Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Hello Ash, Correction. Self's grand father was a great personality honoured by all shankaracharyas and governments . But his father did not even know any stotra except sandhya vandanam and he never new astrology. He was a simple minded trader all his life. Rgds Tatvam-Asi Grandfather 15th December 1892 1.22 PM Rajkot (Near) India Lived till age 95 vedic astrology, Ash <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > The fact still remains. The BAV scheme given by Parasara is different from Varharamira. This is one point and this is factual. One of them is corrupt. I am saying the scheme Parasara has given has become corrupt over time. The scheme Varharmira has given has been preserved in time. The two schemes cannot be different. > > I am not clear to which point you are alluding when you say that my information about Parasara and Varharmira is not factual. The BAV scheme given by Parasara is different from Varharamira. This was visible in Ramesh's chart when you said using parasarsa BAV scheme when 7th bhava got 19 bindus and using Varharmiras BAV scheme it comes to 20. I am not going into other books. The point that I am emphasising is that BAV scheme given by Parasara or Varharmira or any other maharishi cannot be different. > > Ashtakvarga has been commented on by many maharishis as you have given but the system of timing of events using Ashtakavarga is not given which I beleive was a part of Vedic Astrology was saved with some families and not known to the world. > > About the part with which the discussion started is what I agree with you. There is a part of what Noname is also saying that I agree with however I beleive that Guru spoils the house its placed in due to its aspect on primary significator houses. By saying Spoilt I mean it will not give the result in his antra. Also Guru is generally with more than 5 bindus. Rarely its with < 4 bindus. The more powerful Guru is the more damage it will do by its aspect. For Libra lagna and Cancer lagna Guru is 6th lord and will be very malefic. > > In the chart given by No Names grand father also he commented that his grand father has Guru in lagna who is powerful and he took sansaya after early widohood. Again here a powerful guru is showing its malefic aspect on 7th house. Again guru in lagna made no names father a famous and person as he was known for his knowledge on samaveda. Noname has not commented on the effect it had on 9th and 5th house but if his guru is very powerful. I am also not aware what the lagna is but this can be the sign of a powerful guru in lagna. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Ash, > It is good that you at least agree that "GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS 5TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND ITS A PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT GIVE RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN GENERALLY." > This is the point from which the original discussions started. > > For your information much detailed interpretation of events (Beyond what is explained in BPHS,a although based on the principles therein) by Ashtakavarga is available in Phaladeepika, Jataka Parijata, Jatakadesh Marg and umpteen other astrological texts. So your information about only Parashara and Varaha Mihira is not factual. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > > Ash wrote: > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > My answers in CAPS. > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > Ashtakavarga system is based on Bindus allotted to particular houses for each of the planet with respect to its position from the planet whose Ashtakavarga is being drawn. > > ASH : YES AGREED. > > > The system you are using is based on considering the strengths of planets and the Bhavas too. This is the system generally referred as Parashari or more precisely Hora system which also encompasses the Ashtakavarga system. > > ASH : ASHTAKVARGA IS A PART AND PARCLE OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY AND THAT IS WHAT I HAVE ALSO SAID. I HAVE SAID THAT THE SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS IS NOT GIVEN IN TEXTS AVAILABLE TODAY. REST CLARIFICAITON BELOW. > > Ashtakavarga is primarily used to find out effects from Transit of planets and longevity as made clear in conversation between Maitreya and sage Parashara in BPHS. Ashtakavarga system is clearly defined in that text. > > ASH : THIS IS WHAT THE MISCONCEPTION IS. BASED ON THE TEXTS AVAILABLE TODAY. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT ASHTAKVARG IS USED ONLY FOR FINDING OUT TRANSIT. IS THAT WHY PARASARA HAS SAID THAT TO USE ASHTAKAVARGA FOR INTELLECUTAL PYGMIES OF KALIYUGA ? I DO NOT THINK SO SIR. THE SYSTEM OF ASHTAKVARGA IS VERY DETAILED AND KAS AND VERSES OF ASHTAKAVARGA HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH ARE NOT FOUND IN ANY BOOK TODAY. IF YOU CLAIM THAT BHPS IS COMPLETE AND THAT ALL THAT IS AVAILABLE ABOUT ASHTAKVARGA IS FOUND AND CODED AND THERE IS NO CORRUPTION THEN I WILL NOT INDULGE YOU ANY FURTHER. > > No doubt the system can be adopted to various other predictions, as it indicates influences on various bhavas. Its various uses have been well documented in numerous texts besides BPHS and the very short description of Varahamihira. The assumption that its use is not mentioned for different uses in any other text but the two you mentioned is not factually correct. > > ASH : THE SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS USING ASHTAKVARGA IS NOT GIVEN CLEARLY IS IN ANY TEXTS. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING. > > Krushna has developed different parameters and as long as the system delivers results there should be no issue with that. > > ASH : HERE I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT KRUSHNAJI HAS NOT DEVELOPED DIFFERENT PARAMETERS AND THIS SYSTEM. HE HAD BROUGHT IT FORWARD. THIS SYSTEM WAS KEPT IN FAMILY OF HIS GURU AND THAT WAS TRANSMITTED FROM FATHER TO SON. KRUSHNAJI WANTED THIS SYSTEM TO REMAIN IN THIS WORLD. THIS SYSTEM MUST HAVE BEEN IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE FOR CENTURIES. IF ONE UNDERSTANDS THIS SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS MAYBE WHAT AND WHY I AM INDULDING YOU IN THIS THREAD WILL BECOME CLEAR. > > It is easy to say that Parashara and Varahamihira's texts are corrupted, and they could be. But that does not prove that the bindus used are wrong especially as most of other parameters that you mention are drawn from these very texts. > > ASH : THE SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING ASHTAKAVARGA IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM VEDIC ASTROLOGY. INFACT VEDIC ASTROLOGY IS MADE CLEAR WITH THE PROPER USE OF ASHTAKAVARGA AND KAS. I DO NOT THINK PARASARA LIGHTLY MENTIONED THE USE OF ASHTAKAVARGA FOR US PEOPLE IN KALI YUGA. A LOT OF ASHTAKVARGA AND SANSKRIT SHLOKAS HAVE BEEN LOST. THIS IS WHAT I AM SAYING OR KEPT WITH FAMILES TILL SOMEONE LIKE KRUSHNAJI COMES ALONG AND BRINGS SUCH TECHNIQUES FORWARD. ITS A BIG CREDIT TO KRUSHNAJI FOR BRINGING FORWARD THIS SYSTEM WITH HAS MADE TIMING OF EVENTS SO EASY. > > It is well known that Varaha Mihira was influenced by Greek astrologers and has adopted some of their methods, so the bindus that he attributes could also have come from them. > > ASH : ONE THING. BAV IS BAV AND BASIC SCHEME SHOUL.D BE SAME. ONLY