retograde planet in exaltation sign (2nd house Jup in varios roles-Ramadas Ji)

September 19, 2004

Dear All,

Would someon please let me know the rule, or if there is any reference

anywhere, as to how to assess a planet that is debilitated by being in its

exaltation sign and retrograde, but when the rules for neecha bangha are

applied they are fulfilled. Would the planet revert to being considered

exalted again???

Love,

Gili

>Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao

>vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep

>CC: vedic astrology

>Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 2nd house Jup in various roles--Ramadas

>Ji

>Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:46:45 +0300

>

>OM NAMO NAARAAYANAAYA

>Dear Vijaydas Pradeep,

>You are most welcome.So always a there is a difference between a

>planet in direct motion and Vakra Gathi.

>With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

>Ramadas Rao.

>

>-

>vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep

>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:42:40 -0000

>[vedic astrology] Re: 2nd house Jup in various roles--Ramadas Ji

>vedic astrology

>

>Dear Ramadas ji

>

>Thanks for this valuable information from Uttarakalamrita.

>My father has got Yogakaraka & Vargottama Shukra, exalted and placed

>in 3rd from lagna with lagna lord,but Vakra.Though he is a very good

>Orator,i expected much more from a Shukra of such strong nature,in

>music/performance arts etc.But from your explanation it becomes clear

>that it is due to Vakra Gathi.

>

>Respect

>Pradeep

>

>vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao

><ramadasrao> wrote:

> >

> > ` nmae naray[ay,

> >

> > om namo näräyaëäya|

> >

> > Namaste Tattwam - Asi,

> >

> > Here Lagna is Mithuna and Guru is Vakra in 2nd house in Kataka

>rashi which is his exaltation sign and is aspected by exalted Kuja

>who is 6th and 11th lord, a strong malefic for this chart.Now as per

>Uttara Kalamrita when exalted planet is vakra , it gives the results

>of debilitation.Similarly when a debilitated Vakra planet gives the

>results of exalted planet.So here exalted Guru is Vakra and so he

>gives the results of his debilitation and hence this gentleman lost

>all his property as Guru is Dhana Karaka.Another important point is

>that Guru (V) is placed in Gandanta and also in Ashlesha Nakshatra

>ruled by Budha who is also debilitated in his chart.

> >

> > I hope this helps.

> >

> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> >

> > Ramadas Rao.

> >

> > nameisego <nameisego> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr.Razdan,

> > Birth details of person in question are as follows.

> > Male

> > 7th April 1956

> > Bombay

> > At after noon 12.00.58

> > Please make your own observations

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > --- nameisego <nameisego> wrote:

> > >

> > > >Dear Mr Trivedi,

> > > Could you please give the Kundali specs of your old client. This

>is

> > an

> > > important observation we are discussing about Jup in 2nd house

> > giving

> > > poverty and the overall picture of the chart would greatly help

>in

> > > ruling out any other caus..

> > > Pran Razdan

> > > >

> > > > Hello Mukund ji,

> > > > Yes your understanding isright.

> > > > It pertains to Janma Kundali .

> > > > Just the day before, this was proved by an old client who has

> > > > Jupiter in 2nd house.

> > > > He not only incurred losses of Millions of rupees but also is

>on

> > > > verge of Bancruptcy.

> > > > He forced his mother to sell off premium properties and after

> > selling

> > > >

> > > > it she lives in a small flat in Bombay.

> > > > He sold off shop and is now at home.

> > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> > <monmuk111>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Mr. Trivedi:

> > > > >

> > > > > Does this dictum about Jupiter apply to its placement in

>birth

> > > > chart

> > > > > or Jupiter in 2nd from Moon during transit?

> > > > >

> > > > > The reason I ask is because all the classics say that

>Jupiter

> > > > > transiting 2nd from Moon gives very good results. But, the

> > dictum

> > > > you

> > > > > noted below says opposite.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm quite sure your dictum applies to birth chart rather

>than

> > > > > transit, but please confirm.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > Mukund

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "nameisego"

> > > > <nameisego>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello Yogesh,

> > > > > > Self has always believed in dictum

> > > > > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhi karau Shani"

> > > > > > This dictum says that your family life must have been

>greatly

> > got

> > > >

> > > > > > affected and peace destroyed due to Guru in 2nd.

