Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Dear Razdan, Should you not be looking at 3rd house? In natal chart, Mars the 6th lord aspects the 3rd and Marakesh Moon is posited there. The Lagna is in papakartari indicating problems with health.Saturn the 8th lord aspects 6th house, and is house dispositor of Mars the 6th Lord. In transit, Lord of the 3rd aspects Lagna, 6 th Lord Mars aspects the 8th house. Moon is afflicted by Rahu and squares the 3rd house and gets aspect of Mars too. Sun the 3rd Lord occupies the 6th house. Saturn the 8th Lord squares Mars. Lagnesh Mercury is aspecting Lagna in transit. Note that Mercury is attracting Kendradhipati Dosha and is in 1 degree on that date. She is Running Jup-Ven-Sat period at the time of occurrence of the attack. Venus being trine lord joins Jupiter in Kendra and thus capable of giving rise to Yoga, Saturn, the 8th Lord's Pratyantar activated the yoga. Note that in natal chart Venus is house dispositor of Saturn and Saturn turned retrograde around 8th of Nov., which could perhaps be the time when the initial inkling of spondylitis might have been felt. Chandrashekhar. PNRazdan wrote: Learned colleagues, It is said that every event in one's life even minute one is contained in ones birth chart but one needs to know how to read it. My wife had a severe attack of cervical spondalytis on 26th of Nov. '04 and I am trying to read it from her chart. Her birth details are as under:- TOB: 9:20 am DOB: May 14, 1943 POB: 34N05, 74E49 With gemini lagna, she has cancer in the second house.In the Kalpurush, second house is indicative of the neck problems. She is running Sad Sati now and saturn is transiting this house and should therefore show its effect. But no clue is forthcoming to relate it to the particular day even with the 3 degrees which donot match with anything. And then second house is indicative of many things. Normally we try to ascertain it from the dasa. In her case it is Jp/Ven/Moon and moon as second hl only confirms the second house problem but does not point out to the health problem. I am not able to find clues for zeroing in on the neck problem and its timing. Could the group discuss this as a topic so that we are able to come to some conclusion on pinpointing the exact second house problem and its timing. Pran Razdan Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Dear Chandrashekhar and Sabri, Thanks for your prompt responses. Cervical Spondylitis is a disease of the neck bones. I used the second house since second house is used for "Mukh" in the Kalpurush and most of the commentators have included neck as part of the Mukh (face). Horasar too has used the word "Kanth" again corresponding to the second house. Chandarshekharji, you have added weight to the occurrence of the disease giving additional clues. But my query still remains as to why do we suspect neck problem and not other problems attributable to the 2nd or the 3rd house as used by you. And the closest you have come to timing the event is the retrograde motion of Sat beginning Nov 9. But she never had it then. In fact this is the first time she had this attack. So timing the event remains still an area open ffor further thought. Incidentally if we use the retrograde motion of Saturn , then the neck problem fits into second house and not third. Sabriji, I am not sure DST was used in India anytime. Horoscopes were made by the local priests then based on the local time. I have reworked the horiscope and there is hardly any difference between the two. In the past I have successfully found dates of her travel on a long journey or tested even her marriage date but this recent event has alluded me so far. My wife is much better now. Thanks for your concern Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote: > Dear Razdan, > Should you not be looking at 3rd house? In natal chart, Mars the 6th > lord aspects the 3rd and Marakesh Moon is posited there. The Lagna is > in > papakartari indicating problems with health.Saturn the 8th lord > aspects > 6th house, and is house dispositor of Mars the 6th Lord. In transit, > Lord of the 3rd aspects Lagna, 6 th Lord Mars aspects the 8th house. > > Moon is afflicted by Rahu and squares the 3rd house and gets aspect > of > Mars too. Sun the 3rd Lord occupies the 6th house. Saturn the 8th > Lord > squares Mars. Lagnesh Mercury is aspecting Lagna in transit. Note > that > Mercury is attracting Kendradhipati Dosha and is in 1 degree on that > date. > She is Running Jup-Ven-Sat period at the time of occurrence of the > attack. Venus being trine lord joins Jupiter in Kendra and thus > capable > of giving rise to Yoga, Saturn, the 8th Lord's Pratyantar activated > the > yoga. Note that in natal chart Venus is house dispositor of Saturn > and > Saturn turned retrograde around 8th of Nov., which could perhaps be > the > time when the initial inkling of spondylitis might have been felt. > Chandrashekhar. > > PNRazdan wrote: > > > Learned colleagues, > > It is said that every event in one's life even minute one is > contained > > in ones birth chart but one needs to know how to read it. My wife > had a > > severe attack of cervical spondalytis on 26th of Nov. '04 and I am > > trying to read it from her chart. Her birth details are as under:- > > TOB: 9:20 am > > DOB: May 14, 1943 > > POB: 34N05, 74E49 > > With gemini lagna, she has cancer in the second house.In the > Kalpurush, > > second house is indicative of the neck problems. She is running Sad > > Sati now and saturn is transiting this house and should therefore > show > > its effect. But no clue is forthcoming to relate it to the > particular > > day even with the 3 degrees which donot match with anything. And > then > > second house is indicative of many things. Normally we try to > ascertain > > it from the dasa. In her case it is Jp/Ven/Moon and moon as second > hl > > only confirms the second house problem but does not point out to > the > > health problem. I am not able to find clues for zeroing in on the > neck > > problem and its timing. > > Could the group discuss this as a topic so that we are able to come > to > > some conclusion on pinpointing the exact second house problem and > its > > timing. > > Pran Razdan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail - You care about security. So do we. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > > > click here > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129ugc2jr/M=298184.5639630.6699735.3001176/D=groups\ /S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1101921688/A=2434971/R=0/SIG=11eeoolb0/*http://www.netflix.\ com/Default?mqso=60185400> > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > * Links* > > > > * > > vedic astrology/ > > > > * > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology?subject=Un> > > > > * Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > The all-new My - Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Dear Razdan, If you can draw the Prana dasha the reason will be clear. She was running Jup-Ven-Sat-Sat-Rahu Maha-Antar-Pratyantar-Sookshma-Prana Dasha on 26th Nov. 2004. Transit Saturn was associating Natal Rahu in Cancer then. I do not go by the principle of retrograde planet giving effects of previous house. However, Saturn generally casts the shadow on the the house which it is to enter, about 3 Months prior to its ingress of that Rasi. The period when it turned retrograde it was aspecting 8th house and had cast shadow on Lagna representing the Person, thus the results. Spondylitis is the external symptom of either constant or sudden jerk to spinal cord, resulting in compression of laminate. If you can ask your wife, whether she had such a Jerk to her spine around the time Saturn turned retrograde, why I said retrogression of Saturn might have set the yoga would be clear. As regards 2nd being the Neck, I must disagree. The texts indicate 3rd house representing, which is situated in the region of neck. Chandrashekhar. PNRazdan wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar and Sabri, Thanks for your prompt responses. Cervical Spondylitis is a disease of the neck bones. I used the second house since second house is used for "Mukh" in the Kalpurush and most of the commentators have included neck as part of the Mukh (face). Horasar too has used the word "Kanth" again corresponding to the second house. Chandarshekharji, you have added weight to the occurrence of the disease giving additional clues. But my query still remains as to why do we suspect neck problem and not other problems attributable to the 2nd or the 3rd house as used by you. And the closest you have come to timing the event is the retrograde motion of Sat beginning Nov 9. But she never had it then. In fact this is the first time she had this attack. So timing the event remains still an area open ffor further thought. Incidentally if we use the retrograde motion of Saturn , then the neck problem fits into second house and not third. Sabriji, I am not sure DST was used in India anytime. Horoscopes were made by the local priests then based on the local time. I have reworked the horiscope and there is hardly any difference between the two. In the past I have successfully found dates of her travel on a long journey or tested even her marriage date but this recent event has alluded me so far. My wife is much better now. Thanks for your concern Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Razdan, Should you not be looking at 3rd house? In natal chart, Mars the 6th lord aspects the 3rd and Marakesh Moon is posited there. The Lagna is in papakartari indicating problems with health.Saturn the 8th lord aspects 6th house, and is house dispositor of Mars the 6th Lord. In transit, Lord of the 3rd aspects Lagna, 6 th Lord Mars aspects the 8th house. Moon is afflicted by Rahu and squares the 3rd house and gets aspect of Mars too. Sun the 3rd Lord occupies the 6th house. Saturn the 8th Lord squares Mars. Lagnesh Mercury is aspecting Lagna in transit. Note that Mercury is attracting Kendradhipati Dosha and is in 1 degree on that date. She is Running Jup-Ven-Sat period at the time of occurrence of the attack. Venus being trine lord joins Jupiter in Kendra and thus capable of giving rise to Yoga, Saturn, the 8th Lord's Pratyantar activated the yoga. Note that in natal chart Venus is house dispositor of Saturn and Saturn turned retrograde around 8th of Nov., which could perhaps be the time when the initial inkling of spondylitis might have been felt. Chandrashekhar. PNRazdan wrote: Learned colleagues, It is said that every event in one's life even minute one is contained in ones birth chart but one needs to know how to read it. My wife had a severe attack of cervical spondalytis on 26th of Nov. '04 and I am trying to read it from her chart. Her birth details are as under:- TOB: 9:20 am DOB: May 14, 1943 POB: 34N05, 74E49 With gemini lagna, she has cancer in the second house.In the Kalpurush, second house is indicative of the neck problems. She is running Sad Sati now and saturn is transiting this house and should therefore show its effect. But no clue is forthcoming to relate it to the particular day even with the 3 degrees which donot match with anything. And then second house is indicative of many things. Normally we try to ascertain it from the dasa. In her case it is Jp/Ven/Moon and moon as second hl only confirms the second house problem but does not point out to the health problem. I am not able to find clues for zeroing in on the neck problem and its timing. Could the group discuss this as a topic so that we are able to come to some conclusion on pinpointing the exact second house problem and its timing. Pran Razdan Mail - You care about security. So do we. To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || * Sponsor* click here <http://us.ard./SIG=129ugc2jr/M=298184.5639630.6699735.3001176/D=groups/S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1101921688/A=2434971/R=0/SIG=11eeoolb0/*http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60185400> ------ * Links* * vedic astrology/ * vedic astrology <vedic astrology?subject=Un> * Terms of Service <>. The all-new My - Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Dear Chandrashekhar, Yes, studying Pran dasa is one way to get closer to the event. But problem with this is that it needs exact time. She had this attack for the first time in life. May be it was dormant but didnot surface earlier. She had no ailment around 9th of Nov. As regards the house defining neck region, if you have any standard book mentioning it in third house, please do communicate. In the meantime please go through Shalok 21 of Chapter I of Horasar which mentions neck in the second house as mentioned by me earlier. Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote: > Dear Razdan, > If you can draw the Prana dasha the reason will be clear. She was > running Jup-Ven-Sat-Sat-Rahu Maha-Antar-Pratyantar-Sookshma-Prana > Dasha > on 26th Nov. 2004. Transit Saturn was associating Natal Rahu in > Cancer > then. I do not go by the principle of retrograde planet giving > effects > of previous house. However, Saturn generally casts the shadow on the > the > house which it is to enter, about 3 Months prior to its ingress of > that > Rasi. The period when it turned retrograde it was aspecting 8th house > > and had cast shadow on Lagna representing the Person, thus the > results. > Spondylitis is the external symptom of either constant or sudden > jerk > to spinal cord, resulting in compression of laminate. If you can ask > your wife, whether she had such a Jerk to her spine around the time > Saturn turned retrograde, why I said retrogression of Saturn might > have > set the yoga would be clear. > > As regards 2nd being the Neck, I must disagree. The texts indicate > 3rd > house representing, which is situated in the region of neck. > Chandrashekhar. > > PNRazdan wrote: > > >Dear Chandrashekhar and Sabri, > >Thanks for your prompt responses. > >Cervical Spondylitis is a disease of the neck bones. I used the > second > >house since second house is used for "Mukh" in the Kalpurush and > most > >of the commentators have included neck as part of the Mukh (face). > >Horasar too has used the word "Kanth" again corresponding to the > second > >house. > >Chandarshekharji, you have added weight to the occurrence of the > >disease giving additional clues. But my query still remains as to > why > >do we suspect neck problem and not other problems attributable to > the > >2nd or the 3rd house as used by you. And the closest you have come > to > >timing the event is the retrograde motion of Sat beginning Nov 9. > But > >she never had it then. In fact this is the first time she had this > >attack. So timing the event remains still an area open ffor > further > >thought. Incidentally if we use the retrograde motion of Saturn , > then > >the neck problem fits into second house and not third. > >Sabriji, I am not sure DST was used in India anytime. Horoscopes > were > >made by the local priests then based on the local time. I have > reworked > >the horiscope and there is hardly any difference between the two. In > >the past I have successfully found dates of her travel on a long > >journey or tested even her marriage date but this recent event has > >alluded me so far. > >My wife is much better now. Thanks for your concern > >Pran Razdan > > > >--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote: > > > > > > > >>Dear Razdan, > >>Should you not be looking at 3rd house? In natal chart, Mars the > 6th > >>lord aspects the 3rd and Marakesh Moon is posited there. The Lagna > is > >>in > >>papakartari indicating problems with health.Saturn the 8th lord > >>aspects > >>6th house, and is house dispositor of Mars the 6th Lord. In > transit, > >>Lord of the 3rd aspects Lagna, 6 th Lord Mars aspects the 8th > house. > >> > >>Moon is afflicted by Rahu and squares the 3rd house and gets aspect > >>of > >>Mars too. Sun the 3rd Lord occupies the 6th house. Saturn the 8th > >>Lord > >>squares Mars. Lagnesh Mercury is aspecting Lagna in transit. Note > >>that > >>Mercury is attracting Kendradhipati Dosha and is in 1 degree on > that > >>date. > >>She is Running Jup-Ven-Sat period at the time of occurrence of the > >>attack. Venus being trine lord joins Jupiter in Kendra and thus > >>capable > >>of giving rise to Yoga, Saturn, the 8th Lord's Pratyantar activated > >>the > >>yoga. Note that in natal chart Venus is house dispositor of Saturn > >>and > >>Saturn turned retrograde around 8th of Nov., which could perhaps be > >>the > >>time when the initial inkling of spondylitis might have been felt. > >>Chandrashekhar. > >> > >>PNRazdan wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Learned colleagues, > >>>It is said that every event in one's life even minute one is > >>> > >>> > >>contained > >> > >> > >>>in ones birth chart but one needs to know how to read it. My wife > >>> > >>> > >>had a > >> > >> > >>>severe attack of cervical spondalytis on 26th of Nov. '04 and I am > >>>trying to read it from her chart. Her birth details are as under:- > >>>TOB: 9:20 am > >>>DOB: May 14, 1943 > >>>POB: 34N05, 74E49 > >>>With gemini lagna, she has cancer in the second house.In the > >>> > >>> > >>Kalpurush, > >> > >> > >>>second house is indicative of the neck problems. She is running > Sad > >>>Sati now and saturn is transiting this house and should therefore > >>> > >>> > >>show > >> > >> > >>>its effect. But no clue is forthcoming to relate it to the > >>> > >>> > >>particular > >> > >> > >>>day even with the 3 degrees which donot match with anything. And > >>> > >>> > >>then > >> > >> > >>>second house is indicative of many things. Normally we try to > >>> > >>> > >>ascertain > >> > >> > >>>it from the dasa. In her case it is Jp/Ven/Moon and moon as second > >>> > >>> > >>hl > >> > >> > >>>only confirms the second house problem but does not point out to > >>> > >>> > >>the > >> > >> > >>>health problem. I am not able to find clues for zeroing in on the > >>> > >>> > >>neck > >> > >> > >>>problem and its timing. > >>>Could the group discuss this as a topic so that we are able to > come > >>> > >>> > >>to > >> > >> > >>>some conclusion on pinpointing the exact second house problem and > >>> > >>> > >>its > >> > >> > >>>timing. > >>>Pran Razdan > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Mail - You care about security. So do we. > >>> > === message truncated === Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Dear Razdan, Read Jataka Parijata or any other standard text and allotment of organs of Kalapurusha would be clear. The reason of confusion is on account of the fact that instead of Neck, most texts mention arms or shoulders. The general order that is mentioned being Head, Face, arms, chest (region of heart) and so on. The connection of 3rd and throat or Neck is understood if one understands that face is the organ up to one's chin and is represented by 2nd house. If now 4th is represented of the region of Heart,what House would represent the region between Face and Chest? The obvious answer is region of throat and neck. This would become further clear if you read how organs are represented by which Drekkana arises at birth. Trust this is clear. Chandrashekhar. PNRazdan wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, Yes, studying Pran dasa is one way to get closer to the event. But problem with this is that it needs exact time. She had this attack for the first time in life. May be it was dormant but didnot surface earlier. She had no ailment around 9th of Nov. As regards the house defining neck region, if you have any standard book mentioning it in third house, please do communicate. In the meantime please go through Shalok 21 of Chapter I of Horasar which mentions neck in the second house as mentioned by me earlier. Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Razdan, If you can draw the Prana dasha the reason will be clear. She was running Jup-Ven-Sat-Sat-Rahu Maha-Antar-Pratyantar-Sookshma-Prana Dasha on 26th Nov. 2004. Transit Saturn was associating Natal Rahu in Cancer then. I do not go by the principle of retrograde planet giving effects of previous house. However, Saturn generally casts the shadow on the the house which it is to enter, about 3 Months prior to its ingress of that Rasi. The period when it turned retrograde it was aspecting 8th house and had cast shadow on Lagna representing the Person, thus the results. Spondylitis is the external symptom of either constant or sudden jerk to spinal cord, resulting in compression of laminate. If you can ask your wife, whether she had such a Jerk to her spine around the time Saturn turned retrograde, why I said retrogression of Saturn might have set the yoga would be clear. As regards 2nd being the Neck, I must disagree. The texts indicate 3rd house representing, which is situated in the region of neck. Chandrashekhar. PNRazdan wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar and Sabri, Thanks for your prompt responses. Cervical Spondylitis is a disease of the neck bones. I used the second house since second house is used for "Mukh" in the Kalpurush and most of the commentators have included neck as part of the Mukh (face). Horasar too has used the word "Kanth" again corresponding to the second house. Chandarshekharji, you have added weight to the occurrence of the disease giving additional clues. But my query still remains as to why do we suspect neck problem and not other problems attributable to the 2nd or the 3rd house as used by you. And the closest you have come to timing the event is the retrograde motion of Sat beginning Nov 9. But she never had it then. In fact this is the first time she had this attack. So timing the event remains still an area open ffor further thought. Incidentally if we use the retrograde motion of Saturn , then the neck problem fits into second house and not third. Sabriji, I am not sure DST was used in India anytime. Horoscopes were made by the local priests then based on the local time. I have reworked the horiscope and there is hardly any difference between the two. In the past I have successfully found dates of her travel on a long journey or tested even her marriage date but this recent event has alluded me so far. My wife is much better now. Thanks for your concern Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Razdan, Should you not be looking at 3rd house? In natal chart, Mars the 6th lord aspects the 3rd and Marakesh Moon is posited there. The Lagna is in papakartari indicating problems with health.Saturn the 8th lord aspects 6th house, and is house dispositor of Mars the 6th Lord. In transit, Lord of the 3rd aspects Lagna, 6 th Lord Mars aspects the 8th house. Moon is afflicted by Rahu and squares the 3rd house and gets aspect of Mars too. Sun the 3rd Lord occupies the 6th house. Saturn the 8th Lord squares Mars. Lagnesh Mercury is aspecting Lagna in transit. Note that Mercury is attracting Kendradhipati Dosha and is in 1 degree on that date. She is Running Jup-Ven-Sat period at the time of occurrence of the attack. Venus being trine lord joins Jupiter in Kendra and thus capable of giving rise to Yoga, Saturn, the 8th Lord's Pratyantar activated the yoga. Note that in natal chart Venus is house dispositor of Saturn and Saturn turned retrograde around 8th of Nov., which could perhaps be the time when the initial inkling of spondylitis might have been felt. Chandrashekhar. PNRazdan wrote: Learned colleagues, It is said that every event in one's life even minute one is contained in ones birth chart but one needs to know how to read it. My wife had a severe attack of cervical spondalytis on 26th of Nov. '04 and I am trying to read it from her chart. Her birth details are as under:- TOB: 9:20 am DOB: May 14, 1943 POB: 34N05, 74E49 With gemini lagna, she has cancer in the second house.In the Kalpurush, second house is indicative of the neck problems. She is running Sad Sati now and saturn is transiting this house and should therefore show its effect. But no clue is forthcoming to relate it to the particular day even with the 3 degrees which donot match with anything. And then second house is indicative of many things. Normally we try to ascertain it from the dasa. In her case it is Jp/Ven/Moon and moon as second hl only confirms the second house problem but does not point out to the health problem. I am not able to find clues for zeroing in on the neck problem and its timing. Could the group discuss this as a topic so that we are able to come to some conclusion on pinpointing the exact second house problem and its timing. Pran Razdan Mail - You care about security. So do we. === message truncated === Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Dear Chandrashekhar, It was only after consulting all the conventional texts including Jatak Parijata that I sent my last post asserting that neck would have to be seen from the second house. Actually all the texts show various divisions of the Kalpurush as Head, Face, Shoulders, Heart etc but donot show the sub- parts in each. I have therefore taken help from various commentators in establishing sub parts in each part. Prominent among these is Prof Vishnu Sharma and James Braha who have both shown neck, throat and right eye belonging to the second house. I also refer you to the following two web sites dealing with medical astrolgoy confirming my view above. http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/MedicalAstrology29.1.htm http://www.vedicmedicalastrology.com/bodyparts.html I would be glad to hear from you of any other reference on this subject. Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote: > Dear Razdan, > Read Jataka Parijata or any other standard text and allotment of > organs > of Kalapurusha would be clear. The reason of confusion is on account > of > the fact that instead of Neck, most texts mention arms or shoulders. > The > general order that is mentioned being Head, Face, arms, chest (region > of > heart) and so on. The connection of 3rd and throat or Neck is > understood > if one understands that face is the organ up to one's chin and is > represented by 2nd house. If now 4th is represented of the region of > Heart,what House would represent the region between Face and Chest? > The > obvious answer is region of throat and neck. This would become > further > clear if you read how organs are represented by which Drekkana arises > at > birth. > Trust this is clear. > Chandrashekhar. > > PNRazdan wrote: > > >Dear Chandrashekhar, > >Yes, studying Pran dasa is one way to get closer to the event. But > >problem with this is that it needs exact time. > >She had this attack for the first time in life. May be it was > dormant > >but didnot surface earlier. She had no ailment around 9th of Nov. > >As regards the house defining neck region, if you have any standard > >book mentioning it in third house, please do communicate. In the > >meantime please go through Shalok 21 of Chapter I of Horasar which > >mentions neck in the second house as mentioned by me earlier. > >Pran Razdan > > > >--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote: > > > > > > > >>Dear Razdan, > >>If you can draw the Prana dasha the reason will be clear. She was > >>running Jup-Ven-Sat-Sat-Rahu Maha-Antar-Pratyantar-Sookshma-Prana > >>Dasha > >>on 26th Nov. 2004. Transit Saturn was associating Natal Rahu in > >>Cancer > >>then. I do not go by the principle of retrograde planet giving > >>effects > >>of previous house. However, Saturn generally casts the shadow on > the > >>the > >>house which it is to enter, about 3 Months prior to its ingress of > >>that > >>Rasi. The period when it turned retrograde it was aspecting 8th > house > >> > >>and had cast shadow on Lagna representing the Person, thus the > >>results. > >>Spondylitis is the external symptom of either constant or sudden > >>jerk > >>to spinal cord, resulting in compression of laminate. If you can > ask > >>your wife, whether she had such a Jerk to her spine around the time > > >>Saturn turned retrograde, why I said retrogression of Saturn might > >>have > >>set the yoga would be clear. > >> > >>As regards 2nd being the Neck, I must disagree. The texts indicate > >>3rd > >>house representing, which is situated in the region of neck. > >>Chandrashekhar. > >> > >>PNRazdan wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar and Sabri, > >>>Thanks for your prompt responses. > >>>Cervical Spondylitis is a disease of the neck bones. I used the > >>> > >>> > >>second > >> > >> > >>>house since second house is used for "Mukh" in the Kalpurush and > >>> > >>> > >>most > >> > >> > >>>of the commentators have included neck as part of the Mukh (face). > >>>Horasar too has used the word "Kanth" again corresponding to the > >>> > >>> > >>second > >> > >> > >>>house. > >>>Chandarshekharji, you have added weight to the occurrence of the > >>>disease giving additional clues. But my query still remains as to > >>> > >>> > >>why > >> > >> > >>>do we suspect neck problem and not other problems attributable to > >>> > >>> > >>the > >> > >> > >>>2nd or the 3rd house as used by you. And the closest you have come > >>> > >>> > >>to > >> > >> > >>>timing the event is the retrograde motion of Sat beginning Nov 9. > >>> > >>> > >>But > >> > >> > >>>she never had it then. In fact this is the first time she had this > >>>attack. So timing the event remains still an area open ffor > >>> > >>> > >>further > >> > >> > >>>thought. Incidentally if we use the retrograde motion of Saturn , > >>> > >>> > >>then > >> > >> > >>>the neck problem fits into second house and not third. > >>>Sabriji, I am not sure DST was used in India anytime. Horoscopes > >>> > >>> > >>were > >> > >> > >>>made by the local priests then based on the local time. I have > >>> > >>> > >>reworked > >> > >> > >>>the horiscope and there is hardly any difference between the two. > In > >>>the past I have successfully found dates of her travel on a long > >>>journey or tested even her marriage date but this recent event has > >>>alluded me so far. > >>>My wife is much better now. Thanks for your concern > >>>Pran Razdan > >>> > >>>--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Dear Razdan, > >>>>Should you not be looking at 3rd house? In natal chart, Mars the > >>>> > >>>> > >>6th > >> > >> > >>>>lord aspects the 3rd and Marakesh Moon is posited there. The > Lagna > >>>> > >>>> > >>is > >> > >> > >>>>in > >>>>papakartari indicating problems with health.Saturn the 8th lord > >>>>aspects > >>>>6th house, and is house dispositor of Mars the 6th Lord. In > >>>> > >>>> > >>transit, > >> > >> > >>>>Lord of the 3rd aspects Lagna, 6 th Lord Mars aspects the 8th > >>>> > >>>> > >>house. > >> > >> > >>>>Moon is afflicted by Rahu and squares the 3rd house and gets > aspect > >>>>of > >>>>Mars too. Sun the 3rd Lord occupies the 6th house. Saturn the 8th > >>>>Lord > >>>>squares Mars. Lagnesh Mercury is aspecting Lagna in transit. Note > >>>>that > === message truncated === Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Dear Razdan, If you can refer to commentary of Gopeshkumar Oza on Jataka Parijata, you will find the various parts of body related to various houses explained at length. I do not know the basis of Vishnu Sharma or James Braha allocating Neck to 2nd house and could not comment on it. If it is from classics they say Vaktr, indicating Face, which by any stretch of imagination can not be equated to throat or Neck. 2nd house is also Vacha Sthana and one does speak through mouth. The division of organs would be clear if you look at allotment to organs to Drekkana.Whereas Head and face related organs are divided over 12 Rasis for 1st Drekkana, 2nd Drekkana organ group starts very clearly from Kantha (Throat). Trust this clarifies the source of the statement that Neck or throat is represented by 3rd house. Chandrashekhar. PNRazdan wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, It was only after consulting all the conventional texts including Jatak Parijata that I sent my last post asserting that neck would have to be seen from the second house. Actually all the texts show various divisions of the Kalpurush as Head, Face, Shoulders, Heart etc but donot show the sub- parts in each. I have therefore taken help from various commentators in establishing sub parts in each part. Prominent among these is Prof Vishnu Sharma and James Braha who have both shown neck, throat and right eye belonging to the second house. I also refer you to the following two web sites dealing with medical astrolgoy confirming my view above. http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/MedicalAstrology29.1.htm http://www.vedicmedicalastrology.com/bodyparts.html I would be glad to hear from you of any other reference on this subject. Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Razdan, Read Jataka Parijata or any other standard text and allotment of organs of Kalapurusha would be clear. The reason of confusion is on account of the fact that instead of Neck, most texts mention arms or shoulders. The general order that is mentioned being Head, Face, arms, chest (region of heart) and so on. The connection of 3rd and throat or Neck is understood if one understands that face is the organ up to one's chin and is represented by 2nd house. If now 4th is represented of the region of Heart,what House would represent the region between Face and Chest? The obvious answer is region of throat and neck. This would become further clear if you read how organs are represented by which Drekkana arises at birth. Trust this is clear. Chandrashekhar. PNRazdan wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, Yes, studying Pran dasa is one way to get closer to the event. But problem with this is that it needs exact time. She had this attack for the first time in life. May be it was dormant but didnot surface earlier. She had no ailment around 9th of Nov. As regards the house defining neck region, if you have any standard book mentioning it in third house, please do communicate. In the meantime please go through Shalok 21 of Chapter I of Horasar which mentions neck in the second house as mentioned by me earlier. Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Razdan, If you can draw the Prana dasha the reason will be clear. She was running Jup-Ven-Sat-Sat-Rahu Maha-Antar-Pratyantar-Sookshma-Prana Dasha on 26th Nov. 2004. Transit Saturn was associating Natal Rahu in Cancer then. I do not go by the principle of retrograde planet giving effects of previous house. However, Saturn generally casts the shadow on the the house which it is to enter, about 3 Months prior to its ingress of that Rasi. The period when it turned retrograde it was aspecting 8th house and had cast shadow on Lagna representing the Person, thus the results. Spondylitis is the external symptom of either constant or sudden jerk to spinal cord, resulting in compression of laminate. If you can ask your wife, whether she had such a Jerk to her spine around the time Saturn turned retrograde, why I said retrogression of Saturn might have set the yoga would be clear. As regards 2nd being the Neck, I must disagree. The texts indicate 3rd house representing, which is situated in the region of neck. Chandrashekhar. PNRazdan wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar and Sabri, Thanks for your prompt responses. Cervical Spondylitis is a disease of the neck bones. I used the second house since second house is used for "Mukh" in the Kalpurush and most of the commentators have included neck as part of the Mukh (face). Horasar too has used the word "Kanth" again corresponding to the second house. Chandarshekharji, you have added weight to the occurrence of the disease giving additional clues. But my query still remains as to why do we suspect neck problem and not other problems attributable to the 2nd or the 3rd house as used by you. And the closest you have come to timing the event is the retrograde motion of Sat beginning Nov 9. But she never had it then. In fact this is the first time she had this attack. So timing the event remains still an area open ffor further thought. Incidentally if we use the retrograde motion of Saturn , then the neck problem fits into second house and not third. Sabriji, I am not sure DST was used in India anytime. Horoscopes were made by the local priests then based on the local time. I have reworked the horiscope and there is hardly any difference between the two. In the past I have successfully found dates of her travel on a long journey or tested even her marriage date but this recent event has alluded me so far. My wife is much better now. Thanks for your concern Pran Razdan --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Razdan, Should you not be looking at 3rd house? In natal chart, Mars the 6th lord aspects the 3rd and Marakesh Moon is posited there. The Lagna is in papakartari indicating problems with health.Saturn the 8th lord aspects 6th house, and is house dispositor of Mars the 6th Lord. In transit, Lord of the 3rd aspects Lagna, 6 th Lord Mars aspects the 8th house. Moon is afflicted by Rahu and squares the 3rd house and gets aspect of Mars too. Sun the 3rd Lord occupies the 6th house. Saturn the 8th Lord squares Mars. Lagnesh Mercury is aspecting Lagna in transit. Note that === message truncated === Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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