IN BAV OF MOON AND VENUS THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. PARASARA AND VARHARMIRA CANNOT HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. EITHER PARASARA'S SCHEME IS CORRUPT OR VARHARMIRAS'S. AT THE END OF THE DAY BOTH MUST MATCH. SO ITS INFACT QUITE EASY TO SAY THAT EITHER PARSARAS OR VARHARMIRAS BAV IS CORRPUT. I AM CONFIDENT THAT VARHRMAIRAS HAS REMAINED IN TACT OVER THE CENTURIES AND PARASARAS BAV SCHME IS CORRPUT. IN ANY CASE I WILL GO BY WHAT KRUSHNAJI HAS TAUGHT ME AS THIS SYSTEM WAS KEPT IN HIS GURUS FAMILY AND HE HAS USED THAT FOR DECADES WITH CORRECT PREDICTIONS. SO ITS TIME TESTED BY HIS GURUS LINEAGE. I AM IN NO POSITION TO MAKE ANY JUDGEMENT BUT CAN SAY THAT I AM USNIG VARHARMIRAS SCHEME. > > Since you give equal importance to Navamsha and Rasi whereas I go by the old time system of planetary strength being derived from Navamsha, it might not be possible for you to follow my meaning and reasons behind attributing more strength to Saturn over Jupiter. > > ASH : I AM FINDING STRENGTH USING ASHTAKVARGA BUT FOR EACH PLANET AND FOR EACH HOUSE. YOU ARE ALSO TRYING TO FIND THE STRENGH BUT I AM NOT CLEAR WHEN YOU SAY SHANI IS STRONGER THAN GURU BUT FOR WHAT ? IS IT FOR EVENT OR ALL 12 HOUSES ? JUST SAYING STRONGER IS VERY GENERAL. IF I WERE TO ASK YOU IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH HOUSE OR 10TH HOUSE. THIS IS HOW I AM SEETNG THINGS. AS PER THE WORKSHEET STRENGTH GURU IS FAR BETTER FOR 10TH HOUSE AS COMPARED TO SHANI HOWEVER SHANI IS FAR STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS. > > The question of strength of the two planets was raised by Lakshmi and I was responding to that. I so far as influence over all 12 Rasis comment is concerned, Vedic astrology does think that planets have influence over all Bhavas and other planets and the way the results would manifest depend on their mutual relation. > > ASH : EXACTLY. HERE IN LIES THE ESSENCE OF WHAT I WAS SAYING OR TRYING TO SAY FOR SO LONG. THE BEAUTY OF IS THAT SAV ALREADY TAKES CARE OF MUTUAL RELATIONS SO IT BECOMES IMPERATIVE THAT BAV IS ACCURATE AS SAV AS U KNOW IS DERIVED FROM BAV. THAT WAS MY COMMENT ON COMPOUNDING OF ERRORS. THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU SAY THAT SHANI IS STRONGER THAN GURU CONFUSES ME BECAUSE YES FOR 4TH HOUSE SHANI IS STRONGER THAN GURU BUT NOT FOR 10TH HOUSE. HERE I AM BEING VERY SPECIFIC. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOUR COMMENT ON SHANI BEING STRONGER THAN GURU WAS CONSIDERING ALL 12 HOUSES AND THE MUTUAL PLACMENT FOR ALL PLANETS WITH RESPECT TO EACH OTHER ? IF SO THEN I AM VERY SURE THAT YOU WILL COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION USING WHATEVER WAY YOU USE TO FIND THE STRENGH OF SHANI AND GURU I.E NAVAMSA, D CHARTS OR YOGAS ETC WITH WHAT I HAVE SHOWN IN THE WORKSHEET. THEN IF YOU COMPARE SHANI AND GURU FOR EACH HOUSE WE WILL HAVE A MORE STRONGER BASIS FOR COMPARISION. BUT STILL JUST USING THE WORD STRONGER I AM > NOT CLEAR OR AM NOT FOLLOWING. THE QUETSIONS THAT COMES TO MY MIND .. STRONGER FOR WHAT OR WHICH HOUSE OR WHICH EVENT ? > > About not considering Navamsha strength, I am not able to follow what you are saying. On the one hand you say that these being equal you do not consider Navamsha in worksheet and that you only use Navamsha to find samdharmi and on the other hand you say that my contention is not correct. > > > ASH : RASI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL STATUS AS PER THE TEACHINGS OF KAS. NAVAMSA IS DERIVED FROM RASI. FOR THE STRENGH AND WORKSHEET ONLY RASI IS NEEDED. IF IN CASE OF DOUBT YOU CAN GO INTO D-CHARTS AND FIND OUT FROM THAT. I HAVE DEMONTRATED WITH AN EXAMPLE OF RAMESH'S MARRIAGE. I WOULD HOPE THAT LAKSHMI WOULD COMMENT ON THIS PART. I HAVE NOT SAID THAT YOU ARE NOT CORRECT. YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND THE STRENGTH ALSO FROM NAVAMSA. AS PER KAS I FIND THE STRENGTH FROM WORKSHEET WHICH IS FROM RASHI. FOR D-CHARTS I CAST WORKSHEET BUT ONLY PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE. WE DO NOT CONSIDER ASPECTS PART. SO ONLY TOP PORTION OF WORKSHEET IS USED. WE BOTH ARE FINDING STRENGTH AND I AM USING AV FROM RASI AND YOU ARE PROBABLY USING RASI/NAVAMSA/D CHARTS ETC AND SIGN PLACEMENT TO FIND OUT THE STRENGTH. > > Again you are talking about timing of events and the original thread is about Guru's capacity to harm the house occupied by it. > > ASH : FOR ME THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF QUESTION. AS PER KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM PLANETS THAT ASPECT PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES I.E. 8TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS, 5TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND HOUSE UNDER FOCUS FOR EXAMPLE FOR READERS IF YOU ARE TIMING MARRIAGE THEN 2ND, 7TH AND 11TH AND IF ANY PLANET HAS ASPECT ON THESE HOUSES THEN THEY WILL NOT GIVE RESULT IN THEIR ANTRA BUT THEIR SAMDHARMI WILL GIVE RESULT AND THE EXCEPTION IS THAT IF THE PLANET IS LORD OF 10TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS OR 6TH THEN IT WILL GIVE. > > GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS 5TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND ITS A PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT GIVE RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN GENERALLY. ONLY EXCEPTION IS THAT IF GURU IS IN PISCES SO SUCH A GURU WILL GIVE THE RESULT OF TIMING OF EVENT. SIMILARLY FOR MARS. I THINK ALSO SOMETHING SIMILAR IS SAID FOR MARS AS PER VEDIC TEXTS. MARS ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND 8TH HOUSE SO AS PER VEDIC TEXTS ITS ALSO SAID THAT MARS SPOILS THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. FOR SHANI IT DOES NOT ASPECT ANY OF THE SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES WHEREEVER ITS PLACED SO ITS NOT SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE AND WILL DELIVER THE RESULT IF IT HAS POWER AS PER WORKSHEET. SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN NOTED IN TEXTS AS JU SPOILS THE HOUSE IT IS PLACED IN AND SHANI DOES NOT. MARS ALSO CAN BE SAID TO SPOIL THE HOUSE IT IS IN HOWEVER THE EXCEPTIONS FOR ALL IS IF THE SAME PLANET ALSO RULES 10TH AND 6TH FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN IT WILL GIVE THE RESULT. THIS CAN BE CHECKED AND I AM SURE IT WILL > VALIDATE WITH YOUR EXCEPTIONS. > > SO I AM NOT TAKING PART IN THE DISCUSSION AS FOR ME PERSONALLY THERE IS NOTHING TO DISCUSS. THE BASICS OF SUCH THINGS ARE CRYSTAL CLEAR AND CONSIDERED BY THE RULES OF KRUSHNAS ASHTAVARGA SYSTEM. I AM VERY GLAD HOWEVER TO SEE THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP THIS TOPIC. > > ANOTHER THING, GURU IS A HYOCRATIC PLANET. WHENEVER ONE TRIES TO POTRAY GURU AS BAD THERE WILL BE RESISTANCE. THIS IS THE POWER OF GURU. I AM SITTING BACK AND READING WITH INTEREST AND SEEING THE MAYA GURU CREATES. FUNNY ITS EASIER TO BLAME SHANI FOR THINGS AND POTRAY IT AS BAD BUT INFACT ITS SHANI WHO IS THE PLANET OF TRUTH. > > SUCH THIGNS ARE HARD FOR PEOPLE TO DIGEST AND YOU ARE GETTING SO MUCH OF EXPLAINING TO DO. THIS ITSELF PROVES MY POINT AND YOUR POINT ALSO. > > Anyway let us await Lakshmi's comment about your observation on Mercury Antar, though this is not part of the original discussions. > > ASH : YES, IT WILL BE NICE IF LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON THE MARRIAGE OF RAMESH IF IT HAPPENED IN MERCURY ANTRA AS PER KAY. IF