RE:-Prasna: the meaning of Lagnesh=Karyesh?

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=Hare Rama Krsna=

 

Dear Vinay Ji,

 

Thank you for your detailed analysis. I was surprised to see so many

points that you have noticed. You can see the actual Prasna chart

below, but let me repeat the "abstract" part of my question. If both

Lagnesh and Karyesh are the same planet, and Lg and Karya Bhava have

no co-rulers, - is there any specific meaning in this combination?

For example (it is an abstract example), if Lg is Sg, 4H is Pi, and

the question is about one's car that was stolen. Will the fact that

Ju is the lord of both Bhavas favor the successful outcome

(recovering the car), or it depends on which Bhava Ju is in etc.?

What is the principle? As far as I can understand, if there were an

Ithasala yoga between Lg lord and 4H lord, we could expect that the

car would be recovered (if the other factors are favorable). If there

were Esarpha yoga between them, than we would hardly have a chance.

And if they are the same planet - what can we expect?

 

Thank you for help.

Gjv Das

 

PS The question that I mentioned in the previous letter was actually

formulated little differently. I just wanted to give an example, and

I "simplified" the question. But I will be happy if you say something

about the actual query:

 

October 20, 2004

Time: 16:30:00

Time Zone: 4:00:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 37 E 36' 00", 55 N 45' 00"

Moscow

 

The question was: "I have given money to my business partner to make

some purchases. Later this person gave the money to another person,

who I have actually known for a long time. But something has gone

wrong, and I have received neither money nor goods. What can I

expect?"

 

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

 

Lagna 24 Cp 09' 34.24" Dhan 1 Cp Le

Sun - GK 3 Li 32' 32.14" Chit 4 Li Sc

Moon - AK 28 Sg 19' 50.24" USha 1 Sg Sg

Mars - BK 21 Vi 46' 49.07" Hast 4 Vi Cn

Mercury - PiK 13 Li 23' 09.76" Swat 3 Li Aq

Jupiter - PK 11 Vi 29' 58.29" Hast 1 Vi Ar

Venus - AmK 25 Le 52' 18.45" PPha 4 Le Sc

Saturn - DK 3 Cn 05' 43.89" Puna 4 Cn Cn

Rahu - MK 8 Ar 14' 17.60" Aswi 3 Ar Ge

 

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

 

Sun Sun 2004-01-21 Moon 2004-05-09 Mars 2004-11-08

 

+--------------+

| |Ra | |HL GL |

| | | | |

| | | | |

| | | | |

| | | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

| | |Sa |

| | | |

| | | |

| | | |

| | | |

|-----------| Rasi |-----------|

|As | |Ve |

| | | |

| | | |

| | | |

| | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

|Mo |Md Gk |Su Me |Ma Ju |

| | |Ke AL | |

| | | | |

| | | | |

| | | | |

+--------------+

 

The question was asked on Oct.20. About two weeks later the situation

became more or less clear (probably this clarification was indicated

by Mo (7th lord) in less than 2 deg. before entering Cp to form Yoga

with Sa (1st lord)): the partners appeared without money or goods.

They both refused to take responsibility. The second one (old friend)

even refused to acknowledge his involvement in this affair. Can we

see that from the chart? Ra (2nd co-lord) seemed to have Ithasala

Yoga with Sa (Lg lord), but actually they will never form the exact

aspect (only after entering the previous Rasis they will do it).

Accentuated 9th and 12th (and 7th) Bhavas probably show the fact that

the affair started in a foreign country (guess the direction) and the

goods were supposed to be purchased in that country. Debilitated lord

of 11H (Sun) probably shows the old friend who turned out a thief but

feigned innocence? Actually Su is the planet that forms Ithasala with

Ra and Esarpha with Sa! Lots of mental anxiety was certainly there.

What other aspects on Ra mean - I can't figure out. And the question

remains: why Ra should show the money? Sa is also the lord of 2H. And

he is simultaneously the Lg lord. Does it signify anything?

 

 

vedic astrology, "Vinay Patwardhan"

<patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:

> || Aum VedVyasay Namah||

>

> Dear Gjv Das,

>

> These are some thoughts from my side :-

>

> 1) Lagnesh is a planet which shows "you" in Prasna Chart. This

shows force or aim of questioner along with Lagna Bhava. Hence it's

relation with Karyesh / Karya Bhava is important. Now here you said

you have Cp Asc in Prasna. And question is getting money back. Her

Sat is co'Lord of Aq and Aq is 2nd Bhava. This shows your question

may related to money !! Plus Rahu is 2nd H colord, indicating fear !!

>

> Now without time of your Prasna Chart. We have 2-3 fixed

placements. i.e. Sat in Cn(7th H) now a days. Rahu in Ar in (4th H)

and Jup is in Vi (9th H). From here we can say Lagna bhava is

aspected by his own L Sat (But abt to Vakri) and Rahu in 4th shows

loss of mental peace (being co L of 2nd indicates due to money) Also

Guru is aspecting Lagna (but Cp is neech Rasi for Jup) Also Lagnesh

in 7th H shows your friend is dominating to you.

>

> For your understanding , Lagna denotes you, 7th you are dealing

with (here friend here Sat and abt to Vakri showing he turns up from

commitments) , 10th Money (here Ket and Mars with Sun!! ) and 4th is

fulfilment and getting mental peace. (Here Rahu and Shani Vat Rahu!!)

(inclue all bhavesh every where)

>

> Chara Rasi's in Kendra and so many points are there but without

looking into actual chart one can't predict fully.

> Also Karka , correct bhava, saham etc should be consider. So many

things!!

>

> These are my two cents ..........

> Hope others will correct us if we are on wrong path.

>

> with Love,

>

> Vinay Patwardhan

[Guest guest]

|| Aum VedVyasay Namah ||

 

Dear Gjv Das,

 

As you have asked for Sg Lagna and Vahana question. Here even though Asc L and

Karyesh is one planet we have diff positions from concerned Houses. e.g. if Jup

(LL and Karyesh) in 9th H. Then it's having favorable aspect on Lagna but bad

aspect on 4thH!! (6th from it) Don't you think this also matters!! Here lies

the real beauty of Prasna. It will tell you person will get the car but car may

get some problems and may to visit frequently for repairs!! Then as I have told

you Karka has to be consider here ven is Karka. Then mostly Asha saham will be

important (I don't remeber exactly but there is saham for this I'm sure) Plus

always remeber Punya saham is like throne in chart and must paid attention,

find how are the aspects w.r.t. Punya saham.

 

Now in discussion chart , you can see Lagna Lord is in 7th and Partners(!) (yes

7th L is in Dual Rasi and it's dispositor is also in dual rasi) are dominating

you. and same time 2nd L Sat is in Shadashtaka (6/8 placement) with 2nd House

or money. (If you are thinking for goods then also 4th Lord is in 6/8 with it

And may I take a chance, is goods are machinary items(mars + Sat) very

expensive (4th L is with Jup) and imports (Rahu) may show bulk drugs also!!

(Rahu) ?)

 

Now this 6/8 placement is showing hardship and efforts should be made. Here co

Lord Rahu is in 3rd H from 2nd and you may go for

Agents/correspondance/notices. Now here we can go for sahams now. Punya saham

is in 5th H but it's Lord is in 8th and it's Ven(!!) Kali saham is in Asc.

Artha saham is in Vi with Jup and Mars(Look it closely Jup(dhankarka) is 12th

and 3rd L and mars is 4th (goods) and 11th Lord I think you can get clear

picture) Here sign is Vi and with mars also hence I think South direction.

 

Now here as Prasna LL is aspecting P Asc. and plus Guru aspects this shows

positive results for Prasna and as Prasna Lagna is in Chara Rasi and P Lagnesh

is in Chara Rasi but Sani is involved hence some delay and disappointments will

be there but usually query fruitifies earlier. Now Navamsa rises is of sun

(fixed) and Sun rules over Aayan (6 month period) hence you will get results

within 6 months.To time the period there are many methods I'm not sure for

Tajika right now. But I think you may get money before Jan 15.

 

So my advice is, you have to do hardship and with help of some agents, notices,

correspondance (mostly Jup shows Banks!! 3rd documents and 12th Foreign) you

will get money. (Are you on the way with this? as Sat gets Retro going for 6th

H generating Dhimanth Yoga :-) )

 

This is just an attempt and expecting learned ones and Gurus will rectify us.

 

With Love and happy wishes for Dipawali,

 

Vinay Patwardhan

 

 

 

 

-

"Gopijanavallabha Das" <gjvdas (AT) yandex (DOT) ru>

"Vinay Patwardhan" <patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:24 PM

Re: RE:-Prasna: the meaning of Lagnesh=Karyesh?

> > =Hare Rama Krsna=> > Dear Vinay Ji,> > Thank you for your detailed analysis.

I was surprised to see so many > points that you have noticed. You can see the

actual Prasna chart > below, but let me repeat the "abstract" part of my

question. If both > Lagnesh and Karyesh are the same planet, and Lg and Karya

Bhava have > no co-rulers, - is there any specific meaning in this combination?

> For example (it is an abstract example), if Lg is Sg, 4H is Pi, and > the

question is about one's car that was stolen. Will the fact that > Ju is the

lord of both Bhavas favor the successful outcome > (recovering the car), or it

depends on which Bhava Ju is in etc.? > What is the principle? As far as I can

understand, if there were an > Ithasala yoga between Lg lord and 4H lord, we

could expect that the > car would be recovered (if the other factors are

favorable). If there > were Esarpha yoga between them, than we would hardly

have a chance. > And if they are the same planet - what can we expect?> > Thank

you for help.> Gjv Das> > PS The question that I mentioned in the previous

letter was actually > formulated little differently. I just wanted to give an

example, and > I "simplified" the question. But I will be happy if you say

something > about the actual query:> > October 20, 2004> Time:

16:30:00> Time Zone: 4:00:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 37 E 36'

00", 55 N 45' 00"> Moscow> > The question was: "I have given money to my

business partner to make > some purchases. Later this person gave the money to

another person, > who I have actually known for a long time. But something has

gone > wrong, and I have received neither money nor goods. What can I >

expect?"> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> >

Lagna 24 Cp 09' 34.24" Dhan 1 Cp Le> Sun - GK 3 Li

32' 32.14" Chit 4 Li Sc> Moon - AK 28 Sg 19' 50.24" USha 1

Sg Sg> Mars - BK 21 Vi 46' 49.07" Hast 4 Vi Cn> Mercury - PiK

13 Li 23' 09.76" Swat 3 Li Aq> Jupiter - PK 11 Vi 29' 58.29" Hast

1 Vi Ar> Venus - AmK 25 Le 52' 18.45" PPha 4 Le Sc> Saturn

- DK 3 Cn 05' 43.89" Puna 4 Cn Cn> Rahu - MK 8 Ar 14'

17.60" Aswi 3 Ar Ge> > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):> > Sun

Sun 2004-01-21 Moon 2004-05-09 Mars 2004-11-08 > >

+--------------+> | |Ra |

|HL GL |> | | | | |> |

| | | |> | | | |

|> | | | | |>

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> | |

|Sa |> | | | |> |

| | |> | | |

|> | | | |> |-----------|

Rasi |-----------|> |As | |Ve

|> | | | |> | |

| |> | | | |> |

| | |>

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |Mo |Md Gk |Su

Me |Ma Ju |> | | |Ke AL | |> |

| | | |> | | | |

|> | | | | |>

+--------------+> > The question was asked on

Oct.20. About two weeks later the situation > became more or less clear

(probably this clarification was indicated > by Mo (7th lord) in less than 2

deg. before entering Cp to form Yoga > with Sa (1st lord)): the partners

appeared without money or goods. > They both refused to take responsibility.

The second one (old friend) > even refused to acknowledge his involvement in

this affair. Can we > see that from the chart? Ra (2nd co-lord) seemed to have

Ithasala > Yoga with Sa (Lg lord), but actually they will never form the exact

> aspect (only after entering the previous Rasis they will do it). >

Accentuated 9th and 12th (and 7th) Bhavas probably show the fact that > the

affair started in a foreign country (guess the direction) and the > goods were

supposed to be purchased in that country. Debilitated lord > of 11H (Sun)

probably shows the old friend who turned out a thief but > feigned innocence?

Actually Su is the planet that forms Ithasala with > Ra and Esarpha with Sa!

Lots of mental anxiety was certainly there. > What other aspects on Ra mean - I

can't figure out. And the question > remains: why Ra should show the money? Sa

is also the lord of 2H. And > he is simultaneously the Lg lord. Does it mean

something?> > > vedic astrology, "Vinay Patwardhan" >

<patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:> > || Aum VedVyasay Namah||> > > > Dear Gjv Das,>

> > > These are some thoughts from my side :-> > > > 1) Lagnesh is a planet

which shows "you" in Prasna Chart. This > shows force or aim of questioner

along with Lagna Bhava. Hence it's > relation with Karyesh / Karya Bhava is

important. Now here you said > you have Cp Asc in Prasna. And question is

getting money back. Her > Sat is co'Lord of Aq and Aq is 2nd Bhava. This shows

your question > may related to money !! Plus Rahu is 2nd H colord, indicating

fear !!> > > > Now without time of your Prasna Chart. We have 2-3 fixed >

placements. i.e. Sat in Cn(7th H) now a days. Rahu in Ar in (4th H) > and Jup

is in Vi (9th H). From here we can say Lagna bhava is > aspected by his own L

Sat (But abt to Vakri) and Rahu in 4th shows > loss of mental peace (being co L

of 2nd indicates due to money) Also > Guru is aspecting Lagna (but Cp is neech

Rasi for Jup) Also Lagnesh > in 7th H shows your friend is dominating to you.>

> > > For your understanding , Lagna denotes you, 7th you are dealing > with

(here friend here Sat and abt to Vakri showing he turns up from > commitments)

, 10th Money (here Ket and Mars with Sun!! ) and 4th is > fulfilment and

getting mental peace. (Here Rahu and Shani Vat Rahu!!) > (inclue all bhavesh

every where) > > > > Chara Rasi's in Kendra and so many points are there but

without > looking into actual chart one can't predict fully.> > Also Karka ,

correct bhava, saham etc should be consider. So many > things!!> > > > These

are my two cents ..........> > Hope others will correct us if we are on wrong

path.> > > > with Love,> > > > Vinay Patwardhan> > > > >