Presidential Debate Prediction--To Sushmita

[Guest guest]

Hello Sushmita:

 

Well, how do you/would anyone know that Narasimha wasn't swayed by

popular public opinion?

 

Well, how do you know that Narasimha was using the correct charts?>

 

Well, how do you know what the correct chart for Vajpayee, Advani and

BJP are? I'm quite sure even Vajpayee and Advani themselves don't

know their ACCURATE birth details. On this dicussion board itself I

saw several versions of BJP/Vajpayee/Advani charts floating around

AND I happened to be in India around the elections and saw many more

versions of charts (each one with powerful Raj-yogs) floating around

in news papers.

 

Obviously, these astrologers had decided based on the BJP momentum

that it'll have a grand victory and later "worked backward" to create

charts with Raj-yogs.--It's very easy and quick to do with all the

astrology software available. Obviously, these Jyotishas weren't

using Jyotish, but common sense.

 

As to Vajpayee, Advani and Modi--they're my heros. As to Gujarat, it

was long due. I wish many more Gujarats happen all around India and

the Indian Islamic Savages, their Islamic terrorism and their attempt

to destroy India from the INSIDE with their Islamic breeding program

is ELIMINIATED forever.

 

The challenge of Jyotish is to predict the UNKNOWN, not predict what

is popularly KNOWN. It's very easy to put a Jyotish spin on what is

universally expected OR popularly known OR probabilistic outcome.

 

Here is MY prediction WITHOUT using Jyothish or any fancy Tithi-

pravesh charts or Charakaraka replacemnt theory, etc., etc. --BUSH

will have a convincing victory in the US presidential elections on

November 2, 2004.

 

Mukund

 

vedic astrology, "sushmita34"

<sushmita34> wrote:

> Dear Mukund,

> I think your post is unfair to Narasimha, the spirit of astrology &

> India.

> First of all you said that every known astrologer predicted victory

> for BJP and Vajyape, two astrologers one of whom I interact

regularly

> with had predicted otherwise, his name is Anshumalee Sood, who is a

> student of Sanjay Rath and also once upon a time a student of

K.N.Rao

> as per my information.

>

> He had predicted in advance and I had forwarded his mail in advance

> to this list.

> The other astrologer Mr. Lachman Das Madan the Guru of Sumeet Chugh

> had predicted in the times of india the failure for BJP. Mr. Madan

is

> a very famous astrologer running the reputed astrological magazine

> Babaji.

>

> Also, how do we know that Narasimha got swayed by public opinion in

> the presidential debate, we were not inside his mind to know that

or

> even otherwise. So it might come a bit judgemental to say that he

did

> without us truly knowing it.

>

> It is getting personal with astrology by saying that Sonia is

running

> a govt with criminals which is no better than getting swayed by

> thoughts as "what was Atalji and Advani doing when Gujurat was

> burning for so long, were they making papads. Why didn't they stop

> Modi. If they were so honest and reputable in character why did

they

> allow Gujurat to happen. Today India is unfortunately labeled as

the

> most racist country, we can even say that BJP, RSS, VHP & Bajrang

Dal

> made this country more communal, all the riots that have happened

due

> to their "gunda gardi". I might support BJP but BJP supports Shiv

> Sena which is known for its criminalisation and creating a bar

joint

> in every corner of bombay, double standards of allowing Michael

> Jackson to perform in the name of art and not allowing other

> foreigners to perform and MNCs to come and invest in this country.

If

> we are so concerned about feeding the poor in India, how come we

> missed that BJP spent 800 crores on their ad campaign, it surely

> would have fed 80 crores of people, I wonder if that is the entire

> population of US. I can make similar accusations towards Congress

and

> also give some good points about them, but the purpose is not to

get

> personal and biased in astrology, especially without knowing the

> astrolgers intent in his prediction. We are not here to judge a

> political party or a personality, nor to boast of our predictions,

> but to learn astrology, I presume that is the objective of this

list.

>

> You have always contributed to the list in astrological

discussions,

> this letter coming from you was a shock.

>

> Let us also understand that astrology as we know it, might be not

> even 1% of what our ancients knew. K.N.Rao himself says in his

> book "There is no astrologer in the world who understands even one

> third of this great astrological classic" This was said in context

of

> BPHS which many of us regard as the first text book of astrology,

so

> let us be humble and not get personal to such an extent is my

request

> to everyone.

>

> If your reply is argumentative, I wouldn't be able to reply.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sushmita

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

<monmuk111>

> wrote:

> > Hello Narasimha:

> >

> > I watched the debate. Kerry destroyed Bush, Bush looked like an

> > insecure, whiny school kid in front of Kerry. The CNN as well as

> Fox

> > opinion polls this morning confirm that Kerry convincingly beat

> Bush.

> >

> > Now, amongst all the Jyotishas, you, in my opinion, are one of

the

> > most honest. So, why did you join the band-wagon of making

> > predictions based on popular public opinion? Off course, before

the

> > debate, the public expected Bush to beat Kerry so EVERY

astrologer

> > out there predicted that Bush'll beat Kerry, but the opposite

> > happened.

> >

> > Same is the case with US elections. The popular public opinion is

> > that Bush will win. So, I'm sure all the hot and heavy Jyotishas

> like

> > Sanjay Rath, KN Rao, etc. etc. will predict a victory for Bush.

> >

> > Same thing happened with BJP loss in the Indian elections. The

> > popular public opinion said that BJP will have a land-slide

victory

> > and EVERY known astrologer in India predicted a BJP win. -- They

> all

> > saw Raj-yogs in the charts of BJP, Vajpai and Advani--and the sad

> > thing is that they were all working with different charts for the

> > same individuals--noone to this day knows what the correct

charts,

> > yet all of these charts showed Raj-yogs for BJP and its leaders.

> What

> > happened to all these Raj-yogs?

