Oath taking OF PM....Loud Thinking (More)

May 27, 2004

I had request you and other Guruvaryas to clear nagging doubt .

I reiterate that your analysis is absolutely correct as per shashtras.

There is no question of being unhappy.

On the contrary, I am glad that I am in august company of knowledgable people

and would like to learn many things which are unknown or where there are some

grey areas.

One such area is

"What time should be considered as Birth Of A Government "

noname is taking the liberty to repost the points which need guidence from

Vidwans of this group. Is it asking for too much ?

It was alrwady written that SEEKER IS ALWAYS POORER THAN GIVER. When noname is a

seeker, his knowledge cannot be greater than yours.

You have repeatedly asked for identity and it was answered that it was of no imprtance.

Let us say that if EKALAVYA satisfies you, my postings will be signed as EKALAVYA.

It makes no difference , however to Narayana within me.

Name signed in id is "nameisego" then it means simply that since no name

is used, it is considered that Names are our Alter Ego.

So I have started experimenting with not using name.

In fact it is considered to remove the name from all writings and research

conducted over years. May be in a day or two that exercise also will be

completed.

In the mean while, can we proceed with our discussion ?

Ekalavya

Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Nameisego,

In modern days there are no kings and so it should be applied to rajyabhisheka,

Mukhya Mantri Pada Grahana, Pradhana mantri Pada Grahana etc.If you are not

happy with my interpretation,then better you try to analyse and one thing is

that still you are sticking that you dont want to disclose your name. this will

be my last mail regarding his to you and no further mails will be written by me

and may be others who are more experienced than me amy write on this list.I

feel my knowledge is nothing in front of you.As your name indicates you name is

with EGO.

Thanking you,

With Shri Hari Vaayu naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

nameisego [nameisego ]Sent:

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 7:51 PMvedic astrologySubject:

[vedic astrology] Re: Oath taking OF PM....Loud Thinking (Doubts )Sri Ramdas

garu,Name is not important .Identities get inflated .You have stated that

nobody would answer me unless I disclose my name.In such a case , I will be

disappointed.Seeker is always poorer than giver.I can give any name if it

satisfies you.But what is the purpose ?I have expressed genuine doubts which

need to be cleared.I was hoping that you will do so.I am not convinced about

swearing in muhurtha to be taken as Rajyabhisheka Muhurtha.I do not think that

we have any rules in Muhurtha books for OATH TAKING CEREMONY.We do have for

Ascension to Throne

, Wearing of Crown etc.What I am trying to do is having a fresher perspective to

looking at an important event.Nor is my purpose to say I am right and You are

wrong.But we definately need to have a rethink on certain rules/conditions etc.

and try different permutation/combinations.Why not conduct an exercise on

different conditions that I mentioned in my last posting.May I again request

you sir to look beyond Identities ?vedic astrology,

Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote:> > ` nmae naray[ay,> > om namo

näräyaëäya|> Dear Friend,> Please disclose your name to this list and nobody

will answer you unless you disclose your name.BTW, I am not angry with you but

I gave my views about Muhurta technics.For your information, the Swearing -In

Muhurta can be taken as Rajyabhisheka Muhurta and try to analyse as the natal

chart in

all angles and then we can come to a conclusion.The reason here is PM is the

highest portfolio in our country to rule the country and this Muhurta chart is

to be analysed for the longevity of the Governemnt.> > I hope this helps you.>

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,> Ramadas Rao.> > nameisego <nameisego>

wrote:> > Atmasnehi Rao garu,> > I am aware of all ancient astrological texts

being written in > Kaliyuga.> > I was alluding to Role of Krura Planets in

making of a powerful ruler.> > My purpose is not to contradict you.> > I have

expressed my humble opinion.> > There cannot be two opinions about what you

have written is correct> > Let us wait and see the game of heaven on earth.> >

Just couple of doubts... I hope you can clear my confused mind.> If we are to

take this Oath

taking time as Birth of Congress led > Government,> > Do we take M M singh's

oath taking time as,> > 1) shiro darshan time ?> 2) Birth of Cabinet Time?> 3)

Oath taking time of the Last minister as Bhoomi Patan Time?> 4) Time at which

Man Mohan singh ascended the Chair of PM in PMO as > Rajyabhishek Time ?> > Let

us suppose that after some time(when 15th or 20th minister was > taking oath)

all indications are there for a powerful yogas and long > life, how would any

astrologer justify fall of a ministry?> > I would be highly obliged if this

doubt is cleared. > I hope Learned Gurus would help me in this confusion.> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Ramadas

