Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Dear Raman, Do you think Veerappan's body structure and mentality, match Makara Lagna? Chandrashekhar. Raman Suprajarama wrote: st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Dear friends and scholars, Namsthe! I was looking at the chart of Veerappan (details furnished by VA members). 18th January 1952 at 8.41 am at Kollegal in Dharmapuri Dt. Tamil Nadu I am of the opinion that the above birth details are incorrect. Can we have a discussion on the same? The birth data rectified by me is as follows : Veerappan (Rectified by RS) January 18, 1952 Time: 7:35:17 am Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 07' 00", 12 N 09' 00" Kollegal, India Observing the characters of Veerappan, I think he is Makara Lagna and not Kumbha Lagna. Taking Makara also explains his death (by encounter). Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Dear Sri Chandrashekar, Namasthe! I feel his body structure matches Makara lagna, especially his face. There are other reasons for changing the birth time. They are as follows: 1) As native of Kumbha lagna, Lagnadhipathi would have put his lifespan to Purnayus 2) 8th lord Mercury, for kumbha lagna, is present in 10th and does not indicate death by encounter. 3) In Navamsa, 8th is aspected by Mars, but as Lagnadhipathi such a death again is not indicated 4) In rasi chart, with lagna as Kumbha, exchange of 9th and 10th lords, gives a lower variant of Dharmakarmadhipathi which does not fit him. 5) In case of Makara, Ketu in 8th a good indication of death by encounter. 6) In Navamsa also, Mars is present in 8th house, indicating death by weapons. Moreover, Sagittarius, a war-like sign is 8th in Navamsa. 7) The exchange of 10th and 11th houses can be explained by his roaring business! 8) At the time of death, he was running Sat-Sat-Sun (using rectified time). I would like to hear your observations. Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama ______ Chandrashekhar [boxdel] Friday, November 12, 2004 1:28 AM Raman Suprajarama Cc: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re-visiting Veerappan's Chart Dear Raman, Do you think Veerappan's body structure and mentality, match Makara Lagna? Chandrashekhar. Raman Suprajarama wrote: Dear friends and scholars, Namsthe! I was looking at the chart of Veerappan (details furnished by VA members). 18th January 1952 at 8.41 am at Kollegal in Dharmapuri Dt. Tamil Nadu I am of the opinion that the above birth details are incorrect. Can we have a discussion on the same? The birth data rectified by me is as follows : Veerappan (Rectified by RS) Date: January 18, 1952 Time: 7:35:17 am Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 07' 00", 12 N 09' 00" Kollegal, India Observing the characters of Veerappan, I think he is Makara Lagna and not Kumbha Lagna. Taking Makara also explains his death (by encounter). Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Eliminate Your Debt! · Get out of Debt Now · Christian counselors available · Click here to find out how you can become free from debt. ______• vedic astrology/ • vedic astrology • Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Hello Mr. Raman, Details furnished by the undersigned cannot be called as incorrect. Since they were from THE HINDU. You are using Raman Ayanamsha hence dasa bhukti and other parameters like Lagna position that you derive would in no way match with others. You would need to hence make changes in birth time to suit the eventsand bring up appropriate dasa-bhukti and so on. Self has nothing against anyone using any ayanamsha but it has been observed that most cases taken up by you need rectification of time. This is just an observation. Please correct if wrong. Tatvam-Asi By the way, his whimsical nature and pitiless heart goes fine with Kumbha Lagna with Rahu in it. It is Rahu that roams in jungle. Please mark Lagna lord in 8th with Moon in Kanya , He was mostly underground or patala away from the society. vedic astrology, "Raman Suprajarama" <cru115@n...> wrote: > Dear Sri Chandrashekar, > > Namasthe! > > I feel his body structure matches Makara lagna, especially his face. There > are other reasons for changing the birth time. They are as follows: > 1) As native of Kumbha lagna, Lagnadhipathi would have put his lifespan to > Purnayus > 2) 8th lord Mercury, for kumbha lagna, is present in 10th and does not > indicate death by encounter. > 3) In Navamsa, 8th is aspected by Mars, but as Lagnadhipathi such a death > again is not indicated > 4) In rasi chart, with lagna as Kumbha, exchange of 9th and 10th lords, > gives a lower variant of Dharmakarmadhipathi which does not fit him. > 5) In case of Makara, Ketu in 8th a good indication of death by encounter. > 6) In Navamsa also, Mars is present in 8th house, indicating death by > weapons. Moreover, Sagittarius, a war-like sign is 8th in Navamsa. > 7) The exchange of 10th and 11th houses can be explained by his roaring > business! > 8) At the time of death, he was running Sat-Sat-Sun (using rectified time). > > I would like to hear your observations. > > Om Tat Sat, > > Raman Suprajarama > > > > > ______ > Chandrashekhar [boxdel] > Friday, November 12, 2004 1:28 AM > Raman Suprajarama > Cc: vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] Re-visiting Veerappan's Chart > > Dear Raman, > Do you think Veerappan's body structure and mentality, match Makara Lagna? > Chandrashekhar. > > Raman Suprajarama wrote: > > Dear friends and scholars, > > Namsthe! > > I was looking at the chart of Veerappan (details furnished by VA members). > > 18th January 1952 at 8.41 am at Kollegal in Dharmapuri Dt. Tamil Nadu > > I am of the opinion that the above birth details are incorrect. Can we have > a discussion on the same? The birth data rectified by me is as follows : > > Veerappan (Rectified by RS) > > Date: January 18, 1952 > Time: 7:35:17 am > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 77 E 07' 00", 12 N 09' 00" > Kollegal, India > > Observing the characters of Veerappan, I think he is Makara Lagna and not > Kumbha Lagna. Taking Makara also explains his death (by encounter). > > Om Tat Sat, > > Raman Suprajarama > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Sponsor > > > Eliminate Your Debt! > · > Get out of Debt Now · Christian counselors available > · > Click here to find out how you can become free from debt. ______ > Links > • > vedic astrology/ > > • > vedic astrology > > • Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Dear Raman, I respect your knowledge much. I am giving my comments below on the basis of how I would look at the chart to fix Lagna. So please do not misunderstand me. You are perhaps using Ayanamsha other than Lahiri, since I do not get Mars in 8th house in Navamsha. 1) With Jalachara Rasi getting aspect of Mars, do you think he would be wiry with aquiline features? 2) With even Kumbha Lagna his lord of 8th occupies a Dual Lagna, would this indicate Purnaayu? 3) With Lahiri, for Kumbha Lagna, Navamsha Lagna comes to Libra and not Scorpio. 4) I would think DK yoga does suit him. Of course our opinion on DK yoga might be different. I view it as occurring where the person becomes a trend setter in his line of work . You perhaps go with the view that it indicates a pious person only. 5) I would look at Ketu as being able to give results of Sun and Mars. Then it would mean Ashtamesh in 8th protecting life and Mars becoming milder by owning Kendra, though blood related diseases could be there in nether region.The way he was trapped through an informer (deceit), is more in line with Saturn or Rahu. If I remember right, there is a lot of speculation as to whether it was a staged encounter. There is even an investigation going on about whether he committed suicide or was killed by Police. The news appearing on India is below. Sunday October 24, 12:35 AM 'Local Police' investigate Veerappan's death By ChennaiOnline News Service Chennai, Oct 23: The Chief of the Karnataka Special Task Force (STF), Jothi Prakash Mirzi, today said the ''local police'' was investigating into the reports that forest brigand Veerappan had committed ''suicide'' and not killed in the encounter on October 18. He told reporters at the Chennai Aiport before leaving for Bangalore that ''only investigation will reveal whether it was a suicide or killing''. ''STF is not investigating into the matter. It is being done by the local police'', he said. He had earlier called on the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa at the secretariat, to thank her for her ''support and guidance'' in successfully eliminating the forest brigand in a mid-night encounter on Monday last. Mirzi described the meeting as a courtesy call to thank her for the support for STF operations. An official press release here said that Jayalalithaa thanked Mirzi for the successful operation, in cooperation with the Tamil Nadu STF personnel. (Our Correspondent) 6) Comment at the end of first sentence only. 7) That is also explained by DK yoga. Coco Channel and Sofia Lauren too had this yoga and their riches were legendary. 8) The dashas do match but so do they in Kumbha. What about Gochara position of Lagna Lord and Jupiter? Would these too not have to co-inside to give death? With Makara Lagna Saturn would be aspecting lagna and so would Jupiter, not a very appropriate for death to occur, I would say. Raman Suprajarama wrote: Dear Sri Chandrashekar, Namasthe! I feel his body structure matches Makara lagna, especially his face. There are other reasons for changing the birth time. They are as follows: 1) As native of Kumbha lagna, Lagnadhipathi would have put his lifespan to Purnayus 2) 8th lord Mercury, for kumbha lagna, is present in 10th and does not indicate death by encounter. 3) In Navamsa, 8th is aspected by Mars, but as Lagnadhipathi such a death again is not indicated 4) In rasi chart, with lagna as Kumbha, exchange of 9th and 10th lords, gives a lower variant of Dharmakarmadhipathi which does not fit him. 5) In case of Makara, Ketu in 8th a good indication of death by encounter. 6) In Navamsa also, Mars is present in 8th house, indicating death by weapons. Moreover, Sagittarius, a war-like sign is 8th in Navamsa. 7) The exchange of 10th and 11th houses can be explained by his roaring business! 8) At the time of death, he was running Sat-Sat-Sun (using rectified time). I would like to hear your observations. Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama ______ Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Friday, November 12, 2004 1:28 AM Raman Suprajarama Cc: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re-visiting Veerappan's Chart Dear Raman, Do you think Veerappan's body structure and mentality, match Makara Lagna? Chandrashekhar. Raman Suprajarama wrote: Dear friends and scholars, Namsthe! I was looking at the chart of Veerappan (details furnished by VA members). 18th January 1952 at 8.41 am at Kollegal in Dharmapuri Dt. Tamil Nadu I am of the opinion that the above birth details are incorrect. Can we have a discussion on the same? The birth data rectified by me is as follows : Veerappan (Rectified by RS) January 18, 1952 Time: 7:35:17 am Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 07' 00", 12 N 09' 00" Kollegal, India Observing the characters of Veerappan, I think he is Makara Lagna and not Kumbha Lagna. Taking Makara also explains his death (by encounter). Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama Eliminate Your Debt! · Get out of Debt Now · Christian counselors available · Click here to find out how you can become free from debt. ______• vedic astrology/ • vedic astrology • Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 Dear Sri Chandrasekhar and Nameisego, Namasthe! In all humbleness, following is my reply: I am using Raman Ayanamsa. The question of Ayanamsa has been a topic of debate for quite sometime in the astrological world. Being vex, the usage of Ayanamsa varies from student to student. Based on my personal experience and also revered grandfather's and father's experiences, I find Raman Ayanamsa accurate. However, a student of astrology is free to use his desired Ayanamsa. Rectification of charts is usually taken up, so as to ensure minimization of errors during prediction. An astrologer's moral duty is to guide the person accurately and hence rectification of time of birth, if needed, has to be done. >Please mark Lagna lord in 8th >with Moon in Kanya , He was mostly underground or patala away >from the society. I request you to kindly throw more light on this. Purnayus, for kumbha lagna, is present as lagna lord in the 8th increases the lifespan, and he is in conjunction with moon. This is also supported by Mercury, 8th lord occuping 10th (Simha) in Navamsa, whose lord Sun aspects him. With regard to Makara Lagna, the question of longevity seems quite difficult to asses from the Rasi chart. Lagna lord Saturn in the 9th with Jupiter's blessings is good. But Ketu in 8th with sign dispositor Sun in Lagna, madhyayus is indicated. According to the three-pair method, Madhyayus is indicated. For the benefit of other readers, I give below a method that I usually follow: Note the Rasis of a) Lagna Drekkanna Rasi and Chandra Drekkanna Rasi b) Lagna Navamsa Rasi and Chandra Navamsa Rasi c) Lagna Dwadasamsa Rasi and Chandra Dwadasamsa Rasi If the combination is CC, CS or CD then it indicates Pooranyus If the combination is SC, SS or SD, then it indicates Madhyayus If the combination is DC, DS or DD, then it indicates Alpayus Where, C stands for Chara Rasi S stands for Sthira Rasi D stands for Dwiswabhava Rasi With rectified time, Madhyayus is indicated. The influence of Jalachara Rasi is not dominant, as the strength is gained only when it gains the 4th Bhava. Varahamihira in Brihat Jataka (1-17) says "Jalachara Rasi's namely Kataka, Meena and 2nd half of Makara become powerful in the fourth" As indicated by you, I am of the opinion that Dharmakarmadhipathi Yoga makes a man do "ethical" deeds. Jupiter in a trine from Sun indicates death as Sun is lord of the 8th and also the lord of the 22nd Drekanna. "Udyadreganathaathasya thathaa Randhraadhipasya cha, randradrekkanapasyaapi bhamshakone guray mruthihi" Also transit Sun in 6th, 7th and 12th from natal Venus indicates death. Extending further, with rectified time, Simha rasi becomes 8th house indicating death due to wild beasts, fever, boils or enemies. With Kumbha Lagna, 8th house is Kanya indicte death due to Women, veneral disease or by fall from height. The article that you have posted has brought in a new dimension. According to Phaladeepika, Ketu can result in unnatural deaths such as suicide. Looking forward for your replies. Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama ______ Chandrashekhar [boxdel] Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:18 AM Raman Suprajarama Cc: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re-visiting Veerappan's Chart Dear Raman, I respect your knowledge much. I am giving my comments below on the basis of how I would look at the chart to fix Lagna. So please do not misunderstand me. You are perhaps using Ayanamsha other than Lahiri, since I do not get Mars in 8th house in Navamsha. 1) With Jalachara Rasi getting aspect of Mars, do you think he would be wiry with aquiline features? 2) With even Kumbha Lagna his lord of 8th occupies a Dual Lagna, would this indicate Purnaayu? 3) With Lahiri, for Kumbha Lagna, Navamsha Lagna comes to Libra and not Scorpio. 4) I would think DK yoga does suit him. Of course our opinion on DK yoga might be different. I view it as occurring where the person becomes a trend setter in his line of work . You perhaps go with the view that it indicates a pious person only. 5) I would look at Ketu as being able to give results of Sun and Mars. Then it would mean Ashtamesh in 8th protecting life and Mars becoming milder by owning Kendra, though blood related diseases could be there in nether region.The way he was trapped through an informer (deceit), is more in line with Saturn or Rahu. If I remember right, there is a lot of speculation as to whether it was a staged encounter. There is even an investigation going on about whether he committed suicide or was killed by Police. The news appearing on India is below. Sunday October 24, 12:35 AM 'Local Police' investigate Veerappan's death By ChennaiOnline News Service Chennai, Oct 23: The Chief of the Karnataka Special Task Force (STF), Jothi Prakash Mirzi, today said the ''local police'' was investigating into the reports that forest brigand Veerappan had committed ''suicide'' and not killed in the encounter on October 18. He told reporters at the Chennai Aiport before leaving for Bangalore that ''only investigation will reveal whether it was a suicide or killing''. ''STF is not investigating into the matter. It is being done by the local police'', he said. He had earlier called on the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa at the secretariat, to thank her for her ''support and guidance'' in successfully eliminating the forest brigand in a mid-night encounter on Monday last. Mirzi described the meeting as a courtesy call to thank her for the support for STF operations. An official press release here said that Jayalalithaa thanked Mirzi for the successful operation, in cooperation with the Tamil Nadu STF personnel. (Our Correspondent) 6) Comment at the end of first sentence only. 7) That is also explained by DK yoga. Coco Channel and Sofia Lauren too had this yoga and their riches were legendary. 8) The dashas do match but so do they in Kumbha. What about Gochara position of Lagna Lord and Jupiter? Would these too not have to co-inside to give death? With Makara Lagna Saturn would be aspecting lagna and so would Jupiter, not a very appropriate for death to occur, I would say. Raman Suprajarama wrote: Dear Sri Chandrashekar, Namasthe! I feel his body structure matches Makara lagna, especially his face. There are other reasons for changing the birth time. They are as follows: 1) As native of Kumbha lagna, Lagnadhipathi would have put his lifespan to Purnayus 2) 8th lord Mercury, for kumbha lagna, is present in 10th and does not indicate death by encounter. 3) In Navamsa, 8th is aspected by Mars, but as Lagnadhipathi such a death again is not indicated 4) In rasi chart, with lagna as Kumbha, exchange of 9th and 10th lords, gives a lower variant of Dharmakarmadhipathi which does not fit him. 5) In case of Makara, Ketu in 8th a good indication of death by encounter. 6) In Navamsa also, Mars is present in 8th house, indicating death by weapons. Moreover, Sagittarius, a war-like sign is 8th in Navamsa. 7) The exchange of 10th and 11th houses can be explained by his roaring business! 8) At the time of death, he was running Sat-Sat-Sun (using rectified time). I would like to hear your observations. Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama ______ Chandrashekhar [boxdel] Friday, November 12, 2004 1:28 AM Raman Suprajarama Cc: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re-visiting Veerappan's Chart Dear Raman, Do you think Veerappan's body structure and mentality, match Makara Lagna? Chandrashekhar. Raman Suprajarama wrote: Dear friends and scholars, Namsthe! I was looking at the chart of Veerappan (details furnished by VA members). 18th January 1952 at 8.41 am at Kollegal in Dharmapuri Dt. Tamil Nadu I am of the opinion that the above birth details are incorrect. Can we have a discussion on the same? The birth data rectified by me is as follows : Veerappan (Rectified by RS) Date: January 18, 1952 Time: 7:35:17 am Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 07' 00", 12 N 09' 00" Kollegal, India Observing the characters of Veerappan, I think he is Makara Lagna and not Kumbha Lagna. Taking Makara also explains his death (by encounter). Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Eliminate Your Debt! · Get out of Debt Now · Christian counselors available · Click here to find out how you can become free from debt. ______• vedic astrology/ • vedic astrology • || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Eliminate Your Debt! · Get out of Debt Now · Christian counselors available · Click here to find out how you can become free from debt. ______• vedic astrology/ • vedic astrology • Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 Dear Raman, Why would Lagna lord by its mere presence in 8th give Purnaayu. I think the Rasis occupied by Lagna and 8th lord have to be analyzed to find out longevity. Second pair being Moon and Saturn, both of which also being in Dual sign indicate Madhyaayu. So could you , perhaps, care to give reference where Lagna Lord's occupation of 8th gives Purnaayu, as I am certain you must have it. It would be interesting to look at the logic behind such a statement. I know that Lagnesh in 8th does give a healthy constitution, but Purnaayu, I have not yet read about. I would also like to know the source of Ayurdaya method used by you. This should prove very helpful. Varahamihira does not say that Jalachara Rasis in 4th give corpulence or a stout body. I was referring to his being wiry and with hirsute mustachios, which is influenced by Lagna and hence reference to Makara with Mars's aspect vs. Kumbha with Rahu occupying it. Chandrashekhar. R Raman Suprajarama wrote: Dear Sri Chandrasekhar and Nameisego, Namasthe! In all humbleness, following is my reply: I am using Raman Ayanamsa. The question of Ayanamsa has been a topic of debate for quite sometime in the astrological world. Being vex, the usage of Ayanamsa varies from student to student. Based on my personal experience and also revered grandfather's and father's experiences, I find Raman Ayanamsa accurate. However, a student of astrology is free to use his desired Ayanamsa. Rectification of charts is usually taken up, so as to ensure minimization of errors during prediction. An astrologer's moral duty is to guide the person accurately and hence rectification of time of birth, if needed, has to be done. >Please mark Lagna lord in 8th >with Moon in Kanya , He was mostly underground or patala away >from the society. I request you to kindly throw more light on this. Purnayus, for kumbha lagna, is present as lagna lord in the 8th increases the lifespan, and he is in conjunction with moon. This is also supported by Mercury, 8th lord occuping 10th (Simha) in Navamsa, whose lord Sun aspects him. With regard to Makara Lagna, the question of longevity seems quite difficult to asses from the Rasi chart. Lagna lord Saturn in the 9th with Jupiter's blessings is good. But Ketu in 8th with sign dispositor Sun in Lagna, madhyayus is indicated. According to the three-pair method, Madhyayus is indicated. For the benefit of other readers, I give below a method that I usually follow: Note the Rasis of a) Lagna Drekkanna Rasi and Chandra Drekkanna Rasi b) Lagna Navamsa Rasi and Chandra Navamsa Rasi c) Lagna Dwadasamsa Rasi and Chandra Dwadasamsa Rasi If the combination is CC, CS or CD then it indicates Pooranyus If the combination is SC, SS or SD, then it indicates Madhyayus If the combination is DC, DS or DD, then it indicates Alpayus Where, C stands for Chara Rasi S stands for Sthira Rasi D stands for Dwiswabhava Rasi With rectified time, Madhyayus is indicated. The influence of Jalachara Rasi is not dominant, as the strength is gained only when it gains the 4th Bhava. Varahamihira in Brihat Jataka (1-17) says "Jalachara Rasi's namely Kataka, Meena and 2nd half of Makara become powerful in the fourth" As indicated by you, I am of the opinion that Dharmakarmadhipathi Yoga makes a man do "ethical" deeds. Jupiter in a trine from Sun indicates death as Sun is lord of the 8th and also the lord of the 22nd Drekanna. "Udyadreganathaathasya thathaa Randhraadhipasya cha, randradrekkanapasyaapi bhamshakone guray mruthihi" Also transit Sun in 6th, 7th and 12th from natal Venus indicates death. Extending further, with rectified time, Simha rasi becomes 8th house indicating death due to wild beasts, fever, boils or enemies. With Kumbha Lagna, 8th house is Kanya indicte death due to Women, veneral disease or by fall from height. The article that you have posted has brought in a new dimension. According to Phaladeepika, Ketu can result in unnatural deaths such as suicide. Looking forward for your replies. Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama ______ Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:18 AM Raman Suprajarama Cc: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re-visiting Veerappan's Chart Dear Raman, I respect your knowledge much. I am giving my comments below on the basis of how I would look at the chart to fix Lagna. So please do not misunderstand me. You are perhaps using Ayanamsha other than Lahiri, since I do not get Mars in 8th house in Navamsha. 1) With Jalachara Rasi getting aspect of Mars, do you think he would be wiry with aquiline features? 2) With even Kumbha Lagna his lord of 8th occupies a Dual Lagna, would this indicate Purnaayu? 3) With Lahiri, for Kumbha Lagna, Navamsha Lagna comes to Libra and not Scorpio. 4) I would think DK yoga does suit him. Of course our opinion on DK yoga might be different. I view it as occurring where the person becomes a trend setter in his line of work . You perhaps go with the view that it indicates a pious person only. 5) I would look at Ketu as being able to give results of Sun and Mars. Then it would mean Ashtamesh in 8th protecting life and Mars becoming milder by owning Kendra, though blood related diseases could be there in nether region.The way he was trapped through an informer (deceit), is more in line with Saturn or Rahu. If I remember right, there is a lot of speculation as to whether it was a staged encounter. There is even an investigation going on about whether he committed suicide or was killed by Police. The news appearing on India is below. Sunday October 24, 12:35 AM 'Local Police' investigate Veerappan's death By ChennaiOnline News Service Chennai, Oct 23: The Chief of the Karnataka Special Task Force (STF), Jothi Prakash Mirzi, today said the ''local police'' was investigating into the reports that forest brigand Veerappan had committed ''suicide'' and not killed in the encounter on October 18. He told reporters at the Chennai Aiport before leaving for Bangalore that ''only investigation will reveal whether it was a suicide or killing''. ''STF is not investigating into the matter. It is being done by the local police'', he said. He had earlier called on the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa at the secretariat, to thank her for her ''support and guidance'' in successfully eliminating the forest brigand in a mid-night encounter on Monday last. Mirzi described the meeting as a courtesy call to thank her for the support for STF operations. An official press release here said that Jayalalithaa thanked Mirzi for the successful operation, in cooperation with the Tamil Nadu STF personnel. (Our Correspondent) 6) Comment at the end of first sentence only. 7) That is also explained by DK yoga. Coco Channel and Sofia Lauren too had this yoga and their riches were legendary. 8) The dashas do match but so do they in Kumbha. What about Gochara position of Lagna Lord and Jupiter? Would these too not have to co-inside to give death? With Makara Lagna Saturn would be aspecting lagna and so would Jupiter, not a very appropriate for death to occur, I would say. Raman Suprajarama wrote: Dear Sri Chandrashekar, Namasthe! I feel his body structure matches Makara lagna, especially his face. There are other reasons for changing the birth time. They are as follows: 1) As native of Kumbha lagna, Lagnadhipathi would have put his lifespan to Purnayus 2) 8th lord Mercury, for kumbha lagna, is present in 10th and does not indicate death by encounter. 3) In Navamsa, 8th is aspected by Mars, but as Lagnadhipathi such a death again is not indicated 4) In rasi chart, with lagna as Kumbha, exchange of 9th and 10th lords, gives a lower variant of Dharmakarmadhipathi which does not fit him. 5) In case of Makara, Ketu in 8th a good indication of death by encounter. 6) In Navamsa also, Mars is present in 8th house, indicating death by weapons. Moreover, Sagittarius, a war-like sign is 8th in Navamsa. 7) The exchange of 10th and 11th houses can be explained by his roaring business! 8) At the time of death, he was running Sat-Sat-Sun (using rectified time). I would like to hear your observations. Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama ______ Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Friday, November 12, 2004 1:28 AM Raman Suprajarama Cc: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re-visiting Veerappan's Chart Dear Raman, Do you think Veerappan's body structure and mentality, match Makara Lagna? Chandrashekhar. Raman Suprajarama wrote: Dear friends and scholars, Namsthe! I was looking at the chart of Veerappan (details furnished by VA members). 18th January 1952 at 8.41 am at Kollegal in Dharmapuri Dt. Tamil Nadu I am of the opinion that the above birth details are incorrect. Can we have a discussion on the same? The birth data rectified by me is as follows : Veerappan (Rectified by RS) January 18, 1952 Time: 7:35:17 am Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 07' 00", 12 N 09' 00" Kollegal, India Observing the characters of Veerappan, I think he is Makara Lagna and not Kumbha Lagna. Taking Makara also explains his death (by encounter). Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama Eliminate Your Debt! · Get out of Debt Now · Christian counselors available · Click here to find out how you can become free from debt. ______• vedic astrology/ • vedic astrology • Eliminate Your Debt! · Get out of Debt Now · Christian counselors available · Click here to find out how you can become free from debt. ______• vedic astrology/ • vedic astrology • Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 Dear Sri Chandrashekar, Namasthe! I am of the opinion that Lagna lord in 8th along with the Moon with a natural benefic Jupiter viewing them is good indication of Purnayus. The ayus method is given in Phaladeepika of Mantreshwara. Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama ______ Chandrashekhar [boxdel] Sunday, November 14, 2004 1:44 AM Raman Suprajarama Cc: vedic astrology; 'nameisego' Re: [vedic astrology] Re-visiting Veerappan's Chart Dear Raman, Why would Lagna lord by its mere presence in 8th give Purnaayu. I think the Rasis occupied by Lagna and 8th lord have to be analyzed to find out longevity. Second pair being Moon and Saturn, both of which also being in Dual sign indicate Madhyaayu. So could you , perhaps, care to give reference where Lagna Lord's occupation of 8th gives Purnaayu, as I am certain you must have it. It would be interesting to look at the logic behind such a statement. I know that Lagnesh in 8th does give a healthy constitution, but Purnaayu, I have not yet read about. I would also like to know the source of Ayurdaya method used by you. This should prove very helpful. Varahamihira does not say that Jalachara Rasis in 4th give corpulence or a stout body. I was referring to his being wiry and with hirsute mustachios, which is influenced by Lagna and hence reference to Makara with Mars's aspect vs. Kumbha with Rahu occupying it. Chandrashekhar. R Raman Suprajarama wrote: Dear Sri Chandrasekhar and Nameisego, Namasthe! In all humbleness, following is my reply: I am using Raman Ayanamsa. The question of Ayanamsa has been a topic of debate for quite sometime in the astrological world. Being vex, the usage of Ayanamsa varies from student to student. Based on my personal experience and also revered grandfather's and father's experiences, I find Raman Ayanamsa accurate. However, a student of astrology is free to use his desired Ayanamsa. Rectification of charts is usually taken up, so as to ensure minimization of errors during prediction. An astrologer's moral duty is to guide the person accurately and hence rectification of time of birth, if needed, has to be done. >Please mark Lagna lord in 8th >with Moon in Kanya , He was mostly underground or patala away >from the society. I request you to kindly throw more light on this. Purnayus, for kumbha lagna, is present as lagna lord in the 8th increases the lifespan, and he is in conjunction with moon. This is also supported by Mercury, 8th lord occuping 10th (Simha) in Navamsa, whose lord Sun aspects him. With regard to Makara Lagna, the question of longevity seems quite difficult to asses from the Rasi chart. Lagna lord Saturn in the 9th with Jupiter's blessings is good. But Ketu in 8th with sign dispositor Sun in Lagna, madhyayus is indicated. According to the three-pair method, Madhyayus is indicated. For the benefit of other readers, I give below a method that I usually follow: Note the Rasis of a) Lagna Drekkanna Rasi and Chandra Drekkanna Rasi b) Lagna Navamsa Rasi and Chandra Navamsa Rasi c) Lagna Dwadasamsa Rasi and Chandra Dwadasamsa Rasi If the combination is CC, CS or CD then it indicates Pooranyus If the combination is SC, SS or SD, then it indicates Madhyayus If the combination is DC, DS or DD, then it indicates Alpayus Where, C stands for Chara Rasi S stands for Sthira Rasi D stands for Dwiswabhava Rasi With rectified time, Madhyayus is indicated. The influence of Jalachara Rasi is not dominant, as the strength is gained only when it gains the 4th Bhava. Varahamihira in Brihat Jataka (1-17) says "Jalachara Rasi's namely Kataka, Meena and 2nd half of Makara become powerful in the fourth" As indicated by you, I am of the opinion that Dharmakarmadhipathi Yoga makes a man do "ethical" deeds. Jupiter in a trine from Sun indicates death as Sun is lord of the 8th and also the lord of the 22nd Drekanna. "Udyadreganathaathasya thathaa Randhraadhipasya cha, randradrekkanapasyaapi bhamshakone guray mruthihi" Also transit Sun in 6th, 7th and 12th from natal Venus indicates death. Extending further, with rectified time, Simha rasi becomes 8th house indicating death due to wild beasts, fever, boils or enemies. With Kumbha Lagna, 8th house is Kanya indicte death due to Women, veneral disease or by fall from height. The article that you have posted has brought in a new dimension. According to Phaladeepika, Ketu can result in unnatural deaths such as suicide. Looking forward for your replies. Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama ______ Chandrashekhar [boxdel] Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:18 AM Raman Suprajarama Cc: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re-visiting Veerappan's Chart Dear Raman, I respect your knowledge much. I am giving my comments below on the basis of how I would look at the chart to fix Lagna. So please do not misunderstand me. You are perhaps using Ayanamsha other than Lahiri, since I do not get Mars in 8th house in Navamsha. 1) With Jalachara Rasi getting aspect of Mars, do you think he would be wiry with aquiline features? 2) With even Kumbha Lagna his lord of 8th occupies a Dual Lagna, would this indicate Purnaayu? 3) With Lahiri, for Kumbha Lagna, Navamsha Lagna comes to Libra and not Scorpio. 4) I would think DK yoga does suit him. Of course our opinion on DK yoga might be different. I view it as occurring where the person becomes a trend setter in his line of work . You perhaps go with the view that it indicates a pious person only. 5) I would look at Ketu as being able to give results of Sun and Mars. Then it would mean Ashtamesh in 8th protecting life and Mars becoming milder by owning Kendra, though blood related diseases could be there in nether region.The way he was trapped through an informer (deceit), is more in line with Saturn or Rahu. If I remember right, there is a lot of speculation as to whether it was a staged encounter. There is even an investigation going on about whether he committed suicide or was killed by Police. The news appearing on India is below. Sunday October 24, 12:35 AM 'Local Police' investigate Veerappan's death By ChennaiOnline News Service Chennai, Oct 23: The Chief of the Karnataka Special Task Force (STF), Jothi Prakash Mirzi, today said the ''local police'' was investigating into the reports that forest brigand Veerappan had committed ''suicide'' and not killed in the encounter on October 18. He told reporters at the Chennai Aiport before leaving for Bangalore that ''only investigation will reveal whether it was a suicide or killing''. ''STF is not investigating into the matter. It is being done by the local police'', he said. He had earlier called on the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa at the secretariat, to thank her for her ''support and guidance'' in successfully eliminating the forest brigand in a mid-night encounter on Monday last. Mirzi described the meeting as a courtesy call to thank her for the support for STF operations. An official press release here said that Jayalalithaa thanked Mirzi for the successful operation, in cooperation with the Tamil Nadu STF personnel. (Our Correspondent) 6) Comment at the end of first sentence only. 7) That is also explained by DK yoga. Coco Channel and Sofia Lauren too had this yoga and their riches were legendary. 8) The dashas do match but so do they in Kumbha. What about Gochara position of Lagna Lord and Jupiter? Would these too not have to co-inside to give death? With Makara Lagna Saturn would be aspecting lagna and so would Jupiter, not a very appropriate for death to occur, I would say. Raman Suprajarama wrote: Dear Sri Chandrashekar, Namasthe! I feel his body structure matches Makara lagna, especially his face. There are other reasons for changing the birth time. They are as follows: 1) As native of Kumbha lagna, Lagnadhipathi would have put his lifespan to Purnayus 2) 8th lord Mercury, for kumbha lagna, is present in 10th and does not indicate death by encounter. 3) In Navamsa, 8th is aspected by Mars, but as Lagnadhipathi such a death again is not indicated 4) In rasi chart, with lagna as Kumbha, exchange of 9th and 10th lords, gives a lower variant of Dharmakarmadhipathi which does not fit him. 5) In case of Makara, Ketu in 8th a good indication of death by encounter. 6) In Navamsa also, Mars is present in 8th house, indicating death by weapons. Moreover, Sagittarius, a war-like sign is 8th in Navamsa. 7) The exchange of 10th and 11th houses can be explained by his roaring business! 8) At the time of death, he was running Sat-Sat-Sun (using rectified time). I would like to hear your observations. Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama ______ Chandrashekhar [boxdel] Friday, November 12, 2004 1:28 AM Raman Suprajarama Cc: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re-visiting Veerappan's Chart Dear Raman, Do you think Veerappan's body structure and mentality, match Makara Lagna? Chandrashekhar. Raman Suprajarama wrote: Dear friends and scholars, Namsthe! I was looking at the chart of Veerappan (details furnished by VA members). 18th January 1952 at 8.41 am at Kollegal in Dharmapuri Dt. Tamil Nadu I am of the opinion that the above birth details are incorrect. Can we have a discussion on the same? The birth data rectified by me is as follows : Veerappan (Rectified by RS) Date: January 18, 1952 Time: 7:35:17 am Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 07' 00", 12 N 09' 00" Kollegal, India Observing the characters of Veerappan, I think he is Makara Lagna and not Kumbha Lagna. Taking Makara also explains his death (by encounter). 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