> >

> > The sad thing is that after their predictions on BJP victory, NO

> ONE

> > came forward and said that they had predicted based on popular

> public

> > opinion and NOT Jyotish. However, almost every astrologer whose

> > prediction had failed came up with a post-moterm of why their

> > prediction went wrong!!!!!!

> >

> > What would happen if a surgeon performed the wrong surgery on a

> > patient and later justified his faliure by looking at the same

> > patient and finding reasons for his faliure???--he would be

facing

> > serious medical mal-practice lawsuits.

> >

> > How about this Narasimha--why don't you predict when will India

be

> > able to get out of the clutches of the congress government run by

> > criminals, traitors and communists????? Why don't you see the

chart

> > of India and explain why India keeps on falling into the hands of

> > crooked congressmen over and over and over again?????

> >

> > First Nehru ruined India, then his daughter Indira ruined India,

> then

> > her son Rajiv ruined India and now India fell into the hands of

> > Rajiv's wife Sonia who has surrounded herself with some of the

most

> > corrupt, backward and criminal minded people on India.

> >

> > India with its huge highly-educated English speaking workforce

> could

> > have been like Hong-Kong, but is still a 3rd world country? Are

> there

> > some horrible yogs in India's chart that saints like Morarji

Desai,

> > Jayaprakash Narayan, Vajpayee and Advani are booted out of the

> > government and corrupt politicians are taking over in their place

> > OVER and OVER again?

> >

> > Why don't you take up a challenge like this rather than put out

> > predictions based on popular public opinion?

> >

> > Mukund

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > The daily Tithi Pravesha chart (DTPC) of Kerry is cast at

4:17:26

> > am (TZ: 6:00 west of GMT). This chart has Leo rising. Hora lord

at

> > the time of the chart is Mercury. So he is the ruler of the day.

He

> > is exalted in rasi chart in the 2nd house. Exalted Mercury in 2nd

> > shows eloquence and smooth speech. However, Mercury is

debilitated

> in

> > navamsa. So I thought he may be a little shaky here and there.

> > Kerry's main challenge was to dispel the noton so successfully

> > planted in the minds of people by the Bush campaign that Kerry

was

> a

> > flip-flopper and a waffler. With the hora lord Mercury placed in

> 2nd

> > in rasi and debilitated in navamsa, I was not sure if he would

> > deliver on that count. When I said he would be eloquent but a

> little

> > shaky, what I meant is that he would talk smoothly and fluently

but

> > might not be able to convince too many undecideds who are worried

> > that he is a flip-flopper.

> > >

> > > In dasamsa, Mercury and Venus are in 6th from AL. With two

> benefics

> > in 6th, I thought he would come across as being soft and not too

> > attacking.

> > >

> > > Now look at Bush's DTPC. It is cast at 2:23:53 am (TZ: 4:00

west

> of

> > GMT). This chart has Cancer rising. The hora lord is Sun. So Sun

is

> > the ruler of the day. Sun is in the 3rd house. While Mercury in

2nd

> > in Kerry's case shows eloquence and fluenct speech, Sun in 3rd in

> > Bush's case shows a strong, determined and a scathing approach.

So

> I

> > said Bush would be somewhat strong and fiery. Moreover, in

dasamsa,

> > Sun is in 3rd from AL. So I thought he would come across as being

> > attacking.

> > >

> > > Overall, I thought both would do well and neither would deliver

a

> > huge blow to the other campaign. But the solar strength made me

> think

> > that Bush may come out of it with a slight advantage. I thought

> Bush

> > would use the opportunity a little better to harm the credibility

> of

> > Kerry, even though Kerry may appear more eloquent and scholarly.

> > >

> > > Whether that happened or not is debatable. Opinions of

> individuals

> > who watched the debate can vary and opinions of pundits who

> commented

> > on the TV may vary. Some would say Bush did better and some would

> say

> > Kerry did. How the overall electorate took the debates will

become

> > clear in a few days after the latest opinion poll results are in.

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> > > > Dear Narasimha,

> > > > It is very rare of you to give predictions without

astrological

> > > > analysis, can you kindly give analysis. I have seen your

> previous

> > > > Tithi Pravesh usage and no one uses the way you do, so it is

> > always a

> > > > learning for most of us.

> > > >

> > > > Have you rectified the birth times of the canditates, if yes

> can

> > you

> > > > post them on the list.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sushmita

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...>

> wrote:

> > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > Based upon the daily Tithi Pravesha charts, it is my

> prediction

> > > > that

> > > > > tonight's US presidential debate will go well. Kerry will

be

> > > > eloquent

> > > > > but a little shaky and Bush will be somewhat strong and

> fiery.

> > Both

> > > > > will do well, but Bush will come out of it with a little

> > advantage.

> > > > >

> > > > > The charts I am using are:

> > > > >

> > > > > George W Bush

> > > > >

> > > > > July 6, 1946

> > > > > Time: 7:30:00

> > > > > Time Zone: 4:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 72 W 55' 43", 41 N 18' 29"

> > > > >

> > > > > John Kerry

> > > > >

> > > > > December 11, 1943

> > > > > Time: 8:08:00

> > > > > Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 104 W 59' 03", 39 N 44' 21"

> > > > >

> > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Namaste Mukund,

 

> As to Vajpayee, Advani and Modi--they're my heros. As to Gujarat,

> it was long due. I wish many more Gujarats happen all around India

> and the Indian Islamic Savages, their Islamic terrorism and their

> attempt to destroy India from the INSIDE with their Islamic

> breeding program is ELIMINIATED forever.

