Fate(Advaita) VS Free Will(Dvaita) -East VS West Approach!

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My two cents - as I understand... I am looking for proper guidance

too...

 

Borrowing from Shri Gauranga Das's article,

 

"Having gone through all the miserable, hellish conditions and

having passed in a regular order through the lowest forms of animal

life prior to human birth, and having thus been purged of his sins,

one is reborn again as a human being on this earth." (Srimad-

Bhägavatam 3.30.34.)

 

"The Personality of Godhead said: Under the supervision of the

Supreme Lord and according to the result of his work, the living

entity, the soul, is made to enter into the womb of a woman through

the particle of male semen to assume a particular type of body."

(Çrémad-Bhägavatam 3.31.1.)

 

"The living entity's birth is directed by his karma, or the

reactions of his past sinful activities. Although the human form of

life is distinguished from the animal and plant forms because of the

higher intelligence which the jévätmä in a human body can

turn

towards self-realisation and reestablishing his relationship with

the Supreme, the fact in itself that the soul achieves a material

body, which is destined to suffer from the pains of birth, death,

old age and disease, indicates that the living entity has committed

sinful activities in the past and now he is reaping the bitter

fruits of those actions. In essence, tha cause of karmic reactions

is the soul's own decisions, even if in some instances they are

manifest through the medium of other living entities."

 

 

Tamil Saint Avvayar had said "it is difficult to be born as a human

being and even more difficult to be born as a normal human being

without deformation of organs and limbs". Born as a normal human

being, and bestowed with free will, you still cannot escape the

karmic reactions to your past actions. Free will allows you to act

in this life - so you can do some "Good karma" to balance the past

bad karma in your path to Moksha.

 

Therefore, having been bestowed with that free will, God expects you

to "ACT" - whether thro action, non-action or inaction - Karma,

Nishkamya Karma or Akarma - to collect as many positive points as

possible to neutralize the negative points you have scored in

previous lifes (as well as in this life through ignorance or

willingness), so that you eventually attain the state of no-negative

karma points which is when you launch your progress toward Moksha.

 

Moksha possibly is a state of many more positive points and not a

state of zero karmic points. Probably you die this life at the

state of zero karmic points, you will still be reborn as a normal

human being with such planetary positions that will indicate moksha

in this life - giving you the opportunity to perform "Good Karma" in

this life, so that you gain the necessary Positive Karmic Poitns to

attain Moksha.

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, tushankur.saroha@x wrote:

> Namaskar!

>

> Good one Rahul!

>

> Dialogue between H.H. & the Disciple is thought-provocative. Thanks

> Mahendra ji for sharing it.

>

> Let me put my two pence...

>

> Fate is past karma. Unknown, unseen.

> Free will is choice 'to do' or 'not to do'.

> Habits are conditionings which affect Free will considerably or

should I

> say nearly '100%'.

> Habits (patterns of behavior/action in ignorance) hamper free will

not the

> Fate.

>

> Thanks to Nisha for putting her thoughts across. However, I

disagree with

> Nisha that Good karmas are not binding. I think this way that -

'supreme

> state' is of 'non-action' and what is 'non-action'?

>

> 'Action' in full awareness. When there is no DOER - till 'I'

remains karmas

> are Binding....whether good or bad.

>

> And how to eliminate 'DOER' or 'I'? - Surrender & realize

the 'true self' -

> by 'Budhha' way, 'Bhakti' way, 'Patanjali' way...

>

> Till 'I' remain - fruits of past karma (fate) remain effective.

>

> I'm a novice and still looking answers to all these questions,

problems.

> Hope to learn from all the learned on this fabulous list.

>

> Again, thanks Rahul for nicely putting this East/West approach. It

is tough

> to me to choose between these two approaches:

>

> 'Go & get it' or 'do my bits and Surrender & wait - result/fruit

will be

> best for me (favourable/unfavourable)'.

>

>

> Tushankur Saroha

>

> ----- Forwarded by Tushankur Saroha/IN/AsiaPac/XONE on 21/10/2004

12:45

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> 21/10/2004 11:36 [vedic-

astrology] Fate(Advaita) VS Free Will(Dvaita) -East VS West

Approach!

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The discussion abt fate & freewill never ends,anyone who is serious

> in learning astrology eventually has to grapple with questions

> regarding fate and free will. Is our fate linked adamantly to our

> moment of birth or is there some wiggle room for free will? If so,

> how much?

>

> Obviously, astrologers can predict events, which proves there is

some

> element of fate at work. But at other times predictions fail. This

> may either be

> 1.a reflection on the astrologer's skill level,

> 2.the accuracy of the predictive system itself

> 3.there really is the elusive power of free will at play

>

> the West, feel very uncomfortable with the idea of fate or destiny

> and relish with free will. However, in India it's much

> different,it's not uncommon to hear someone resign themselves to a

> situation by simply saying "this is just my fate."

>

> However, while on the surface it may appear that Western attitude

is

> the wiser of the two, After all, how "free" really is our free

will

>

> when we're limited by our past conditioning? Usually, we're such

> creatures of habit that we can't even follow through with our new

> year's resolutions of past . Our habits are often so difficult to

> change. On the other hand, the attitude of resigning ourselves to

our

> fate could reflect a level of acceptance and trust that could be

> considered very wise.

>

> Due to the differences of cultural conditioning, generally the

> astrologers of India tend towards a fate orientation, while the

> astrologers in the West tends toward a free will orientation. And

> it's very easy to err on one side or the other

>

> However, there may be exceptions like, In some cases, telling a

> client honestly that they're entering a difficult period could help

> them "surrender" and come to acceptance of their situation, which

> could be a positive relief if they've made continued effort to

> improve their situation to no avail,Like if u try hard for material

> fullfillments in effected(bad) saturn period ,that much hard saturn

> will come at u?

>

>

> The path of action, represents "Dvaita" or dualism and is

generally a

> proponent of a free will orientation followed by modern seer and

> proponent of dvaita Paramahansa Yogananda.

>

> The path of surrender or non-action, represents "Advaita" or non-

> dualism and is generally a proponent of fate orientation followed

by

> modern seer and proponent of advaita Ramana Maharshi

>

> Both of the above conviction command respect in their respective

> schools of thought

>

> Hope the disussion continues?

> Rahul

>

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