THE DATE IS GIVEN IT WILL BE BETTER. THIS WILL PROVE THE POWER OF THE PLANET AS PER WORKSHEET TO DELIVER THE RESULTS AFTER FINDING OUT THE DELAY FROM RASHI AND NAVAMSA AS BOTH HAVE SIMILAR STATUS AS PER KAS. > > > > THANK YOU FOR THIS DICUSSION, > > CHEERS !!! > > ASH > > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Ash wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > My answers in CAPS below. > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > I forgot that you are using Krushna's Ashtakavarga system. In that case you must be using Krushna's Ayanamsha. The system you are using is a combination of Ashtakavarga and traditional Graha Bhava Bala system. > > ASH : THE SYSTEM I USE IS KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARG AND ITS PART OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY. I DONT KNOW WHAT U MEAN BY GRAHA BHAVA BALA SYSTEM. IN SHORT WE CAN COMPUTE THE STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE AND ALSO FOR ALL 16 D CHARTS. SO ITS VEDIC ASTROLOGY ONLY AND NOT DIFFERENT. AS PER KAS WE DO NOT TALK IN GENERAL TERMS AS SHANI IS STRONG OR WEAK BUT WE CAN GO INTO DETAILS AS PER POINTS AND FIND OUT HOW A PLANET WILL ACT FOR EACH HOUSE. IN MOST CASES PLANETS DO NOT ACT BAD FOR ALL HOUSES. IN SHANI ANTRA AS PER RAMESH'S CHART IT WILL BE GOOD FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AS COMPARED TO GURU'S ANTRA FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AT THE SAME TIME FOR 10TH HOUSE MATTESR GURU WILL BE MUCH STRONGER THAN SHANI AS YOU CAN SEE AS PER POINTS. ABOUT NAVAMSA I SHALL COMMENT BELOW. > > > > There is no harm in using it as long as results come true. However it is not a different Ashtakavarga system per se. > > ASH : ASHTAKVARG IS ASHTAKVARG AND HOW TO USE IT IS NOT GIVEN CLEARLY IN ANY TEXTS. PEOPLE ARE UNDER THE IMPRESSION BASED ON CURRENT TEXTS THAT ITS USED TO TIME DEATH OR ITS USE IS LIMITED TO TRANSITS WHICH IS NOT CORRECT. THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHAT I TRY TO SAY AND EXPLAIN WHEN PEOPLE COMMENT ON ASHTAKVARGA AND ITS USED ONLY IN TRANSITS. THE WHOLE SYSTEM IN WHICH ITS USED TO TIME EVENTS IS NOT WRITTEN IN ANY BOOK OR CLASSICS DESPITE MANY MAHARISHIS LIKE PARASARA, VARHARAMIRA ETC HAVE ALL MENTIONED ASHTAKVARGA IN THEIR TEXTS. > > I was talking about a different Ashtakavarga system that you had suggested exists. > > ASH : I HAVE NOT SUGGESTED ANYTHING OF THAT KIND. KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM IS A SYSTEM IN WHICH WE USE ASHTAKVARGA TO FIND THE STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH HOUSE. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY SYSTEM OUT THERE THAT DOES THAT. RESULTS CAN BE SEEN AT A GLANCE. FOR EXAMPLE RAMESHS MARRIAGE MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED DURING MERCURY ANTRA. MERCURY HAS THE HIGHEST STRENGTH IN THE CHART FOR 7TH HOUSE. AND IS LOD OR 10TH LORD FROM 7TH HOUSE. MAHADAHSA CAN BE THAT OF SHANI. SHANI IS SAMDHARMI TO NAKTURAL KARAK VENUS OF MARRIAGE. SO SHANI MD/ MERCURY AD CAN GIVE MARRIAGE. THERE ARE 2 ZEROES IN BAV ONE DUE TO VENUS AND OTHER DUE TO MARS AND MERCURY SO RESULT WILL BE IN LAST SECTOR OF MERCURY ANTRA. MERCURY ANTRA RUNS IN SHANI MD RUNS FROM 1983/11 THRU 1986/JULY. 3RD SECTOR STARTS 1985/07 THRU 1986/07. I AM NOT GOING FURTHER. IF THIS IS IN THE BALL PARK ITS GOOD AND ONE CAN NARROW IT DOWN FURTHER WITH SUNS TRANSIT OVER STRONG SIGNIFICATORS FOR 7TH HOUSE AS PER THE WORKSHEET POINTS. > MAYBE LAKSHMI CAN VERIFY WHEN HER MARRIAGE TOOK PLACE WITH RAMESH. > > Varahamihira does have a slightly different bindu placement no doubt yet it is only different by way of allowing Lagna to have one more bindu of influence for some planet's Ashtakavarga. So it might not mean that other planet is getting a bindu less. > > ASH : THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT SCHEME THAT IS IN TEXTS TODAY AVAILABLE GIVEN AS PER PARASARA AND WHATS GIVEN OR PRESERVED FROM VARHARAMIRA. BOTH ARE GREAT SAGES AND THEIR BAV SCHEMES MUST BE SAME. PARASARAS HAS BEEN CORRPUT OVER TIME. THE DIFFERENCES IN IN BAV FOR MOONS PLACMENT FROM MOON AND GURU AND VENUS FROM MARS. THIS HAS VERY DEEP MEANING AND SAYING FOR EXAMPLE IF VENUS GETS POWER IF IN 4TH FROM MARS AND IF VENUS IS NOT GETTING POWER OR A BINDU IF IN 4TH FROM MARS HAS A BIG DIFFERENCE. THERE ARE ONLY 337 POINTS AND IT WOULD MEAN THAT IF AS IN THE CASE OF RAMESHES CHART IF HIS 7TH BHAVA GETS 19TH IT MEANS THAT THAT 1 BINDU OF FROM THE POOL OF 337 HAS GONE TO SOME OTHER HOUSE. IF A PLANET IS IN THAT HOUSE IT MAY GET 1 BINDU MORE STRENGTH AND IT MAY CHANGE THE ENTIRE CHART. IF THAT PLANET IS IN 4TH FROM A MALEFIC PLANET (BY MALEFIC I MEAN A PLANET WITH < 4 BINDUS EXCEPT MOON) AND IF THAT PLANET WERE TO GET STRNGTH THEN THAT PLANET WOULD BECOME VERY STRONG FOR > ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT WOULD CHANGE THE ENTIRE COMPLEXION OF THE CHART. WITH ASKTAVARG WE ARE VERY PARTICULAR AND THIS IS NOT A TRIVIAL MATTER. 1 BINDUS CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. > > I said 19 Bindus as the chart sent by Dear Lakshmi was in that format. Varahamihira has exactly 8 shlokas on Ashtakavarga and his is not a different system. He only has a different opinion about which places are influenced by Lagna in case of some of the planets. Parashara has, on the other hand, exhaustively dealt with Ashtakavarga. > > ASH : THIS IS NOT TRUE. BAV SCHEMES HAVE TO MATCH. I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BY SYSTEMS. THE CORE AND BASIC OF ASHTAKVARG SYSTEM IS THE BAV POINTS. IF PARASARA IS SAYING THAT MOON IS NOT GIVING STRENGTH TO 9TH BHAVA WHEAREAS VARHARAMIRA IS SAYING IT DOES. THIS IS HUGE DIFFERECE OUT HERE. SIMILARLY MOON IS BENEFIC IN 2ND FROM GURU AND VARHARAMIRA IS SAYING THAT 1 BINDUS STRENGTH IS NOT GIVEN. THIS IS THE BASIC. YOU JUST CANNOT SAY THAT THE DIFFERENCE OF OPINION IS "ONLY". THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. IMAGINE A SYSTEM THAT IS USED ACCURATELY FOR TIMING OF EVENTS THE SAV VALUES FROM WHICH THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANEST AND FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE IS COMPUTED AND ITS BASED ON SAV AND SAV IS BASED ON BAV. IN THE LEAST WHAT YOU ARE SAYING MIGHT SURMOUNT TO COMPOUNDING OF ERROR. ACTUALLY IF YOU STUDY HOW ONE COMES TO THE POINTS THAT I HAVE DISPLAYED IN MY PREVIOUS MAILS YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHY I AM SO PICKY WITH THIS DISTRIBUTION OF BAV AND STICKING TO > VARHARAMIRA. IF WE DIFFER ON THIS VIEW WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE. > > I have already given the reason I think Saturn is stronger than Guru in reply to Lakshmi. > > ASH : YES, I DID READ YOUR INTERSTING COMMENT BUT I WAS NOT CLEAR ON WHAT YOU MEANT BY STRONGER. STRONGER FOR WHAT EVENTS ? DID U MEAN STRONGER FOR DELIVERING RESULTS OR ALL 12 HOUSES. CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC. WHEN I GAVE THE POINTS I AM BEING VERY SPECIFIC AND COMPARING GURU WITH SHANI FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. I AM BEING SPECIFIC IN SAYING THAT IN GURU ANTRA RAMESH WILL HAVE MORE AUTHORITY AS COMPARED TO SHANI. GURU IS IN UPCAHYA FROM 10TH HOUSE AND WITH 5 BINDUS. SO ITS VERY EAGER TO GIVE 2ND AND 10TH HOUSE MATTERS. SHANI IS EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS FOR 12TH, 4TH, 11TH, AND 3RD HOUSE IN ITS ANTRA. CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC. I DO