradation means high

chesta

> > bala and the native has tremendous will power to overcome the

> > tribulations. Plus the 7th lord in 1st shows that the native is

born

> > to fulfill some strong desire and conditional dasas are

applicable

> > here to trace the fulfillment of this desire. Of course as

> > Ramanarayan has shown, retrograde badhakesh can also indicate

that

> > the health problem is difficult to cure and requires tremendous

> > efforts.

> >

> > Very correct of Ramanarayanan (hereafter abbreviated to

PSR) to

> > point out the dagdha tithi. When I analysed the chart yesterday

using

> > panchanga principles, I noticed this and hence asked whether the

> > father was very unhappy at the time of birth of the native.

Pradeep,

> > please confirm this point. But it seems that PSR is using this

> > principle to trace the problem to Mars (lord of ekadasi tithi). I

> > thought as per VRA, dagdha tithi indicates some problem with

father

> > only. Pelvis region (akin to hip region) has been ruled out and

chest

> > region is indicated by 4th house rather than 3rd house. Moreover

lung

> > infections are external in source and cannot be connected to

chronic

> > problems present from birth. But your point about bringing in the

> > decanates is very correct. I am not sure about the badhakesh

analysis

> > done by PSR and will study it in detail later. Other points are

good.

> >

> > Still much more to write but I am running out of time. So I

> > will make another attempt to trace the health problem

considering the

> > feedback from Pradeep. Once again I cling to my statement that Me

> > indicates the problem and here I look at it from the angle of 4th

> > house (as pointed out earlier) instead. Now Me is the lagna lord

and

> > 4th lord placed in 6th along with 3rd lord Su who is the

dispositor

> > of the 8th lord. Mars, the 6th co-lord is debilitated in 2nd

house of

> > Cn while the other co-lord is placed with the 2nd lord in 10th

> > aspecting the 4th house which also has Rahu in it. With

reference to

> > the kalapurusha, Cn represents the chest region while the 4th

house

> > also shows the same. Moon-Ketu combination in a watery sign shows

> > some physical damage. Now considering that the karakas for blood

> > (moon) and red blood cells (Mars) are both involved, I would

guess

> > that the native was born with some defect in his heart. This

could

> > possibly be a hole in his heart which required time to cure.

> >

> > Ok I will stop here and wait for feedback.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Hari

> >

>

August 1, 2004

Thanks Pradeep for the information. It was indeed an educative

exercise. Ramanathan's analysis was certainly accurate.

Pran

--- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> Dear Hari,Vinay,Ramanathan ji and Pran ji

>

> Sorry for the delayed reply.I was bit busy yesterday.

>

> It was very educative to read the panchanga thithi importance and

> various other angles of analysis done by all.Ramanthan ji thanks for

> the detailed explanations with,drekkana,saturn(limb movements)AL

> positions,karakamsa,swamsa,Pulmonary area and a lot more.

>

> I would reveal the answer now.Chest region was the major area.And

> heart the major organ.

>

> He had been having heart problems right from childhood.It was

> complicated as well.Apart from disorder there was a hole as well in

> the pulmonary system(i dont know exacly where,artery,

> vein??!!!) ,thereby preventing fresh blood (oxygenated)

> circulation.This would cause the limbs to get tired after making a

> few steps.Thus the individual couldnt walk much and hence no formal

> school going.

>

> Thus HEART and thereby respiratory system and thereby other related

> problems.In 93 open heart surgery was performed.This was a

> success.In 97/98 another blood transfusion or total replacement of

> blood took place.The individual said this was in continuation with

> the initial surgery.But i suspect a marrow related cleaning as

> Ramanathan ji has mentioned?

>

> The individual is healthy and normal with GODs grace.

> He is interested to know about marriage possibility.It was spreading

> of news regarding his past, which led to breakage of, fixed

> marriage.Ramanathan ji has mentioned about difficulties regarding

> marriage.May be with GOds grace things may change.

