RE: More on Varnada Lagna..to Visti (JHora and Varnada Lagna Clarification)

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Narasimha P.V.R.

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01 July 2004 03:48

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[vedic astrology] More on

Varnada Lagna..to Visti (Re: JHora and Varnada Lagna Clarification)

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font-family:Arial">Here Rama Krishna

font-family:Arial">Namaste Visti and others,

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font-family:Arial">> Take Dr. B.V. Raman's example. VL is in Cancer. The

11th is Taurus and owned

> by Venus. Jupiter does not have sign aspect (that is what you prescribed)

on

> either Taurus or Venus. Does it mean he was not a teacher? The same holds

> for Sanjay ji. His VL is in Li. The 11th is Leo. The 11th lord is Sun.

> Neither has Jupiter's sign aspect. Both are known as great teachers.

>

> [Visti] Good – now can you count on your fingers how much money

Sanjayji has

> earned from teaching? Remember this is a question of sustenance and not

> ability. Ability is seen from Navämça. KN Rao’s chart does not have

the

> influence of Venus, but does have the influence of a strong Jupiter

– and he

> has earned a lot from traveling and teaching.

>

> If 89 out of 100 people have the combination required for being

> an astrology teacher (i.e. it is a common combination) and yet two of the

> greatest astrology teachers do not have it, what good is the combination?

>

> [Visti] Regarding the two great astrologers, I have clarified above.

font-family:Arial">Well, you have not clarified. You did not say

a word about Dr. Raman. If earning money is the criterion, Dr. Raman certainly

made his career and money from spreading the astrology knowledge.

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] I don’t know that much about BV Raman to

speak with sureness about his earnings. Which chart do you use for him? I find

Jupiter having Graha dåñöi on the 11th from VL.

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font-family:Arial">Even in the case of Pt. Sanjay Rath, your argument on

"how much money" he made from Jyotish teaching raises important

questions. Parasara explicitly taught us to see the sources of income from the

11th from AL.

Why are we mixing that up with VL? If VL shows the sources of income, it

encroaches on the territories covered by AL

and HL.

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Source can mean 3 or 4 things in my

understanding;

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Those

people/investments which give wealth (11th from al)

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">The available

resources which give wealth (hl) (sometimes actions incase of Graha dåñöi)

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font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">The work which gives wealth (11th

from vl)

font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">Those who wish to give you wealth (11th

from lagna)

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font-family:Arial">Suppose a very learned Brahmin priest has money he inherited

from his ancestors. Suppose his sustenance comes from that money. Suppose he

performs religious cermonies, teaches astrology and gives astrological readings

FOR FREE. Suppose he directs

everybody who wants to pay him for his Brahminical services to offer a donation

to a temple instead. Thus, his sustenance is not coming from those activities.

However, it is those activities that define the function he is serving in

society. What is the varna

of that person then? Because he does not make "much money" from these

activities, will you say that his varna

is not Jupiterian???

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Then we are not talking about 11th from

Varëada lagna anymore. If you see the chart of Sri Achyuta Dasa, Varëada lagna

can fall in Libra and its lord Venus is exalted in Pisces. However the 11th

lord from Libra – the Sun has no association with neither Jupiter nor Venus.

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font-family:Arial">I totally disagree with linking one's varna to "how much

money" one makes

in which activity. Though one's varna is often

linked to one's source of sustenance, it is the dharma one upholds that

defines one's varna

(more than the amount of money made).

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font-family:Arial">Varnada means "giver of varna". Varna is a word tough to translate into

English. Crude translations are caste, class or socialogical stratum. But they

are not good translations. Basically, different varnas serve different

functions (or duties or dharma) in society. Brahmanas have one dharma in

society, kshatriyas have another dharma etc. As denoted by the term

"varnaasrama dharma", varnas are basically a matter of dharma. The

word dharma is often used in conjunction with the word varna.

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font-family:Arial">One who follows the dharma of a Brahmana is of Brahmana varna in varnaasrama

dharma, irrespective of how much money he makes in which activity.

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] ‘da’ can also refer to the primary

objectives that Brahma gave to the Manushya, Rakñasa and Deva, when they

enquired what their goals were. Hence the translation as ‘function’

and ‘dharma’ would suit this. Because Varëa also can be translated

as color, i.e. a method of distinction, or a color you take on, i.e. occupy

yourself with hence occupation. The Varëada Lagna hence indicates your required

color in society, and the houses from VL shows the various colors you must take

on for various objectives – depending on the sign. The 11th from

Varëada lagna hence shows the color you take on to earn wealth, and hence also

which color will bring those earnings.

bold;font-style:italic">This maybe different from the color of the Varëada lagna

itself - this shows your own color/occupation in society, i.e. which Varëa

defines yourself, and which colors/activities will increase your name/fame.

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bold;font-style:italic">Now for some of my own personal ramblings;

bold;font-style:italic">Is the Varëada lagna a matter of perception/self

identification like the Ärüòha Lagna or is it given to us? If we draw a similarity

between the origin of ‘da’ (refer above) and the power of Varëada lagna

to sustain us, then it seems that this is not a matter of self identification

but a matter of self-actualization/expression in other words – an opportunity

to realize something. If this is so, and the purpose of the Varëada lagna is to

sustain, then this may give us a clue in the calculation of the Varëada lagna.

bold;font-style:italic">If we omit degrees in the calculation of Varëada lagna,

then the VL can never fall in a sign of the same oddity as the lagna. i.e. if

Lagna is an odd sign, then VL will never fall in an odd sign, and vice versa. This

leads us to the philosophy of masculine and feminine. i.e. one is needed to

sustain the other, and a lack of the same causes an imbalance. In a sense, one

feeds the other. But if the use of degrees is committed, then this definition

of masculine and feminine is not prevailent.

bold;font-style:italic">This however doesn’t mean that one cannot use

degrees with the Varëada lagna, the degree of the Lagna is used to define the cusp

of each Bhäva, and hence also the cusp of the Ärüòha’s – this may

similarly be applied with Varëada lagna.

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font-family:Arial">BTW, thanks for pointing out that navamsa is the chart for

seeing abilities. I do know that.

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font-family:Arial">As one's varna is closely

linked to the dharma one follows (which is seen in navamsa), it is not totally

illogical to actually look at VL in navamsa (and perhaps navamsa-dwadasamsa to

see the varna

of birth).

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font-family:Arial">For example, is it a mere coincidence that Pt. Sanjay Rath

and I both have Jupiter in VL in navamsa? Does it show that the varna dharma we

follow is Jupiterian,

i.e. Brahmana varna

dharma? May be it does. Or may be not.

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font-family:Arial">Definitely, more work is needed on VL. It should not be

mixed up with AL,

HL, GL etc and the difference must be clearly understood. The first step is to

understand what exactly varna

means. Varna is

not a profession or a source of income. It is the function fulfilled in

society.

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] I fully agree with the last sentence– but

now you have 12 houses from Varëada lagna, and hence also 12 functions, each

indicating a method of functioning for a purpose. That’s why the 11th

from Varëada lagna has to do with ones earnings, but the Varëada lagna itself

has nothing to do with the earnings.

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font-family:Arial">> [Visti] I asked this same question to Guruji when he

taught Varëada lagna,

> and he said that the 7th was only important when there’s talk of

someone

> else being responsible for the actual income – i.e. take the example

of

> house-wives. Similarly the 11th from the 7th is the 5th, and hence

indicates

> the support you get incase of rulership. He hence told me to ignore this

> principle for the average charts.

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font-family:Arial">The first house and 7th house are the sthanas of Brahma and

Shiva and both important. The 7th house received a lot of importance in many of

Jaimini's teachings. For example, though most astrologers see the 3rd from AL to see the

environment/nature of death, Jaimini's instruction was to see the 3rd from the

stronger of AL and A7. Various other principles mention the 7th house along

with lagna.

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font-family:Arial">If one says that only 1st house should be considered in

various principles in "average charts" and 7th in some special

charts, I have to disagree. After all, we start Narayana dasa from 7th house

(instead of lagna) even in several "average charts". I don't think

the importance given to 7th house, 7th from VL, arudha of 7th etc has to do

with some charts not being "average" charts. Sanjay ji probably gave

that advice to you with a specific short-term goal in mind. If he really thinks

that 7th should be ignored in these principles of Jaimini, I will then have to

disagree with him too.

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Your statements are logical, but we cannot draw

similarities between principles this easily – the 1st and 7th

from lagna are both indicators of satya (that there is a beginning and an end)

but the Varëada lagna is not attached to satya, it is actually well immersed in

Maya, hence this principle cannot be applied this easily in the case of Varëada

lagna. Jaimini did not indicate that one can use the 1st/7th

from AL, instead he was specific in mentioning al/a7 for death, but not the 3rd/9th

from al.

bold;font-style:italic">The 7th house from Varëada Lagna is not the

same color as the Varëada lagna – the self, so we first need to define

why it should be used as a focal point, and how it’s different. The 7th

house indicates relationships and partnerships; hence this will indicate what

we can do to sustain relationships, as well as the support we get to do so. Now

even the 5th house has its separate color, so did he ever refer to

the 7th house or is he only interested in the 5th? Looking

at the 5th house from VL, it will indicate children, followers,

knowledge, mantra’s, etc. Hence the 5th from VL must be used

to see the support we get from these as well as the opportunities we get to

sustain/increase them.

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May Jupiter's light shine on us,

font-family:Arial">Narasimha

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