 

And you are my hero for seeing through the secularism cloud that is

so destroying India. Gujarat riots were an answer to almost 11

centuries of suffering imposed upon Hindu/Sikh/Parsi population of

the land of India, by Islamic invaders/crusaders. Frankly, the

attitude of appeasing the so called minorities at any cost is

killing the majority of India i.e. the Hindus. Democracy in India is

sadly, but truly, a joke. It is all about giving more than equal

rights to minorities and snatching human/economic rights from the

majority. Nobody is calling here for a Muslim genocide, but

unfortunately, the very people that are so up-tight about the Gujarat

riots don't even show courtesy to acknowledge the Godhra carnage that

instigated the riots in the first place.

 

The most unfortunate part of this sorry state of affairs is that

Indians today do not know their history to be able to analyze it for

themselves. What do you expect when the kids are not being taught the

history of their land in public schools, but rather some distorted

version of what happened to their ancestors? I encourage everyone to

read another version of our nation's history in this freely

downloadable book "Arise Again, O India!" available at

http://www.francoisgautier.com/mywork.htm. You do not have to believe

in everything that is in this book, but at least this will provide

you with a different perspective on your own land and religion.

 

May Sri Vishnu bless us with the will, intelligence and spirits to

survive this attack on our nation, religion and culture.

 

Reema.

 

P.s. As for the Jyotish angle to this discussion, I have no comment.

I have very high respect for Narasimha and SJC, and generally take

everything coming out of this organization at face value.

 

Also, I understand that this list is not for political discussions,

but I had to applaud Mukund for his right thinking and guts to

publicly acknowledge the not-so-politically-correct but factually-

correct view of Gujarat riots.

 

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

wrote:

> Hello Sushmita:

>

> Well, how do you/would anyone know that Narasimha wasn't swayed by

> popular public opinion?

>

> Well, how do you know that Narasimha was using the correct charts?>

>

> Well, how do you know what the correct chart for Vajpayee, Advani

and

> BJP are? I'm quite sure even Vajpayee and Advani themselves don't

> know their ACCURATE birth details. On this dicussion board itself I

> saw several versions of BJP/Vajpayee/Advani charts floating around

> AND I happened to be in India around the elections and saw many

more

> versions of charts (each one with powerful Raj-yogs) floating

around

> in news papers.

>

> Obviously, these astrologers had decided based on the BJP momentum

> that it'll have a grand victory and later "worked backward" to

create

> charts with Raj-yogs.--It's very easy and quick to do with all the

> astrology software available. Obviously, these Jyotishas weren't

> using Jyotish, but common sense.

>

> As to Vajpayee, Advani and Modi--they're my heros. As to Gujarat,

it

> was long due. I wish many more Gujarats happen all around India and

> the Indian Islamic Savages, their Islamic terrorism and their

attempt

> to destroy India from the INSIDE with their Islamic breeding

program

> is ELIMINIATED forever.

>

> The challenge of Jyotish is to predict the UNKNOWN, not predict

what

> is popularly KNOWN. It's very easy to put a Jyotish spin on what is

> universally expected OR popularly known OR probabilistic outcome.

>

> Here is MY prediction WITHOUT using Jyothish or any fancy Tithi-

> pravesh charts or Charakaraka replacemnt theory, etc., etc. --BUSH

> will have a convincing victory in the US presidential elections on

> November 2, 2004.

>

> Mukund

>

> vedic astrology, "sushmita34"

> <sushmita34> wrote:

> > Dear Mukund,

> > I think your post is unfair to Narasimha, the spirit of astrology

&

> > India.

> > First of all you said that every known astrologer predicted

victory

> > for BJP and Vajyape, two astrologers one of whom I interact

> regularly

> > with had predicted otherwise, his name is Anshumalee Sood, who is

a

> > student of Sanjay Rath and also once upon a time a student of

> K.N.Rao

> > as per my information.

> >

> > He had predicted in advance and I had forwarded his mail in

advance

> > to this list.

> > The other astrologer Mr. Lachman Das Madan the Guru of Sumeet

Chugh

> > had predicted in the times of india the failure for BJP. Mr.

Madan

> is

> > a very famous astrologer running the reputed astrological

magazine

> > Babaji.

> >

> > Also, how do we know that Narasimha got swayed by public opinion

in

> > the presidential debate, we were not inside his mind to know that

> or

> > even otherwise. So it might come a bit judgemental to say that he

> did

> > without us truly knowing it.

> >

> > It is getting personal with astrology by saying that Sonia is

> running

> > a govt with criminals which is no better than getting swayed by

> > thoughts as "what was Atalji and Advani doing when Gujurat was

> > burning for so long, were they making papads. Why didn't they

stop

> > Modi. If they were so honest and reputable in character why did

> they

> > allow Gujurat to happen. Today India is unfortunately labeled as

> the

> > most racist country, we can even say that BJP, RSS, VHP & Bajrang

> Dal

> > made this country more communal, all the riots that have happened

> due

> > to their "gunda gardi". I might support BJP but BJP supports Shiv

> > Sena which is known for its criminalisation and creating a bar

> joint

> > in every corner of bombay, double standards of allowing Michael

> > Jackson to perform in the name of art and not allowing other

> > foreigners to perform and MNCs to come and invest in this

country.

> If

> > we are so concerned about feeding the poor in India, how come we

> > missed that BJP spent 800 crores on their ad campaign, it surely

> > would have fed 80 crores of people, I wonder if that is the

entire

> > population of US. I can make similar accusations towards Congress

> and

> > also give some good points about them, but the purpose is not to

> get

> > personal and biased in astrology, especially without knowing the

> > astrolgers intent in his prediction. We are not here to judge a

> > political party or a personality, nor to boast of our

predictions,

> > but to learn astrology, I presume that is the objective of this

> list.

> >

> > You have always contributed to the list in astrological

> discussions,

> > this letter coming from you was a shock.

> >

> > Let us also understand that astrology as we know it, might be not

> > even 1% of what our ancients knew. K.N.Rao himself says in his

> > book "There is no astrologer in the world who understands even

one

> > third of this great astrological classic" This was said in

context

> of

> > BPHS which many of us regard as the first text book of astrology,

> so

> > let us be humble and not get personal to such an extent is my

> request

> > to everyone.

