Karaka Bhav Naasa - BVRaman vs. COVA

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I have posted this question before but I dont ever recall getting a

clear answer. Can someone please try to answer this - if I may, can I

please ask that the post be read carefully so that the questions

actually asked are answered? It would be for the benefit of all..

 

In BV Raman's books I think I see a fairly clear and straightforward

interpretation i.e. that the dictum applies in a fairly

straightforward manner to Sthira Karakas e.g. if Sun, the Sthira

Karaka for Father is in the 9th house, then longevity may be

curtailed.

 

In Sanjay Rath's COVA, the dictum is explained to NOT apply to Sthira

Karakas (so simply Sun being in the 9th house is actually said to be

good, not bad), but to Chara Karakas in 2 ways:

1) If Chara Karaka for something happens to be the Naisargika Karaka

for the same thing (I think this is what is said) e.g. if Sun happens

to be Chara AK in a chart, then Chara AK can be even more punishing

than it may otherwise be (since Sun is also Naisargika Atma Karaka)

2) If Chara Karaka rules the house naturally signified by the type

of Karaka e.g. if Moon is Chara AK for a Cancer ascendant, the again

Chara AK would be especially punishing since I guess the first house

is somehow naturally signified by the AK.

 

So my questions are:

1) Are my interpretations of BV Raman and COVA correct? If not,

please correct them.

2) Explain why BVRaman and Sanjay Rath seemingly differ (seemingly to

me at least). If you agree they differ, then what is the truth and

why?

3) How come the 3rd obvious possibility is not discussed in COVA i.e.

if Chara Karaka is IN the house naturally signified e.g. Chara AK

being in the first house, or Chara PK being in the 9th house, or

Chara DK being in the 7th house or even Upapada. Is there nothing

special/punishing about these combinations?

 

Hoping some Guru will take up the task of giving a clear explanation..

 

Thank you,

 

Sundeep

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om gurave namah

Dear Sundeep

 

If the questions are addressed to me then I will answer them else you have to

check your chart and fortune for someone to answer. Other commets are given

under.

 

With kind regards,

Sanjay Rath

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SJC Puri: 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India

Phone: +91.6752.226269

 

vedicastrostudent [vedicastrostudent ] Friday,

December 10, 2004 12:17 AMvedic astrologySubject:

[vedic astrology] Karaka Bhav Naasa - BVRaman vs. COVA

I have posted this question before but I dont ever recall getting a clear

answer. Can someone please try to answer this - if I may, can I please ask that

the post be read carefully so that the questions actually asked are answered? It

would be for the benefit of all.. [s.Rath:] ok In BV Raman's books I think I see

a fairly clear and straightforward interpretation i.e. that the dictum applies

in a fairly straightforward manner to Sthira Karakas e.g. if Sun, the Sthira

Karaka for Father is in the 9th house, then longevity may be

curtailed.[s.Rath:] That means if people have Moon in the fourth house,

longevity of mother is curtailed, Venus in 7th indicates that the longevity of

spouse is curtailed and Sun in the 9th (father) or lagna self! Is this true? Do

you find it working in the charts of the people you have been seeing? Longevity

is a difficult issue and is not simply related to the body. When we realise

that man is a spiritual being having a material experience we shall see that

the study of the sthira karaka alone cannot provide the answers to the

longevity issue nor can the two methods taught by me till now (actually

Parasara & Jaimini's 3 pair or 3 lords rule) give the final answer. There are

other methods and there is always the overpowering influence of the atmakaraka

which must endure this body until its karma is not over.In Sanjay Rath's COVA,

the dictum is explained to NOT apply to Sthira Karakas (so simply Sun being in

the 9th house is actually said to be good, not bad), but to Chara Karakas in 2

ways:[s.Rath:] In the first place let me clarify that Dr Raman has written

books both forbeginners and advanced students and what is written for beginners

should not be taken literally as he has explained the use of the various rules

in other books for advanced students.

 

As an experiment or test let us take the Sun as the significator of Lagna and

see in how many charts has the Sun in lagna been the cause of short life and in

all such cases whether such a Sun was not associated with the atmakaraka.

 

A. Rajiv Gandhi - Sun is in Lagna in Leo with AK Mercury (45 years approx)

B. Vivekananda - Sun in lagna in Sagittarius as the AK (40 years)

C. Queen Victoria - Sun in Lagna NOT associated with the AK - very long life.

You can study more charts in this manner.

1) If Chara Karaka for something happens to be the Naisargika Karaka for the

same thing (I think this is what is said) e.g. if Sun happens to be Chara AK in

a chart, then Chara AK can be even more punishing than it may otherwise be

(since Sun is also Naisargika Atma Karaka)[s.Rath:] Please wait for my book on

charakaraka for more explanation. That book COVA is already too large although

very criptic and I thought that the pundits would wonder as to why I was spoon

feeding! I have learnt differently and the next edition of COVA will have more

explanations for each term

2) If Chara Karaka rules the house naturally signified by the type of Karaka

e.g. if Moon is Chara AK for a Cancer ascendant, the again Chara AK would be

especially punishing since I guess the first house is somehow naturally

signified by the AK.[s.Rath:] ?? What was that? So my questions are:1) Are my

interpretations of BV Raman and COVA correct? If not, please correct them.

[s.Rath:] Good attempt but it needs reflection Sundeep.2) Explain why BVRaman

and Sanjay Rath seemingly differ (seemingly to me at least). If you agree they

differ, then what is the truth and why?[s.Rath:] We do differ in some small

aspects as we belong to different traditions of Jyotish but more or less we

respect each others traditions and try to imbibe the best from each other. That

is the way it has been in the tradition.

3) How come the 3rd obvious possibility is not discussed in COVA i.e. if Chara

Karaka is IN the house naturally signified e.g. Chara AK being in the first

house, or Chara PK being in the 9th house, or Chara DK being in the 7th house

or even Upapada. Is there nothing special/punishing about these

combinations?[s.Rath:] Because COVA is not an encyclopaedia! It will be

discussed in the book on Charakaraka. COVA is meant to be the juice of the

fruit which is only a few drops and cannot describe the kalpavriksha called

Jyotish. Hoping some Guru will take up the task of giving a clear

explanation..Thank you,Sundeep[s.Rath:] Thanks for the questions. If at any

point I have sounded stern or difficult then forgive me as I have too many

things to do. I will appreciate it very much if you can prepare a detailed list

of all questions on Chara Karaka so that I can use it for the FAQ in the book. I

will surely acknowledge your effort as I am a scholar and lover of the subject

and will never let Jyotish down.

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjayji,

I consider myself fortunate to have received a reply from you. At

the time of posting, I had never really expected that you would have

the time to answer so I had addressed it to everyone out there.

Thank you very much for your reply. I eagerly await your book on

Charakarakas. I will also compile the list of questions you say -

acknowledgement is unimportant for me, the very fact that the

questions are being answered is actually more than enough.

 

Regards,

 

Sundeep