> > > > > > Also financial losses are indicated .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <boxdel>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Yogesh,

> > > > > > > You should have had a good period as Jupiter is in own

> > house.

> > > > Now

> > > > > > doubt

> > > > > > > some problems could have been there as jupiter is also

>11th

> > > > > lord ,

> > > > > > > perhaps in second half of the Jup Antar. Some travel or

> > even

> > > > > > marriage,

> > > > > > > if not already married in 2003 as Jupiter had joined the

> > 7th in

> > > >

> > > > > > transit

> > > > > > > then. Some problems regarding associates could have

>arisen

> > in

> > > > > 2003.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jitjag wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > hi Mukund and Chandrashekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have Venus and Jupiter in Second house ...

>My

> > birth

> > > >

> > > > > > details

> > > > > > > > is as follow ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Birth date : 5th March 1975

> > > > > > > > Time : 7.00 AM

> > > > > > > > Place Bombay , India ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have just passed thru the Jupiter in Venus Maha

>dasa...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mukund and Chandreshkhar ji , Do you want to analyze

>it ?

> > I

> > > > > will

> > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > my exp. of same period. later sometime...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bye ,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yogesh Shah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mukund,

> > > > > > > > If my memory serves me right that is only

>applicable

> > if

> > > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > occupies own house in 2nd. Why not check

>horoscopes

> > of

> > > > > > persons

> > > > > > > > with Jupiter in 2nd to find out what is right?

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > monmuk111 wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> Hello Chandraji:

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> There is some confusion as to "Jupiter in 2nd,

>harms

> > the

> > > >

> > > > > > 2nd." You

> > > > > > > >> may be making an error saying this.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> I clearly remember reading in one of Sanjay's

>books

> > and

> > > > > also

> > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > >> discussed here that "Karak Bhava Naso" dictum

> > doesn't

> > > > > apply

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >> Jupiter and Sun, i.e. Jupiter in 9th and Sun in

>9th

> > > > > enhance

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >> qualities of the 9th house rather than destroy it.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Can you please enlighten us with further

> > explanations.

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Mukund

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> vedic astrology,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <boxdel>

> > > > > > > >> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > >> > It would. A stronger Jupiter there would,

>likely,

> > > > cause

> > > > > > more harm

> > > > > > > >> than

> > > > > > > >> > weaker one. Only exception would be when he is

>in

> > own

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > >> > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, and others,

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > A wonderful topic indeed. It would be nice if

> > the

> > > > > > following

> > > > > > > >> queries

> > > > > > > >> > > are replied although I am deviating from the

> > topic

> > > > at

> > > > > > hand.

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > 1. If Jup is in the 2nd house, would it harm

>the

> > > > > > > >> significations of

> > > > > > > >> > > the 2nd house e.g wealth.

> > > > > > > >> > > 2. What would be the effects of a 2nd house

> > > > > Debilitated

> > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > >> > > 3.What would be the effects of a 2nd house

> > Exalted

> > > > Jup.

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > >> > > Mumbai

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > vedic-

> > astrology, "poolaat"

> > > > > > <poolaat>

> > > > > > > >> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > Dear Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > What is the validity of the statement -

>Jupiter

> > > > harms

> > > > > > the house

> > > > > > > >> he

> > > > > > > >> > > > occupies, can you please explain this with

> > > > examples ?

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > Poolaat.

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > -- In vedic astrology,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > >> <boxdel>

> > > > > > > >> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > Dear David,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > Jupiter harms the house he occupies. His

> > Joining

> > > >

> > > > > > Moon who

> > > > > > > >> > > represents

> > > > > > > >> > > > > Manas (mind), would obviously give mental

> > > > tension

> > > >

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September 23, 2004

OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

Dear Gili Ji,

If you refer Uttara Kalamrita,Shloka No.6, it tells what I have

written.Actually if you refer the archives, may be an year or half

before,samething has been discussed and at that time also I quoted the

same Shloka of Uttra Kalamrita where it says a planet in exaltation

and retrograde it gives results of its sign of debilitation and vice

versa.

I hope this helps you.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:22:09 +0000, Gili Mary <xapsarax wrote:

> Dear All,

> Would someon please let me know the rule, or if there is any reference

> anywhere, as to how to assess a planet that is debilitated by being in its

> exaltation sign and retrograde, but when the rules for neecha bangha are

> applied they are fulfilled. Would the planet revert to being considered

> exalted again???

> Love,

> Gili

>

> >Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao

> >vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep

> >CC: vedic astrology

> >Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 2nd house Jup in various roles--Ramadas

> >Ji

> >Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:46:45 +0300

> >

> >OM NAMO NAARAAYANAAYA

> >Dear Vijaydas Pradeep,

> >You are most welcome.So always a there is a difference between a

> >planet in direct motion and Vakra Gathi.

> >With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> >Ramadas Rao.

> >

> >-

> >vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep

> >Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:42:40 -0000

> >[vedic astrology] Re: 2nd house Jup in various roles--Ramadas Ji

> >vedic astrology

> >

> >Dear Ramadas ji

> >

> >Thanks for this valuable information from Uttarakalamrita.

> >My father has got Yogakaraka & Vargottama Shukra, exalted and placed

> >in 3rd from lagna with lagna lord,but Vakra.Though he is a very good

> >Orator,i expected much more from a Shukra of such strong nature,in

> >music/performance arts etc.But from your explanation it becomes clear

> >that it is due to Vakra Gathi.

> >

> >Respect

> >Pradeep

> >

> >vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao

> ><ramadasrao> wrote:

> > >

> > > ` nmae naray[ay,

> > >

> > > om namo näräyaëäya|

> > >

> > > Namaste Tattwam - Asi,

> > >

> > > Here Lagna is Mithuna and Guru is Vakra in 2nd house in Kataka

> >rashi which is his exaltation sign and is aspected by exalted Kuja

> >who is 6th and 11th lord, a strong malefic for this chart.Now as per

> >Uttara Kalamrita when exalted planet is vakra , it gives the results

> >of debilitation.Similarly when a debilitated Vakra planet gives the

> >results of exalted planet.So here exalted Guru is Vakra and so he

> >gives the results of his debilitation and hence this gentleman lost

> >all his property as Guru is Dhana Karaka.Another important point is

> >that Guru (V) is placed in Gandanta and also in Ashlesha Nakshatra

> >ruled by Budha who is also debilitated in his chart.

> > >

> > > I hope this helps.

> > >

> > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> > >

> > > Ramadas Rao.

> > >

> > > nameisego <nameisego> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr.Razdan,

> > > Birth details of person in question are as follows.

> > > Male

> > > 7th April 1956

> > > Bombay

> > > At after noon 12.00.58

> > > Please make your own observations

> > >

> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > --- nameisego <nameisego> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >Dear Mr Trivedi,

> > > > Could you please give the Kundali specs of your old client. This

> >is

> > > an

> > > > important observation we are discussing about Jup in 2nd house

> > > giving

> > > > poverty and the overall picture of the chart would greatly help

> >in

> > > > ruling out any other caus..

> > > > Pran Razdan

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello Mukund ji,

> > > > > Yes your understanding isright.

> > > > > It pertains to Janma Kundali .

> > > > > Just the day before, this was proved by an old client who has

> > > > > Jupiter in 2nd house.

> > > > > He not only incurred losses of Millions of rupees but also is

> >on

> > > > > verge of Bancruptcy.

> > > > > He forced his mother to sell off premium properties and after

> > > selling

> > > > >

> > > > > it she lives in a small flat in Bombay.

> > > > > He sold off shop and is now at home.

> > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Mr. Trivedi:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does this dictum about Jupiter apply to its placement in

> >birth

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > or Jupiter in 2nd from Moon during transit?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The reason I ask is because all the classics say that

> >Jupiter

> > > > > > transiting 2nd from Moon gives very good results. But, the

> > > dictum

> > > > > you

> > > > > > noted below says opposite.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm quite sure your dictum applies to birth chart rather

> >than

> > > > > > transit, but please confirm.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "nameisego"

> > > > > <nameisego>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello Yogesh,

> > > > > > > Self has always believed in dictum

> > > > > > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhi karau Shani"

> > > > > > > This dictum says that your family life must have been

> >greatly

> > > got

> > > > >

> > > > > > > affected and peace destroyed due to Guru in 2nd.