> >

> > If your reply is argumentative, I wouldn't be able to reply.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sushmita

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> <monmuk111>

> > wrote:

> > > Hello Narasimha:

> > >

> > > I watched the debate. Kerry destroyed Bush, Bush looked like an

> > > insecure, whiny school kid in front of Kerry. The CNN as well

as

> > Fox

> > > opinion polls this morning confirm that Kerry convincingly beat

> > Bush.

> > >

> > > Now, amongst all the Jyotishas, you, in my opinion, are one of

> the

> > > most honest. So, why did you join the band-wagon of making

> > > predictions based on popular public opinion? Off course, before

> the

> > > debate, the public expected Bush to beat Kerry so EVERY

> astrologer

> > > out there predicted that Bush'll beat Kerry, but the opposite

> > > happened.

> > >

> > > Same is the case with US elections. The popular public opinion

is

> > > that Bush will win. So, I'm sure all the hot and heavy

Jyotishas

> > like

> > > Sanjay Rath, KN Rao, etc. etc. will predict a victory for Bush.

> > >

> > > Same thing happened with BJP loss in the Indian elections. The

> > > popular public opinion said that BJP will have a land-slide

> victory

> > > and EVERY known astrologer in India predicted a BJP win. --

They

> > all

> > > saw Raj-yogs in the charts of BJP, Vajpai and Advani--and the

sad

> > > thing is that they were all working with different charts for

the

> > > same individuals--noone to this day knows what the correct

> charts,

> > > yet all of these charts showed Raj-yogs for BJP and its

leaders.

> > What

> > > happened to all these Raj-yogs?

> > >

> > > The sad thing is that after their predictions on BJP victory,

NO

> > ONE

> > > came forward and said that they had predicted based on popular

> > public

> > > opinion and NOT Jyotish. However, almost every astrologer whose

> > > prediction had failed came up with a post-moterm of why their

> > > prediction went wrong!!!!!!

> > >

> > > What would happen if a surgeon performed the wrong surgery on a

> > > patient and later justified his faliure by looking at the same

> > > patient and finding reasons for his faliure???--he would be

> facing

> > > serious medical mal-practice lawsuits.

> > >

> > > How about this Narasimha--why don't you predict when will India

> be

> > > able to get out of the clutches of the congress government run

by

> > > criminals, traitors and communists????? Why don't you see the

> chart

> > > of India and explain why India keeps on falling into the hands

of

> > > crooked congressmen over and over and over again?????

> > >

> > > First Nehru ruined India, then his daughter Indira ruined

India,

> > then

> > > her son Rajiv ruined India and now India fell into the hands of

> > > Rajiv's wife Sonia who has surrounded herself with some of the

> most

> > > corrupt, backward and criminal minded people on India.

> > >

> > > India with its huge highly-educated English speaking workforce

> > could

> > > have been like Hong-Kong, but is still a 3rd world country? Are

> > there

> > > some horrible yogs in India's chart that saints like Morarji

> Desai,

> > > Jayaprakash Narayan, Vajpayee and Advani are booted out of the

> > > government and corrupt politicians are taking over in their

place

> > > OVER and OVER again?

> > >

> > > Why don't you take up a challenge like this rather than put out

> > > predictions based on popular public opinion?

> > >

> > > Mukund

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > The daily Tithi Pravesha chart (DTPC) of Kerry is cast at

> 4:17:26

> > > am (TZ: 6:00 west of GMT). This chart has Leo rising. Hora lord

> at

> > > the time of the chart is Mercury. So he is the ruler of the

day.

> He

> > > is exalted in rasi chart in the 2nd house. Exalted Mercury in

2nd

> > > shows eloquence and smooth speech. However, Mercury is

> debilitated

> > in

> > > navamsa. So I thought he may be a little shaky here and there.

> > > Kerry's main challenge was to dispel the noton so successfully

> > > planted in the minds of people by the Bush campaign that Kerry

> was

> > a

> > > flip-flopper and a waffler. With the hora lord Mercury placed

in

> > 2nd

> > > in rasi and debilitated in navamsa, I was not sure if he would

> > > deliver on that count. When I said he would be eloquent but a

> > little

> > > shaky, what I meant is that he would talk smoothly and fluently

> but

> > > might not be able to convince too many undecideds who are

worried

> > > that he is a flip-flopper.

> > > >

> > > > In dasamsa, Mercury and Venus are in 6th from AL. With two

> > benefics

> > > in 6th, I thought he would come across as being soft and not

too

> > > attacking.

> > > >

> > > > Now look at Bush's DTPC. It is cast at 2:23:53 am (TZ: 4:00

> west

> > of

> > > GMT). This chart has Cancer rising. The hora lord is Sun. So

Sun

> is

> > > the ruler of the day. Sun is in the 3rd house. While Mercury in

> 2nd

> > > in Kerry's case shows eloquence and fluenct speech, Sun in 3rd

in

> > > Bush's case shows a strong, determined and a scathing approach.

> So

> > I

> > > said Bush would be somewhat strong and fiery. Moreover, in

> dasamsa,

> > > Sun is in 3rd from AL. So I thought he would come across as

being

> > > attacking.

> > > >

> > > > Overall, I thought both would do well and neither would

deliver

> a

> > > huge blow to the other campaign. But the solar strength made me

> > think

> > > that Bush may come out of it with a slight advantage. I thought

> > Bush

> > > would use the opportunity a little better to harm the

credibility

> > of

> > > Kerry, even though Kerry may appear more eloquent and scholarly.

> > > >

> > > > Whether that happened or not is debatable. Opinions of

> > individuals

> > > who watched the debate can vary and opinions of pundits who

> > commented

> > > on the TV may vary. Some would say Bush did better and some

would

> > say

> > > Kerry did. How the overall electorate took the debates will

> become

> > > clear in a few days after the latest opinion poll results are

in.

