Guest guest Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Dear Venakatarama Ji, Allow me to share what I have understood thus far…. The 5th House represents Purva Punya, or the account of past good done. [some will debate this statement] Use the Bhavat Bhavam principle – The xth from the nth…. Or…… the 5th from the placement of the natal Moon…… Count 5 Houses away from where the natal Moon is in the chart, and that is the house that does not get triggered in this situation (Saturn would not have GRAHA Drishti to the said house). Hope that this helps. Take care. Best wishes and warm regards, Nitin. || Namah Shivaaya || Dear Nitin Ji, Thank you for your detailed explanation. Yes, the transits and the opposing qualities of the Moon and Saturn makes a lot of sense. Yes, if the mind is numb, the effects will be felt on the body as well. I have seen this with myself as well as with many others, that when there is a probem of some sort, we seem to come down with a cold or other illness at the same time, whereas when we are happy, we seem to be immune to all illnesses too! (There really is something to the concept of holistic healing methods like ayurveda, that heal the person and not the disease, that is a fascinating subject in it's own right.) Plus, if we are not mentally at peace, any problems seem vastly magnified, so again I see the effect of Sade Satti. I suppose the distinction I am making between the physical and the mental, by distinguishing between the Lagna and the Chandra Lagna is really because my brain can only grasp these concepts one piece at a time :- )! In reality, it is all a continuous whole.... Could you please explain the statement, "The one thing that stands out is that this transit cannot activate > the 5th from the Moon for Purva Punya." I did not understand that. Thanks again, Venakatarama Sreelatha > > vedic astrology, "Nitin" <astronitin> > wrote: > > > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > > > Dear Venkatarama, > > > > You have asked some good questions in your posting. Allow me to > share > > some of my understanding on Sade Sati. A lot of this is subjective. > > > > While people can experience a range of happenings during this > stage, > > most remember it because of the tears / hardship it brings. > > > > The one thing that stands out is that this transit cannot activate > > the 5th from the Moon for Purva Punya. > > > > Saturn is the one who is keeping account of the sins and implies > > punishments. Shani Dev is not as nurturing as some of the other > > planets and hence the lessons experienced may be direct and harsh. > > > > While one can observe transits for Kantak Shani / Ashtam Shani, > Sade > > Sati is the closest to the Moon, and hence affects the mind > deeply. > > > > Observe the elements – The hard working Saturn is cold, in the > > shadows, far from the Sun. The elegant Moon, Queen of the night, > is > > the fastest heavenly body orbiting the Earth. The Moon takes > > approximately 29 days to orbit the earth; Saturn – approx. 29 > > years…………. > > > > The winter will freeze the lake, and create a lack of fluidity. > > (Notice how many are recommended to call on a Martian influence > > during this time? If you have a slab of ice, what would you need > to > > break it?) > > > > Another analogy I use is the one of a deer grazing in the grass. > > However, going on, the deer finds itself in the middle of the > road, > > outside the feeding grounds. A speeding car approaches, and the > > animal is frozen. The deer does not know how quickly to react. > How > > things end is speculation. > > > > Shani is also in a Marana Kaaraka Sthaana (roughly translated as > the > > place of death) in the 1st House. If you are considering transits, > > then every planet is in such a state related to a particular > house. > > > > For example, I would say that Jupiter is in a Marana Kaaraka > Sthaana > > from Gemini at the moment as it is transiting Leo. > > > > Shani, hence, wherever he sits may cause a lot of stress to > someone. > > However, a wholistic approach is always welcomed, and other things > > such as aspects and natal conditions will reveal more. > > > > I would consider transits of Shani for all scenarios, trying to > > understand what it means. Take Shani's transit over Gemini now. It > is > > influencing 1/12th of the population. Considering transits alone, > it > > would certainly affect people on the physical level with such a > > Lagna. But what if selected people with this also had the natal > Moon > > here? It would cause more stress. > > > > When the mind is stressed and numb to beyond what it has learnt to > > handle, then the physical body will suffer. > > > > Hope that some of this helps. > > > > Take care. Best wishes and warm regards, > > Nitin. > > P.S. Perhaps we can also consider Saturn's transits to the AL? > > :> > > > > > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > Where, in the classics, are the following mentioned: > > 1) Kaalasarpa Yoga / Kalaamrita > > 2) Sade Sati > > 3) Kuja dosham > > > > The reason I ask this is that these three seem to be the top > concern > > of a lot of people when it comes to astrology. Maybe that's because > > all three sound pretty scary, although that is all a matter of > > perception. However, I have not found much information regarding > any > > of these in the accepted classics like BPHS, Upadesha, Saravali > etc. > > There is a ton of information on these in various books and > > websites, but where, in the accepted classical texts, are these > > described? > > > > A little while back, Sanjay Ji explained that KSY and KAY cause > > problems because: Rahu represents materialism and Ketu > spirituality, > > and when all the planets are caught between these two, there is an > > imbalance and the native is caught between these two extremes. Very > > logical explanation. Similarly, Sanjay Ji and other Gurus have > > explained that Kuja Dosh is a problem because the highly weakened > > Mangal does not give the native energy to fight, even when that is > > the right thing to do. Hence, Mangalik natives can be taken > > advantage of, in a marraige, and the remedy for this is for them to > > marry another Mangalik. Again, that explanation makes a lot of > > sense. > > > > I am struggling to understand Sade Sati in the same way. I do > > understand that the transit of Shani over a house/planet can cause > > saturnine issues that are related to that house/planet. The > > difficulty I have, is that Sade Sati is when Shani transits the > 1st, > > 2nd and 12th FROM THE MOON. Logic would indicate that the effects > > felt will be on the mental plane. However, all the indications I;ve > > seen for SS are on the physical level. If so, shouldn't the key > > factor be Shani's transit over the Lagna, and the 2nd and 12th from > > it, and not the Moon? Or, is the logic that Shani's transits make a > > native lose peace of mind and hence everything APPEARS to be worse, > > and not that it REALLY is worse? > > > > Please let me know what you think. Thanks a lot for your time! > > SIncerely, > > Venkatarama Sreelatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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