NOT THINK SHANI IS BAD FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE AND NEITHER IS GURU IN HIS ANTRA. AGAIN I AM RESTRICTING THE RESULTS TO THE ANTRA. I THINK IF U ARE MORE SPECIFIC THEN WE MIGHT BE SAYING THE SAME THING BUT FROM A DIFFERENT VIEW POINT. > > The reason it is not reflected in the table given by you is,as you have indicated Navamsha strength of planets is not considered in the system you are using. > > ASH : THIS IS INCORRECT. THE STRENGTH IS DERIVED FROM RASHI AND THE WORKSHEET POINTS ARE FROM RASHI ONLY. NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS AS COMPARED TO RASHI. WE USE NAVAMSA FOR FINDING OUT THE SAMDHARMIS AND ALSO DELAY. ALL COMBINATIONS HAVE TO BE CHECKED FROM BOTH RASI AND NAVAMSA. BUT FOR FINDING OUT THE STRENGH OF PLANET ITS DONE FROM RASI. A WORKSHEET FOR EACH DIVISIONAL CHART IS ALSO CASTED. > > Using Krushna's Ayanamsha the Navamsha placement of planets could also change. If you apply the strength from Navamsha as given in the chart provided by Lakshmi, you will see my view point. > > ASH : IT WILL NOT CHANGE THINGS. I CHECKED AFTER READING THIS COMMENT. IN BOTH CASES USING KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA AND LAHIRI SHANI REMAINS IN LIBRA IN NAVAMSA SO ITS SAMDHARMI TO VENUS. IT WILL REPLACE VENUS FOR THE HOUSE THAT VENUS IS UNABLE TO DELIVER RESULTS. THE POSITION OF MARS CHANGES IN LAGNA THOUGH. MAYBE IF U SEE THINGS WITH MARS BEING IN 12TH INSTEAD OF 11TH YOU MAY SEE MY VIEW POINT. AGAIN I AM EMPHASISING ON THE FACT THAT STRENGTH OR THE WORKSHEET THAT I GAVE IS COMPUTED FROM RASHI ONLY AND SAMDHARMIS IS COMPUTED FROM RASHI AND NAVAMSA. RASHI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL STATUS AS PER KAS AND WE FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES FOR FINDING DELAY. I HAVE DEMONSTRATED IN THIS MAIL REGARDING MARRIAGE OF RAMESH WITH LAKSHMI. FOR THAT I HAVE COMPUTED DELAY FOR MARRIAGE USING 2 ZEROES, AND SHANI ASPECTING PRIMIARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES FROM RASHI AND THEIR LORDS IN NAVAMSA AND USING WORKSHEET STRENGTH I HAVE COMPUTED THE TIME FRAME. IT WILL BE INTERSTING IF LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON THE SAME. > THERE IS A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE IN THE WORKSHEET. SOME HOW IN HASTE MY AYANAMSA CHANGE BUT IT WILL NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR MARRAIGE. HERE IS THE CORRECTED VERSION OF THE WORKSHEET. MERCURY STILL HAS 18 POINTS FOR 7TH HOUSE AND MOSTLY ALL HOUSES. > > HseSAV PtSuMoMaMeJuVeSa125172012201171022391614222214123311615121141474261117 7237102353212239191622156321816182158117201014918111810819221292541710 92881214752131034171371621164113816151521415191229101411981415 > > > > THANKING YOU, > > CHEERS !!! > > ASH > > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Ash wrote: > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi, > There is a difference between a house getting 20 bindus and a house getting 19 bindus as you are aware. I agree both are weak with 20 bindus being a stronger than 19 bindus. At the same token if a bhave gets 1 bindu more it means one other house is getting 1 bindu less. > It also means that some planet has made a favourable yog w.r.t one house and not with another. Is it not ? > I use Krushnas Ashtakvarga system as you are also aware. > In that SAV is the base from that we derive the strength of each planet for each and every house and also for each and every 16 divisional chart. When casting the worksheet the aspects are not considered in the D charts only the basis strength. > The BAV values given by Parasara in my opinion have become corrupt. The BAV distribution scheme by Varharamira is correct. The settings are also given in JHL software where you tick off the check boxes in the lite version. If you use the option of Varharamira you will get 20 bindus for 7th house. It would be good to understand if you have intentionally used Parasara's scheme of BAV or generally use Varharmiras scheme ? > To come to the final stength of each and every planet for each house . > > Here is the final strength of planet for Ramesh's chart. > > These are total strength of the planets and derived by considering the following. > > 1) 4:10 > 2) Addition of 5 points for LoD and LoE or 10th lord and 6th lord from house under consideration > 3) Planets in 10th and 6th hosue from house under consideration with > 4 bindus. > 4) Planets aspecting primary significator house i.e Karak, phal and phalit sthans. > 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspects on karak, phal and phalit sthan > 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspect on planets > 6) Adjustment of 12th from house under focus > 7) Adjustment of 6th lord. > > After meticulously considering all these factors we come to strength of each planet for each and every house. Like that we also compute strength for all d charts but in that we only conider the strength for karak, phal and phalit sthan for each and every house. > > You have said that Shani is stronger than Guru. Here you can see both Shani and Guru at a glace on how they will deliver their results in their respective antar dasha. > > I do hear ya regarding the system not being different from parasara. Actually parasara did give the BAV scheme but it has become corrupt over time. > > Here Jupiter is in 10th from 10th house so its foritifying 10th house and also Guru is with 5 bindus in 7th house and in multrikon so its very eager to give results for 10th house. > > If you see the worksheet you can see Ju is having 22 points for 10th house and Shani has 7 points for 10th house. There is a big difference in authority that Ramesh would have been bestowed in the antras of Guru and Shani. > At the same time if you see expenses v/s income in Guru and shani and compare the 11th v/s 12th points you can see more expenses in shani compared to Guru antra. > > > HouseSignsSAVSuMoMaMeJuVeSa1Gemini2316191320177162Cancer24101520232314 163Leo309219191111134Virgo26722924144235Libra338235202216196Scorpio321 6202124139177Sagittarius20719525171288Capricorn211519924912129Aquarius 2971713111422910Pisces291310- 217229711Aries401121102614101912Taurus305211019121020 > > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Ash, > Even with 20 points the Bhava lacks strength, is it not? Saturn there however extends protection. By the way I am not aware of any Ashtakavarga system which gives differential value of Bindus/Rekhas based on Lagna of a native or placement of a planet in a Rasi, aspects received by it and association with other planets. May I know to which system you are referring to and the weightage for these factors given in that system by increasing or reducing the Bindus/Rekhas. > If you are talking about using other parameters in association with Ashtakavarga then of course that is a different matter and would not constitute different system than Parashara. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi > > Pardon me for my intervention. > > I would like to comment on Ashtakavarga. > > 1) It seems that you have used Parasaras scheme of BAV. With > Varharamiras scheme you get 20 points in Ramesh's 7th house. > > 2) For nodes are we know are not planets. They are used indirectly. > They are samdharmi to sign lord and nakshatra lord. For natural > nature as you have said or quoted in numerious posts Rahu is like > Shani and Ketu like Mars. Functionally they will be more like the > planet i.e. either sign lord or nak lord as per the points they > receive in their BAV. For example, if Rahu is in Gemini and nak of > punarvasu then it will represent Me and Ju. If say Ge is 3rd house > and in 3rd house Ju gets 5 bindus and Me gets say 6 bindus then Rahu > will act more like Mercury. > > 3) With regards to your comment on Ashtakavarg not using sign > placement is not entirely correct. If used with a proper system the > sign placement can give idea on quantum of result and its not used to > find timing of result. For timing of result Ashtakvarg, SAV and > total strength of planets derived from SAV is good enough to time > results effectively. > > Maybe knowledge of Ashtakvarg that is available in texts today is not > complete and may lead to confusion. > > Ashtakvarg system used is an effective tool in timing of events. > > A couple of points on Ramesh's chart. > > 1) In Ramesh's chart there are 2 consecutive zeroes one given by > Venus to 7th and one by Mars to 8th. > > 2) Jupiter antra will be very eager to bestow authority to Ramesh and > also for acquisition of wealth. Between 1997/04 thru 1999/10 Ramesh > might have been given a role of responsibility. Also a good time to > make investments and accumulation of wealth. Lakshami can verify > this antra. > > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > wrote: > > Dear Lakshmi, > > I think in Ramesh's case Saturn is Lord of the 9th is it not? He > not > > only associates a Kendra Lord but is also is in kendra being a > trine > > lord. He is also Lord of Navamsha Lagna aspecting Lagna, besides > being > > placed in a trikona. Jupiter on the other hand is Lord of 2nd and > 11th > > in Navamsha and in 3rd house. I would certainly treat Saturn as > more > > powerful than Jupiter, even if in Lagna Jupiter appears to be with > > greater strength. But there too he is only a Kendra Lord in Kendra > > associating a trine lord. Since we are talking about 7th house > would it > > not be right to look at the Navamsha strengths of the planets, > before > > coming to conclusion about 7th house? If we look at Ashtaka Varga > then > > SAV would rather prove my view point as it shows 7th house with 19 > > points. Personally I give more weightage to Natal chart read with > > Navamsha. the reason is Ashtakavarga do not consider effects of > nodes , > > neither do they consider house ownership or Rasi occupation > > weightage.Your opinion would be appreciated. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekar ji, > > > > > > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in own house/moolatrikona. > Please > > > look at the ashtakavarga & bala of Saturn. Who is more empowered > to > > > protect the house, based on both strength and functionality, > Jupiter > > > or Saturn? I request you to ponder on this. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > If I may point out, in Javed's case Guru is in own house and > in > > > Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts Guru. The dictum is Sthana > rakshati > > > Mandah. Guru's exception to house damage occurs when he is in > own > > > house. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > > > > >> Om Gurave Namah > > >> > > >> Namaste Pradeep ji, > > >> > > >> I happen to know of individuals who have strong Guru in 4th > and > > >> 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has blessed the individual with > great > > >> knowledge, an intelligence that borders on genius and a rare > > >> inner harmony. That person, a devout Muslim, is one of the > finest > > >> individuals I have ever come across, and he is very attached > to > > >> his family and mother and there are no problems what so ever > on > > >> the home front. This individual is highly esteemed in his > work > > >> environment and has all the comforts one could desire. > Infact, > > >> Guru in 4th is supposed to cast sukhargala on lagna, which is > > >> good for the general health & happiness of the person. > > >> > > >> The individual with Jupiter & Saturn in 7th (Dhanus) is my > own > > >> dear husband. We have been very happily married for nearly 20 > > >> years. My husband has prospered remarkably after marriage. > > >> > > >> I am posting the charts here. > > >> > > >> I request that you also post the charts of the individuals to > > >> whom you were referring in your post, for our edification and > > >> discussion. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> Lakshmi > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> */vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep>/* wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > >> > > >> I have been trying to test the principles taught by you > > >> related to > > >> guru in various bhavas. > > >> > > >> When in 3rd always some difficulties for siblings.Even > when > > >> in own > > >> sign and in 4th,problems for mother and at home front. > > >> > > >> When in 7th at marriage front.When in Lagna and not in > own > > >> sign some > > >> physical weakness and health problems in childhood. > > >> > > >> Thus Guru tests the individual thouroughly. > > >> > > >> Also sages have advised that Guru is not favourable while > > >> transiting > > >> kendra houses 1,4,and 10th from moon.Only the 7th kendra > is > > >> beneficial.(Is there any reason for this?) Only > 2nd,5th,7th > > >> and 9th > > >> are favourable.11th being good for all planets in > general. > > >> > > >> Respect > > >> Pradeep > > >> > > >> vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > > >> <boxdel> > > >> wrote: > > >> > Dear Anuj, > > >> > I am glad you agree with me. As you rightly said in > your > > >> message > > >> to > > >> > Razdan,a the dictum is pretty well known to > astrologers. > > >> There are > > >> many > > >> > shlokas to that effects and charts prove the veracity > of the > > >> dictum, I > > >> > have myself posted a few of them earlier. > > >> > Unfortunately there is a tendency to mix up terms like > > >> Benefic/Malefic > > >> > with the results a planet is likely to give. This > happens more > > >> with > > >> > Jupiter as people usually tend to equate it with > Deeksha > > >> Guru as > > >> his > > >> > name in Sanskrit is Guru. People tend to forget > Parashara > > >> telling > > >> when > > >> > Guru can act as Maraka and want to attribute only good > and > > >> pious > > >> > attributes to him. I prefer to keep my personal > feelings and > > >> prejudices > > >> > apart from application of astrological principles. > > >> > Take care, > > >> > Chandrashekhar. > > >> > > > >> > nameisego wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > Respected Chandrashekhar ji. > > >> > > Please accpet my pranams as you are the senior most > Guru > > >> in age > > >> and > > >> > > experience in this group. > > >> > > Your observation about Guru is absolutely right. > > >> > > Self had posted in this group and elsewhere an > article on " > > >> > > "Guru Boon or Bane??" some time back where it was > shown > > >> Guru's > > >> > > position in various houses which had been > > >> destroyed/troubled by > > >> Guru. > > >> > > > > >> > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva > > >> > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau Shanih" > > >> > > This Dictum had been proved by self. > > >> > > > > >> > > You may (Mr.Razdan) go thro' older postings and read > for > > >> yourself and > > >> > > check the examples that were given. > > >> > > > > >> > > Difference between Jupiter and saturn is, Jupiter > sucks the > > >> goodness > > >> > > of a house and gives fruit to houses it aspects. > Saturn > > >> sucks the > > >> > > houses he aspects and increases the house it > occupies. > > >> > > > > >> > > Tatvam-Asi > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > vedic astrology, PNRazdan > > >> <pnrazdan> > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > >> > > > You seem to be extending your arguments against > Jupiter > > >> still > > >> > > further. > > >> > > > Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is > a > > >> designated as a > > >> > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle > of > > >> "Karka > > >> Bhavo > > >> > > Nasa" > > >> > > > . Now you say that it will harm every house it is > > >> placed in. > > >> Why > > >> > > this > > >> > > > animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing > in Vedic > > >> > > Astrology > > >> > > > (in lighter vein). > > >> > > > > > >> > > > You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not > > >> given by > > >> you. But > > >> > > > take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It > always > > >> speaks > > >> of > > >> > > the > > >> > > > benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even > > >> said, that > > >> > > howsoever > > >> > > > bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help > the > > >> subject. And > > >> > > > this has been amply proved by our experience. > > >> > > > I am afraid. you will have to do some more > hardwork for > > >> convincing > > >> > > all > > >> > > > about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly > Brahiman. This > > >> would > > >> > > even > > >> > > > mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology. > > >> > > > Pran Razdan > > >> > > > > > >> > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > >> > > > > Reference to Leo was in connection with what > > >> Shubhangi had > > >> asked. > > >> > > > > Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is a > dictum > > >> given > > >> by > > >> > > sages > > >> > > > > and > > >> > > > > there is no reason to try to find out the > reason. If one > > >> wants to > > >> > > > > find > > >> > > > > the reason about Leo, consider this in natural > zodiac > > >> Leo is > > >> in > > >> > > 5th > > >> > > > > house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to > Karaka Bhava > > >> Dasha. In > > >> > > > > 11th > > >> > > > > all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter > who is > > >> Shubha > > >> > > there. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Disha strength is one amongst many strengths > > >> considered but > > >> not > > >> > > as > > >> > > > > strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna. > > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Prafulla Gang wrote: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be > preferred in > > >> Leo for > > >> > > > > Muhurta, > > >> > > > > > I do not know much about muhurta related > > >> configurations),It may > > >> > > not > > >> > > > > > become weak in terms of Bala necessarily > (generally > > >> speaking). > > >> > > In > > >> > > > > > fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is > considered bad. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have > directional > > >> strength > > >> > > to > > >> > > > > > initiate for results. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > There must be more than this reason, for > jupiter to > > >> give > > >> > > negative > > >> > > > > > results. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > regards/Prafulla Gang > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology, > Chandrashekhar > > >> > > > > <boxdel> > > >> > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > Dear Shubhangi, > > >> > > > > > > Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter > looses his > > >> > > strength in > > >> > > > > > Leo > > >> > > > > > > and that is why there are no Muhurtas for > > >> marriages when > > >> > > Jupiter > > >> > > > > > > occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. > That > > >> is due > > >> to > > >> > > the > > >> > > > > > fact of > > >> > > > > > > Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun > > >> being in > > >> own > > >> > > Rasi > > >> > > > > > makes > > >> > > > > > > him Shubha and therefore good relations with > > >> Father. But > > >> I > > >> > > would > > >> > > > > > say he > > >> > > > > > > would not follow father's profession. > > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Shubhangi Naik wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Dear Sir, > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Sorry for intervening in your session, but > I am > > >> curious > > >> to > > >> > > know > > >> > > > > > the logic behind jupiter losing its strength > in leo > > >> and > > >> hence > > >> > > this > > >> > > > > > email. > > >> > > > > > > >Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's > case also. > > >> > > > > > > >My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no > > >> doubt he > > >> is very > > >> > > > > > intelligent but did not do much well in > academics > > >> and yes, > > >> he > > >> > > did > > >> > > > > > fail once in his 10th class. > > >> > > > > > > >With my half knowledge I thought the reason > to > > >> be the > > >> > > > > positioning > > >> > > > > > of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to > know > > >> why jup > > >> > > losses > > >> > > > > > strength in leo. > > >> > > > > > > >But though both planets are positioned in > 8th, both > > >> father > > >> > > and > > >> > > > > > son shares good relation with each other. > > >> > > > > > > >Thanks, > > >> > > > > > > >Shubhangi > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote : > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Dear Dhira, > > >> > > > > > > >>There you see the dictum working. Is it > not? > > >> > > > > > > >>Regards, > > >> > > > > > > >>Chandrashekhar. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >& > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Hello Noname, Thanks for the correction. It was a typo. A very nice chart. Chart has blessing of Guru/Father. Cheers !!! Ash vedic astrology, "nameisego" <nameisego> wrote: > > > Hello Ash, > Correction. > Self's grand father was a great personality honoured by all > shankaracharyas and governments . > But his father did not even know any stotra except sandhya vandanam > and he never new astrology. > He was a simple minded trader all his life. > Rgds > Tatvam-Asi > > Grandfather > 15th December 1892 > 1.22 PM > Rajkot (Near) > India > Lived till age 95 > > > > vedic astrology, Ash <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > The fact still remains. The BAV scheme given by Parasara is > different from Varharamira. This is one point and this is factual. > One of them is corrupt. I am saying the scheme Parasara has given > has become corrupt over time. The scheme Varharmira has given has > been preserved in time. The two schemes cannot be different. > > > > I am not clear to which point you are alluding when you say that my > information about Parasara and Varharmira is not factual. The BAV > scheme given by Parasara is different from Varharamira. This was > visible in Ramesh's chart when you said using parasarsa BAV scheme > when 7th bhava got 19 bindus and using