> > > >

> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Narasimha,

> > > > > It is very rare of you to give predictions without

> astrological

> > > > > analysis, can you kindly give analysis. I have seen your

> > previous

> > > > > Tithi Pravesh usage and no one uses the way you do, so it

is

> > > always a

> > > > > learning for most of us.

> > > > >

> > > > > Have you rectified the birth times of the canditates, if

yes

> > can

> > > you

> > > > > post them on the list.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sushmita

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Based upon the daily Tithi Pravesha charts, it is my

> > prediction

> > > > > that

> > > > > > tonight's US presidential debate will go well. Kerry will

> be

> > > > > eloquent

> > > > > > but a little shaky and Bush will be somewhat strong and

> > fiery.

> > > Both

> > > > > > will do well, but Bush will come out of it with a little

> > > advantage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The charts I am using are:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > George W Bush

> > > > > >

> > > > > > July 6, 1946

> > > > > > Time: 7:30:00

> > > > > > Time Zone: 4:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > Place: 72 W 55' 43", 41 N 18' 29"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > John Kerry

> > > > > >

> > > > > > December 11, 1943

> > > > > > Time: 8:08:00

> > > > > > Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > Place: 104 W 59' 03", 39 N 44' 21"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Hello Reema:

 

I have very high respect for Narasimha as well and he has helped me a

lot over the years. I also continue to consult Narasimha's Guru

Sanjay Rath on my queries/issues/problems and have very high respect

for him as well.

 

What I dissented on or what I challenged was the attitude of the

Jyotishas to put a Jyotish spin on the popular public opinion OR a

known probabilsitic outcome of a scenario (elections these days).

 

Now, whether Narasimha followed the popular public opinion in

predicting that "Bush will come out ahead in the debate," only

Narasimha knows. I have confidence in Narasimha's integrity and

believe that he based him prediction on atrological evidence.

 

But, the bigger issue is challenge--what's the use of a Jyotisha

predicting an election when the outcome is certain. Bush is going to

win, everyone know this so why attempt to claim Jyotish glory by

predicting what is already a known probabilistic outcome.

 

As to India, I'm hoping organizations like Bajrang Dal, Shiv-Sena

and VHP don't sell-out OR die-out as they are the last bastions of

protection againt the Islamic Invasion of India from the INSIDE.

 

As to Francois Gautier, I've read him and am attempting to fund

Hindi, Marathi and Gujarati translation of his work/views to be

distributed to the common man in India. And, every citizen of

countries (France, United Kingdom and India) affected by the Islamic

invation from the INSIDE should read Francois Gautier's work.

 

One thing I don't understand is that if PARTITION of India was made

based on religions, then why does India still have Muslims? These

Islamic Savages were given their own countries--one to the West and

one to the East, then why does India still have Muslim population

GREATER than that of both Pakistan and Bagladesh put together? I wish

BJP and Shiv-Sena come to power again and ask this question to the

common man in India.

 

Mukund

 

vedic astrology, "reema_sriganesh"

<reema_sriganesh> wrote:

> Namaste Mukund,

>

> > As to Vajpayee, Advani and Modi--they're my heros. As to Gujarat,

> > it was long due. I wish many more Gujarats happen all around

India

> > and the Indian Islamic Savages, their Islamic terrorism and their

> > attempt to destroy India from the INSIDE with their Islamic

> > breeding program is ELIMINIATED forever.

>

> And you are my hero for seeing through the secularism cloud that is

> so destroying India. Gujarat riots were an answer to almost 11

> centuries of suffering imposed upon Hindu/Sikh/Parsi population of

> the land of India, by Islamic invaders/crusaders. Frankly, the

> attitude of appeasing the so called minorities at any cost is

> killing the majority of India i.e. the Hindus. Democracy in India

is

> sadly, but truly, a joke. It is all about giving more than equal

> rights to minorities and snatching human/economic rights from the

> majority. Nobody is calling here for a Muslim genocide, but

> unfortunately, the very people that are so up-tight about the

Gujarat

> riots don't even show courtesy to acknowledge the Godhra carnage

that

> instigated the riots in the first place.

>

> The most unfortunate part of this sorry state of affairs is that

> Indians today do not know their history to be able to analyze it

for

> themselves. What do you expect when the kids are not being taught

the

> history of their land in public schools, but rather some distorted

> version of what happened to their ancestors? I encourage everyone

to

> read another version of our nation's history in this freely

> downloadable book "Arise Again, O India!" available at

> http://www.fwww.komilla.comrancoisgautier.com/mywork.htm. You do

not have to believe

> in everything that is in this book, but at least this will provide

> you with a different perspective on your own land and religion.

>

> May Sri Vishnu bless us with the will, intelligence and spirits to

> survive this attack on our nation, religion and culture.

>

> Reema.

>

> P.s. As for the Jyotish angle to this discussion, I have no

comment.

> I have very high respect for Narasimha and SJC, and generally take

> everything coming out of this organization at face value.

>

> Also, I understand that this list is not for political discussions,

> but I had to applaud Mukund for his right thinking and guts to

> publicly acknowledge the not-so-politically-correct but factually-

> correct view of Gujarat riots.

>

> vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

<monmuk111>

> wrote:

> > Hello Sushmita:

> >

> > Well, how do you/would anyone know that Narasimha wasn't swayed

by

> > popular public opinion?

> >

> > Well, how do you know that Narasimha was using the correct charts?

>

> >

> > Well, how do you know what the correct chart for Vajpayee, Advani

> and

> > BJP are? I'm quite sure even Vajpayee and Advani themselves don't

> > know their ACCURATE birth details. On this dicussion board itself

I

> > saw several versions of BJP/Vajpayee/Advani charts floating

around

> > AND I happened to be in India around the elections and saw many

> more

> > versions of charts (each one with powerful Raj-yogs) floating

> around

> > in news papers.

