Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Daer Smt Rita ji, Dear SMT Rita Data SON DOB 10 June 1988 POB Fermont California TOB 10:44. General analysis. Astrological Birth time. The given data indicates . 1. Elder should be male sibling. But to my memory it is a girl. So Error of eight minutes is possible. 2. Birth time 10:51:54 gives Elder sister. Possibility of abortion of next younger child or family planning operation. 3. If it is really so, next we can examine fathers job status which is unstable.D12 has Virgo rising. Father is seen from IX and Sun . Venus and Sun are enemy. 2/12 relation ship is uncomfortable. Dasa bhukti between 2002 to 2005 are of Venus- sani. Sani is Retrograde aspecting IX and incidently both planets are Retrograde. 4. D-24 indicates education Sani is in Sixth. As per principle of Sri Sheshadri iyer studies between April 2002 to June 2005 are going to remain disturbed. 5. D12 also indicates Mother. Moon is placed in Lagna aspected by Sat Lord of Divisional lagna is placed in Eight house. 6. what more is needed to cause multferrus worries. To father and mother ..Venus too is under aspect of Mars in D12. Therefore astrological birth time appears to be around 10:51:54. General trends are hinted above in short. If pattern is correct please respond then only further future trends can be seen. Child is undergoing yogni sub dasa of Mangal( Bhramari) under Mahadasa of Siddha from Dec 2004 to Nov 2004 Relation ship we have already examined so behaviour of child shall be tempramental as well as of anger. After Nov 2005 slow change may occur . Child is running under char dasa of Dhanu from 2004 June to June 2008,Usually it is said to be dangerious dasa with respect to mental status. Birth Nak belongs to Savya Nakshtra Param ayus is 83 because Moon Sign is in Agni tattwa . Child is in main dasa of Tula- Venus and Sub Dasa of Virgo-Merc, In entry chart Libra Mahadasa lord is Aspected by Rahu , Saturn sun and Merc all malefic except Merc alas he too is eight lord. So the situation of various dasa show different aspect of current time to be bad at functional( char dasa). Mental level ( Vimshottari dasa) and divine level( Kalchakra dasa).circuimstancial level ( Yogni dasa) Please ignore if trends do not tally as indicated. Chart may not be fitting to your child for the time so assumed . Hari om tatsat. RCS. Hari om Tatsat. - <vedic astrology> <vedic astrology> Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:29 AM [vedic astrology] Digest Number 2585 There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Re: [Vedavyasa] Re: Kalachakra Dasa Analysis of Sri Jayendra Saraswathi "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr 2. Re: Kalachakra Navamsa Chart Discrepancy "pvr108" <pvr 3. hey "twistedfairy999" <twistedfairy999 4. #3 Please analyze (ard Mom) "Nitin" <astronitin 5. #2 hey "Nitin" <astronitin 6. #2 Question about Argala/Virodh Argala "Nitin" <astronitin 7. #3 family life "Nitin" <astronitin 8. Manglik Dosha "Aum" <studd2hott 9. Please analyze my son horoscope ( MIT) "Rita" <ritas69_sg 10. Kalchakra navamsa "R.C.Srivastava" <swami_rcs 11. Missing - Can we get some feedback ? Anand <shivaji 12. Jup Dasa and Share Market shunny nigam <shunny65 13. Archive mails 5000-17000 are now available for downloading "J. Weiss" <jayhw 14. Re: Need to know some clues PNRazdan <pnrazdan 15. Re: Please analyze my son horoscope ( MIT) Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001 16. Astro©Magus 1.0 - a new Jyotish software "AstroMagus" <bogdan 17. Re: Re: [Vedavyasa] Re: Kalachakra Dasa Analysis of Sri Jayendra Saraswathi Chandrashekhar <boxdel 18. Please help.. "ard_mom" <ard_mom 19. #2 Manglik Dosha "Nitin" <astronitin 20. #3 Please analyze my son horoscope ( MIT) "Nitin" <astronitin 21. Re: Kalchakra navamsa Chandrashekhar <boxdel 22. Re: Need to know some clues Chandrashekhar <boxdel 23. Pls Help me "vinu_binu" <vinu_binu 24. Ketu in 7th House --married life . help "nchadala" <nchadala 25. Re: Re: [Vedavyasa] Re: Kalachakra Dasa Analysis of Sri Jayendra Saraswathi "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:25:51 -0500 "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr Re: Re: [Vedavyasa] Re: Kalachakra Dasa Analysis of Sri Jayendra Saraswathi Namaste Chandrashekhar ji, Please refer to verse 100 in chapter 46 (in the Santhanam version of BPHS). It says "meena vrischikayoh chaapa meshayoh saimhiki gatih". This means that the leap between Pisces and Scorpio and that between Sagittarius and Aries is called Saimhiki. Chaapa meshayoh means between dhanus and mesha. It covers Ar to Sg and Sg to Ar both. When Parasara went over some of these leaps for further details, he did not mention Ar to Sg. You seem to be reading too much into that non-mention. But he clearly covered both the cases in verse 46-100. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha - Chandrashekhar Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Cc: vedic astrology ; prajakta pole ; Raman Suprajarama Monday, November 29, 2004 2:37 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: [Vedavyasa] Re: Kalachakra Dasa Analysis of Sri Jayendra Saraswathi Dear Narasimha, Could you point me to the shloka which tells Aries moving on to Sagittarius is called Simhavalokana Gati by Parashara? I do not find the shloka in my edition of BPHS. I find the gatis mentioned by Rasis only in shloka 99 and 100 Chapter 48. The shlokas mention Sagittarius jumping to Aries and Pisces jumping over to Scorpio, but not the reverse as indicated by you. Perhaps you have some other edition. Kindly post the shlokas, so that the confusion about using only gatis sanctioned by Parashara by specific mention being necessary, as against using those indicated by him though not specifically mentioned is removed. Chandrashekhar. Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote: Namaste Chandrashekhar ji, I am afraid your understanding is not right. The movements from Sg to Ar, Ar to Sg, Pi to Sc and Sc to Pi were all called Simhavalokana gati by Parasara. He did mention all of them. If you say that jumps like Cn to Pi or Ge to Cp are acceptable, I can certainly not agree. My position is that Parasara would have mentioned all special gatis. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha - Chandrashekhar vyasa Cc: vedic astrology ; prajakta pole ; Raman Suprajarama Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:50 PM Re: [Vedavyasa] Re: Kalachakra Dasa Analysis of Sri Jayendra Saraswathi Dear Narasimha, You are using a different approach to Antardasha calculation for Kalachakra dasha which has been elaborated by you at length. I have one query. You have said, in support of the argument that since the leap from Ge to Cp is not mentioned, that can not be the order. My question is that if we assume nothing out side the leaps mentioned should be the correct order for Antardasha, then same parameter should also exist in the Mahadasha. Now, to my knowledge, and I could be wrong, three leaps are mentioned in texts. These are Manduka, Markati of Turaga and Simhavalokana. These are all leaps backwards, first is a leap skipping one sign, next going back one sign and third is skipping more than one sign backwards. ( There are difference in opinion between various authorities on exactly what do these constitute but let us not complicate the subject at this point). Now having accepted these as the only possible movements allowable, how do we interpret the movement from Mesha to Dhanu as for 2nd pada of Dhanishtha? Is such a leap mentioned by either Parashara or Shiva or any other text? Not being mentioned in the texts do we take the Mahadasha order to be wrong? Another point I would like to know from you ,Raman and Rama Naryayana is what parameters are used to calculate the Bhukta and Bhogya Mahadasha at birth? The question might appear to be very elementary to all you worthies, but since the Purnaayu is applicable to Nakshtra Charana, I would like to know whether the proportion is applied to the first Mahadasha or the entire Purnaayu. Chandrashekhar. ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Sponsor ---------- Links vedic astrology/ b.. vedic astrology c.. Terms of Service. [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Wed, 01 Dec 2004 03:25:38 -0000 "pvr108" <pvr Re: Kalachakra Navamsa Chart Discrepancy Namaste, This is not a "preliminary" question. On one hand, there is an explicit teaching by Parasara that was agreed to by many scholars. On the other hand, there are philosophical questions on the order of navamsa rulerships, basis of mandooki and markati gatis and the basis of Kalachakra dasa cycle definitions. I will keep quiet for now... May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > Dear Narasimha, > > Namaste. Thank you for your response and interest shown regarding kalachakra diagram. i have one small question. i know the question is too preliminary for your high standards. Kindly explain to me as to where you will place Moon in poorvaphalguni 1st pada and what will be the dasa pattern for the same. > > With warm regards & respects, > > Astrologically yours, > p.s.ramanarayanan. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:59:25 -0000 "twistedfairy999" <twistedfairy999 hey i am new and i don't even know. Is an aries and a sagitarius a good match. I'm a sag, my boyfriend an aries. I think we are. It seems that way. Romeo and Juliet lived by astrology thinking the way the planets were lined up determined love. I beleive that too. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 4 Wed, 01 Dec 2004 03:51:23 -0000 "Nitin" <astronitin #3 Please analyze (ard Mom) ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| Dear.? I am attaching the chart of your child, below to this e-mail for your reference. Because of an afflicted Moon, there are indications of challenges and suffering to the Mother. Because of the Sarpa Yoga, the child himself will find struggles in life, as if in the grips of a serpent feeling caught in life. Because of the Chara Karaka replacement(s), the person will experience intense lessons of the jeevatman when time allows. This is the primary concern as compared to the above. The AtmaKaraka afflicted (yet also in a situation to alleviate all mentioned above), the Ishta has to be called upon when possible. This could be a form as represented by Mars or Ketu. (Narasimha / Matsaya Avatars) http://www..org/learn/ck.htm Since he is too young to recite Mantras now, imagery of the Ishta (Lions / Turtles, etc.) in creative manners may help. Once again, the recitation of the Maha Mrityunjaya (by you, the Father, or both) will help in health related issues. http://www.srath.com/mantra/mrityunjaya.htm This is only one person's view. I hope the others can add more to this. Good luck to you and your family. Best wishes and warm regards, Nitin. || Namah Shivaaya || ==================================== Sri Nitin ji, Sorry again. Pardon my haste again.. DOB: 20th August 2003 TOB: 16:52 EST USA POB: Bridgewater, NJ, USA > > > "ard_mom" <ard_mom> > Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:29 am > Please help me.. PLEASE REPLY... > > Dear Learned Sir, > > I am very disturbed since the birth of our son and would like to > know how the planetory positions are for him. Here are the details > of my son: > > DOB: August 20th 2003 > TOB: 16:52 EST USA > > Since his birth, there is a lot of unrest at home. Can you please > predict his future, mainly health, general well-being, both good and > bad. And anything we can do to help this condition?? > I will be very greatful to you for your help. > Please help. I have no other hope.. > > Regards. > ======================= > > "ard_mom" <ard_mom> > Sat Nov 27, 2004 9:53 pm > Please analyze > > Respected Sir, > Here are the birth details of our son. > DOB: August 20 2003. > TOB: 16:52 EST USA > > Can you please analyse his health and general well being? > > Regards. ========== _ard_mom Natal Chart August 20, 2003 Time: 15:52:00 Time Zone: 4:00:00 (West of GMT) Place: 74 W 37' 00", 40 N 36' 00" Bridgewater, NJ, USA Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Subhanu - Sravana Tithi: Krishna Navami (Su) (78.12% left) Vedic Weekday: Wednesday (Me) Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (84.19% left) Yoga: Vyaghata (Ve) Karana: Taitula (Me) Hora Lord: Saturn (5 min sign: Le) Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Ge) Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:16:45 Sunset: 19:45:42 Janma Ghatis: 23.9687 Ayanamsa: 23-54-13.76 Sidereal Time: 12:48:28 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 27 Sc 28' 05.82" Jye 4 Sc Pi Sun - DK 3 Le 28' 54.92" Makh 2 Le Ta Moon - PiK 12 Ta 06' 28.69" Rohi 1 Ta Ar Mars ® - MK 13 Aq 10' 33.50" Sata 2 Aq Cp Mercury - AK 29 Le 51' 26.10" UPha 1 Le Sg Jupiter - PK 4 Le 40' 19.08" Makh 2 Le Ta Venus - GK 4 Le 03' 34.05" Makh 2 Le Ta Saturn - BK 15 Ge 39' 01.08" Ardr 3 Ge Aq Rahu - AmK 0 Ta 51' 00.29" Krit 2 Ta Cp Ketu 0 Sc 51' 00.29" Visa 4 Sc Cn Maandi 12 Li 55' 06.17" Swat 2 Li Cp Gulika 2 Li 58' 36.49" Chit 3 Li Li Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Moon Moon 2002-01-18 Mars 2002-11-20 Rah 2003-06-19 Jup 2004-12-19 Sat 2006-04-18 Merc 2007-11-20 Ket 2009-04-18 Ven 2009-11-20 Sun 2011-07-21 Mars Mars 2012-01-18 Rah 2012-06-15 Jup 2013-07-05 Sat 2014-06-10 Merc 2015-07-21 Ket 2016-07-17 Ven 2016-12-13 Sun 2018-02-11 Moon 2018-06-19 Rah Rah 2019-01-18 Jup 2021-10-03 Sat 2024-02-23 Merc 2027-01-01 Ket 2029-07-20 Ven 2030-08-08 Sun 2033-08-08 Moon 2034-07-02 Mars 2036-01-01 Jup Jup 2037-01-18 Sat 2039-03-07 Merc 2041-09-21 Ket 2043-12-26 Ven 2044-12-02 Sun 2047-08-03 Moon 2048-05-18 Mars 2049-09-21 Rah 2050-08-27 Sat Sat 2053-01-18 Merc 2056-01-22 Ket 2058-10-03 Ven 2059-11-12 Sun 2063-01-10 Moon 2063-12-23 Mars 2065-07-24 Rah 2066-09-03 Jup 2069-07-08 Merc Merc 2072-01-19 Ket 2074-06-16 Ven 2075-06-13 Sun 2078-04-12 Moon 2079-02-17 Mars 2080-07-20 Rah 2081-07-18 Jup 2084-02-03 Sat 2086-05-10 Ket Ket 2089-01-18 Ven 2089-06-16 Sun 2090-08-18 Moon 2090-12-23 Mars 2091-07-24 Rah 2091-12-20 Jup 2093-01-06 Sat 2093-12-14 Merc 2095-01-22 Ven Ven 2096-01-19 Sun 2099-05-20 Moon 2100-05-20 Mars 2102-01-19 Rah 2103-03-20 Jup 2106-03-20 Sat 2108-11-21 Merc 2112-01-20 Ket 2114-11-22 Sun Sun 2116-01-20 Moon 2116-05-07 Mars 2116-11-09 Rah 2117-03-14 Jup 2118-02-06 Sat 2118-11-28 Merc 2119-11-10 Ket 2120-09-16 Ven 2121-01-19 ========== ______________________ ______________________ Message: 5 Wed, 01 Dec 2004 03:57:38 -0000 "Nitin" <astronitin #2 hey ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| Dear.? It may help to get details of the charts (such as the exact time, place and date of birth) in this forum of students trying to learn and share what they comprehend when it comes to Vedic Astrology. What you are stating may be an indication of The Sun in Aries for your boyfriend, and the Sun in Saggitarius for your chart, per the calculations of Western astrology, using the Tropical Zodiac. The 9th House in any chart is the guide. Some free online resources: www.vedicastrologer.org (Vedic Astrology) www.goravani.com (Vedic Astrology) www.astrologyzone.com (Western Astrology) http://www..org/learn/lessons.htm (Free online lessons) vedic astrology/message/46504 (Archives of this group) Good luck in your search. Nitin. || Namah Shivaaya || i am new and i don't even know. Is an aries and a sagitarius a good match. I'm a sag, my boyfriend an aries. I think we are. It seems that way. Romeo and Juliet lived by astrology thinking the way the planets were lined up determined love. I beleive that too. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 6 Wed, 01 Dec 2004 04:03:05 -0000 "Nitin" <astronitin #2 Question about Argala/Virodh Argala ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| Dear UM, Allow me to share some of my understanding. Instead of the word "hamper" try substituting it with "influence." Classified benefic / malefic are trying to give us an indication of whether these influencing bodies are harsher / nurturing in nature, amongst other specific descriptions on quality. One thing to keep in mind is that those planets causing Argala to the houses they naturally signify *force* the results. For example, Mars in the 7th House in any chart, having an Argala to the 4th (Mars is significator for land, hence a 4th House connection), these people are very protective about matters of the home. Some more resources: http://www..org/learn/practical_use_of_argala.htm http://www.srigaruda.com/archives/argala.htm Nitin. || Namah Shivaaya || Dear Learned members, Let us say there is significant Virodh argala casused by benefic planets on a house/body we are trying to analyze. By being Virodh argala, does it hamper the significations of the body analysed, albeit the bodies casuing the argala may be benefic ? What are the general guide lines for drawing concusions on Virodh argala. Any feedback is welcome. UM ______________________ ______________________ Message: 7 Wed, 01 Dec 2004 04:26:15 -0000 "Nitin" <astronitin #3 family life ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| Dear Raj, Allow me to share some of my understanding. You have the chart of a very spiritual person. One of the challenges of life will come from few revealing compassion toward you, whereas you having to do the same. Such is one way of looking at the lesson of the Chara Atmakaraka being the Moon in your chart. It really effects the self, ruling the 1st House, and challenging the sustenance of significant relationships, including that of marriage. The Moon beinf afflicted, one is recommended to call on the Ishta. This would be signified by the planet Venus in your chart. http://www..org/learn/ck.htm#_Toc25590630 Jupiter in Trines to the MantraPada (A5) would give direction to chanting. This is a good time to get a Mantra blessed form a Guru. There is indeed rivalry between you and your spouse, the lords of the AL and the UL being Shasastaka (6/8 relaitonship). Ketu with the Moon can indicate a reversal of her mindset / emotions frequently. Jupiter, the 2nd from the UL revealing the sustenance of the marriage is also under severe stress, receiving Rashi Drishti from Mars, Rahu, and sitting alongside Saturn. Worshipping a feminine form for Jupiter will also help you. However, just the Ishta Mantra is going to guide and help alleviate a lot of stress, based on what I see. Again, fasting on the day of the lord of the Upa Pada (Saturday in your case) will help, If possible. Hope some of this helps, and others can also add their views. Nitin. || Namah Shivaaya || I was born In New Delhi India at 1.05 Am on