>

> Hari I have reservations in asking about his fathers attitude at

> birth(as i know him only since past 2 months,and by chance he was

> mentioning all these to me).If he reveals something i can share it

> for the benefit of learning.But as i have said there may be ongoing

> problems.

>

> Thus Ramanathan ji has concentrated on the chest area and lungs,Hari

> has now pin pointed Heart,Vinay has pointed out the importance of

> mercury(may be denial of formal education for a long time?)and pran

> ji & Hari has stressed on the importance of jupiter(protecting role).

>

> Congrats and thanks to everyone who have shared their valuable

> knowledge and time.May be if one can analyse more deeply why heart

> was involved and possibilities of marriage,it would be helpful.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan>

> wrote:

> > Dear Hari,

> > As an afterthought I doubt heart would be involved. This is

> because Sun

> > which is the karak for heart is in a good position in 6th house.

> > Instead it would be simpler to find the diseases related to Mercury

> > which is the culprit. So we could zero in on Skin disorders,

> > neurological disorders, sensory losses or even hairing impairments.

> > Pran

> > --- patwardhanvinay <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > -

> > > patwardhanvinay

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Saturday, July 31, 2004 4:54 PM

> > > Quiz - Example chart - Vinay & Hari--->Hari

> > >

> > > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

> > >

> > > Dear Hari,

> > >

> > > Yes Pradeep has really given a good chart to solve and learn

> more. Regarding using higher divisions I'm also having same opinion

> and try to restrict myself but D9 is confirm after the Statement that

> Native has career in IT. So I consider this D9 is Ok.

Regarding 8th H consideration I just want to refresh my memory

> that if Lagnesh is in 6th It will increase the effects of 8th H!! So

> nija and agantuka both are covered. And as RTN method by Zoranji we

> get mer is in Cp amsa.8th H!!So mer is culprit and in addition to

> this

> > > when badhakesh Kahresh are united in 8th H Cp amsa what we should

> > > expect?(Count of Lagna is 8th from Lagnesh) Just this much and

> myself

> > > don't want to go beyond and beating around bush!! How brain is

> ruled

> > > out!! I think we r waiting for Pradeep's feedback!!

> > >

> > > Regarding all dasas we should use Shatabdiika Dasa as Lagna is

> > > vargottama !!

> > >

> > > For rescue from Problems , we can see Ven in MT sign in 5th and

> > > regarding 9th H ,9th L Sat is aspecting 9th are other points

> besides

> > > Jup aspects. So I want to stick to my statements and still have

> > > opinion Jup(V) in asc. is like a Trojan Horse.

> > >

> > > Regarding Panchanga I've to learn alot !!

> > >

> > > Only Pradeep's feedback can reveal the Truth !!

> > >

> > > Waiting for Reply egarly as I'm off net for next 2-3 days from

> > > Tomorrow!

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Vinay Patwardhan

> > >

> > -

> -------------

> > >

> > > Hari M <onlyhari>

> > > Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:23 pm

> > > [vedic astrology] Quiz - Example chart - Vinay &

> Hari

> > >

> > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep, Pran, Vinay and Ramanarayanan,

> > >

> > > Thank you for the feedback and comments in this puzzle. I

> > > commend Pradeep for his handling of the puzzle by giving various

> > > clues but without revealing the actual problem (rather the

> native has

> > > not told him the actual health problem!) so that we have to work

> > > harder to use the astrological axioms to nail the problem. This

> is

> > > definitely getting interesting with the entry of Pran and

> > > Ramanarayanan.

> > >

> > > So far, I had purposely restricted myself to rasi &

> navamsa in

> > > an attempt to trace the problem broadly because unless we nail

> the

> > > problem from the rasi then only we can confirm it in the

> divisional

> > > chart. But now with the advent of Ramanarayanan's attempt, it

> looks

> > > like I will have to delve deeper to trace out this health

> problem.