> >

> > Obviously, these astrologers had decided based on the BJP

momentum

> > that it'll have a grand victory and later "worked backward" to

> create

> > charts with Raj-yogs.--It's very easy and quick to do with all

the

> > astrology software available. Obviously, these Jyotishas weren't

> > using Jyotish, but common sense.

> >

> > As to Vajpayee, Advani and Modi--they're my heros. As to Gujarat,

> it

> > was long due. I wish many more Gujarats happen all around India

and

> > the Indian Islamic Savages, their Islamic terrorism and their

> attempt

> > to destroy India from the INSIDE with their Islamic breeding

> program

> > is ELIMINIATED forever.

> >

> > The challenge of Jyotish is to predict the UNKNOWN, not predict

> what

> > is popularly KNOWN. It's very easy to put a Jyotish spin on what

is

> > universally expected OR popularly known OR probabilistic outcome.

> >

> > Here is MY prediction WITHOUT using Jyothish or any fancy Tithi-

> > pravesh charts or Charakaraka replacemnt theory, etc., etc. --

BUSH

> > will have a convincing victory in the US presidential elections

on

> > November 2, 2004.

> >

> > Mukund

> >

> > vedic astrology, "sushmita34"

> > <sushmita34> wrote:

> > > Dear Mukund,

> > > I think your post is unfair to Narasimha, the spirit of

astrology

> &

> > > India.

> > > First of all you said that every known astrologer predicted

> victory

> > > for BJP and Vajyape, two astrologers one of whom I interact

> > regularly

> > > with had predicted otherwise, his name is Anshumalee Sood, who

is

> a

> > > student of Sanjay Rath and also once upon a time a student of

> > K.N.Rao

> > > as per my information.

> > >

> > > He had predicted in advance and I had forwarded his mail in

> advance

> > > to this list.

> > > The other astrologer Mr. Lachman Das Madan the Guru of Sumeet

> Chugh

> > > had predicted in the times of india the failure for BJP. Mr.

> Madan

> > is

> > > a very famous astrologer running the reputed astrological

> magazine

> > > Babaji.

> > >

> > > Also, how do we know that Narasimha got swayed by public

opinion

> in

> > > the presidential debate, we were not inside his mind to know

that

> > or

> > > even otherwise. So it might come a bit judgemental to say that

he

> > did

> > > without us truly knowing it.

> > >

> > > It is getting personal with astrology by saying that Sonia is

> > running

> > > a govt with criminals which is no better than getting swayed by

> > > thoughts as "what was Atalji and Advani doing when Gujurat was

> > > burning for so long, were they making papads. Why didn't they

> stop

> > > Modi. If they were so honest and reputable in character why

did

> > they

> > > allow Gujurat to happen. Today India is unfortunately labeled

as

> > the

> > > most racist country, we can even say that BJP, RSS, VHP &

Bajrang

> > Dal

> > > made this country more communal, all the riots that have

happened

> > due

> > > to their "gunda gardi". I might support BJP but BJP supports

Shiv

> > > Sena which is known for its criminalisation and creating a bar

> > joint

> > > in every corner of bombay, double standards of allowing Michael

> > > Jackson to perform in the name of art and not allowing other

> > > foreigners to perform and MNCs to come and invest in this

> country.

> > If

> > > we are so concerned about feeding the poor in India, how come

we

> > > missed that BJP spent 800 crores on their ad campaign, it

surely

> > > would have fed 80 crores of people, I wonder if that is the

> entire

> > > population of US. I can make similar accusations towards

Congress

> > and

> > > also give some good points about them, but the purpose is not

to

> > get

> > > personal and biased in astrology, especially without knowing

the

> > > astrolgers intent in his prediction. We are not here to judge a

> > > political party or a personality, nor to boast of our

> predictions,

> > > but to learn astrology, I presume that is the objective of this

> > list.

> > >

> > > You have always contributed to the list in astrological

> > discussions,

> > > this letter coming from you was a shock.

> > >

> > > Let us also understand that astrology as we know it, might be

not

> > > even 1% of what our ancients knew. K.N.Rao himself says in his

> > > book "There is no astrologer in the world who understands even

> one

> > > third of this great astrological classic" This was said in

> context

> > of

> > > BPHS which many of us regard as the first text book of

astrology,

> > so

> > > let us be humble and not get personal to such an extent is my

> > request

> > > to everyone.

> > >

> > > If your reply is argumentative, I wouldn't be able to reply.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sushmita

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> > <monmuk111>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Hello Narasimha:

> > > >

> > > > I watched the debate. Kerry destroyed Bush, Bush looked like

an

> > > > insecure, whiny school kid in front of Kerry. The CNN as well

> as

> > > Fox

> > > > opinion polls this morning confirm that Kerry convincingly

beat

> > > Bush.

> > > >

> > > > Now, amongst all the Jyotishas, you, in my opinion, are one

of

> > the

> > > > most honest. So, why did you join the band-wagon of making

> > > > predictions based on popular public opinion? Off course,

before

> > the

> > > > debate, the public expected Bush to beat Kerry so EVERY

> > astrologer

> > > > out there predicted that Bush'll beat Kerry, but the opposite

> > > > happened.

> > > >

> > > > Same is the case with US elections. The popular public

opinion

> is

> > > > that Bush will win. So, I'm sure all the hot and heavy

> Jyotishas

> > > like

> > > > Sanjay Rath, KN Rao, etc. etc. will predict a victory for

Bush.

> > > >

> > > > Same thing happened with BJP loss in the Indian elections.

The

> > > > popular public opinion said that BJP will have a land-slide

> > victory

> > > > and EVERY known astrologer in India predicted a BJP win. --

> They

> > > all

> > > > saw Raj-yogs in the charts of BJP, Vajpai and Advani--and the

> sad

> > > > thing is that they were all working with different charts for

> the

> > > > same individuals--noone to this day knows what the correct

> > charts,

> > > > yet all of these charts showed Raj-yogs for BJP and its

> leaders.