oct 3rd 1960. Currently I live in Cerritos Californai USA Thanks Raj --- Nitin <astronitin wrote: > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > Dear.? > > Whilst in haste you have forgotten to provide the > City / State / > Country of your child's birth. > > In order to get a snapshot of the Heavens at a > moment of time, it > helps to know where we are located.? > > Also, please clearly give your time of birth. > > Please re-post complete details to the list so some > of us could try to > assist you, in the best manner we can, if possible. > > Message 26309 on the Vedic-Astrology list refers to > the Upa / Vyaya / > Gauna Pada. For more harmonious relations, it is > recommended to fast > on the day of this Pada's lord. > > > vedic astrology/message/26309 > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > Nitin. > || Namah hivaaya || > > ================= > > I was born 3rd Oct 1960 at 1.AM ie midnight 2-3. > I am dealing with bad marriage and currently we are > seperated. > Sometimes me and wife try to get together other > times we hate > eachother. > > Whats in my future. > Please help > ================= > _46456_rajw2000_Raj Natal Chart October 3, 1960 Time: 1:05:00 am Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 12' 00", 28 N 36' 00" New Delhi, India Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Sharvari - Aswayuja Tithi: Sukla Trayodasi (Ju) (25.70% left) Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su) Nakshatra: Satabhishak (Ra) (5.91% left) Yoga: Ganda (Sa) Karana: Taitula (Me) Hora Lord: Saturn (5 min sign: Li) Mahakala Hora: Saturn (5 min sign: Vi) Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun) Sunrise: 6:17:07 am (October 2) Sunset: 6:03:13 pm (October 2) Janma Ghatis: 46.9950 Ayanamsa: 23-18-27.33 Sidereal Time: 1:29:52 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 8 Cn 14' 46.78" Push 2 Cn Vi Sun - BK 16 Vi 17' 41.55" Hast 2 Vi Ta Moon - AK 19 Aq 12' 40.88" Sata 4 Aq Pi Mars - PiK 12 Ge 22' 51.14" Ardr 2 Ge Cp Mercury - GK 8 Li 12' 09.12" Swat 1 Li Sg Jupiter - DK 3 Sg 14' 41.27" Mool 1 Sg Ar Venus - MK 13 Li 34' 15.16" Swat 3 Li Aq Saturn - AmK 18 Sg 44' 54.05" PSha 2 Sg Vi Rahu - PK 20 Le 48' 40.72" PPha 3 Le Li Ketu 20 Aq 48' 40.72" PBha 1 Aq Ar Maandi 25 Ta 18' 12.46" Mrig 1 Ta Le Gulika 13 Ta 40' 05.70" Rohi 2 Ta Ta Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Rah Rah 1943-10-27 Jup 1946-07-07 Sat 1948-12-01 Merc 1951-10-09 Ket 1954-04-23 Ven 1955-05-12 Sun 1958-05-12 Moon 1959-04-05 Mars 1960-10-08 Jup Jup 1961-10-26 Sat 1963-12-13 Merc 1966-06-25 Ket 1968-10-02 Ven 1969-09-08 Sun 1972-05-05 Moon 1973-02-22 Mars 1974-06-25 Rah 1975-05-31 Sat Sat 1977-10-26 Merc 1980-10-29 Ket 1983-07-08 Ven 1984-08-17 Sun 1987-10-18 Moon 1988-09-29 Mars 1990-04-27 Rah 1991-06-06 Jup 1994-04-11 Merc Merc 1996-10-26 Ket 1999-03-21 Ven 2000-03-17 Sun 2003-01-18 Moon 2003-11-26 Mars 2005-04-23 Rah 2006-04-20 Jup 2008-11-10 Sat 2011-02-13 Ket Ket 2013-10-27 Ven 2014-03-21 Sun 2015-05-22 Moon 2015-09-30 Mars 2016-04-26 Rah 2016-09-26 Jup 2017-10-15 Sat 2018-09-20 Merc 2019-10-30 Ven Ven 2020-10-26 Sun 2024-02-23 Moon 2025-02-22 Mars 2026-10-27 Rah 2027-12-26 Jup 2030-12-25 Sat 2033-08-27 Merc 2036-10-27 Ket 2039-08-27 Sun Sun 2040-10-27 Moon 2041-02-10 Mars 2041-08-14 Rah 2041-12-19 Jup 2042-11-14 Sat 2043-09-02 Merc 2044-08-14 Ket 2045-06-19 Ven 2045-10-27 Moon Moon 2046-10-27 Mars 2047-08-27 Rah 2048-03-24 Jup 2049-09-27 Sat 2051-01-24 Merc 2052-08-26 Ket 2054-01-24 Ven 2054-08-27 Sun 2056-04-23 Mars Mars 2056-10-27 Rah 2057-03-21 Jup 2058-04-09 Sat 2059-03-16 Merc 2060-04-23 Ket 2061-04-21 Ven 2061-09-20 Sun 2062-11-20 Moon 2063-03-25 ______________________ ______________________ Message: 8 Wed, 01 Dec 2004 05:25:57 -0000 "Aum" <studd2hott Manglik Dosha Jai Gurudeva and hi to all members, This is related to the Manglik Dosha. Manglik dosha has some factors which nullifies the yoga or cancels it. BV Raman has also given out few factors which nullify the yoga. Do these factors reduce the yoga or simply cancel it completely? The chart I am looking at has mars and moon in the 7th in aquarius. I have read resources where they say that mars conjuct moon or jupiter cancel the yoga, also BV Raman says mars in aquarius will nullify the yoga. I would appreciate any comments on this. Om Ganeshaya Namah, Sunit Mehta ______________________ ______________________ Message: 9 Wed, 01 Dec 2004 07:00:44 -0000 "Rita" <ritas69_sg Please analyze my son horoscope ( MIT) Hello All Gurus: Please send me the prediction for my son A ( Male) Date of Birth June 10th, 1988 Time of Birth 10:44am ( california time) USA Place of Birth : (Fremont) California, USA I am very much concern about his future and his hot tempered behaviour. Please advise what area he must concentrate for his future. Is he going thru any mahadasa of some kind. Regards ______________________ ______________________ Message: 10 Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:35:02 +0530 "R.C.Srivastava" <swami_rcs Kalchakra navamsa Dear sirs . I do not consider my self well conversant with KCD but have read all published material by Sarva Sri PVR ji ( His web site and Integrated astrology), Chugh, ( Yogni and Kalchakra dasa)K.N.Rao series of article in Times of astrology and various other article by surendran and others in Astrological magazine) ,Dr Raman Book on KCD, KCD book in hindi by Deewan Ram chandra Kapoor and writings by Late SRI R. Santhanam in TOA with large number of exercise. I am compiling current discussion but am finding hard to swallow some parts of it .I myself am yet to reach a decision and as learner only and want to learn more about it. But specially why KCD navamsa as known and applicable to available speculam and mathematical formule both be treated unreliable when large number of prediction are falling true in experience of those who have tried KCD. The Views of Sri Ramnarayanan and Sri Chandrashekhar are consistent & worth perusal, in light of available exposition summarized below. Is it necessary that hypothetically certain supposition should be valid? I hope you would not mind if i quote that Mr Chugh had explained specially about KCD Navamsa. And also followed by Sri Santhanam. in toto. However the formula given by Mr Chugh does not answer all cases but his tables are same as that by Sri Santhanam. For the moment I am quoting Mr Chugs opinion and its expansion by Sri Santhanam. After it let us consider what sri chandrashekar says is correct as per diffrent commentaries accessible . It is hoped my entry to discussion may not be treated as intrusion, If it is so please ignore this mail. Now the discussion is about KCD Navamsa. The navamsa position of moon or other planet as per the Kalchakra Dasa is the same for Savya group of Nakshatra. It is only the Apsayva group of Nakshatra they are different. A. Table for determining KCD Navamsa For Apsavya group. Navmas Quarter of Apsavya Nakshtra Scorpio First Rohni,Makha,Vishaka, Shravana Libra Second do Virgo Third Do Leo Fourth Do Cancer First Mrigasira,P Phalguni,Anuradha Dhanishta Gemini Second Do Taurus Third Do Aries Fourth Do Pisces First Arudha, U.Phalg Jyestha Satbhisa Aquarius Second Do Capricon Third Do Sagitt Fourth Do In example under discussion P Phalguni First pada is clearly in Cancer Navams as per table given above. If I reproduce tables as given by Mr Chugh the order of KCD Navamsa is totally logical and symmetrical. Extracts from Table 5.4 are given below. Nak First Second Third Fourth 1,7,13,19,25 Aries Taurus Gemini Cancer 2,8,14,20,26 Leo Virgo Libra Scorpio 3,9,15,21,27 Sagg Capri Aqua Pisc 4,10,16,22 Scorpio* Libra Virgo Leo 5,11,17,23 Cancer Gemini Taurus Aries 6,12,18,24 Pisc Aqua Capri Saggi To my memory as I studied KCD many years ago, Deewan Ramchandra Kapoor and Mr chugh has given formula for determining KCD navamsa. Unfortunately I could not understand it's second part. Both authors appears confused to me or may be I am lacking in correct application. Knowing KCD Navamsa is very important. It is commonly believed that Mahadasa results can not be given without it as same rasi dasa gives different result which is related with KCD Navamsa Position. Dr Raman and Sri Chugh has given likely results in enough detail. BPH has many slokas about the results of planet placement in KCD Navamsa. B Other issues. Logic mentioned is "unexpired portion of Dasa is followed by the expired portion of dasa."The entire dasa is like a circle. May it be direct like in Yogni, may it be Reverse motion or Jumping. This is logical in case of Drig, mandooka and chara dasa too.So balance at birth is to be worked out. Many follow this. Logic of Mirror image is wonderful as taught by Sh. Narasimha ji but why confusion in SUB PERIOD orders and duration.May be this requires research. For duration OF sub period Sri Narsimha explains beautifully the underlying principal and Mr Chugh has given Ready made tables to calculate easily. Mr Chugh and Dr Raman hinted the results of Sub period also . Dr Raman has given extensive results based on some manuscript. But how sub period runs and start and order wants needs confirmation by research minded people. Deewan has avoided discussion on sub period itself The discussion was started on quote by some expert traditional village astrologer. It will be real good fortune if that Gentleman share and add some insight to known application method to reach KCD acceptibality. More on KCD Navamsa IN next mail if intrusion in discussion is not disturbing. I will be happy if experts give opinion about order of SUBPERIOD based on their experience. Hari Om Tatsat. Chandrashekhar <boxdel Re: Kalachakra Navamsa Chart Discrepancy Dear Narasimha, I think what Ramanarayanan is saying is correct. The 1st pada of Purva Phalguni does fall in Karka in Kalachakra scheme of things, and will be designated as falling in Karka Navamsha. The sign lord therefore becomes the Deha. Shloka 94 and 95 ch. 48 this is unambiguously stated by Parashara. Chandrashekhar. Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote: Dear Sri Ramanarayanan, Nakshatra positions of planets & ascendant:- Lagna:-uttarashada 4 Sun:- Punarvasu 4 Moon:- Dhanishta 4 Mars:- Chitra 3 Buda Aridra 2 Guru:- Visaka 1 Sukra:-Purvaphalguni 1 Sani®:-Satayam 4 Rahu:-Uttarashada 1 Ketu:- Punarvasu 3 Mandi:-Rohini 4 Gulika:- Mrigasira 3 HL:- Makha 2 GL:- Revati 3 Kalachakra - the navamsa diagram/chart:-(refer previous mail) Lagna:- Meena Sun:-Kataka Moon:- Mesha Mars:-Tula Buda:-Kumbha Guru:-Vrischika Sukra:-kataka Sani:-Dhanur Rahu:-Dhanur Ketu:-Mithuna Mandi:-Simha Gulika:-Vrishaba HL:-Tula GL:-Kumba AL:-Kataka A6:-Mithuna I was reading the Kalachakra dasa exchanges leisurely over this long weekend. I noticed that we two have a small disagreement in the definition of Kalachakra navamsa. In the Kalachakra navamsa chart I know, Venus in Poorva Phalguni 1st pada is in Leo itself and not in Cancer as you wrote. When Parasara defined navamsa chakra, he did not give the navamsa signs. He only gave the navamsa lords!! For example, the rulers of the nine navamsas (nine nakshatra padas) in Leo are Mars, Venus, Mercury, Moon, Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter. In the normal navamsa chart, we take the nine navamsas in Leo to be Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc and Sg. In Kalachakra navamsa, we take these nine navamsas to be Sc, Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge, Ta, Ar and Pi (because Magha, Poorva Phalguni and Uttara Phalguni are apasavya nakshatras). Both the ways, Parasara's basic definition of navamsa holds true. In other words, the non-cyclical Kalachakra navamsa chart is a variation of navamsa that, in my humble opinion, was coverered by Parasara's basic navamsa definition!!! If you correlate Parasara's basic definition of navamsa and his definition of Kalachakra dasa signs, you will realize that they fit with each other. Kalachakra dasa is based on Kalachakra navamsa chart, which is a non-cyclical variation of navamsa based on the same basic navamsa definition of Parasara. However, you cannot take Poorva Phalguni 1st pada in Cancer navamsa. It MUST be Leo. Otherwise, you are breaking Parasara's basic definition of navamsa. The 5th navamsa (nakshatra pada) of Leo MUST be owned by Sun and not Moon, according to Parasara. So Poorva Phalguni 1st pada MUST be in Leo in both normal navamsa chart and Kalachakra navamsa chart. There is no other way. If you do not accept this, the whole basis of mandooki and markati gati disappears. Please reconsider your view. BTW, I get all other planets in the same signs as you gave in Kalachakra Navamsa. We differ only on Venus. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 11 Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:54:10 +0530 Anand <shivaji Missing - Can we get some feedback ? Dear Mr. Ranga , Can we get some feedback on the readings you have received through the group please ? Regards , Anand Anand K. 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Sun-Moon exact conjunction in Libra as New Financial year is on 12 Nov 2004 at 19:57:41 IST, Mumbai (as Bombay stock exchange is main stock exchange) Long: 72E50, Latd:18N50.Lagna comes out be Taurus (27-13) Jup IstaPhal is 23.44 Khasta Phal is 32.60 that means Jup is weak for financial aspect being having low IP (Ista Phal) I took compressed Vimsotarri dasa with 360 titihi and Dasa of Jup is running till 7 Dec 2004. In natal Chart: Jup is 8Lord aspecting 11House (own house also) Jup is with Enemy Ven and in Enemical house of Merc In Kasinath Hora Chart: Jup again in 12 House and that too with Ven (enemy) and in eneimical house (merc). Jup also have Pap kartari Yoga one side Sat other side Mars and Ketu. So Jup dasa from Diwali till 7 December should be bad for Share Market in India. On the contrary Share Market touched Highest Sensex on 30.11.2004 and Bank shares, IT shares, Petro, FMCG are doing well in Share Market. 1/3 principal: Only silverline I could see in 1/3 principal that is last part of benefic planet consider aspects on him and aspect by him. No aspect on Jup in Kasinath Hora, aspecting 8H, 6H and 4H. But in Natal Financial chart Jup has aspect of Yogkarka Sat. Jup is aspecting own 11 house and Lagna. This Jup dasa showed higest Index inspite of low IP and other bad placement in Hora chart etc etc just because of aspect of YK in natal chart or there is something else which I am not able to findout during my analysis. Kindly give your valuable guidance in above matter. Thanking in advance Shunny Nigam Delhi Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 13 Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:48:34 +0100 "J. 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Cervical Spondylitis is a disease of the neck bones. I used the second house since second house is used for "Mukh" in the Kalpurush and most of the commentators have included neck as part of the Mukh (face). Horasar too has used the word "Kanth" again corresponding to the second house. Chandarshekharji, you have added weight to the occurrence of the disease giving additional clues. But my query still remains as to why do we suspect neck problem and not other problems attributable to the 2nd or the 3rd house as used by you. And the closest you have come to timing the event is the retrograde motion of Sat beginning Nov 9. But she never had it then. In fact this is the first time she had this attack. So timing the event remains still an area open ffor further thought. Incidentally if we use the retrograde motion of Saturn , then the neck problem fits into second house and not third. Sabriji, I am not sure DST was used in India anytime. Horoscopes were made by the local priests then based on the local time. I have reworked the horiscope and there is hardly any difference between the two. In the past I have successfully found dates of her travel on a long journey or tested even her marriage date but this recent event has alluded me so far. My wife is much better now. Thanks for your concern Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote: > Dear Razdan, > Should you not be looking at 3rd house? In natal chart, Mars the 6th > lord aspects the 3rd and Marakesh Moon is posited there. The Lagna is > in > papakartari indicating problems with health.Saturn the 8th lord > aspects > 6th house, and is house dispositor of Mars the 6th Lord. In transit, > Lord of the 3rd aspects Lagna, 6 th Lord Mars aspects the 8th house. > > Moon is afflicted by Rahu and squares the 3rd house and gets aspect > of > Mars too. Sun the 3rd Lord occupies the 6th house. Saturn the 8th > Lord > squares Mars. Lagnesh Mercury is aspecting Lagna in transit. Note > that > Mercury is attracting Kendradhipati Dosha and is in 1 degree on that > date. > She is Running Jup-Ven-Sat period at the time of occurrence of the > attack. Venus being trine lord joins Jupiter in Kendra and thus > capable > of giving rise to Yoga, Saturn, the 8th Lord's Pratyantar activated > the > yoga. Note that in natal chart Venus is house dispositor of Saturn > and > Saturn turned retrograde around 8th of Nov., which could perhaps be > the > time when the initial inkling of spondylitis might have been felt. > Chandrashekhar. > > PNRazdan wrote: > > > Learned colleagues, > > It is said that every event in one's life even minute one is > contained > > in ones birth chart but one needs to know how to read it. My wife > had a > > severe attack of cervical spondalytis on 26th of Nov. '04 and I am > > trying to read it from her chart. Her birth details are as under:- > > TOB: 9:20 am > > DOB: May 14, 1943 > > POB: 34N05, 74E49 > > With gemini lagna, she has cancer in the second house.In the > Kalpurush, > > second house is indicative of the neck problems. She is running Sad > > Sati now and saturn is transiting this house and should therefore > show > > its effect. But no clue is forthcoming to relate it to the > particular > > day even with the 3 degrees which donot match with anything. And > then > > second house is indicative of many things. Normally we try to > ascertain > > it from the dasa. In her case it is Jp/Ven/Moon and moon as second > hl > > only confirms the second house problem but does not point out to > the > > health problem. I am not able to find clues for zeroing in on the > neck > > problem and its timing. > > Could the group discuss this as a topic so that we are able to come > to > > some conclusion on pinpointing the exact second house problem and > its > > timing. > > Pran Razdan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail - You care about security. So do we. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > > > ....... 