Varharmiras BAV scheme it > comes to 20. I am not going into other books. The point that I am > emphasising is that BAV scheme given by Parasara or Varharmira or any > other maharishi cannot be different. > > > > Ashtakvarga has been commented on by many maharishis as you have > given but the system of timing of events using Ashtakavarga is not > given which I beleive was a part of Vedic Astrology was saved with > some families and not known to the world. > > > > About the part with which the discussion started is what I agree > with you. There is a part of what Noname is also saying that I agree > with however I beleive that Guru spoils the house its placed in due > to its aspect on primary significator houses. By saying Spoilt I > mean it will not give the result in his antra. Also Guru is > generally with more than 5 bindus. Rarely its with < 4 bindus. The > more powerful Guru is the more damage it will do by its aspect. For > Libra lagna and Cancer lagna Guru is 6th lord and will be very > malefic. > > > > In the chart given by No Names grand father also he commented that > his grand father has Guru in lagna who is powerful and he took > sansaya after early widohood. Again here a powerful guru is showing > its malefic aspect on 7th house. Again guru in lagna made no names > father a famous and person as he was known for his knowledge on > samaveda. Noname has not commented on the effect it had on 9th and > 5th house but if his guru is very powerful. I am also not aware what > the lagna is but this can be the sign of a powerful guru in lagna. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > It is good that you at least agree that "GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS 5TH > HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND ITS A PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR > HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT GIVE RESULT FOR THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN > GENERALLY." > > This is the point from which the original discussions started. > > > > For your information much detailed interpretation of events (Beyond > what is explained in BPHS,a although based on the principles therein) > by Ashtakavarga is available in Phaladeepika, Jataka Parijata, > Jatakadesh Marg and umpteen other astrological texts. So your > information about only Parashara and Varaha Mihira is not factual. > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Ash wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > My answers in CAPS. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > Ashtakavarga system is based on Bindus allotted to particular > houses for each of the planet with respect to its position from the > planet whose Ashtakavarga is being drawn. > > > > ASH : YES AGREED. > > > > > > The system you are using is based on considering the strengths of > planets and the Bhavas too. This is the system generally referred as > Parashari or more precisely Hora system which also encompasses the > Ashtakavarga system. > > > > ASH : ASHTAKVARGA IS A PART AND PARCLE OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY AND THAT > IS WHAT I HAVE ALSO SAID. I HAVE SAID THAT THE SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS > IS NOT GIVEN IN TEXTS AVAILABLE TODAY. REST CLARIFICAITON BELOW. > > > > Ashtakavarga is primarily used to find out effects from Transit of > planets and longevity as made clear in conversation between Maitreya > and sage Parashara in BPHS. Ashtakavarga system is clearly defined in > that text. > > > > ASH : THIS IS WHAT THE MISCONCEPTION IS. BASED ON THE TEXTS > AVAILABLE TODAY. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT ASHTAKVARG IS USED ONLY > FOR FINDING OUT TRANSIT. IS THAT WHY PARASARA HAS SAID THAT TO USE > ASHTAKAVARGA FOR INTELLECUTAL PYGMIES OF KALIYUGA ? I DO NOT THINK > SO SIR. THE SYSTEM OF ASHTAKVARGA IS VERY DETAILED AND KAS AND > VERSES OF ASHTAKAVARGA HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI WHICH > ARE NOT FOUND IN ANY BOOK TODAY. IF YOU CLAIM THAT BHPS IS COMPLETE > AND THAT ALL THAT IS AVAILABLE ABOUT ASHTAKVARGA IS FOUND AND CODED > AND THERE IS NO CORRUPTION THEN I WILL NOT INDULGE YOU ANY FURTHER. > > > > No doubt the system can be adopted to various other predictions, as > it indicates influences on various bhavas. Its various uses have been > well documented in numerous texts besides BPHS and the very short > description of Varahamihira. The assumption that its use is not > mentioned for different uses in any other text but the two you > mentioned is not factually correct. > > > > ASH : THE SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS USING ASHTAKVARGA IS NOT GIVEN > CLEARLY IS IN ANY TEXTS. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING. > > > > Krushna has developed different parameters and as long as the > system delivers results there should be no issue with that. > > > > ASH : HERE I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT KRUSHNAJI HAS NOT DEVELOPED > DIFFERENT PARAMETERS AND THIS SYSTEM. HE HAD BROUGHT IT FORWARD. > THIS SYSTEM WAS KEPT IN FAMILY OF HIS GURU AND THAT WAS TRANSMITTED > FROM FATHER TO SON. KRUSHNAJI WANTED THIS SYSTEM TO REMAIN IN THIS > WORLD. THIS SYSTEM MUST HAVE BEEN IN HIS GURUS LINEAGE FOR > CENTURIES. IF ONE UNDERSTANDS THIS SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS MAYBE WHAT > AND WHY I AM INDULDING YOU IN THIS THREAD WILL BECOME CLEAR. > > > > It is easy to say that Parashara and Varahamihira's texts are > corrupted, and they could be. But that does not prove that the bindus > used are wrong especially as most of other parameters that you > mention are drawn from these very texts. > > > > ASH : THE SYSTEM OF TIMING OF EVENTS USING ASHTAKAVARGA IS NOT > DIFFERENT FROM VEDIC ASTROLOGY. INFACT VEDIC ASTROLOGY IS MADE CLEAR > WITH THE PROPER USE OF ASHTAKAVARGA AND KAS. I DO NOT THINK PARASARA > LIGHTLY MENTIONED THE USE OF ASHTAKAVARGA FOR US PEOPLE IN KALI > YUGA. A LOT OF ASHTAKVARGA AND SANSKRIT SHLOKAS HAVE BEEN LOST. > THIS IS WHAT I AM SAYING OR KEPT WITH FAMILES TILL SOMEONE LIKE > KRUSHNAJI COMES ALONG AND BRINGS SUCH TECHNIQUES FORWARD. ITS A BIG > CREDIT TO KRUSHNAJI FOR BRINGING FORWARD THIS SYSTEM WITH HAS MADE > TIMING OF EVENTS SO EASY. > > > > It is well known that Varaha Mihira was influenced by Greek > astrologers and has adopted some of their methods, so the bindus that > he attributes could also have come from them. > > > > ASH : ONE THING. BAV IS BAV AND BASIC SCHEME SHOUL.D BE SAME. > ONLY IN BAV OF MOON AND VENUS THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. PARASARA AND > VARHARMIRA CANNOT HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. EITHER PARASARA'S SCHEME > IS CORRUPT OR VARHARMIRAS'S. AT THE END OF THE DAY BOTH MUST MATCH. > SO ITS INFACT QUITE EASY TO SAY THAT EITHER PARSARAS OR VARHARMIRAS > BAV IS CORRPUT. I AM CONFIDENT THAT VARHRMAIRAS HAS REMAINED IN TACT > OVER THE CENTURIES AND PARASARAS BAV SCHME IS CORRPUT. IN ANY CASE I > WILL GO BY WHAT KRUSHNAJI HAS TAUGHT ME AS THIS SYSTEM WAS KEPT IN > HIS GURUS FAMILY AND HE HAS USED THAT FOR DECADES WITH CORRECT > PREDICTIONS. SO ITS TIME TESTED BY HIS GURUS LINEAGE. I AM IN NO > POSITION TO MAKE ANY JUDGEMENT BUT CAN SAY THAT I AM USNIG > VARHARMIRAS SCHEME. > > > > Since you give equal importance to Navamsha and Rasi whereas I go > by the old time system of planetary strength being derived from > Navamsha, it might