Rao <ramadasrao> >

wrote:> > > > ` nmae naray[ay,> > > > om namo näräyaëäya|> > Dear Nameisego,> >

The ancient classics like Kalaprakashika, Muhurta Madhaveeyam and > Muhurta

Chintamani are written in Kali Yuga only and not in any other > Yuga.If you

read the Muhurta classis mentioned above ,y ou will > understand that whatever

I have written is correct. Now you just > watch the game of Heavens on Earth.>

> With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,> > Ramadas Rao.> > > > nameisego

<nameisego> wrote:> > > > > > In Kaliyuga, Krura Planets decide the

winner.> > Placement of Ketu in Lagna, > > strong ninth house yogas > > Sun in

8th as a Badhakadhipathi,> > Jupiter in 11th.> > Absence of Balarishta yoga

will make this Government a long lasting > > one.> > > >

I think RAJYABHISHEK muhurtams were applicable for LOOOONG innings. > > We are

looking for a life of five years.And that is what is > promised > > by Oath

Taking Time chart.> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology,

Ramadas Rao > <ramadasrao> > > wrote:> > > > > > ` nmae naray[ay,> > > > >

> om namo näräyaëäya|> > > Dear Srivastava Ji,> > > A good analysis.I wanted to

add some more interpretation of mine > > here.> > > I am analysing here

Swearing - in Muhurta chart only and consider > > Manmohan Singh Ji's birth

Jana Nakshatra on 26/09/1932 as Ashlesha -> > > 1st Pada. First the Muhurta

Lagna and 7th are afflicted by malefics > > which are nodes,the Lagna being

Tula.This is one of the > >

Doshas.Nakshatra on that day was Aridra which becomes Vadha tara > for > >

Manmohan Singh Ji.This another affliction.Yoga was Shula which is > > malefic

one.Chandra is with a Krura planet in 9th.causing another > > affliction. Lagna

lord Shukra (V) is another affliction along with > > Krura Grahas is still a

affliction.Surya,the Rajya Karaka Graha is > in > > 8th causing another

affliction.Budha,the planet of intellect is > > afflicted by Rahu ,both being

in same Nakshatra Pada of Bharani - > > 1st. Muhurta on that day is 30th which

is called Maruta or wind and > > Nakshatra Nadika ( 1 Ghati or 24 Minutes ) is

43rd by name Ashwini > > which indicates failures.Also as per Kala Prakashika,

an ancient > > classic on Muhurta tells, Kanya,Tula and Vrischika Lagnas should

be> > > avoided for swearing - in or coronation Muhurtas. Here the

Lagna > > is Tula and so it is another Dosha.Guru is in 11th Vargothama but > is

> > not in any Kendra or it does not aspect Lagna. Also Guru's sign > >

dispositor Surya is in 8th from Muhurta Lagna and Guru also not > > considered

strong.Hence by considering all these factors, the > Muhurta > > chart is very

weak.So when Surya trasnits over Simha Rashi ie., > > between Aug.15 to

Sept.14,there may be some troubles to the Prime > > Minister to rule the

country from his own allies.> > > I am not going to analyse his natal chart as

the birth time is > not > > correct and needs rectification.> > > With Shri

Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,> > > Ramadas Rao.> > > > > > > > > "R.C.Srivastava"

<swami_rcs> wrote:> > > Dear list members,> > > Dr Manmohan Singh has

just taken oath at 17:32:30 ISTon > > > 22 may 2004,Libra is rising and degree

indicates vargottam lagna.> > > Lagna is chara and shirsodaya.Since birth time

known is 14 hrs > > > and yet to be rectified Therefore a observation as per

principals > > > of Muhurat will be in order.> > > > > >

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PM> > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > May 22, 2004> > > Time: > > >

17:32:30> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > Place: 77

E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> > > Delhi,> > > India> > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Tarana -

Jyeshtha> > > > > > Tithi: Sukla Tritiya (Ma) (0.91% left)> > > > > >

Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > Nakshatra:Aardra (Ra) (47.19% left)> > > > >

> Yoga: Soola (Ju)> > > Karana: Garija (Ju)> > > > > > Hora Lord:

Mercury (5 min sign: Vi)> > > Mahakala Hora:> > > Venus (5 min sign: Sg)> > >

Kaala Lord: Mars

(Mahakala: Venus)> > > > > > > > > Sunrise: 5:30:50> > > Sunset:

19:05:04> > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 30.0693> > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-54-54.71>

> > > > > --------------------> > > > > >

The simple analysis is as below> > > Mode A ( muhurat element) Uttaryana

jyestha month Shukla paksha > is > > > OK for coronation- oath taking

purposes.Ardra Nakashtra is not > > favourable> > > but it is janma nakshtra of

Dr MM Singh and therefore is > acceptable> > > in Coronation ceremony.Thithi is

odd tritya. Day is Saturday not > > > appreciated but a section of people

customary think joining post > it> >

> is ok and give stability however it is not supported by > scriptures.> > >

Libra in ascendent being shirshodya is well but a very vital dosa> > > exist.

Lagna bindu( cusp of Ascendent) is very closly afflicted> > > by Ketu-Rahu Axis

Difference of one degree is dangerous for > > longevity> > > of prime

ministership.> > > Apparently time is not chosen well may be a compulsion?,

otherwise> > > Sun in eight house is another negative factor. as per shastras >

king> > > is likly to be adversely affected on health front and affliction >

of> > > Lagna , coupled with absence of Benefic in Kendra trikona( > barring >

> Mer> > > that is vitiated by Rahu, a eunch planet in Seventh kendra of > >

Parteners> > > -hip as sixth lord where mool trikona sign rests is

disquiting > > features,> > > The tendecy of such a configuration may indicate

fall from power > > under > > > dictates of partners in power.No malefics are

in 3,6 and 11 th > > house.> > > Mode 2 ( relationship to natal chart) > > >

For the time being natal chart with time of birth 14 Hrs place> > > gah(now in

pakistan) 72 E 39: 33N03 5.30 E of GMT is taken.> > > In gochar incidently

only Sun the significator of power is > > adversely> > > transiting Nidhan star

but luckly moon mars sat and ketu are in > > Janma> > > and mercury jupitar and

rahu are passing in saadhan star.> > > Sun hora is good but nadika exhibits

Failur in dispute with > > relatives> > > and coworkers.Tara bala is missing

it is vadha so overall > picture > > is >

> > not encouraging.> > > mode 3 ( consideration based on Av and misc

techniques)> > > As per vidhya bhavan school( other being sjvc scool)For oath

> > > taking- coronation relates to Tenth house and thus strength of > Lagna> >

> Lord, Tenth lord and Moon is very important.> > > Lagna has only 23 Bindu

while tenth has only28 Bindus it shows > lack > > of> > > strengith of Lagnesh

as well of Tenth lord.obviousaly it is > > disappinting> > > Eight has sun with

17 Bindus how to interpret more experience is > > needed> > > luckily eleventh

has geater Bindus than tenth. it is good.> > > BAV situation is also not

appreciable. Lagnesh ( lagna lord) has > > > contributed only two bindus to

karya bhava whereas tenth lord has > > contributed 5 bindus.> > > Since both

way it is not good Very hard work done by king will > not > > give> > > good

impression to co- power sharer.> > > Lastly tajik yogas gives a clear dismial

picture. Venus the Lagna > > lord> > > is Retrograde and about 12 degree away

so no Tajak yoga is > formed > > between> > > karyesh and lagnesh but motion

indicates turbulant continuation > > for about> > > 13 month after that what

happens is worth learning in situation > of > > planets> > > as they exist at

time of oath taking.> > > One hope every thing goes well.Hari om tatsat> > >

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May 27, 2004

om namo näräyaëäya|

My dear Ekalavya,

I know this is not your actual name given by your parents.Now you might have

understood why I was insisting you to disclose your name.Now why are you born

to your parents ? of course ,it is a big question but in simple,I am telling

you here is that Is it not the RUNANUBANDHA with you from your parents in past

life ? Now you are writing to me asking many questions. Is it not RUNANUBANDHA

? So now if your parents give you a name which they think and is it not that

name also not RUNANUBANDHA ? Now we are all born in this earth to do some

activities like we mingle with many people, brothers,sisters,teachers in the

school,boss in company,giving some money as help,then marriage and wife,

children etc are they not our RUNANUBANDHA which was left over from past life ?

So when such a nice name of God is given to you by your parents, is it a sin to

disclose your name to the list ? Just answer all these questions to

yourself.Then only you will understand why I

asked your name .

May be you may not accept but this is the way I learnt to respect everybody who come in my life.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Noname Noname <nameisego > wrote:

Respected Rao garu ,