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Praveen Kumar (Mumbai) - Rita vedic astrology 01, 12, 2004 12:30 PM [vedic astrology] Please analyze my son horoscope ( MIT) Hello All Gurus: Please send me the prediction for my son A ( Male) Date of Birth June 10th, 1988 Time of Birth 10:44am ( california time) USA Place of Birth : (Fremont) California, USA I am very much concern about his future and his hot tempered behaviour. Please advise what area he must concentrate for his future. Is he going thru any mahadasa of some kind. Regards ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Sponsor Get unlimited calls to U.S./Canada ---------- -- Links vedic astrology/ b.. vedic astrology c.. [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 16 Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:13:06 -0000 "AstroMagus" <bogdan Astro©Magus 1.0 - a new Jyotish software Dear friends, Let me present you Astro©Magus 1.0 - a new free program on Vedic astrology.You may download it at www.astromagus.com Your comments, suggestions and constructive critics are welcome. Bogdan ______________________ ______________________ Message: 17 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:51:03 +0530 Chandrashekhar <boxdel Re: Re: [Vedavyasa] Re: Kalachakra Dasa Analysis of Sri Jayendra Saraswathi Dear Narasimha, Perhaps, I was not able to convey my intent behind the question. I did not say that it is only restricted to these two gatis, rather my intent was to convey that gatis other than those specifically indicated by Parashara could also be considered, in case of Antardashas so long as they are in the same order ( as the Mahadasha order for the Nakshatra pada under consideration) and begin from the Mahadasha in which they are drawn, and only that the gatis so created would not qualify as either of the three Gatis specified by Parashara and also would not give their effects. By the way, if I remember right, in translation Santanam has talked about Pisces to Scorpio and Sagittarius to Mesha gatis only, and not vise-a-versa, and not as indicated by you. Further, the results that Parashara indicates in shlokas 117 and 118 makes it clear that he is talking about Sagittarius to Mesha and not vice-a-versa. Jatakadesh marg does give a variation when it says that for Chara Rasi they would start from the same Rasi and for others it would start from Trine to the Rasi in whose Mahadasha, the Antardashas are to be calculated. However, no body indicates that the order of Antardasha would change from that of the Mahadasha order for a particular Nakshatra pada. Parashara has already indicated how the Antardashas are to be drawn and their order. He does not speak of changing order of Antardashas but says they would begin with Antardasha of Mahadasha Lord and would be same as the Mahadasha order. Thus order of Antardashas, other than those following natural order of the Mahadashas for a Nakshatra Pada, can not be justified on the logic of a specific gati being not mentioned by Parashara. Those movements would simply not qualify as either of the three gatis. While specifying types of Gatis, Parashara also said "Banacch Navaparyantam gatiH Simhavalokanam" at shloka 98 indicating it is not restricted to only Meena-Vrishchika and Sagittarius-Aries. It is a different matter that they are not observed in Mahadasha order. They might, however, occur in some Antar or Pratyantar Dasha order. Chandrashekhar. Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote: > Namaste Chandrashekhar ji, > > Please refer to verse 100 in chapter 46 (in the Santhanam version of > BPHS). It says "meena vrischikayoh chaapa meshayoh saimhiki gatih". > This means that the leap between Pisces and Scorpio and that between > Sagittarius and Aries is called Saimhiki. > > Chaapa meshayoh means between dhanus and mesha. It covers Ar to Sg and > Sg to Ar both. > > When Parasara went over some of these leaps for further details, he > did not mention Ar to Sg. You seem to be reading too much into that > non-mention. But he clearly covered both the cases in verse 46-100. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > - > ** Chandrashekhar <boxdel > *To:* Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr > *Cc:* vedic astrology > <vedic astrology> ; prajakta pole > <pandit_prajakta ; Raman Suprajarama > <cru115 > *Sent:* Monday, November 29, 2004 2:37 PM > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] Re: [Vedavyasa] Re: Kalachakra > Dasa Analysis of Sri Jayendra Saraswathi > > Dear Narasimha, > Could you point me to the shloka which tells Aries moving on to > Sagittarius is called Simhavalokana Gati by Parashara? I do not > find the shloka in my edition of BPHS. I find the gatis mentioned > by Rasis only in shloka 99 and 100 Chapter 48. The shlokas mention > Sagittarius jumping to Aries and Pisces jumping over to Scorpio, > but not the reverse as indicated by you. Perhaps you have some > other edition. Kindly post the shlokas, so that the confusion > about using only gatis sanctioned by Parashara by specific mention > being necessary, as against using those indicated by him though > not specifically mentioned is removed. > Chandrashekhar. > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote: > >> Namaste Chandrashekhar ji, >> >> I am afraid your understanding is not right. The movements from >> Sg to Ar, Ar to Sg, Pi to Sc and Sc to Pi were all called >> Simhavalokana gati by Parasara. He did mention all of them. >> >> If you say that jumps like Cn to Pi or Ge to Cp are acceptable, I >> can certainly not agree. My position is that Parasara would have >> mentioned all special gatis. >> >> May Jupiter's light shine on us, >> Narasimha >> >> - >> ** Chandrashekhar <boxdel >> *To:* vyasa <vyasa> >> *Cc:* vedic astrology >> <vedic astrology> ; prajakta pole >> <pandit_prajakta ; Raman Suprajarama >> <cru115 >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:50 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Vedavyasa] Re: Kalachakra Dasa Analysis of >> Sri Jayendra Saraswathi >> >> Dear Narasimha, >> You are using a different approach to Antardasha calculation >> for Kalachakra dasha which has been elaborated by you at >> length. I have one query. You have said, in support of the >> argument that since the leap from Ge to Cp is not mentioned, >> that can not be the order. My question is that if we assume >> nothing out side the leaps mentioned should be the correct >> order for Antardasha, then same parameter should also exist >> in the Mahadasha. Now, to my knowledge, and I could be >> wrong, three leaps are mentioned in texts. These are Manduka, >> Markati of Turaga and Simhavalokana. These are all leaps >> backwards, first is a leap skipping one sign, next going back >> one sign and third is skipping more than one sign backwards. >> ( There are difference in opinion between various authorities >> on exactly what do these constitute but let us not complicate >> the subject at this point). Now having accepted these as the >> only possible movements allowable, how do we interpret the >> movement from Mesha to Dhanu as for 2nd pada of Dhanishtha? >> Is such a leap mentioned by either Parashara or Shiva or any >> other text? Not being mentioned in the texts do we take the >> Mahadasha order to be wrong? >> >> Another point I would like to know from you ,Raman and Rama >> Naryayana is what parameters are used to calculate the Bhukta >> and Bhogya Mahadasha at birth? The question might appear to >> be very elementary to all you worthies, but since the >> Purnaayu is applicable to Nakshtra Charana, I would like to >> know whether the proportion is applied to the first Mahadasha >> or the entire Purnaayu. >> Chandrashekhar. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... >> >> >> >> >> * Sponsor* >> >> click here >> <http://us.ard./SIG=129aisf29/M=298184.5639630.6699735.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1101765688/A=2434971/R=0/SIG=11eeoolb0/*http://www. netflix.com/Default?mqso=60185400> >> >> >> >> --- --- >> * Links* >> >> * >> vedic astrology/ >> >> * >> vedic astrology >> <vedic astrology?subject=Un> >> >> * Terms of >> Service <>. >> >> [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 18 Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:25:39 -0000 "ard_mom" <ard_mom Please help.. Nitin ji, Thankyou so much for taking time to review my son's chart and recommending the matras. I am very scared to say the least and would like to know if you think he will have a long life or not. Also, how about his mental/physical health?? These are my main concerns. Here are my (mother) details incase you need them also. 30th November 1972, 10:57 AM, Rajahmundry, AP , India Please reply. Regards. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 19 Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:12:48 -0000 "Nitin" <astronitin #2 Manglik Dosha ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| Dear Sunit, Allow me to share some of my understanding. Some thoughts below. Jai Gurudeva and hi to all members, This is related to the Manglik Dosha. Manglik dosha has some factors which nullifies the yoga or cancels it. [Via NK] Such as.? I think the key would be in better understanding how the graham functions, rather than going by a term used. BV Raman has also given out few factors which nullify the yoga. Do these factors reduce the yoga or simply cancel it completely? [Via NK] I have not known the yoga to be nullified in entirety. However, planets, aspects, positions in Navamsa, etc. do tend to change a possible scenario. The chart I am looking at has mars and moon in the 7th in aquarius. I have read resources where they say that mars conjuct moon or jupiter cancel the yoga, [Via NK] Mars remains in the 7th. The person is passionate, and is willing to fight for others at times. Having Argala to the 4th House, It naturally signifies the person will be protective of domestic matters. Having the Moon with it (check paksha -- waxing / waning) it is naturally influenced by this interaction. Aquarius represents the dry environment. Here this house is co-lorded by Rahu, and Saturn. How does a water body interact in a dry environment? How does fiery body do in the same scenario? With timing, how will these planets play out? Here are the Natural years of planets, extracted from "Crux of Vedic Astrology", by Sanjay Rath(Sagar Publications). Years of affecting fortune Graha Number Primary Secondary Su 1 21,22 48,70 Mo 2 23,24 5,49 Ma 9 27,28 10,39 Me 5 31,32 20,54 Ju 3 30,34 24,56 Ve 6 25,26 6,52 Sa 8 35,36 39,82 Ra 4 41,42 Ke 7 45,46 also BV Raman says mars in aquarius will nullify the yoga. [Via NK] Any reasoning given? I would appreciate any comments on this. Om Ganeshaya Namah, Sunit Mehta [Via NK] Good luck. Nitin. || Namah Shivaaya || ______________________ ______________________ Message: 20 Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:21:49 -0000 "Nitin" <astronitin #3 Please analyze my son horoscope ( MIT) ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| Dear Praveen Ji, Namaskaar. Can you please give the reasoning of your statements so that students like me can share the basis of your understanding? For those interested in a free online atlas, here is 1 link: http://www.astro.com/atlas .. Fremont (San Bernardino C.), CA (US): 35n12, 117w35, California .. Fremont (Alameda County), CA (US): 37n33, 121w59, California .. Fremont (Yolo County), CA (US): 38n41, 121w38, California Rita Ji, we all go through Dashas. The Mahadsaha is the main level, or one with a long term, signifying an overview of sorts. I'm sure once we get accurate birth information more can be revealed. Best wishes and warm regards, Nitin. || Namah Shivaaya || ============================== Please give Lat & Long of the place (Fremont). I fixed Leo lagna for his temperament. Dasas after 2009 are good. Don't worry about his career and finances, think about his marriage / family life which will be definitely at discount. Praveen Kumar (Mumbai) ============================== - Rita vedic astrology 01, 12, 2004 12:30 PM [vedic astrology] Please analyze my son horoscope ( MIT) Hello All Gurus: Please send me the prediction for my son A ( Male) Date of Birth June 10th, 1988 Time of Birth 10:44am ( california time) USA Place of Birth : (Fremont) California, USA I am very much concern about his future and his hot tempered behaviour. Please advise what area he must concentrate for his future. Is he going thru any mahadasa of some kind. Regards ______________________ ______________________ Message: 21 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 03:16:06 +0530 Chandrashekhar <boxdel Re: Kalchakra navamsa Dear Srivastava, You have obviously studied Kalachakra dasha in depth. I am certain, no one would feel you are intruding. It is Mr. Dhananjayan Brahma who had said that his Village Purohit had said that it is difficult to understand Kalachakra Dashas. I had replied that BPHS gives their order and perhaps the Village Purohit is referring to Dashas related to Kalachakra tantra. Unfortunately that time, perhaps Mr. Dhananjayan thought I was trying to rationalize the statement of his Village Purohit. That was never my intention and I was dead serious about what I said. There is much that is not understood in the Kalachakra Dasha as given in Astrological texts. The primary being, why in certain Nakshatra Padas, the dasha progresses in linear order and why in some it jumps back and forth ? Unless this is understood, I feel it is difficult to understand the logic and principles behind application of Kalachakra Dasha. I am certain that to understand this one will have to understand the movement of Kala through the Kalachakra itself. I am of the opinion that till such time, we can safely stay with Parashara and other standard texts about the way Antardashas are drawn, remaining within the Basic Mahadasha order. Jatakadesh Marg does suggest beginning with trine sign if Antardasha of a Chara Rasi is to be drawn and of the Rasi itself for other Rasis, but even there there is no suggestion of change of Mahadasha order while drawing Antardasha. Chandrashekhar. R.C.Srivastava wrote: > Dear sirs . > > *I do not consider my self well conversant with KCD but have read all > published material by Sarva Sri PVR ji ( His web site and Integrated > astrology), Chugh, ( Yogni and Kalchakra dasa)K.N.Rao series of > article in Times of astrology and various other article by surendran > and others in Astrological magazine) ,Dr Raman Book on KCD, KCD book > in hindi by Deewan Ram chandra Kapoor and writings by Late SRI R. > Santhanam in TOA with large number of exercise. I am compiling current > discussion but am finding hard to swallow some parts of it .I myself > am yet to reach a decision and as learner only and want to learn more > about it.* > > *But specially why KCD navamsa as known and applicable to available > speculam and mathematical formule both be treated unreliable when > large number of prediction are falling true in experience of those who > have tried KCD.* > > *The Views of Sri Ramnarayanan and Sri Chandrashekhar are consistent & > worth perusal, in light of available exposition summarized below. Is > it necessary that hypothetically certain supposition should be valid?*** > > *I hope you would not mind if i quote that Mr Chugh had explained > specially about KCD Navamsa. And also followed by Sri Santhanam. in > toto. However the formula given by Mr Chugh does not answer all cases > but his tables are same as that by Sri Santhanam. For the moment I > am quoting Mr Chugs opinion and its expansion by Sri Santhanam. After > it let us consider what sri chandrashekar says is correct as per > diffrent commentaries accessible . * > > *It is hoped my entry to discussion may not be treated as intrusion, > If it is so please ignore this mail.*** > > *Now the discussion is about** KCD Navamsa.* > > *The navamsa position of moon or other planet as per the Kalchakra > Dasa is the same for Savya group of Nakshatra. It is only the Apsayva > group of Nakshatra they are different.* > > *A.* > > *_Table for determining KCD Navamsa For Apsavya group_**.* > > *Navmas Quarter of Apsavya Nakshtra* > > *Scorpio First Rohni,Makha,Vishaka, Shravana* > > *Libra Second do * > > *Virgo Third Do * > > *Leo Fourth Do * > > *Cancer First Mrigasira,P Phalguni,Anuradha Dhanishta* > > *Gemini Second Do * > > *Taurus Third Do * > > *Aries Fourth Do * > > *Pisces First Arudha, U.Phalg Jyestha Satbhisa * > > *Aquarius Second Do * > > *Capricon Third Do * > > *Sagitt Fourth Do * > > *In example under discussion P Phalguni First pada is clearly in > Cancer Navams as per table given above. * > > *If I reproduce tables as given by Mr Chugh the order of KCD Navamsa > is totally logical and symmetrical.* > > * Extracts from Table 5.4 are given below.* > > *Nak* > > > > *First* > > > > *Second* > > > > *Third* > > > > *Fourth* > > *1,7,13,19,25* > > > > *Aries * > > > > *Taurus* > > > > *Gemini* > > > > *Cancer* > > *2,8,14,20,26* > > > > *Leo* > > > > *Virgo* > > > > *Libra* > > > > *Scorpio* > > *3,9,15,21,27* > > > > *Sagg* > > > > *Capri* > > > > *Aqua* > > > > *Pisc* > > *4,10,16,22* > > > > *Scorpio** > > > > *Libra* > > > > *Virgo* > > > > *Leo* > > *5,11,17,23* > > > > *Cancer* > > > > *Gemini* > > > > *Taurus* > > > > *Aries* > > *6,12,18,24* > > > > *Pisc* > > > > *Aqua* > > > > *Capri* > > > > *Saggi* > > * * > > * To my memory as I studied KCD many years ago, Deewan Ramchandra > Kapoor and Mr chugh has given formula for determining KCD navamsa. > Unfortunately I could not understand it's second part. Both authors > appears confused to me or may be I am lacking in correct application. > Knowing KCD Navamsa is very important.* > > *It is commonly believed that Mahadasa results can not be given > without it as same rasi dasa gives different result which is related > with KCD Navamsa Position. Dr Raman and Sri Chugh has given likely > results in enough detail. BPH has many slokas about the results of > planet placement in KCD Navamsa.* > > *B Other issues.* > > *Logic mentioned is "unexpired portion of Dasa is followed by the > expired portion of dasa."The entire dasa is like a circle. May it be > direct like in Yogni, may it be Reverse motion or Jumping. This is > logical in case of Drig, mandooka and chara dasa too.So balance at > birth is to be worked out. Many follow this.* > > *Logic of Mirror image is wonderful as taught by Sh. Narasimha ji but > why confusion in SUB PERIOD orders and duration.May be this requires > research.