> > > What

> > > > happened to all these Raj-yogs?

> > > >

> > > > The sad thing is that after their predictions on BJP victory,

> NO

> > > ONE

> > > > came forward and said that they had predicted based on

popular

> > > public

> > > > opinion and NOT Jyotish. However, almost every astrologer

whose

> > > > prediction had failed came up with a post-moterm of why their

> > > > prediction went wrong!!!!!!

> > > >

> > > > What would happen if a surgeon performed the wrong surgery on

a

> > > > patient and later justified his faliure by looking at the

same

> > > > patient and finding reasons for his faliure???--he would be

> > facing

> > > > serious medical mal-practice lawsuits.

> > > >

> > > > How about this Narasimha--why don't you predict when will

India

> > be

> > > > able to get out of the clutches of the congress government

run

> by

> > > > criminals, traitors and communists????? Why don't you see the

> > chart

> > > > of India and explain why India keeps on falling into the

hands

> of

> > > > crooked congressmen over and over and over again?????

> > > >

> > > > First Nehru ruined India, then his daughter Indira ruined

> India,

> > > then

> > > > her son Rajiv ruined India and now India fell into the hands

of

> > > > Rajiv's wife Sonia who has surrounded herself with some of

the

> > most

> > > > corrupt, backward and criminal minded people on India.

> > > >

> > > > India with its huge highly-educated English speaking

workforce

> > > could

> > > > have been like Hong-Kong, but is still a 3rd world country?

Are

> > > there

> > > > some horrible yogs in India's chart that saints like Morarji

> > Desai,

> > > > Jayaprakash Narayan, Vajpayee and Advani are booted out of

the

> > > > government and corrupt politicians are taking over in their

> place

> > > > OVER and OVER again?

> > > >

> > > > Why don't you take up a challenge like this rather than put

out

> > > > predictions based on popular public opinion?

> > > >

> > > > Mukund

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.

Rao"

> > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > The daily Tithi Pravesha chart (DTPC) of Kerry is cast at

> > 4:17:26

> > > > am (TZ: 6:00 west of GMT). This chart has Leo rising. Hora

lord

> > at

> > > > the time of the chart is Mercury. So he is the ruler of the

> day.

> > He

> > > > is exalted in rasi chart in the 2nd house. Exalted Mercury in

> 2nd

> > > > shows eloquence and smooth speech. However, Mercury is

> > debilitated

> > > in

> > > > navamsa. So I thought he may be a little shaky here and

there.

> > > > Kerry's main challenge was to dispel the noton so

successfully

> > > > planted in the minds of people by the Bush campaign that

Kerry

> > was

> > > a

> > > > flip-flopper and a waffler. With the hora lord Mercury placed

> in

> > > 2nd

> > > > in rasi and debilitated in navamsa, I was not sure if he

would

> > > > deliver on that count. When I said he would be eloquent but a

> > > little

> > > > shaky, what I meant is that he would talk smoothly and

fluently

> > but

> > > > might not be able to convince too many undecideds who are

> worried

> > > > that he is a flip-flopper.

> > > > >

> > > > > In dasamsa, Mercury and Venus are in 6th from AL. With two

> > > benefics

> > > > in 6th, I thought he would come across as being soft and not

> too

> > > > attacking.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now look at Bush's DTPC. It is cast at 2:23:53 am (TZ: 4:00

> > west

> > > of

> > > > GMT). This chart has Cancer rising. The hora lord is Sun. So

> Sun

> > is

> > > > the ruler of the day. Sun is in the 3rd house. While Mercury

in

> > 2nd

> > > > in Kerry's case shows eloquence and fluenct speech, Sun in

3rd

> in

> > > > Bush's case shows a strong, determined and a scathing

approach.

> > So

> > > I

> > > > said Bush would be somewhat strong and fiery. Moreover, in

> > dasamsa,

> > > > Sun is in 3rd from AL. So I thought he would come across as

> being

> > > > attacking.

> > > > >

> > > > > Overall, I thought both would do well and neither would

> deliver

> > a

> > > > huge blow to the other campaign. But the solar strength made

me

> > > think

> > > > that Bush may come out of it with a slight advantage. I

thought

> > > Bush

> > > > would use the opportunity a little better to harm the

> credibility

> > > of

> > > > Kerry, even though Kerry may appear more eloquent and

scholarly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Whether that happened or not is debatable. Opinions of

> > > individuals

> > > > who watched the debate can vary and opinions of pundits who

> > > commented

> > > > on the TV may vary. Some would say Bush did better and some

> would

> > > say

> > > > Kerry did. How the overall electorate took the debates will

> > become

> > > > clear in a few days after the latest opinion poll results are

> in.

> > > > >

> > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Narasimha,

> > > > > > It is very rare of you to give predictions without

> > astrological

> > > > > > analysis, can you kindly give analysis. I have seen your

> > > previous

> > > > > > Tithi Pravesh usage and no one uses the way you do, so it

> is

> > > > always a

> > > > > > learning for most of us.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Have you rectified the birth times of the canditates, if

> yes

> > > can

> > > > you

> > > > > > post them on the list.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sushmita

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "pvr108"

<pvr@c...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Based upon the daily Tithi Pravesha charts, it is my

> > > prediction

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > tonight's US presidential debate will go well. Kerry

will

> > be

> > > > > > eloquent

> > > > > > > but a little shaky and Bush will be somewhat strong and

> > > fiery.