> > >

> > > Pradeeps statement ".the native never went to school till

> > > 17/18." is very revealing and supports my original statement

> that the

> > > problem is related to Me, which incidentally is the 4th lord

> (primary

> > > education)! So now it is clear that this health problem is from

> birth

> > > and serious enough to prevent normal schooling. But his

> intelligence

> > > (Ju in lagna aspecting 5th house & 9th house [graduate education

> and

> > > beyond] as well as 5th lord in 5th although the direct aspect of

> 3

> > > malefics is also there) is unaffected as evident from the fact

> that

> > > he has a masters degree in engineering and works in a top IT

> company!

> > > Really, the blessings of Ju alone in lagna!

> > >

> > > Vinay, you know that 8th house shows nija roga and 6th

> house

> > > shows agantuk roga (drista & adrista [badhak & badhakesh]). Nija

> roga

> > > means that the disease is from inside and because of our past

> karmas

> > > at birth so we must use the kalapurusha to trace out the problem

> area

> > > but when considering agantuk roga, we use the 6th house/lord

> position

> > > with respect to lagna to find the problem area. That's why if 8th

> > > lord is connected, then we use the body part represented by

> Scorpio

> > > to find out the problem. Its clear from Pradeeps email that

> > > accidents/injury to hip region/brain problems etc are ruled out.

> Its

> > > also clear that the problem warrants surgery but cannot be done

> until

> > > the body is big enough to absorb the shock of the surgery (may

> > > require a lot of blood transfusion or some such thing). But you

> are

>

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August 1, 2004

And of course Hari's pinpointing of the hole in the heart.

Pran

--- PNRazdan <pnrazdan wrote:

> Thanks Pradeep for the information. It was indeed an educative

> exercise. Ramanathan's analysis was certainly accurate.

> Pran

> --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> > Dear Hari,Vinay,Ramanathan ji and Pran ji

> >

> > Sorry for the delayed reply.I was bit busy yesterday.

> >

> > It was very educative to read the panchanga thithi importance and

> > various other angles of analysis done by all.Ramanthan ji thanks

> for

> > the detailed explanations with,drekkana,saturn(limb movements)AL

> > positions,karakamsa,swamsa,Pulmonary area and a lot more.

> >

> > I would reveal the answer now.Chest region was the major area.And

> > heart the major organ.

> >

> > He had been having heart problems right from childhood.It was

> > complicated as well.Apart from disorder there was a hole as well in

>

> > the pulmonary system(i dont know exacly where,artery,

> > vein??!!!) ,thereby preventing fresh blood (oxygenated)

> > circulation.This would cause the limbs to get tired after making a

> > few steps.Thus the individual couldnt walk much and hence no formal

>

> > school going.

> >

> > Thus HEART and thereby respiratory system and thereby other related

>

> > problems.In 93 open heart surgery was performed.This was a

> > success.In 97/98 another blood transfusion or total replacement of

> > blood took place.The individual said this was in continuation with

> > the initial surgery.But i suspect a marrow related cleaning as

> > Ramanathan ji has mentioned?

> >

> > The individual is healthy and normal with GODs grace.

> > He is interested to know about marriage possibility.It was

> spreading

> > of news regarding his past, which led to breakage of, fixed

> > marriage.Ramanathan ji has mentioned about difficulties regarding

> > marriage.May be with GOds grace things may change.

> >

> > Hari I have reservations in asking about his fathers attitude at

> > birth(as i know him only since past 2 months,and by chance he was

> > mentioning all these to me).If he reveals something i can share it

> > for the benefit of learning.But as i have said there may be ongoing

>

> > problems.

> >

> > Thus Ramanathan ji has concentrated on the chest area and

> lungs,Hari

> > has now pin pointed Heart,Vinay has pointed out the importance of

> > mercury(may be denial of formal education for a long time?)and pran

>

> > ji & Hari has stressed on the importance of jupiter(protecting

> role).

> >

> > Congrats and thanks to everyone who have shared their valuable

> > knowledge and time.May be if one can analyse more deeply why heart

> > was involved and possibilities of marriage,it would be helpful.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> > vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Hari,

> > > As an afterthought I doubt heart would be involved. This is

> > because Sun

> > > which is the karak for heart is in a good position in 6th house.

> > > Instead it would be simpler to find the diseases related to

> Mercury

> > > which is the culprit. So we could zero in on Skin disorders,

> > > neurological disorders, sensory losses or even hairing

> impairments.

> > > Pran

> > > --- patwardhanvinay <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > patwardhanvinay

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Saturday, July 31, 2004 4:54 PM

> > > > Quiz - Example chart - Vinay & Hari--->Hari

> > > >

> > > > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Hari,

> > > >

> > > > Yes Pradeep has really given a good chart to solve and learn

> > more. Regarding using higher divisions I'm also having same opinion

>

> > and try to restrict myself but D9 is confirm after the Statement

> that

>

> > Native has career in IT. So I consider this D9 is Ok.

>

> Regarding 8th H consideration I just want to refresh my memory

> > that if Lagnesh is in 6th It will increase the effects of 8th H!!

> So

> > nija and agantuka both are covered. And as RTN method by Zoranji we

>

> > get mer is in Cp amsa.8th H!!So mer is culprit and in addition to

> > this

> > > > when badhakesh Kahresh are united in 8th H Cp amsa what we

> should

> > > > expect?(Count of Lagna is 8th from Lagnesh) Just this much and

> > myself

> > > > don't want to go beyond and beating around bush!! How brain is

>

> > ruled

> > > > out!! I think we r waiting for Pradeep's feedback!!

> > > >

> > > > Regarding all dasas we should use Shatabdiika Dasa as Lagna is

> > > > vargottama !!

> > > >

> > > > For rescue from Problems , we can see Ven in MT sign in 5th and

> > > > regarding 9th H ,9th L Sat is aspecting 9th are other points

> > besides

> > > > Jup aspects. So I want to stick to my statements and still have

> > > > opinion Jup(V) in asc. is like a Trojan Horse.

> > > >

> > > > Regarding Panchanga I've to learn alot !!

> > > >

> > > > Only Pradeep's feedback can reveal the Truth !!

> > > >

> > > > Waiting for Reply egarly as I'm off net for next 2-3 days from

> > > > Tomorrow!

> > > > With Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Vinay Patwardhan

> > > >

> > >

> -

> > -------------

> > > >

> > > > Hari M <onlyhari>

> > > > Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:23 pm

> > > > [vedic astrology] Quiz - Example chart - Vinay

> &

> > Hari

> > > >

> > > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep, Pran, Vinay and Ramanarayanan,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for the feedback and comments in this puzzle. I

> > > > commend Pradeep for his handling of the puzzle by giving

> various

> > > > clues but without revealing the actual problem (rather the

> > native has

> > > > not told him the actual health problem!) so that we have to

> work

> > > > harder to use the astrological axioms to nail the problem. This

>

> > is

> > > > definitely getting interesting with the entry of Pran and

> > > > Ramanarayanan.

> > > >

> > > > So far, I had purposely restricted myself to rasi &

> > navamsa in

> > > > an attempt to trace the problem broadly because unless we nail

> > the

> > > > problem from the rasi then only we can confirm it in the

> > divisional

> > > > chart. But now with the advent of Ramanarayanan's attempt, it

> > looks

> > > > like I will have to delve deeper to trace out this health

> > problem.

> > > >

> > > > Pradeeps statement ".the native never went to school till

> > > > 17/18." is very revealing and supports my original statement

> > that the

> > > > problem is related to Me, which incidentally is the 4th lord

> > (primary

> > > > education)! So now it is clear that this health problem is from

>

> > birth

> > > > and serious enough to prevent normal schooling. But his

> > intelligence

> > > > (Ju in lagna aspecting 5th house & 9th house [graduate

> education

> > and

> > > > beyond] as well as 5th lord in 5th although the direct aspect

> of

> > 3

> > > > malefics is also there) is unaffected as evident from the fact

> > that

> > > > he has a masters degree in engineering and works in a top IT

>

=== message truncated ===

August 2, 2004

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

Dear Pradeep,

Thank you for the feedback. It was really educative to attempt this puzzle. As

you have rightly remarked, it is all Gods grace that the native was able to

secure a good education and job inspite of the many hurdles facing him. After

this exercise, I dont think anyone will need convincing about Parasara's

statement that Ju alone in lagna is the greatest blessing in a chart!

Vinay, I dont understand your statement about Ju® being a Trojan horse. Is

badhakesh hiding inside the horse here? Aspect of 7th lord on 5th house/5th

lord might bring about some romantic involvement. Father is unlikely to scupper

the marriage proposal most likely, it is some grandparent in the brides family

that opposed the marriage. Anyway that is not important and I opine that all

these happen for the good of the native.

About why heart is involved, I have given the logic which explains to some

extent: Moon-Ketu combination indicates surely some physical damage and

aspecting the 4th house indicates damage to chest region. Since Moon is karaka

for blood and other karaka for redblood cells (Marrow - Mars) is debilitated in

Cn, the natural fourth house of zodiac. So we can infer some problem with heart,

is it not? Of course we have to see shashthamsa, trimsamsa and shastiamsa to

confirm. With a time of 21.30 hours, I was reluctant to go into divisionals and

will look into it at my leisure. Of course you can use this to rectify the birth

time. If I get additional insights, I will post again. There are many questions

to be resolved here.

About marriage, it is clear that transit Ju in Le aspecting the 2nd from UL thus

triggering off the marriage proposal. Besides being badhakesh, Ju is also the

navamsa dispositor of the 7th lord, going by the dispositor theory (dont apply

this statement in straightforward way!) and controls the fortune of the 7th

house in rasi. Unfortunately it is debilitated in navamsa and thus gives

difficulties in getting married. This situation will be relieved when Ju

transits Vi, aspecting the 7th house and 7th lord in both rasi & navamsa

besides aspecting UL. Hopefully, the marriage of the native will be finalized

before March 2005 (considering dwisaptatisama dasa and D-9 Narayana Dasa).

Hope this helps.

regards

Hari

vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:

Dear Hari,Vinay,Ramanathan ji and Pran jiSorry for the delayed reply.I was bit

busy yesterday.It was very educative to read the panchanga thithi importance

and various other angles of analysis done by all.Ramanthan ji thanks for the

detailed explanations with,drekkana,saturn(limb movements)AL

positions,karakamsa,swamsa,Pulmonary area and a lot more.I would reveal the

answer now.Chest region was the major area.And heart the major organ.He had

been having heart problems right from childhood.It was complicated as

well.Apart from disorder there was a hole as well in the pulmonary system(i

dont know exacly where,artery, vein??!!!) ,thereby preventing fresh blood

(oxygenated) circulation.This would cause the limbs to get tired after making a

few steps.Thus the individual couldnt walk much and hence no formal school

going.Thus HEART and thereby respiratory system and thereby other related

problems.In 93 open heart surgery was performed.This was a success.In 97/98

another blood transfusion or total replacement of blood took place.The

individual said this was in continuation with the initial surgery.But i suspect

a marrow related cleaning as Ramanathan ji has mentioned?The individual is

healthy and normal with GODs grace. He is interested to know about marriage

possibility.It was spreading of news regarding his past, which led to breakage

of, fixed marriage.Ramanathan ji has mentioned about difficulties regarding

marriage.May be with GOds grace things may change.Hari I have reservations in

asking about his fathers attitude at birth(as i know him only since past 2

months,and by chance he was mentioning all these to me).If he reveals something

i can share it for the benefit of learning.But as i have said there may be

ongoing

problems.Thus Ramanathan ji has concentrated on the chest area and lungs,Hari

has now pin pointed Heart,Vinay has pointed out the importance of mercury(may

be denial of formal education for a long time?)and pran ji & Hari has stressed

on the importance of jupiter(protecting role).Congrats and thanks to everyone

who have shared their valuable knowledge and time.May be if one can analyse

more deeply why heart was involved and possibilities of marriage,it would be

helpful.ThanksPradeep

August 3, 2004

Dear Hari

Thanks for the detailed reply.Thanks again for analysing the

possibility of marriage.

Yes the fourth house and the influences may be deeply studied for

ascertaining heart.Additional to your points i feel, Jupiter a maraka

as 7th lord is placed in lagna in the nakshathra of Rahu.And Rahu in

turn is placed in the fourth house.Thus can we say the maraka

influence will be transferred to 4th house as well?.And the

dispositor of lagna and 4th is in the 6th house of rogas.The 6th lord

is debilitated.These are only additional points.

Now Jupiter when single in Lagna does protect without doubt.But the

role based on karma to be exercised by each planet may be the main

lesson to be learned in jyotish.With whatever little knowledge i

have, i feel Jupiter tests the individual or the individual is

subjected to experiments based on his placement.

For example jupiter in 11th may test the indiviual with fluctuation

of labhas.I have found jupiter in lagna in makara(debilitated) tests

the individual w.r to luck(as jupiter is the greatest luck

giver).Debilitated Jupiter here will give good by his glance on

5th,7th & 9th,but for the individual, the matters signified by

jupiter will be under scrutiny.

Similarly Jupiter in dhanu will test the individual in the areas of

dharma.As human beings one cannot be totally perfect,still jupiter

expects one to be pure in totality.Even in thoughts one should be

perfect.One will be expected to exercise dharma and fight for

it ,single handedly,inspite of recieving adharma and setbacks.

Jupiter in Meena may test the individual w.r to purity in

spirituality.One should be spiritual, single mindedly with

perfection.Jupiter in 9th will make one waiting for fortunate

opportunities.Jupiter in 3rd can clearly give experiments w.r to co-

borns and one should have more & more courage (parakrama shakthi) to

overcome difficulties.

And in this case Jupiter gave the individual the wisdom to succeed

inspite of physical inability to have formal primary education

(Mercury - especially as it rules the 4th house), and by aspecting

the 9th house - made higher education,possible.Jupiter is here in

mithuna.Thus lagna,Mithunas significations and mercury in general are

to be analysed to understand the areas which may be subjected

to 'Bhrashta'. Finally Brihaspati is a great giver and

protects.Kindly give your experiences on the same.

It was great to learn the analysing techniques from

yourself,Vinay,Rmanathan ji & Pran ji.

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology, Hari M <onlyhari> wrote:

> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> Thank you for the feedback. It was really educative to attempt this

puzzle. As you have rightly remarked, it is all Gods grace that the

native was able to secure a good education and job inspite of the

many hurdles facing him. After this exercise, I dont think anyone

will need convincing about Parasara's statement that Ju alone in

lagna is the greatest blessing in a chart!

>

> Vinay, I dont understand your statement about Ju® being a Trojan

horse. Is badhakesh hiding inside the horse here? Aspect of 7th lord

on 5th house/5th lord might bring about some romantic involvement.

Father is unlikely to scupper the marriage proposal most likely, it

is some grandparent in the brides family that opposed the marriage.

Anyway that is not important and I opine that all these happen for

the good of the native.

>

> About why heart is involved, I have given the logic which explains

to some extent: Moon-Ketu combination indicates surely some physical

damage and aspecting the 4th house indicates damage to chest region.

Since Moon is karaka for blood and other karaka for redblood cells

(Marrow - Mars) is debilitated in Cn, the natural fourth house of

zodiac. So we can infer some problem with heart, is it not? Of course

we have to see shashthamsa, trimsamsa and shastiamsa to confirm. With

a time of 21.30 hours, I was reluctant to go into divisionals and

will look into it at my leisure. Of course you can use this to

rectify the birth time. If I get additional insights, I will post

again. There are many questions to be resolved here.

>

> About marriage, it is clear that transit Ju in Le aspecting the 2nd

from UL thus triggering off the marriage proposal. Besides being

badhakesh, Ju is also the navamsa dispositor of the 7th lord, going

by the dispositor theory (dont apply this statement in

straightforward way!) and controls the fortune of the 7th house in

rasi. Unfortunately it is debilitated in navamsa and thus gives

difficulties in getting married. This situation will be relieved when

Ju transits Vi, aspecting the 7th house and 7th lord in both rasi &

navamsa besides aspecting UL. Hopefully, the marriage of the native

will be finalized before March 2005 (considering dwisaptatisama dasa

and D-9 Narayana Dasa).

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> regards

>

> Hari

>

> vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> Dear Hari,Vinay,Ramanathan ji and Pran ji

>

> Sorry for the delayed reply.I was bit busy yesterday.

>

> It was very educative to read the panchanga thithi importance and

> various other angles of analysis done by all.Ramanthan ji thanks

for

> the detailed explanations with,drekkana,saturn(limb movements)AL

> positions,karakamsa,swamsa,Pulmonary area and a lot more.

>

> I would reveal the answer now.Chest region was the major area.And

> heart the major organ.

>

> He had been having heart problems right from childhood.It was

> complicated as well.Apart from disorder there was a hole as well in

> the pulmonary system(i dont know exacly where,artery,

> vein??!!!) ,thereby preventing fresh blood (oxygenated)

> circulation.This would cause the limbs to get tired after making a

> few steps.Thus the individual couldnt walk much and hence no formal

> school going.

>

> Thus HEART and thereby respiratory system and thereby other related

> problems.In 93 open heart surgery was performed.This was a

> success.In 97/98 another blood transfusion or total replacement of

> blood took place.The individual said this was in continuation with

> the initial surgery.But i suspect a marrow related cleaning as

> Ramanathan ji has mentioned?

>

> The individual is healthy and normal with GODs grace.

> He is interested to know about marriage possibility.It was

spreading

> of news regarding his past, which led to breakage of, fixed

> marriage.Ramanathan ji has mentioned about difficulties regarding

> marriage.May be with GOds grace things may change.

>

> Hari I have reservations in asking about his fathers attitude at

> birth(as i know him only since past 2 months,and by chance he was

> mentioning all these to me).If he reveals something i can share it

> for the benefit of learning.But as i have said there may be ongoing

> problems.

>

> Thus Ramanathan ji has concentrated on the chest area and

lungs,Hari

> has now pin pointed Heart,Vinay has pointed out the importance of

> mercury(may be denial of formal education for a long time?)and pran

> ji & Hari has stressed on the importance of jupiter(protecting

role).

>

> Congrats and thanks to everyone who have shared their valuable

> knowledge and time.May be if one can analyse more deeply why heart

> was involved and possibilities of marriage,it would be helpful.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

August 3, 2004

||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

Dear Pradeep,Hari,

Pradeep, it's really worth exerceise to do. Thanks for it.

Hari,Thanks for the explanations and Parasara words which I never want to question but to test.

Regarding Rahu I forget to mention the natural Karkatwa of grandparent and yes I

do agree with you that whatsoever happens in life is only for good.

Regarding heart involement I 've understood ur logic and I just want to check it

with Pradeep's reply. And it's excellent and accurate!! For me mistakes lead to

knowledge .Regarding marriage also you words are worthwhile.

Thanks for reply and explanations to all participants.

Regards,

Vinay Patwardhan

Hari M <onlyhari> Mon Aug 2, 2004 2:44 pm Re:

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