* > > *For duration OF sub period Sri Narsimha explains beautifully the > underlying principal and Mr Chugh has given Ready made tables to > calculate easily. Mr Chugh and Dr Raman hinted the results of Sub > period also . Dr Raman has given extensive results based on some > manuscript. But how sub period runs and start and order wants needs > confirmation by research minded people. Deewan has avoided discussion > on sub period itself The discussion was started on quote by some > expert traditional village astrologer. It will be real good fortune if > that Gentleman share and add some insight to known application method > to reach KCD acceptibality. More on KCD Navamsa IN next mail if > intrusion in discussion is not disturbing. I will be happy if experts > give opinion about order of SUBPERIOD based on their experience.* > > *Hari Om Tatsat.* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel <boxdel> > Re: Kalachakra Navamsa Chart Discrepancy > > Dear Narasimha, > I think what Ramanarayanan is saying is correct. The 1st pada of > Purva Phalguni does fall in Karka in Kalachakra scheme of things, and > will be designated as falling in Karka Navamsha. The sign lord > therefore becomes the Deha. Shloka 94 and 95 ch. 48 this is > unambiguously stated by > Parashara. > Chandrashekhar. > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote: > Dear Sri Ramanarayanan, Nakshatra positions of planets & ascendant:- > Lagna:-uttarashada 4 Sun:- Punarvasu 4 Moon:- Dhanishta 4 > Mars:- Chitra 3 Buda Aridra 2 Guru:- Visaka 1 Sukra:-Purvaphalguni 1 > Sani®:-Satayam 4 Rahu:-Uttarashada 1 Ketu:- Punarvasu 3 > Mandi:-Rohini 4 Gulika:- Mrigasira 3 HL:- Makha 2 GL:- Revati 3 > Kalachakra - the navamsa diagram/chart:-(refer previous mail) > > Lagna:- Meena Sun:-Kataka Moon:- Mesha Mars:-Tula Buda:-Kumbha > Guru:-Vrischika Sukra:-kataka Sani:-Dhanur Rahu:-Dhanur Ketu:-Mithuna > Mandi:-Simha Gulika:-Vrishaba HL:-Tula GL:-Kumba AL:-Kataka A6:-Mithuna > > I was reading the Kalachakra dasa exchanges leisurely over this > long weekend. I noticed that we two have a small disagreement in the > definition of Kalachakra navamsa. > In the Kalachakra navamsa chart I know, Venus in Poorva Phalguni 1st > pada is in Leo itself and not in Cancer as you wrote. When Parasara > defined navamsa chakra, he did not give the navamsa signs. He only > gave the navamsa lords!! For example, the rulers of the nine > navamsas (nine nakshatra padas) in Leo are Mars, Venus, Mercury, > Moon, Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter. In the normal navamsa > chart, we take the nine navamsas in Leo to be Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, > Li, Sc and Sg. In Kalachakra navamsa, we take these nine navamsas to > be Sc, Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge, Ta, Ar and Pi (because Magha, Poorva > Phalguni and Uttara Phalguni are apasavya nakshatras). Both the ways, > Parasara's basic definition of navamsa holds true. In other words, > the non-cyclical Kalachakra navamsa chart is a variation of navamsa > that, in my humble opinion, was coverered by Parasara's basic navamsa > definition!!! > If you correlate Parasara's basic definition of navamsa and his > definition of Kalachakra dasa signs, you will realize that they fit > with each other. Kalachakra dasa is based on Kalachakra navamsa > chart, which is a non-cyclical variation of navamsa based on the same > basic navamsa definition of Parasara. However, you cannot take Poorva > Phalguni 1st pada in Cancer navamsa. It MUST be Leo. Otherwise, you > are breaking Parasara's basic definition of navamsa. The 5th navamsa > (nakshatra pada) of Leo MUST be owned by Sun and not Moon, according > to Parasara. So Poorva Phalguni 1st pada MUST be in Leo in both > normal navamsa chart and Kalachakra navamsa chart. There is no other > way. If you do not accept this, the whole basis of mandooki and > markati gati disappears. Please reconsider your view. BTW, I get all > other planets in the same signs as you gave in Kalachakra Navamsa. We > differ only on Venus. > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > * Sponsor* > > click here > <http://us.ard./SIG=129lu3hgp/M=298184.5639630.6699735.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1101978332/A=2434971/R=0/SIG=11eeoolb0/*http://www. netflix.com/Default?mqso=60185400> > > > > ------ > * Links* > > * > vedic astrology/ > > * > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 22 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 03:16:33 +0530 Chandrashekhar <boxdel Re: Need to know some clues Dear Razdan, If you can draw the Prana dasha the reason will be clear. She was running Jup-Ven-Sat-Sat-Rahu Maha-Antar-Pratyantar-Sookshma-Prana Dasha on 26th Nov. 2004. Transit Saturn was associating Natal Rahu in Cancer then. I do not go by the principle of retrograde planet giving effects of previous house. However, Saturn generally casts the shadow on the the house which it is to enter, about 3 Months prior to its ingress of that Rasi. The period when it turned retrograde it was aspecting 8th house and had cast shadow on Lagna representing the Person, thus the results. Spondylitis is the external symptom of either constant or sudden jerk to spinal cord, resulting in compression of laminate. If you can ask your wife, whether she had such a Jerk to her spine around the time Saturn turned retrograde, why I said retrogression of Saturn might have set the yoga would be clear. As regards 2nd being the Neck, I must disagree. The texts indicate 3rd house representing, which is situated in the region of neck. Chandrashekhar. PNRazdan wrote: >Dear Chandrashekhar and Sabri, >Thanks for your prompt responses. >Cervical Spondylitis is a disease of the neck bones. I used the second >house since second house is used for "Mukh" in the Kalpurush and most >of the commentators have included neck as part of the Mukh (face). >Horasar too has used the word "Kanth" again corresponding to the second >house. >Chandarshekharji, you have added weight to the occurrence of the >disease giving additional clues. But my query still remains as to why >do we suspect neck problem and not other problems attributable to the >2nd or the 3rd house as used by you. And the closest you have come to >timing the event is the retrograde motion of Sat beginning Nov 9. But >she never had it then. In fact this is the first time she had this >attack. So timing the event remains still an area open ffor further >thought. Incidentally if we use the retrograde motion of Saturn , then >the neck problem fits into second house and not third. >Sabriji, I am not sure DST was used in India anytime. Horoscopes were >made by the local priests then based on the local time. I have reworked >the horiscope and there is hardly any difference between the two. In >the past I have successfully found dates of her travel on a long >journey or tested even her marriage date but this recent event has >alluded me so far. >My wife is much better now. Thanks for your concern >Pran Razdan > >--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote: > > > >>Dear Razdan, >>Should you not be looking at 3rd house? In natal chart, Mars the 6th >>lord aspects the 3rd and Marakesh Moon is posited there. The Lagna is >>in >>papakartari indicating problems with health.Saturn the 8th lord >>aspects >>6th house, and is house dispositor of Mars the 6th Lord. In transit, >>Lord of the 3rd aspects Lagna, 6 th Lord Mars aspects the 8th house. >> >>Moon is afflicted by Rahu and squares the 3rd house and gets aspect >>of >>Mars too. Sun the 3rd Lord occupies the 6th house. Saturn the 8th >>Lord >>squares Mars. Lagnesh Mercury is aspecting Lagna in transit. Note >>that >>Mercury is attracting Kendradhipati Dosha and is in 1 degree on that >>date. >>She is Running Jup-Ven-Sat period at the time of occurrence of the >>attack. Venus being trine lord joins Jupiter in Kendra and thus >>capable >>of giving rise to Yoga, Saturn, the 8th Lord's Pratyantar activated >>the >>yoga. Note that in natal chart Venus is house dispositor of Saturn >>and >>Saturn turned retrograde around 8th of Nov., which could perhaps be >>the >>time when the initial inkling of spondylitis might have been felt. >>Chandrashekhar. >> >>PNRazdan wrote: >> >> >> >>>Learned colleagues, >>>It is said that every event in one's life even minute one is >>> >>> >>contained >> >> >>>in ones birth chart but one needs to know how to read it. My wife >>> >>> >>had a >> >> >>>severe attack of cervical spondalytis on 26th of Nov. '04 and I am >>>trying to read it from her chart. Her birth details are as under:- >>>TOB: 9:20 am >>>DOB: May 14, 1943 >>>POB: 34N05, 74E49 >>>With gemini lagna, she has cancer in the second house.In the >>> >>> >>Kalpurush, >> >> >>>second house is indicative of the neck problems. She is running Sad >>>Sati now and saturn is transiting this house and should therefore >>> >>> >>show >> >> >>>its effect. But no clue is forthcoming to relate it to the >>> >>> >>particular >> >> >>>day even with the 3 degrees which donot match with anything. And >>> >>> >>then >> >> >>>second house is indicative of many things. Normally we try to >>> >>> >>ascertain >> >> >>>it from the dasa. In her case it is Jp/Ven/Moon and moon as second >>> >>> >>hl >> >> >>>only confirms the second house problem but does not point out to >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>health problem. I am not able to find clues for zeroing in on the >>> >>> >>neck >> >> >>>problem and its timing. >>>Could the group discuss this as a topic so that we are able to come >>> >>> >>to >> >> >>>some conclusion on pinpointing the exact second house problem and >>> >>> >>its >> >> >>>timing. >>>Pran Razdan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mail - You care about security. So do we. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to >>> >>> >>vedic astrology- >> >> >>>....... 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Name: Sumit Garg dob: 2 March 1976 tob: 1:55Am IST Place: Suratgarh, Rajsthan, India Pls help Me ______________________ ______________________ Message: 24 Wed, 01 Dec 2004 22:45:06 -0000 "nchadala" <nchadala Ketu in 7th House --married life . help Hi respected members, I have a person whose chart and birth details are as below. She is having trouble in her marraige and is starting mercury mahadasa in Jan. I would like to know what changes she can expect regd. marraige and profession. Pl. help regd. this DOB: 16 May 1972; Time: 23.50; longitude: 79:25 E; Latitude: 13.39 N; Her chart has following positions. Asc: Capricorn 1 house: Rahu 4th house: Mercury 5th house: Saturn, Sun 6th House: Mars, Moon, Venus 7th House: Ketu 12th house: Jupiter Pl. analyse her chart w.r.t marraige and profession and remedies are welcome. Thanks ______________________ ______________________ Message: 25 Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:58:40 -0500 "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr Re: Re: [Vedavyasa] Re: Kalachakra Dasa Analysis of Sri Jayendra Saraswathi Namaste Chandrashekhar ji, The constructs "chaapa meshayoh" and "mesha chaapayoh" are identical in Sanskrit language. There is no reference in either construct to the beginning and ending signs. Just because Santhanam was not careful enough in his translation, "chaapa meshayoh" does not suddenly become "chaapat meshe", i.e. "from Sg to Ar". It means between Sg and Ar. When the order is not explicitly mentioned, it automatically means that the order does not matter. Hence, I am 100% convinced that Sg->Ar and Ar->Sg are both Saimhi gatis and Parasara grants both. Study of other classics confirms this view. Now, when it comes to gatis not granted by Parasara or Shiva (e.g. Cn to Pi, Ge to Cp etc), some people may accept them. But I cannot. It is my view that Parasara would've explicitly mentioned any other pair. If anyone's interpretation results in an ungranted gati in mahadasas or antardasas, that interpretation is suspect. You cannot compare those gatis to Ar->Sg. This particular gati IS granted by Parasara. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha - Chandrashekhar Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Cc: vedic astrology ; prajakta pole ; Raman Suprajarama Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:21 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: [Vedavyasa] Re: Kalachakra Dasa Analysis of Sri Jayendra Saraswathi Dear Narasimha, Perhaps, I was not able to convey my intent behind the question. I did not say that it is only restricted to these two gatis, rather my intent was to convey that gatis other than those specifically indicated by Parashara could also be considered, in case of Antardashas so long as they are in the same order ( as the Mahadasha order for the Nakshatra pada under consideration) and begin from the Mahadasha in which they are drawn, and only that the gatis so created would not qualify as either of the three Gatis specified by Parashara and also would not give their effects. By the way, if I remember right, in translation Santanam has talked about Pisces to Scorpio and Sagittarius to Mesha gatis only, and not vise-a-versa, and not as indicated by you. Further, the results that Parashara indicates in shlokas 117 and 118 makes it clear that he is talking about Sagittarius to Mesha and not vice-a-versa. Jatakadesh marg does give a variation when it says that for Chara Rasi they would start from the same Rasi and for others it would start from Trine to the Rasi in whose Mahadasha, the Antardashas are to be calculated. However, no body indicates that the order of Antardasha would change from that of the Mahadasha order for a particular Nakshatra pada. Parashara has already indicated how the Antardashas are to be drawn and their order. He does not speak of changing order of Antardashas but says they would begin with Antardasha of Mahadasha Lord and would be same as the Mahadasha order. Thus order of Antardashas, other than those following natural order of the Mahadashas for a Nakshatra Pada, can not be justified on the logic of a specific gati being not mentioned by Parashara. Those movements would simply not qualify as either of the three gatis. While specifying types of Gatis, Parashara also said "Banacch Navaparyantam gatiH Simhavalokanam" at shloka 98 indicating it is not restricted to only Meena-Vrishchika and Sagittarius-Aries. It is a different matter that they are not observed in Mahadasha order. They might, however, occur in some Antar or Pratyantar Dasha order. Chandrashekhar. Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote: Namaste Chandrashekhar ji, Please refer to verse 100 in chapter 46 (in the Santhanam version of BPHS). It says "meena vrischikayoh chaapa meshayoh saimhiki gatih". This means that the leap between Pisces and Scorpio and that between Sagittarius and Aries is called Saimhiki. Chaapa meshayoh means between dhanus and mesha. It covers Ar to Sg and Sg to Ar both. When Parasara went over some of these leaps for further details, he did not mention Ar to Sg. You seem to be reading too much into that non-mention. But he clearly covered both the cases in verse 46-100. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha - Chandrashekhar Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Cc: vedic astrology ; prajakta pole ; Raman Suprajarama Monday, November 29, 2004 2:37 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: [Vedavyasa] Re: Kalachakra Dasa Analysis of Sri Jayendra Saraswathi Dear Narasimha, Could you point me to the shloka which tells Aries moving on to Sagittarius is called Simhavalokana Gati by Parashara? I do not find the shloka in my edition of BPHS. I find the gatis mentioned by Rasis only in shloka 99 and 100 Chapter 48. The shlokas mention Sagittarius jumping to Aries and Pisces jumping over to Scorpio, but not the reverse as indicated by you. Perhaps you have some other edition. Kindly post the shlokas, so that the confusion about using only gatis sanctioned by Parashara by specific mention being necessary, as against using those indicated by him though not specifically mentioned is removed. Chandrashekhar. Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote: Namaste Chandrashekhar ji, I am afraid your understanding is not right. The movements from Sg to Ar, Ar to Sg, Pi to Sc and Sc to Pi were all called Simhavalokana gati by Parasara. He did mention all of them. If you say that jumps like Cn to Pi or Ge to Cp are acceptable, I can certainly not agree. My position is that Parasara would have mentioned all special gatis. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha - Chandrashekhar vyasa Cc: vedic astrology ; prajakta pole ; Raman Suprajarama Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:50 PM Re: [Vedavyasa] Re: Kalachakra Dasa Analysis of Sri Jayendra Saraswathi Dear Narasimha, You are using a different approach to Antardasha calculation for Kalachakra dasha which has been elaborated by you at length. I have one query. You have said, in support of the argument that since the leap from Ge to Cp is not mentioned, that can not be the order. My question is that if we assume nothing out side the leaps mentioned should be the correct order for Antardasha, then same parameter should also exist in the Mahadasha. Now, to my knowledge, and I could be wrong, three leaps are mentioned in texts. These are Manduka, Markati of Turaga and Simhavalokana. These are all leaps backwards, first is a leap skipping one sign, next going back one sign and third is skipping more than one sign backwards. ( There are difference in opinion between various authorities on exactly what do these constitute but let us not complicate the subject at this point). Now having accepted these as the only possible movements allowable, how do we interpret the movement from Mesha to Dhanu as for 2nd pada of Dhanishtha? Is such a leap mentioned by either Parashara or Shiva or any other text? Not being mentioned in the texts do we take the Mahadasha order to be wrong? Another point I would like to know from you ,Raman and Rama Naryayana is what parameters are used to calculate the Bhukta and Bhogya Mahadasha at birth? The question might appear to be very elementary to all you worthies, but since the Purnaayu is applicable to Nakshtra Charana, I would like to know whether the proportion is applied to the first Mahadasha or the entire Purnaayu. Chandrashekhar. To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Sponsor ------ Links vedic astrology/ b.. vedic astrology c.. Terms of Service. [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ ------ ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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