> > > > Both

> > > > > > > will do well, but Bush will come out of it with a

little

> > > > advantage.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The charts I am using are:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > George W Bush

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > July 6, 1946

> > > > > > > Time: 7:30:00

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 4:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > Place: 72 W 55' 43", 41 N 18' 29"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > John Kerry

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > December 11, 1943

> > > > > > > Time: 8:08:00

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > Place: 104 W 59' 03", 39 N 44' 21"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > > Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Dear Mukund,

 

> But, the bigger issue is challenge--what's the use of a Jyotisha

> predicting an election when the outcome is certain. Bush is going

to

> win, everyone know this so why attempt to claim Jyotish glory by

> predicting what is already a known probabilistic outcome.

 

Anybody who says that the result of this election is a foregone

conclusion does not have his facts right. This contest is in a dead

heat. Based on most opinion polls, the margin between the two

candidates is within the margin of error. I repeat, there is

no "known probabilistic outcome" of this election, as of today. Both

stand a nearly 50-50 chance as of today.

 

Secondly, even the result of the debate was not a foregone

conclusion. It was not at all clear before the debate how it would

go. Given that Kerry raised the pitch in his criticism of Iraq war in

the last 2 weeks and started to sound clear, coherent and strong,

both were expected to do well in the debate.

 

If you say that Bush was expected to win the debate and hence I

predicted so, it is your view and not based on facts. First of all,

there was no favorite in this debate. Secondly, I did not predict a

Bush victory. I predicted an even contest with Bush having a "little"

advantage. Thirdly, it was based on astrological analysis which I

shared with you. It is unfair and hasty to accuse me of other

motivations.

 

As for the debate itself, political pundits are still debating on who

won the debate. However, the consensus seems to be that Kerry won

narrowly. So I may not have been correct. However, we do have to

realize that winning the debate can be different from gaining from

the debate.

 

According to the respected USA Today-Gallup opinion poll, 53% people

thought Kerry did a better job in the debate and 37% people thought

Bush did a better job. That shows Kerry did better. However, for

being "more believable" in the debate, Bush beat Kerry 50 to 45. For

being more likeable, Bush beat Kerry 48 to 41. For demonstrating that

he is tough enough for the job, Bush beat Kerry 54-37.

 

Though 53% people said that Kerry debated better, the final impact of

the debate on the vote will be decided by other factors too (examples

of which I mentioned above). It is not just a debate competition. It

is an opportunity to connect with the voters. It is probably for this

reason that the support for Bush and Kerry is virtually unchanged

after this debate as per the Gallup poll and Bush still leads. The

percentage of people who thought Bush would handle the Iraq situation

better did not change from 54%.

 

According to the ABC poll, Kerry won the debate 45 to 36. However,

Bush support went up from 50 to 51 after the debate and he still

leads Kerry by 4 percentage points.

 

It is probably true that Kerry walked out of this debate with a

narrow advantage. But the electoral impact of the debate is

debatable. However, your earlier characterization that

Kerry "destroyed" Bush is entirely inaccurate.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Hello Narasimha:

 

I've already conceded in a note to Chandrashekharji that I was

INCORRECT in thinking that your motives behind making

prediction was gaining some Jyotisha glory based on predicting

something that was already a "sure-thing."

 

I apologize if my words offended you or caused you any grievance. My

thoughts regarding your "intent" behind your prediction were

INCORRECT.

 

Mukund

 

vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> Dear Mukund,

>

> > But, the bigger issue is challenge--what's the use of a Jyotisha

> > predicting an election when the outcome is certain. Bush is going

> to

> > win, everyone know this so why attempt to claim Jyotish glory by

> > predicting what is already a known probabilistic outcome.

>

> Anybody who says that the result of this election is a foregone

> conclusion does not have his facts right. This contest is in a dead

> heat. Based on most opinion polls, the margin between the two

> candidates is within the margin of error. I repeat, there is

> no "known probabilistic outcome" of this election, as of today.

Both

> stand a nearly 50-50 chance as of today.

>

> Secondly, even the result of the debate was not a foregone

> conclusion. It was not at all clear before the debate how it would

> go. Given that Kerry raised the pitch in his criticism of Iraq war

in

> the last 2 weeks and started to sound clear, coherent and strong,

> both were expected to do well in the debate.

>

> If you say that Bush was expected to win the debate and hence I

> predicted so, it is your view and not based on facts. First of all,

> there was no favorite in this debate. Secondly, I did not predict a

> Bush victory. I predicted an even contest with Bush having

a "little"

> advantage. Thirdly, it was based on astrological analysis which I

> shared with you. It is unfair and hasty to accuse me of other

> motivations.

>

> As for the debate itself, political pundits are still debating on

who

> won the debate. However, the consensus seems to be that Kerry won

> narrowly. So I may not have been correct. However, we do have to

> realize that winning the debate can be different from gaining from

> the debate.

>

> According to the respected USA Today-Gallup opinion poll, 53%

people

> thought Kerry did a better job in the debate and 37% people thought

> Bush did a better job. That shows Kerry did better. However, for

> being "more believable" in the debate, Bush beat Kerry 50 to 45.

For

> being more likeable, Bush beat Kerry 48 to 41. For demonstrating

that

> he is tough enough for the job, Bush beat Kerry 54-37.

>

> Though 53% people said that Kerry debated better, the final impact

of

> the debate on the vote will be decided by other factors too

(examples

> of which I mentioned above). It is not just a debate competition.

It

> is an opportunity to connect with the voters. It is probably for

this

> reason that the support for Bush and Kerry is virtually unchanged

> after this debate as per the Gallup poll and Bush still leads. The

> percentage of people who thought Bush would handle the Iraq

situation

> better did not change from 54%.

>

> According to the ABC poll, Kerry won the debate 45 to 36. However,

> Bush support went up from 50 to 51 after the debate and he still

> leads Kerry by 4 percentage points.

>

> It is probably true that Kerry walked out of this debate with a

> narrow advantage. But the electoral impact of the debate is

> debatable. However, your earlier characterization that

> Kerry "destroyed" Bush is entirely inaccurate.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha