RE: Lat & Long in ancient times: To Sarajit

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Dear Sunil,

In ancient times the only ephemeris used were the Panchangas. They had

Lanka Longitude (It runs through Ujjain, Avanti etc.) as the reference

point. So the correction for Local time was based on that parameter.

Now a days ephemeris use Greenwich as the reference point and

calculations are made accordingly. There would be no difference in the

final chart drawn, barring that caused by use of different Ayanamsha.

Chandrashekhar.

Sunil John wrote:

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Jagannath ||

Dear Sarajit,

Thanks for ur kind

email. My confusion was that i had just received the information that

in olden times the zero longitude was reckoned from UJJAIN (for

westerners it is in india) and now it is Greenwich.

So i was thinking

if their is something missing that i dont know of (which Anantji has

illuminated me now) otherwise i was thinking that the co-ordinates of

Madras etc in olden times and now would be different thereby giving us

different birth charts if we took a chart of native born in madras now

and compared it to same in olden times.

 

Anantji pointed out

nicely that it is taken care of now.

 

Thanks for ur mail

best

SJ

Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org>

wrote:

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Jagannath ||

Dear Sunil,

 

The

longitude and latitude is just dividing the surface of earth into

coordinates so that a place can be reckoned. Longitude is required for

finding the exact time at that location or rather the LMT on the basis

of which all calculations are performed and hence even though it is

arbitrary, it is useful. The latitude controls the season as the Sun

goes uttarayana and daskshinayana and is more astronomically important

than the longitude.

 

Thus it does

not matter where the longitudes were, the latitudes would have been the

same.

 

Btw no

questions are foolish.

 

Best Wishes

 

Sri Jagannath

Center

 

 

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Dear Sunil,

 

I think your question is about the latitudes and

longitudes of the places. In ancient times the

latitude/longitudes were known in terms of Palabha.

The meaning of Pala is Shanku and Bha means shadow.

You must have heard about sundials.

 

You can convert present latitudes to Palabhas. the

Formula for it is as follows :

 

Palabha = 12 x Tan(latitude)

 

Say the latitude of Delhi is 28N38

 

then Palabha = 12 x Tan (28deg38min)

= 12 x o.545972655

= 6Angula 33 Vynagula 6.02Prativyangula

 

Then the calculation of Charkhand palas is calculated

and from it the swodaya sadhan is done. This system

is now outdated as we are using the siderial time for

all lagna calculations.

 

I think this will help you.

 

Yours

 

dewavrat buit

--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote:

 

> Dear Sunil,

> In ancient times the only ephemeris used were the

> Panchangas. They had

> Lanka Longitude (It runs through Ujjain, Avanti

> etc.) as the reference

> point. So the correction for Local time was based on

> that parameter. Now

> a days ephemeris use Greenwich as the reference

> point and calculations

> are made accordingly. There would be no difference

> in the final chart

> drawn, barring that caused by use of different

> Ayanamsha.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Sunil John wrote:

>

> > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > Dear Sarajit,

> > Thanks for ur kind email. My confusion was that i

> had just received

> > the information that in olden times the zero

> longitude was reckoned

> > from UJJAIN (for westerners it is in india) and

> now it is Greenwich.

> > So i was thinking if their is something missing

> that i dont know of

> > (which Anantji has illuminated me now) otherwise i

> was thinking that

> > the co-ordinates of Madras etc in olden times and

> now would be

> > different thereby giving us different birth charts

> if we took a chart

> > of native born in madras now and compared it to

> same in olden times.

> >

> > Anantji pointed out nicely that it is taken care

> of now.

> >

> > Thanks for ur mail

> > best

> > SJ

> >

> >

> > */Sarajit Poddar <sarajit/*

> wrote:

> >

> > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> >

> >

> > The longitude and latitude is just dividing

> the surface of earth

> > into coordinates so that a place can be

> reckoned. Longitude is

> > required for finding the exact time at that

> location or rather the

> > LMT on the basis of which all calculations are

> performed and hence

> > even though it is arbitrary, it is useful. The

> latitude controls

> > the season as the Sun goes uttarayana and

> daskshinayana and is

> > more astronomically important than the

> longitude.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thus it does not matter where the longitudes

> were, the latitudes

> > would have been the same.

> >

> >

> >

> > Btw no questions are foolish.

> >

> >

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> >

> >

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Just to add up to what Devabratji says, I will show you the calculation of the

Lagna in the ancient ways:

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Palbha:

when the saayana Sun is in the sign of Aries etc (i.e., during the time of

equinox, when the day and the night is equal), the 12 Angul (fingers) shadow of

Shankhu (a small stick used for this purpose) at midday is called Palbha. That

Palbha is placed at three places and is multiplied respectively by 10, 8 and

10/3, and then three charkhanda are obtained.

 

The

palbha for different latitudes are as follows

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Earlier

days pandits used such tables to facilitate the calculation of the Chanrkhanda

and the Lagna.

 

The

Palbha of any intermediate latitude can be found by interpolation. For

simplicity the formula is given below.

 

Palbha

(for Lat12) between Lat1 and Lat2

=

Palbha

(for Lat2)- Palbha (for Lat1)

------------------

* (Lat12 - Lat1)

Lat2

-Lat1

 

font-weight:bold">Lankodaya: The rising periods of the signs

does not change on the equator because the charkhanda there is zero. The rising

period of the signs Aries etc., in order is as follows: 279, 299, 322,

322, 299, 279, 279, 299, 322, 322, 299 and 279. These rising periods are in

pala. (1 Pala = 60 Vipala = 24 seconds).

 

 

font-weight:bold">Swodaya: Due to the spherical surface of

the earth, the value of the rising periods of the signs change. The rising

period change according to the charkhanda of the latitude of that place. The

Swodaya of a place can be found in following way

 

 

 

 

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Re: [vedic astrology] Lat

& Long in ancient times: To Sarajit

12.0pt">

10.0pt">Dear Sunil,

I think your question is about the latitudes and

longitudes of the places. In ancient times

the

latitude/longitudes were known in terms of

Palabha.

The meaning of Pala is Shanku and Bha means

shadow.

You must have heard about sundials.

You can convert present latitudes to

Palabhas. the

Formula for it is as follows :

Palabha = 12 x Tan(latitude)

Say the latitude of Delhi is 28N38

then Palabha = 12 x Tan (28deg38min)

= 12 x o.545972655

= 6Angula 33 Vynagula 6.02Prativyangula

Then the calculation of Charkhand palas is

calculated

and from it the swodaya sadhan is done. This

system

is now outdated as we are using the siderial time

for

all lagna calculations.

I think this will help you.

Yours

dewavrat buit

--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

> Dear Sunil,

> In ancient times the only ephemeris used were

the

> Panchangas. They had

> Lanka Longitude (It runs through Ujjain, Avanti

> etc.) as the reference

> point. So the correction for Local time was

based on

> that parameter. Now

> a days ephemeris use Greenwich as the reference

> point and calculations

> are made accordingly. There would be no

difference

> in the final chart

> drawn, barring that caused by use of

different

> Ayanamsha.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Sunil John wrote:

>

> > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > Dear Sarajit,

> > Thanks for ur kind email. My confusion was that i

> had just received

> > the information that in olden times the

zero

> longitude was reckoned

> > from UJJAIN

(for westerners it is in india)

and

> now it is Greenwich.

> > So i was thinking if their is something

missing

> that i dont know of

> > (which Anantji has illuminated me now)

otherwise i

> was thinking that

> > the co-ordinates of Madras etc in olden

times and

> now would be

> > different thereby giving us different

birth charts

> if we took a chart

> > of native born in madras now and

compared it to

> same in olden times.

> >

> > Anantji pointed out nicely that it is

taken care

> of now.

> >

> > Thanks for ur mail

> > best

> > SJ

> >

> >

> > */Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org>/*

> wrote:

> >

> > || Jaya

Jagannath ||

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> >

> >

> > The longitude

and latitude is just dividing

> the surface of earth

> > into coordinates

so that a place can be

> reckoned. Longitude is

> > required for

finding the exact time at that

> location or rather the

> > LMT on the basis

of which all calculations are

> performed and hence

> > even though it

is arbitrary, it is useful. The

> latitude controls

> > the season as

the Sun goes uttarayana and

> daskshinayana and is

> > more

astronomically important than the

> longitude.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thus it does not

matter where the longitudes

> were, the latitudes

> > would have been

the same.

> >

> >

> >

> > Btw no questions

are foolish.

> >

> >

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> >

> >

> > *Sri Jagannath

Center

> <http://www..org/>*

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > *Sarajit Poddar*

> >

> >

> >

> > Unit #02-01

> > 135 Lorong L

> > Telok Kurau

> > Singapore

425571

> >

> > sarajit (AT) (DOT) org

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Sunil,

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Just to add to Dewavratji, here is the

calculation of the Lagna in the ancient method. This can give you some insights

on the mathematical genius of ancient India.

 

Palbha: when the

saayana Sun is in the sign of Aries etc (i.e., during the time of equinox, when

the day and the night is equal), the 12 Angul (fingers) shadow of Shankhu (a

small stick used for this purpose) at midday is called Palbha. That Palbha is

placed at three places and is multiplied respectively by 10, 8 and 10/3, and

then three charkhanda are obtained.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">As Dewavratji mentions, the Palbha can be

found from multiplying Tangent of the Latitude with 12. The following table were

used for convenience in calculation, which were found on the basis of measuring

up the shadow of the Shankhu.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The Palbha for different latitudes are as

follows

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Latitude

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Palbha

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Latitude

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Palbha

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The Palbha of any intermediate latitude

can be found by interpolation. For simplicity the formula is given below.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Palbha (for Lat12) between Lat1 and Lat2

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(for Lat2)- Palbha (for Lat1)

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* (Lat12 - Lat1)

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Lat2

-Lat1

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Lankodaya: The rising

periods of the signs does not change on the equator because the charkhanda

there is zero. The rising period of the signs Aries etc., in order is as

follows: 279, 299, 322, 322, 299, 279, 279, 299, 322, 322, 299 and 279. These

rising periods are in pala. (1 Pala = 60 Vipala = 24 seconds).

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Swodaya: Due to the

spherical surface of the earth, the values of the rising periods of the signs

change. The rising period change according to the charkhanda of the latitude of

that place. The Swodaya of a place can be found in following way

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Zodiac

signs

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Lankodaya

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Add/

Subtract

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Which Charkhanda?

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color:navy;font-weight:bold">Swoyodaya =

color:navy;font-weight:bold">Lankodaya +/-charkhanda * Palbha

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Mesha

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279

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Vrisha

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299

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Mithuna

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322

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Karkata

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322

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Simha

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299

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Kanya

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279

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Vrischik

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Dhanu

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Makar

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Kumbha

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Meen

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Calculation

of Lagna:

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steps are to be followed

Step 1: The Nirayana

Sun is converted to Sayana Sun by subtracting the ayanamsa.

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Step 2: The period to

be covered by the Sun in that sign is found.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">This is done in following way.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">(30 - Sun’s Sayana longitude)/ 30 *

Swodaya period of the Sun sign

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Step 3: This amount

is subtracted from the Istaghati, then subsequent swodaya periods are

subtracted from the Istaghati until the reminder so obtained could not be

reduced further. The reminder is the amount traversed by the Lagna in the sign

which the reminder belongs to. The reminder is then converted to Longitude as

follows:

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Reminder/ Swodaya * 30 = Longitude of

Sayana Lagna in degrees and decimals

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Step 4: Nirayana

Lagna = Sayana Lagna – Ayanamsa

 

 

_______________________

Illustration:

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Lets find the Ascendant of a place having

latitude of 23022’ North at 14:26 IST.

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The

Palbha

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">First of all we have to find the Palbha at

23N22. This is done by interpolating the palbha at 23N00 (5:5:38) and 24N00

(5:20:31)

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Palbha at 23N22 = 5:5:38 +(5:20:31 -

5:5:38) * (23:22 - 23:00) = 5:11:6

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(24:00- 23:00)

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Alternatively as mentioned by Dewavratji, The

simpler method is to find the Tan of the Latitude and multiplying it by 12

which equals 12* Tan (23.367) = 0.432 = 5.184 = 5: 11:2

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The

Charkhandas:

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">1st Charkhanda = 10 * 5:11:6 =51:50:54;

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">2nd charkhanda = 8 * 5:11:6 = 41:28:43;

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">3rd charkhanda = 10/3 * 5:11:6 = 17:16:58

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The

Swodayas:

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Swodaya at 23N22 is as follows

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Cancer -

339.299

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Leo -

340.467

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Virgo -

330.85

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Libra -

330.85

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Scorpio -

340.467

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Sagittarius -

339.28

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Capricorn -

304.72

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Finding

the Lagna:

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Sun’s Longitude at Birth: 4s 8:16”:48’.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Ayanamsa: 23deg 30min

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Sayana Sun = Nirayana Sun - Ayanamsa = 3s

14deg 46.8min

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Period to be covered by the Sun in Cancer

= (30-14:46.8)/30 * 339.299 =172.138.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Ista Kala = 22.375 Ghatika after Sunrise = 1342.5 Vighatikas

/ Pal after Sunrise

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Signs covered by Sun after Sunrise to time of birth =

1342.5 pal -172.138 - 340.467 - 330.85 - 330.85 = 168.195

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Period covered in Scorpio =168.195 / 340.467

* 30 = 14:49”:13’

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Nirayana Lagna = 14:49:13

+ Ayanamsa (23:30) = 8s 8:19”:13’ (Sagittarius)

 

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">This gives the approximate longitude of

Lagna at Birth.

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Even

though this method is obsolete, you can find here that the duration rising of a

sign is not 2 hours for each sign as we normally take, but they vary with sign

to sign. There are shorter and longer ascension signs. The difference increases

the more we go towards the poles.

 

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Re: [vedic astrology] Lat

& Long in ancient times: To Sarajit

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10.0pt">Dear Sunil,

I think your question is about the latitudes and

longitudes of the places. In ancient times

the

latitude/longitudes were known in terms of

Palabha.

The meaning of Pala is Shanku and Bha means

shadow.

You must have heard about sundials.

You can convert present latitudes to

Palabhas. the

Formula for it is as follows :

Palabha = 12 x Tan(latitude)

Say the latitude of Delhi is 28N38

then Palabha = 12 x Tan (28deg38min)

= 12 x o.545972655

= 6Angula 33 Vynagula 6.02Prativyangula

Then the calculation of Charkhand palas is

calculated

and from it the swodaya sadhan is done. This

system

is now outdated as we are using the siderial time

for

all lagna calculations.

I think this will help you.

Yours

dewavrat buit

--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

> Dear Sunil,

> In ancient times the only ephemeris used were

the

> Panchangas. They had

> Lanka Longitude (It runs through Ujjain, Avanti

> etc.) as the reference

> point. So the correction for Local time was

based on

> that parameter. Now

> a days ephemeris use Greenwich as the reference

> point and calculations

> are made accordingly. There would be no

difference

> in the final chart

> drawn, barring that caused by use of

different

> Ayanamsha.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Sunil John wrote:

>

> > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > Dear Sarajit,

> > Thanks for ur kind email. My confusion was that i

> had just received

> > the information that in olden times the

zero

> longitude was reckoned

> > from UJJAIN

(for westerners it is in india)

and

> now it is Greenwich.

> > So i was thinking if their is something

missing

> that i dont know of

> > (which Anantji has illuminated me now)

otherwise i

> was thinking that

> > the co-ordinates of Madras etc in olden

times and

> now would be

> > different thereby giving us different

birth charts

> if we took a chart

> > of native born in madras now and

compared it to

> same in olden times.

> >

> > Anantji pointed out nicely that it is

taken care

> of now.

> >

> > Thanks for ur mail

> > best

> > SJ

> >

> >

> > */Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org>/*

> wrote:

> >

> > || Jaya

Jagannath ||

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> >

> >

> > The longitude

and latitude is just dividing

> the surface of earth

> > into coordinates

so that a place can be

> reckoned. Longitude is

> > required for

finding the exact time at that

> location or rather the

> > LMT on the basis

of which all calculations are

> performed and hence

> > even though it

is arbitrary, it is useful. The

> latitude controls

> > the season as

the Sun goes uttarayana and

> daskshinayana and is

> > more

astronomically important than the

> longitude.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thus it does not

matter where the longitudes

> were, the latitudes

> > would have been

the same.

> >

> >

> >

> > Btw no questions

are foolish.

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> >

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[Guest guest]

Dear shri Sarjit,

 

Excellent. You have given which I wanted to. But

only as a starter I have introduced the concept.But I

must congratulate you about such a nice post.

 

Yours

 

Dewavrat Buit

 

--- Sarajit Poddar <sarajit wrote:

 

> || Jaya Jagannath ||

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

>

>

> Just to add to Dewavratji, here is the calculation

> of the Lagna in the

> ancient method. This can give you some insights on

> the mathematical genius

> of ancient India.

>

>

>

> Palbha: when the saayana Sun is in the sign of Aries

> etc (i.e., during the

> time of equinox, when the day and the night is

> equal), the 12 Angul

> (fingers) shadow of Shankhu (a small stick used for

> this purpose) at midday

> is called Palbha. That Palbha is placed at three

> places and is multiplied

> respectively by 10, 8 and 10/3, and then three

> charkhanda are obtained.

>

>

>

> As Dewavratji mentions, the Palbha can be found from

> multiplying Tangent of

> the Latitude with 12. The following table were used

> for convenience in

> calculation, which were found on the basis of

> measuring up the shadow of the

> Shankhu.

>

>

>

> The Palbha for different latitudes are as follows

>

>

> Latitude

>

> Palbha

>

> Latitude

>

> Palbha

>

>

> 5

>

> 1:03:00

>

> 22

>

> 4:50:52

>

>

> 6

>

> 1:15:44

>

> 23

>

> 5:05:38

>

>

> 7

>

> 1:28:23

>

> 24

>

> 5:20:31

>

>

> 8

>

> 1:41:10

>

> 25

>

> 5:35:42

>

>

> 9

>

> 1:54:00

>

> 26

>

> 5:51:07

>

>

> 10

>

> 2:06:54

>

> 27

>

> 6:06:50

>

>

> 11

>

> 2:19:55

>

> 28

>

> 6:22:48

>

>

> 12

>

> 2:33:00

>

> 29

>

> 6:39:04

>

>

> 13

>

> 2:46:12

>

> 30

>

> 6:55:41

>

>

> 14

>

> 2:59:28

>

> 31

>

> 7:12:36

>

>

> 15

>

> 3:12:54

>

> 32

>

> 7:29:53

>

>

> 16

>

> 3:26:24

>

> 33

>

> 7:47:31

>

>

> 17

>

> 3:40:05

>

> 34

>

> 8:05:38

>

>

> 18

>

> 3:53:56

>

> 35

>

> 8:24:07

>

>

> 19

>

> 4:07:55

>

> 36

>

> 8:43:05

>

>

> 20

>

> 4:22:01

>

> 37

>

> 9:02:35

>

>

> 21

>

> 4:36:22

>

> 38

>

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[Guest guest]

Amazing is your post and knowledge. This is way above my understanding and hence

i would need to re-read this many times. One small doubt re

 

Even though this method is obsolete, you can find here that the duration rising

of a sign is not 2 hours for each sign as we normally take, but they vary with

sign to sign. There are shorter and longer ascension signs. The difference

increases the more we go towards the poles.

 

I was under the impression that we all are aware that a sign need not be 2 hrs

in duration and changes from season to season, is this correct (even if we are

not going towards the poles, lets take eg india)

 

Dear Srivastavaji,

Thanks for your detailed post, I am storing those emails.

best wishes

 

SJ

 

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