> > > > > > > Also financial losses are indicated .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <boxdel>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Yogesh,

> > > > > > > > You should have had a good period as Jupiter is in own

> > > house.

> > > > > Now

> > > > > > > doubt

> > > > > > > > some problems could have been there as jupiter is also

> >11th

> > > > > > lord ,

> > > > > > > > perhaps in second half of the Jup Antar. Some travel or

> > > even

> > > > > > > marriage,

> > > > > > > > if not already married in 2003 as Jupiter had joined the

> > > 7th in

> > > > >

> > > > > > > transit

> > > > > > > > then. Some problems regarding associates could have

> >arisen

> > > in

> > > > > > 2003.

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jitjag wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > hi Mukund and Chandrashekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have Venus and Jupiter in Second house ...

> >My

> > > birth

> > > > >

> > > > > > > details

> > > > > > > > > is as follow ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Birth date : 5th March 1975

> > > > > > > > > Time : 7.00 AM

> > > > > > > > > Place Bombay , India ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have just passed thru the Jupiter in Venus Maha

> >dasa...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mukund and Chandreshkhar ji , Do you want to analyze

> >it ?

> > > I

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > my exp. of same period. later sometime...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bye ,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yogesh Shah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mukund,

> > > > > > > > > If my memory serves me right that is only

> >applicable

> > > if

> > > > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > occupies own house in 2nd. Why not check

> >horoscopes

> > > of

> > > > > > > persons

> > > > > > > > > with Jupiter in 2nd to find out what is right?

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > monmuk111 wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> Hello Chandraji:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> There is some confusion as to "Jupiter in 2nd,

> >harms

> > > the

> > > > >

> > > > > > > 2nd." You

> > > > > > > > >> may be making an error saying this.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> I clearly remember reading in one of Sanjay's

> >books

> > > and

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > >> discussed here that "Karak Bhava Naso" dictum

> > > doesn't

> > > > > > apply

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >> Jupiter and Sun, i.e. Jupiter in 9th and Sun in

> >9th

> > > > > > enhance

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >> qualities of the 9th house rather than destroy it.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Can you please enlighten us with further

> > > explanations.

> > > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Mukund

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> vedic astrology,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <boxdel>

> > > > > > > > >> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > > >> > It would. A stronger Jupiter there would,

> >likely,

> > > > > cause

> > > > > > > more harm

> > > > > > > > >> than

> > > > > > > > >> > weaker one. Only exception would be when he is

> >in

> > > own

> > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > >> > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > >> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, and others,

> > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > A wonderful topic indeed. It would be nice if

> > > the

> > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > >> queries

> > > > > > > > >> > > are replied although I am deviating from the

> > > topic

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > hand.

> > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > 1. If Jup is in the 2nd house, would it harm

> >the

> > > > > > > > >> significations of

> > > > > > > > >> > > the 2nd house e.g wealth.

> > > > > > > > >> > > 2. What would be the effects of a 2nd house

> > > > > > Debilitated

> > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > >> > > 3.What would be the effects of a 2nd house

> > > Exalted

> > > > > Jup.

> > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > > >> > > Mumbai

> > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > vedic-

> > > astrology, "poolaat"

> > > > > > > <poolaat>

> > > > > > > > >> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Dear Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > What is the validity of the statement -

> >Jupiter

> > > > > harms

> > > > > > > the house

> > > > > > > > >> he

> > > > > > > > >> > > > occupies, can you please explain this with

> > > > > examples ?

> > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Poolaat.

> > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > -- In vedic astrology,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > >> <boxdel>

> > > > > > > > >> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Dear David,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Jupiter harms the house he occupies. His

> > > Joining

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon who

> > > > > > > > >> > > represents

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Manas (mind), would obviously give mental

> > > > > tension

> > > > >

> > > > === message truncated ===

> > > >

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> >

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

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> > >

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> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > >

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> > >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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