Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 || Aum Vedvyasay Namah || Dear Prabodhji, Namaskar. You are much learned and respected for me and I think in Prasna also you can guide me if I'm wrong anywhere. My Points:- You have asked, If Dhana Yogas are not powerful in Natal but powerful in Prashna !! What is the ultimate result? Sir here I think we must agree that whether analysis is done on basis of Prasna or Natal (individually) it should lead us to correct Situation!! I think that's why Sages have written on Prasna !! Here few are not only mixing the charts but two branches of astrology, but if I'm not wrong every method has own importance and both can lead to correct answer very precisely. Shortcomings lies with Astrologer or honesty and belief of native!! If something goes forcefully, can be easily pointed out in Prashna, and we know native is not sincere!! Also I'm waiting for Ramadasji's answer so as we can say abt astrologer also :-) In Practice if native is sincere such situation will never arise. Here we must know the relation of Prasna and Karma Siddhanta. It's not depends on native's or astrologer' will (interestingly both's will) when Prasna will be asked? (Think sincerely) Infact I consider Prashna is stronger than natal for specific question!! Yes !! In natal you have first basic problem of BTR then which time should be taken for , first cry etc? Then asking for Past events then you will confirm or rectify it on basis of D-charts Then only you will be confident about natal!!(Provided Native is honest :-) ) In Prasna you can avoid all these and will be sure of your analysis!! Hence as you have imagine the situations of conflict of DhanaYoga in natal and Prashna , I 'll say check Birth time again natal may be wrong, theoretically. Prasna is more powerful over Natal and with my limited understandings it shows more clear picture. (Think for first question asked by Gjv Das and try it out with Natal !! ) So no need to mix both , I'll explain you one more situation, A person came to me and asked whether his Father should take Volunteery Retirement or not? He says his dad was born on so and so day around the dawn!! I asked which dawn say of 11th or 12th ? Confuse? His dad is not sure!! After facing such situations,conclusion drawn by me is, How much you should be confident about natal timings? Sometimes AM PM plays crucial role!! Such situation is always there!! Prasna give freedom to astrologer where as how you will be confident about Natal chart? If you are thinking for appearence and physic you can surely reach to correct asc in Rasi but again for rest of information to reach upto perfection , all depends on Native!! How many astrologers you know who can tell your complete chart just at looking Angalakshana!! In Prashna reverse is true!! :-) Anyway this is truely depends on my limited experience and practice of Astrology and I'm kid in that sense . Pls rectify where ever required. With Love and Pranam, Vinay Patwardhan "amolmandar" <amolmandar> Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:49 pm Re: RE;-Prasna: new one Dear Vinay NamasteYou wrote an interesting statement about prashna."When you are looking for Prasna don't mix natal with it. It showsyour dual nature and non trust in Prasna methodology So be aware....follow any one."Although I do not follow much of Prashna it would be interesting ifwe can predic successfully without consulting Natal chart only onthe basis of Prahna chart. I thought that in all forms of astrologyNatal has a special place. But it seems that we can predicsuccessfully with natal in Prashna. Does that mean even if Natalshows no powerful Dhana yoga but prashna chart for a perticular timeshows very powerful dhanayoga, the person will get dhana simplybecause he asked a prashna at a perticular time?Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.Prabodh VekhandeJai Jai ShankarHar Har Shankarvedic astrology, "Vinay Patwardhan"<patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:> || Aum Vedvyasay Namah ||>> Dear Gjv Das,>> Tahnks for your feedback and pls write about the results latter,it can lead me to some fundamentals and help me more.>> For another prasna I will suggest you to ask a number between 1-108 to your wife(which she should reply instantly) and then writequestion in her words and then send it. That will not allow excusesdue to software or other things!! Actually this should be followedunless and until native is not in present with Astrologer. Othersmay have different views but I prefer this as I've written inmarch/april and now after this issue of JHL I'll prefer to stick toit only.>> Basically Prasna is far more powerful and answering can also bepowerful and mainly this gives crystal clear answers also. You needto notice and handle it carefully. When you are looking for Prasnadon't mix natal with it. It shows your dual nature and non trust inPrasna methodology So be aware.... follow any one.>> And as Gurus are involved now, you can get better analysis andhopefully we can learn more. Thanks for posting Prasna s.>> One more thing pls don't add Ji after my name , this is request.>> With Love,>> Vinay Patwardhan>>> -->> "Gopijanavallabha Das" <gjvdas>> Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:26 pm> Prasna: new one>>>> = Hare Rama Krishna =>> Dear Vinay Ji,>> Thank you for your hints and suggestions. I am also thankfulto> Raghunatha Rao Ji for his analysis. I am sure thesesuggestions will> help the person on whose behalf I was writing. I do notpossess full> information on this subject. I can only say that thedirection was> South-East, the goods were not very expensive, although itis quite> possible that they were metal items or/and some itemsrelated to> medicine (I can't say exactly at this time); and anotherinteresting> thing is that one of the possible versions of how the moneyhas been> mismanaged is that the partner might have given it toanother person> who bought... narcotics (Ra?) to resell them and makeprofit. It is> quite possible that written communication will be requiredto resolve> the problem. Let us see how the things will develop...>> I do not want to exploit the skills of the Respected Membersof this> group and take your valuable time, but your response hasgiven me an> appetite... so I will ask about one more Prasna. You cancertainly> ignore it, if you don't find it interesting. My wifereceived a job> proposal (from a foreign company), and she is asking whethershe will> take up this job. Please see the data below.>> It is interesting that the running Dasa (in Prasna) is Ra-Ju-Me, and> she has Ra in 10H in her natal Rasi chart, Ju shows herprofession> (banking), Ju is the lord of 10H in her D-10 (exalted in 5Hbut> joined by Ra and debilitated Ma), Ju is in Vi in her Rasi(same in> Prasna), but in 12H. In Prasna Ju and Me are the mainsignificators,> and Ra in 5H shows the fact that the company's main activityis in> the stock market.>> Although Prasna looks favorable (I will not be unhappy if the> Respected Jyotishis will say the opposite:), the problem isthat we> did not expect any good development in her career in thenear future.> She is about to enter her Ke Maha-Dasa in December (Ke in 4H(Cp) in> Rasi) and, more importantly, she did not plan to take up anypaid job> at least in the next 5 months. Although I am a completenovice in> Astrology, I tried to use Tithi Pravesa chart (because Ifound it> very exact in showing the general picture of the past year'sevents,> at list in our case). So in my wife's TP chart for thecurrent year> in D-10 Ju is the lord of 1H(Pi) and 10H, and he isdebilitated in> 11H, Mo (lord of 5H) is also debilitated in AL (9H), at thesame time> Sa (L of 11 and 12H) is exalted and joining Ra in 8H, and Su(L of> 6H) is exalted in 2H. From the very beginning of the year(May 2004)> the bank she was working in suffered a great setback,situation was> very bad in the 1st Tithi Astott. Dasa of Ju, it became morepeaceful> but continued to deteriorate in the Dasa of Ra, in thebeginning of> Ve Dasa she quit the job and did some selfless service in atemple> (Ve in 4H??) until the Dasa was finished, and in the Dasa ofSu she> always stayed at home and unexpectedly received from thebank (that> by that time had almost collapsed) a bonus and an offer toresume her> job, but she refused. The current TA dasa is that of Mo,then Ma(in> 6H), Me (in 3H) and Sa. I do not see how this new offer fitsin here.> Although Mo is the Hora lord for this TP.>> Prasna data:> November 11, 2004> Time: 12:38:00> Time Zone: 3:00:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 38 E 08' 00", 55 N 35' 00"> NEAR Moscow, Russia>> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa>> Lagna 20 Sg 51' 32.73" PSha 3 Sg Li> Sun - AK 25 Li 25' 25.50" Visa 2 Li Ta> Moon - PK 9 Li 20' 50.34" Swat 1 Li Sg> ....>> Hare Krishna> Thank you for your kind attention,> Gjv Das>>> vedic astrology, "Vinay Patwardhan"> <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:> > || Aum VedVyasay Namah ||> >> > Dear Gjv Das,> >> > As you have asked for Sg Lagna and Vahana question. Hereeven> though Asc L and Karyesh is one planet we have diffpositions from> concerned Houses. e.g. if Jup (LL and Karyesh) in 9th H.Then it's> having favorable aspect on Lagna but bad aspect on 4thH!!(6th from> it) Don't you think this also matters!! Here lies the realbeauty of> Prasna. It will tell you person will get the car but car mayget some> problems and may to visit frequently for repairs!! Then as Ihave> told you Karka has to be consider here ven is Karka. Thenmostly Asha> saham will be important (I don't remeber exactly but thereis saham> for this I'm sure) Plus always remeber Punya saham is likethrone in> chart and must paid attention, find how are the aspectsw.r.t. Punya> saham.> >> > Now in discussion chart , you can see Lagna Lord is in 7thand> Partners(!) (yes 7th L is in Dual Rasi and it's dispositoris also in> dual rasi) are dominating you. and same time 2nd L Sat is in> Shadashtaka (6/8 placement) with 2nd House or money. (If youare> thinking for goods then also 4th Lord is in 6/8 with it Andmay I> take a chance, is goods are machinary items(mars + Sat) very> expensive (4th L is with Jup) and imports (Rahu) may showbulk drugs> also!! (Rahu) ?)> >> > Now this 6/8 placement is showing hardship and effortsshould be> made. Here co Lord Rahu is in 3rd H from 2nd and you may gofor> Agents/correspondance/notices. Now here we can go for sahamsnow.> Punya saham is in 5th H but it's Lord is in 8th and it's Ven(!!) Kali> saham is in Asc. Artha saham is in Vi with Jup and Mars(Lookit> closely Jup(dhankarka) is 12th and 3rd L and mars is 4th(goods) and> 11th Lord I think you can get clear picture) Here sign is Viand> with mars also hence I think South direction.> >> > Now here as Prasna LL is aspecting P Asc. and plus Guruaspects> this shows positive results for Prasna and as Prasna Lagnais in> Chara Rasi and P Lagnesh is in Chara Rasi but Sani isinvolved hence> some delay and disappointments will be there but usuallyquery> fruitifies earlier. Now Navamsa rises is of sun (fixed) andSun rules> over Aayan (6 month period) hence you will get resultswithin 6> months.To time the period there are many methods I'm notsure for> Tajika right now. But I think you may get money before Jan15.> >> > So my advice is, you have to do hardship and with help ofsome> agents, notices, correspondance (mostly Jup shows Banks!! 3rd> documents and 12th Foreign) you will get money. (Are you onthe way> with this? as Sat gets Retro going for 6th H generatingDhimanth> Yoga :-) )> >> > This is just an attempt and expecting learned ones andGurus will> rectify us.> >> > With Love and happy wishes for Dipawali,> >> > Vinay Patwardhan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 Dear Vinay Namste As I told you I dont use Prashna much but when you read Astrological Autobiography of Dr. B.V.Raman we noticed that he followed prashna where ever possible but every time warned his reader that alone use of prashna is dangarous. only in the cases where natal is doubtful as cited by your example we should study prashna. He had given several expirences where he was in fix becuse of lack of any clue from natal chart and he then resorted to prashana. But invariably he used to draw prashana after analysing natal. When no natal was available he used to solve alone on prashna. I dont see many charts but on an average 5/6 charts from all walks of life I get the opportunity to analyze excluding the internet charts. First check the lagna and the person then fix his past to confirm the chart. My father, and Shri. Chandrashekhar ji as well alwyas emphasised on me this principle. Sanjay ji as well told that astrolger must confirm the chart and then start applying all posible methods to analyse the chart. Most of the time its matter of fixing Lagna that confimrs the chart. 10-15 min. here and there can be handled but if the native does not know the possible range as well then I think we have to use only prashna as there is no choice. And to tell based on Prashna alone one must be very strong in his intuition power. Again there is a problem with prashna as well. Same person asking same prashna to many people at different times. Or Prashna asked on the user group like this may be read by group members at different time. Every body coming with different prashna chart. Who is that fortunate to get the correct one? Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar vedic astrology, "Vinay Patwardhan" <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote: > || Aum Vedvyasay Namah || > > Dear Prabodhji, > > Namaskar. > > You are much learned and respected for me and I think in Prasna also you can guide me if I'm wrong anywhere. > > My Points:- > > You have asked, If Dhana Yogas are not powerful in Natal but powerful in Prashna !! What is the ultimate result? Sir here I think we must agree that whether analysis is done on basis of Prasna or Natal (individually) it should lead us to correct Situation!! I think that's why Sages have written on Prasna !! Here few are not only mixing the charts but two branches of astrology, but if I'm not wrong every method has own importance and both can lead to correct answer very precisely. Shortcomings lies with Astrologer or honesty and belief of native!! If something goes forcefully, can be easily pointed out in Prashna, and we know native is not sincere!! Also I'm waiting for Ramadasji's answer so as we can say abt astrologer also :-) > > In Practice if native is sincere such situation will never arise. Here we must know the relation of Prasna and Karma Siddhanta. It's not depends on native's or astrologer' will (interestingly both's will) when Prasna will be asked? (Think sincerely) Infact I consider Prashna is stronger than natal for specific question!! Yes !! In natal you have first basic problem of BTR then which time should be taken for , first cry etc? Then asking for Past events then you will confirm or rectify it on basis of D-charts Then only you will be confident about natal!!(Provided Native is honest :-) ) In Prasna you can avoid all these and will be sure of your analysis!! > > Hence as you have imagine the situations of conflict of DhanaYoga in natal and Prashna , I 'll say check Birth time again natal may be wrong, theoretically. Prasna is more powerful over Natal and with my limited understandings it shows more clear picture. (Think for first question asked by Gjv Das and try it out with Natal !! ) > > So no need to mix both , I'll explain you one more situation, A person came to me and asked whether his Father should take Volunteery Retirement or not? He says his dad was born on so and so day around the dawn!! I asked which dawn say of 11th or 12th ? Confuse? His dad is not sure!! After facing such situations,conclusion drawn by me is, How much you should be confident about natal timings? Sometimes AM PM plays crucial role!! Such situation is always there!! Prasna give freedom to astrologer where as how you will be confident about Natal chart? If you are thinking for appearence and physic you can surely reach to correct asc in Rasi but again for rest of information to reach upto perfection , all depends on Native!! How many astrologers you know who can tell your complete chart just at looking Angalakshana!! In Prashna reverse is true!! :-) > > Anyway this is truely depends on my limited experience and practice of Astrology and I'm kid in that sense . Pls rectify where ever required. > > With Love and Pranam, > > Vinay Patwardhan > > > > - ------------- > > "amolmandar" <amolmandar> > Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:49 pm > Re: RE;-Prasna: new one > > > > Dear Vinay Namaste > > You wrote an interesting statement about prashna. > > "When you are looking for Prasna don't mix natal with it. It shows > your dual nature and non trust in Prasna methodology So be aware.... > follow any one." > > Although I do not follow much of Prashna it would be interesting if > we can predic successfully without consulting Natal chart only on > the basis of Prahna chart. I thought that in all forms of astrology > Natal has a special place. But it seems that we can predic > successfully with natal in Prashna. Does that mean even if Natal > shows no powerful Dhana yoga but prashna chart for a perticular time > shows very powerful dhanayoga, the person will get dhana simply > because he asked a prashna at a perticular time? > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > vedic astrology, "Vinay Patwardhan" > <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote: > > || Aum Vedvyasay Namah || > > > > Dear Gjv Das, > > > > Tahnks for your feedback and pls write about the results latter, > it can lead me to some fundamentals and help me more. > > > > For another prasna I will suggest you to ask a number between 1- > 108 to your wife(which she should reply instantly) and then write > question in her words and then send it. That will not allow excuses > due to software or other things!! Actually this should be followed > unless and until native is not in present with Astrologer. Others > may have different views but I prefer this as I've written in > march/april and now after this issue of JHL I'll prefer to stick to > it only. > > > > Basically Prasna is far more powerful and answering can also be > powerful and mainly this gives crystal clear answers also. You need > to notice and handle it carefully. When you are looking for Prasna > don't mix natal with it. It shows your dual nature and non trust in > Prasna methodology So be aware.... follow any one. > > > > And as Gurus are involved now, you can get better analysis and > hopefully we can learn more. Thanks for posting Prasna s. > > > > One more thing pls don't add Ji after my name , this is request. > > > > With Love, > > > > Vinay Patwardhan > > > > > > -------------------------- -------- > ------------- > > > > "Gopijanavallabha Das" <gjvdas> > > Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:26 pm > > Prasna: new one > > > > > > > > = Hare Rama Krishna = > > > > Dear Vinay Ji, > > > > Thank you for your hints and suggestions. I am also thankful > to > > Raghunatha Rao Ji for his analysis. I am sure these > suggestions will > > help the person on whose behalf I was writing. I do not > possess full > > information on this subject. I can only say that the > direction was > > South-East, the goods were not very expensive, although it > is quite > > possible that they were metal items or/and some items > related to > > medicine (I can't say exactly at this time); and another > interesting > > thing is that one of the possible versions of how the money > has been > > mismanaged is that the partner might have given it to > another person > > who bought... narcotics (Ra?) to resell them and make > profit. It is > > quite possible that written communication will be required > to resolve > > the problem. Let us see how the things will develop... > > > > I do not want to exploit the skills of the Respected Members > of this > > group and take your valuable time, but your response has > given me an > > appetite... so I will ask about one more Prasna. You can > certainly > > ignore it, if you don't find it interesting. My wife > received a job > > proposal (from a foreign company), and she is asking whether > she will > > take up this job. Please see the data below. > > > > It is interesting that the running Dasa (in Prasna) is Ra- Ju- > Me, and > > she has Ra in 10H in her natal Rasi chart, Ju shows her > profession > > (banking), Ju is the lord of 10H in her D-10 (exalted in 5H > but > > joined by Ra and debilitated Ma), Ju is in Vi in her Rasi > (same in > > Prasna), but in 12H. In Prasna Ju and Me are the main > significators, > > and Ra in 5H shows the fact that the company's main activity > is in > > the stock market. > > > > Although Prasna looks favorable (I will not be unhappy if the > > Respected Jyotishis will say the opposite:), the problem is > that we > > did not expect any good development in her career in the > near future. > > She is about to enter her Ke Maha-Dasa in December (Ke in 4H > (Cp) in > > Rasi) and, more importantly, she did not plan to take up any > paid job > > at least in the next 5 months. Although I am a complete > novice in > > Astrology, I tried to use Tithi Pravesa chart (because I > found it > > very exact in showing the general picture of the past year's > events, > > at list in our case). So in my wife's TP chart for the > current year > > in D-10 Ju is the lord of 1H(Pi) and 10H, and he is > debilitated in > > 11H, Mo (lord of 5H) is also debilitated in AL (9H), at the > same time > > Sa (L of 11 and 12H) is exalted and joining Ra in 8H, and Su > (L of > > 6H) is exalted in 2H. From the very beginning of the year > (May 2004) > > the bank she was working in suffered a great setback, > situation was > > very bad in the 1st Tithi Astott. Dasa of Ju, it became more > peaceful > > but continued to deteriorate in the Dasa of Ra, in the > beginning of > > Ve Dasa she quit the job and did some selfless service in a > temple > > (Ve in 4H??) until the Dasa was finished, and in the Dasa of > Su she > > always stayed at home and unexpectedly received from the > bank (that > > by that time had almost collapsed) a bonus and an offer to > resume her > > job, but she refused. The current TA dasa is that of Mo, > then Ma(in > > 6H), Me (in 3H) and Sa. I do not see how this new offer fits > in here. > > Although Mo is the Hora lord for this TP. > > > > Prasna data: > > November 11, 2004 > > Time: 12:38:00 > > Time Zone: 3:00:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 38 E 08' 00", 55 N 35' 00" > > NEAR Moscow, Russia > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > > > > Lagna 20 Sg 51' 32.73" PSha 3 Sg Li > > Sun - AK 25 Li 25' 25.50" Visa 2 Li Ta > > Moon - PK 9 Li 20' 50.34" Swat 1 Li Sg > > .... > > > > Hare Krishna > > Thank you for your kind attention, > > Gjv Das > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Vinay Patwardhan" > > <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote: > > > || Aum VedVyasay Namah || > > > > > > Dear Gjv Das, > > > > > > As you have asked for Sg Lagna and Vahana question. Here > even > > though Asc L and Karyesh is one planet we have diff > positions from > > concerned Houses. e.g. if Jup (LL and Karyesh) in 9th H. > Then it's > > having favorable aspect on Lagna but bad aspect on 4thH!! > (6th from > > it) Don't you think this also matters!! Here lies the real > beauty of > > Prasna. It will tell you person will get the car but car may > get some > > problems and may to visit frequently for repairs!! Then as I > have > > told you Karka has to be consider here ven is Karka. Then > mostly Asha > > saham will be important (I don't remeber exactly but there > is saham > > for this I'm sure) Plus always remeber Punya saham is like > throne in > > chart and must paid attention, find how are the aspects > w.r.t. Punya > > saham. > > > > > > Now in discussion chart , you can see Lagna Lord is in 7th > and > > Partners(!) (yes 7th L is in Dual Rasi and it's dispositor > is also in > > dual rasi) are dominating you. and same time 2nd L Sat is in > > Shadashtaka (6/8 placement) with 2nd House or money. (If you > are > > thinking for goods then also 4th Lord is in 6/8 with it And > may I > > take a chance, is goods are machinary items(mars + Sat) very > > expensive (4th L is with Jup) and imports (Rahu) may show > bulk drugs > > also!! (Rahu) ?) > > > > > > Now this 6/8 placement is showing hardship and efforts > should be > > made. Here co Lord Rahu is in 3rd H from 2nd and you may go > for > > Agents/correspondance/notices. Now here we can go for sahams > now. > > Punya saham is in 5th H but it's Lord is in 8th and it's Ven > (!!) Kali > > saham is in Asc. Artha saham is in Vi with Jup and Mars (Look > it > > closely Jup(dhankarka) is 12th and 3rd L and mars is 4th > (goods) and > > 11th Lord I think you can get clear picture) Here sign is Vi > and > > with mars also hence I think South direction. > > > > > > Now here as Prasna LL is aspecting P Asc. and plus Guru > aspects > > this shows positive results for Prasna and as Prasna Lagna > is in > > Chara Rasi and P Lagnesh is in Chara Rasi but Sani is > involved hence > > some delay and disappointments will be there but usually > query > > fruitifies earlier. Now Navamsa rises is of sun (fixed) and > Sun rules > > over Aayan (6 month period) hence you will get results > within 6 > > months.To time the period there are many methods I'm not > sure for > > Tajika right now. But I think you may get money before Jan > 15. > > > > > > So my advice is, you have to do hardship and with help of > some > > agents, notices, correspondance (mostly Jup shows Banks!! 3rd > > documents and 12th Foreign) you will get money. (Are you on > the way > > with this? as Sat gets Retro going for 6th H generating > Dhimanth > > Yoga :-) ) > > > > > > This is just an attempt and expecting learned ones and > Gurus will > > rectify us. > > > > > > With Love and happy wishes for Dipawali, > > > > > > Vinay Patwardhan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 || Aum VedVyasay Namah || Dear Prabodhji, Thanks for the explanation and strategires by well known ones. I'm not neglecting the Natal at all but Prashna (if properly asked and analysed) can also give same results as natal!! And I never say you should not see the natal ever. Our discussion starts from mixing Natal in Prashna!! For the question raised by you one has to follow some practical methods (mostly UttarKalamrita mentions) Then only you got more strings to apply otherwise Moon will remain same and Lagna will change only after around 2 Hrs!! So does it mean that everyone who ask Prashna will have similar readings? I've not read much and just a kid yet so thanks for the advice given, but I relied on Prashna most of the time (just for past few yrs not a long story ) I've to use Prashna mostly besides this forum Hence I promote Prashna for through insight to question and better success. But atleast till today I never mixup Natal and Prashna. If Natal is avilable it's good for certain questions but people keep on asking advice on very small issues also!! There I've used Prasna only and neglect the natal (I'm not as experienced to analyse natal upto sookshma as you or other intellectual giants here) You can say my intuitions plays very strong role as running Bhagyesh Dasa (placed in Bhagya in Rasi) and placed in 8th H in D10 and in D9 Pi N.Dasa with Ketu is running. (Check with Prasna and just write the houses you consider to check above statement is true or not , so as you can get your own ans Try with both normal and 1-108 method) Ans is TRUE Check) Secondly I never relied on the time directly but ask no. between 1 to 108 or give him directory or other stuff which can generate a random no. or even a small kid can give this. Then only after every 5 min or 15 min you can give consultation to many otherwise it's a great mess. I find this method works beatifully!! Now your second point people keep on asking questions to many ones. Yes! It's a Public tendency !! But here Astrologer should be able to get out of it ! For that only Sages have given some rules to find the intendend of Questionair, also if moon is not showing the query clearly we should not go ahead!!(For this to choose Asc is again imp!!) If we get all these things and questions fits in criteria of astrologer then only he should look into it. Plus there are two other criterias also !! Using this you can easily find out who is lucky fellow to get correct Prashna Chart!! Unfortunately here People are running after names and texts as it is !! If you remeber Dhiraji's Quiz, I've written as it is as Varahmihira written!! But failed!! Meaning one should not follow the terms as it is and don't follow anyone blindly. So I think who face problems? an Egoist/Egotist Follower!! Who is in hurry to solve it for satisfing his ego or ideal !! Otherwise you can get through!! If you your self is not confident then how you can give consultancy to others and that to based on Prashna?? So first of all one should have full confidence on the method he used then only he should proceed otherwise atleast avoid Mercury/Dual influence while judgement!! Ther are lot of things to discuss but time is short!! You can think for perfection just from (mere?!!) Prashna also !! That's what I've learned and experienced. Pls rectify where ever required. With Love, Vinay Patwardhan "amolmandar" <amolmandar> Sat Nov 13, 2004 11:21 am Subject: Re: RE:-Prasna: new one Dear Vinay NamsteAs I told you I dont use Prashna much but when you read AstrologicalAutobiography of Dr. B.V.Raman we noticed that he followed prashnawhere ever possible but every time warned his reader that alone useof prashna is dangarous. only in the cases where natal is doubtfulas cited by your example we should study prashna. He had givenseveral expirences where he was in fix becuse of lack of any cluefrom natal chart and he then resorted to prashana. But invariably heused to draw prashana after analysing natal. When no natal wasavailable he used to solve alone on prashna. I dont see many chartsbut on an average 5/6 charts from all walks of life I get theopportunity to analyze excluding the internet charts. First checkthe lagna and the person then fix his past to confirm the chart. Myfather, and Shri. Chandrashekhar ji as well alwyas emphasised on methis principle. Sanjay ji as well told that astrolger must confirmthe chart and then start applying all posible methods to analyse thechart. Most of the time its matter of fixing Lagna that confimrs thechart. 10-15 min. here and there can be handled but if the nativedoes not know the possible range as well then I think we have to useonly prashna as there is no choice. And to tell based on Prashnaalone one must be very strong in his intuition power.Again there is a problem with prashna as well. Same person askingsame prashna to many people at different times. Or Prashna asked onthe user group like this may be read by group members at differenttime. Every body coming with different prashna chart. Who is thatfortunate to get the correct one?Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.Prabodh VekhandeJai Jai ShankarHar Har Shankarvedic astrology, "Vinay Patwardhan"<patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:> || Aum Vedvyasay Namah ||>> Dear Prabodhji,>> Namaskar.>> You are much learned and respected for me and I think in Prasnaalso you can guide me if I'm wrong anywhere.>> My Points:->> You have asked, If Dhana Yogas are not powerful in Natal butpowerful in Prashna !! What is the ultimate result? Sir here I thinkwe must agree that whether analysis is done on basis of Prasna orNatal (individually) it should lead us to correct Situation!! Ithink that's why Sages have written on Prasna !! Here few are notonly mixing the charts but two branches of astrology, but if I'm notwrong every method has own importance and both can lead to correctanswer very precisely. Shortcomings lies with Astrologer or honestyand belief of native!! If something goes forcefully, can be easilypointed out in Prashna, and we know native is not sincere!! AlsoI'm waiting for Ramadasji's answer so as we can say abt astrologeralso :-)>> In Practice if native is sincere such situation will never arise.Here we must know the relation of Prasna and Karma Siddhanta. It'snot depends on native's or astrologer' will (interestingly both'swill) when Prasna will be asked? (Think sincerely) Infact I considerPrashna is stronger than natal for specific question!! Yes !! Innatal you have first basic problem of BTR then which time should betaken for , first cry etc? Then asking for Past events then you willconfirm or rectify it on basis of D-charts Then only you will beconfident about natal!!(Provided Native is honest :-) ) In Prasnayou can avoid all these and will be sure of your analysis!!>> Hence as you have imagine the situations of conflict of DhanaYogain natal and Prashna , I 'll say check Birth time again natal may bewrong, theoretically. Prasna is more powerful over Natal and with mylimited understandings it shows more clear picture. (Think for firstquestion asked by Gjv Das and try it out with Natal !! )>> So no need to mix both , I'll explain you one more situation, Aperson came to me and asked whether his Father should takeVolunteery Retirement or not? He says his dad was born on so and soday around the dawn!! I asked which dawn say of 11th or 12th ?Confuse? His dad is not sure!! After facing suchsituations,conclusion drawn by me is, How much you should beconfident about natal timings? Sometimes AM PM plays crucial role!!Such situation is always there!! Prasna give freedom to astrologerwhere as how you will be confident about Natal chart? If you arethinking for appearence and physic you can surely reach to correctasc in Rasi but again for rest of information to reach uptoperfection , all depends on Native!! How many astrologers you knowwho can tell your complete chart just at looking Angalakshana!! InPrashna reverse is true!! :-)>> Anyway this is truely depends on my limited experience andpractice of Astrology and I'm kid in that sense . Pls rectify whereever required.>> With Love and Pranam,>> Vinay Patwardhan>>>> -->> "amolmandar" <amolmandar>> Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:49 pm> Subject: Re: RE;-Prasna: new one>>>> Dear Vinay Namaste>> You wrote an interesting statement about prashna.>> "When you are looking for Prasna don't mix natal with it. Itshows> your dual nature and non trust in Prasna methodology So beaware....> follow any one.">> Although I do not follow much of Prashna it would beinteresting if> we can predic successfully without consulting Natal chartonly on> the basis of Prahna chart. I thought that in all forms ofastrology> Natal has a special place. But it seems that we can predic> successfully with natal in Prashna. Does that mean even ifNatal> shows no powerful Dhana yoga but prashna chart for aperticular time> shows very powerful dhanayoga, the person will get dhanasimply> because he asked a prashna at a perticular time?>> Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.>> Prabodh Vekhande> Jai Jai Shankar> Har Har Shankar>>> vedic astrology, "Vinay Patwardhan"> <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:> > || Aum Vedvyasay Namah ||> >> > Dear Gjv Das,> >> > Tahnks for your feedback and pls write about the resultslatter,> it can lead me to some fundamentals and help me more.> >> > For another prasna I will suggest you to ask a numberbetween 1-> 108 to your wife(which she should reply instantly) and thenwrite> question in her words and then send it. That will not allowexcuses> due to software or other things!! Actually this should befollowed> unless and until native is not in present with Astrologer.Others> may have different views but I prefer this as I've written in> march/april and now after this issue of JHL I'll prefer tostick to> it only.> >> > Basically Prasna is far more powerful and answering canalso be> powerful and mainly this gives crystal clear answers also.You need> to notice and handle it carefully. When you are looking forPrasna> don't mix natal with it. It shows your dual nature and nontrust in> Prasna methodology So be aware.... follow any one.> >> > And as Gurus are involved now, you can get better analysisand> hopefully we can learn more. Thanks for posting Prasna s.> >> > One more thing pls don't add Ji after my name , this isrequest.> >> > With Love,> >> > Vinay Patwardhan> >> >> > -> -------------> >> > "Gopijanavallabha Das" <gjvdas>> > Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:26 pm> > Prasna: new one> >> >> >> > = Hare Rama Krishna => >> > Dear Vinay Ji,> >> > Thank you for your hints and suggestions. I am alsothankful> to> > Raghunatha Rao Ji for his analysis. I am sure these> suggestions will> > help the person on whose behalf I was writing. I do not> possess full> > information on this subject. I can only say that the> direction was> > South-East, the goods were not very expensive, although it> is quite> > possible that they were metal items or/and some items> related to> > medicine (I can't say exactly at this time); and another> interesting> > thing is that one of the possible versions of how the money> has been> > mismanaged is that the partner might have given it to> another person> > who bought... narcotics (Ra?) to resell them and make> profit. It is> > quite possible that written communication will be required> to resolve> > the problem. Let us see how the things will develop...> >> > I do not want to exploit the skills of the RespectedMembers> of this> > group and take your valuable time, but your response has> given me an> > appetite... so I will ask about one more Prasna. You can> certainly> > ignore it, if you don't find it interesting. My wife> received a job> > proposal (from a foreign company), and she is askingwhether> she will> > take up this job. Please see the data below.> >> > It is interesting that the running Dasa (in Prasna) is Ra-Ju-> Me, and> > she has Ra in 10H in her natal Rasi chart, Ju shows her> profession> > (banking), Ju is the lord of 10H in her D-10 (exalted in 5H> but> > joined by Ra and debilitated Ma), Ju is in Vi in her Rasi> (same in> > Prasna), but in 12H. In Prasna Ju and Me are the main> significators,> > and Ra in 5H shows the fact that the company's mainactivity> is in> > the stock market.> >> > Although Prasna looks favorable (I will not be unhappy ifthe> > Respected Jyotishis will say the opposite:), the problem is> that we> > did not expect any good development in her career in the> near future.> > She is about to enter her Ke Maha-Dasa in December (Ke in4H> (Cp) in> > Rasi) and, more importantly, she did not plan to take upany> paid job> > at least in the next 5 months. Although I am a complete> novice in> > Astrology, I tried to use Tithi Pravesa chart (because I> found it> > very exact in showing the general picture of the pastyear's> events,> > at list in our case). So in my wife's TP chart for the> current year> > in D-10 Ju is the lord of 1H(Pi) and 10H, and he is> debilitated in> > 11H, Mo (lord of 5H) is also debilitated in AL (9H), at the> same time> > Sa (L of 11 and 12H) is exalted and joining Ra in 8H, andSu> (L of> > 6H) is exalted in 2H. From the very beginning of the year> (May 2004)> > the bank she was working in suffered a great setback,> situation was> > very bad in the 1st Tithi Astott. Dasa of Ju, it becamemore> peaceful> > but continued to deteriorate in the Dasa of Ra, in the> beginning of> > Ve Dasa she quit the job and did some selfless service in a> temple> > (Ve in 4H??) until the Dasa was finished, and in the Dasaof> Su she> > always stayed at home and unexpectedly received from the> bank (that> > by that time had almost collapsed) a bonus and an offer to> resume her> > job, but she refused. The current TA dasa is that of Mo,> then Ma(in> > 6H), Me (in 3H) and Sa. I do not see how this new offerfits> in here.> > Although Mo is the Hora lord for this TP.> >> > Prasna data:> > November 11, 2004> > Time: 12:38:00> > Time Zone: 3:00:00 (East of GMT)> > Place: 38 E 08' 00", 55 N 35' 00"> > NEAR Moscow, Russia> >> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> >> > Lagna 20 Sg 51' 32.73" PSha 3 Sg Li> > Sun - AK 25 Li 25' 25.50" Visa 2 Li Ta> > Moon - PK 9 Li 20' 50.34" Swat 1 Li Sg> > .....> >> > Hare Krishna> > Thank you for your kind attention,> > Gjv Das> >> >> > vedic astrology, "Vinay Patwardhan"> > <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:> > > || Aum VedVyasay Namah ||> > >> > > Dear Gjv Das,> > >> > > As you have asked for Sg Lagna and Vahana question. Here> even> > though Asc L and Karyesh is one planet we have diff> positions from> > concerned Houses. e.g. if Jup (LL and Karyesh) in 9th H.> Then it's> > having favorable aspect on Lagna but bad aspect on 4thH!!> (6th from> > it) Don't you think this also matters!! Here lies the real> beauty of> > Prasna. It will tell you person will get the car but carmay> get some> > problems and may to visit frequently for repairs!! Then asI> have> > told you Karka has to be consider here ven is Karka. Then> mostly Asha> > saham will be important (I don't remeber exactly but there> is saham> > for this I'm sure) Plus always remeber Punya saham is like> throne in> > chart and must paid attention, find how are the aspects> w.r.t. Punya> > saham.> > >> > > Now in discussion chart , you can see Lagna Lord is in7th> and> > Partners(!) (yes 7th L is in Dual Rasi and it's dispositor> is also in> > dual rasi) are dominating you. and same time 2nd L Sat isin> > Shadashtaka (6/8 placement) with 2nd House or money. (Ifyou> are> > thinking for goods then also 4th Lord is in 6/8 with it And> may I> > take a chance, is goods are machinary items(mars + Sat)very> > expensive (4th L is with Jup) and imports (Rahu) may show> bulk drugs> > also!! (Rahu) ?)> > >> > > Now this 6/8 placement is showing hardship and efforts> should be> > made. Here co Lord Rahu is in 3rd H from 2nd and you may go> for> > Agents/correspondance/notices. Now here we can go forsahams> now.> > Punya saham is in 5th H but it's Lord is in 8th and it'sVen> (!!) Kali> > saham is in Asc. Artha saham is in Vi with Jup and Mars(Look> it> > closely Jup(dhankarka) is 12th and 3rd L and mars is 4th> (goods) and> > 11th Lord I think you can get clear picture) Here sign isVi> and> > with mars also hence I think South direction.> > >> > > Now here as Prasna LL is aspecting P Asc. and plus Guru> aspects> > this shows positive results for Prasna and as Prasna Lagna> is in> > Chara Rasi and P Lagnesh is in Chara Rasi but Sani is> involved hence> > some delay and disappointments will be there but usually> query> > fruitifies earlier. Now Navamsa rises is of sun (fixed) and> Sun rules> > over Aayan (6 month period) hence you will get results> within 6> > months.To time the period there are many methods I'm not> sure for> > Tajika right now. But I think you may get money before Jan> 15.> > >> > > So my advice is, you have to do hardship and with help of> some> > agents, notices, correspondance (mostly Jup shows Banks!!3rd> > documents and 12th Foreign) you will get money. (Are you on> the way> > with this? as Sat gets Retro going for 6th H generating> Dhimanth> > Yoga :-) )> > >> > > This is just an attempt and expecting learned ones and> Gurus will> > rectify us.> > >> > > With Love and happy wishes for Dipawali,> > >> > > Vinay Patwardhan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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