not be possible for you to follow my meaning and > reasons behind attributing more strength to Saturn over Jupiter. > > > > ASH : I AM FINDING STRENGTH USING ASHTAKVARGA BUT FOR EACH PLANET > AND FOR EACH HOUSE. YOU ARE ALSO TRYING TO FIND THE STRENGH BUT I AM > NOT CLEAR WHEN YOU SAY SHANI IS STRONGER THAN GURU BUT FOR WHAT ? IS > IT FOR EVENT OR ALL 12 HOUSES ? JUST SAYING STRONGER IS VERY > GENERAL. IF I WERE TO ASK YOU IS SHANI STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH > HOUSE OR 10TH HOUSE. THIS IS HOW I AM SEETNG THINGS. AS PER THE > WORKSHEET STRENGTH GURU IS FAR BETTER FOR 10TH HOUSE AS COMPARED TO > SHANI HOWEVER SHANI IS FAR STRONGER THAN GURU FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS. > > > > The question of strength of the two planets was raised by Lakshmi > and I was responding to that. I so far as influence over all 12 Rasis > comment is concerned, Vedic astrology does think that planets have > influence over all Bhavas and other planets and the way the results > would manifest depend on their mutual relation. > > > > ASH : EXACTLY. HERE IN LIES THE ESSENCE OF WHAT I WAS SAYING OR > TRYING TO SAY FOR SO LONG. THE BEAUTY OF IS THAT SAV ALREADY TAKES > CARE OF MUTUAL RELATIONS SO IT BECOMES IMPERATIVE THAT BAV IS > ACCURATE AS SAV AS U KNOW IS DERIVED FROM BAV. THAT WAS MY COMMENT > ON COMPOUNDING OF ERRORS. THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU SAY THAT SHANI IS > STRONGER THAN GURU CONFUSES ME BECAUSE YES FOR 4TH HOUSE SHANI IS > STRONGER THAN GURU BUT NOT FOR 10TH HOUSE. HERE I AM BEING VERY > SPECIFIC. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOUR COMMENT ON SHANI BEING > STRONGER THAN GURU WAS CONSIDERING ALL 12 HOUSES AND THE MUTUAL > PLACMENT FOR ALL PLANETS WITH RESPECT TO EACH OTHER ? IF SO THEN I > AM VERY SURE THAT YOU WILL COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION USING WHATEVER > WAY YOU USE TO FIND THE STRENGH OF SHANI AND GURU I.E NAVAMSA, D > CHARTS OR YOGAS ETC WITH WHAT I HAVE SHOWN IN THE WORKSHEET. THEN IF > YOU COMPARE SHANI AND GURU FOR EACH HOUSE WE WILL HAVE A MORE > STRONGER BASIS FOR COMPARISION. BUT STILL JUST USING THE WORD > STRONGER I AM > > NOT CLEAR OR AM NOT FOLLOWING. THE QUETSIONS THAT COMES TO MY > MIND .. STRONGER FOR WHAT OR WHICH HOUSE OR WHICH EVENT ? > > > > About not considering Navamsha strength, I am not able to follow > what you are saying. On the one hand you say that these being equal > you do not consider Navamsha in worksheet and that you only use > Navamsha to find samdharmi and on the other hand you say that my > contention is not correct. > > > > > > ASH : RASI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL STATUS AS PER THE TEACHINGS OF > KAS. NAVAMSA IS DERIVED FROM RASI. FOR THE STRENGH AND WORKSHEET > ONLY RASI IS NEEDED. IF IN CASE OF DOUBT YOU CAN GO INTO D-CHARTS > AND FIND OUT FROM THAT. I HAVE DEMONTRATED WITH AN EXAMPLE OF > RAMESH'S MARRIAGE. I WOULD HOPE THAT LAKSHMI WOULD COMMENT ON THIS > PART. I HAVE NOT SAID THAT YOU ARE NOT CORRECT. YOU ARE TRYING TO > FIND THE STRENGTH ALSO FROM NAVAMSA. AS PER KAS I FIND THE STRENGTH > FROM WORKSHEET WHICH IS FROM RASHI. FOR D-CHARTS I CAST WORKSHEET > BUT ONLY PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE. WE DO NOT CONSIDER ASPECTS > PART. SO ONLY TOP PORTION OF WORKSHEET IS USED. WE BOTH ARE > FINDING STRENGTH AND I AM USING AV FROM RASI AND YOU ARE PROBABLY > USING RASI/NAVAMSA/D CHARTS ETC AND SIGN PLACEMENT TO FIND OUT THE > STRENGTH. > > > > Again you are talking about timing of events and the original > thread is about Guru's capacity to harm the house occupied by it. > > > > ASH : FOR ME THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF QUESTION. AS PER KRUSHNAS > ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM PLANETS THAT ASPECT PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES > I.E. 8TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS, 5TH FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS AND HOUSE > UNDER FOCUS FOR EXAMPLE FOR READERS IF YOU ARE TIMING MARRIAGE THEN > 2ND, 7TH AND 11TH AND IF ANY PLANET HAS ASPECT ON THESE HOUSES THEN > THEY WILL NOT GIVE RESULT IN THEIR ANTRA BUT THEIR SAMDHARMI WILL > GIVE RESULT AND THE EXCEPTION IS THAT IF THE PLANET IS LORD OF 10TH > FROM HOUSE UNDER FOCUS OR 6TH THEN IT WILL GIVE. > > > > GURU ALWAYS ASPECTS 5TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AND ITS > A PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSE SO GURU WILL NOT GIVE RESULT FOR THE > HOUSE ITS PLACED IN GENERALLY. ONLY EXCEPTION IS THAT IF GURU IS IN > PISCES SO SUCH A GURU WILL GIVE THE RESULT OF TIMING OF EVENT. > SIMILARLY FOR MARS. I THINK ALSO SOMETHING SIMILAR IS SAID FOR MARS > AS PER VEDIC TEXTS. MARS ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED > IN AND 8TH HOUSE SO AS PER VEDIC TEXTS ITS ALSO SAID THAT MARS SPOILS > THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN. FOR SHANI IT DOES NOT ASPECT ANY OF THE > SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES WHEREEVER ITS PLACED SO ITS NOT SAID TO SPOIL THE > HOUSE AND WILL DELIVER THE RESULT IF IT HAS POWER AS PER WORKSHEET. > SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN NOTED IN TEXTS AS JU SPOILS THE HOUSE IT IS > PLACED IN AND SHANI DOES NOT. MARS ALSO CAN BE SAID TO SPOIL THE > HOUSE IT IS IN HOWEVER THE EXCEPTIONS FOR ALL IS IF THE SAME PLANET > ALSO RULES 10TH AND 6TH FROM THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN IT WILL GIVE THE > RESULT. THIS CAN BE CHECKED AND I AM SURE IT WILL > > VALIDATE WITH YOUR EXCEPTIONS. > > > > SO I AM NOT TAKING PART IN THE DISCUSSION AS FOR ME PERSONALLY > THERE IS NOTHING TO DISCUSS. THE BASICS OF SUCH THINGS ARE CRYSTAL > CLEAR AND CONSIDERED BY THE RULES OF KRUSHNAS ASHTAVARGA SYSTEM. I > AM VERY GLAD HOWEVER TO SEE THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP THIS TOPIC. > > > > ANOTHER THING, GURU IS A HYOCRATIC PLANET. WHENEVER ONE TRIES TO > POTRAY GURU AS BAD THERE WILL BE RESISTANCE. THIS IS THE POWER OF > GURU. I AM SITTING BACK AND READING WITH INTEREST AND SEEING THE > MAYA GURU CREATES. FUNNY ITS EASIER TO BLAME SHANI FOR THINGS AND > POTRAY IT AS BAD BUT INFACT ITS SHANI WHO IS THE PLANET OF TRUTH. > > > > SUCH THIGNS ARE HARD FOR PEOPLE TO DIGEST AND YOU ARE GETTING SO > MUCH OF EXPLAINING TO DO. THIS ITSELF PROVES MY POINT AND YOUR POINT > ALSO. > > > > Anyway let us await Lakshmi's comment about your observation on > Mercury Antar, though this is not part of the original discussions. > > > > ASH : YES, IT WILL BE NICE IF LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON THE MARRIAGE > OF RAMESH IF IT HAPPENED IN MERCURY ANTRA AS PER KAY. IF THE DATE IS > GIVEN IT WILL BE BETTER. THIS WILL PROVE THE POWER OF THE PLANET AS > PER WORKSHEET TO DELIVER THE RESULTS AFTER FINDING OUT THE DELAY FROM > RASHI AND NAVAMSA AS BOTH HAVE SIMILAR STATUS AS PER KAS. > > > > > > > > THANK YOU FOR THIS DICUSSION, > > > > CHEERS !!! > > > > ASH > > > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Ash wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > My answers in CAPS below. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > I forgot that you are using Krushna's Ashtakavarga system. In that > case you must be using Krushna's Ayanamsha. The system you are using > is a combination of Ashtakavarga and traditional Graha Bhava Bala > system. > > > > ASH : THE SYSTEM I USE IS KRUSHNAS ASHTAKVARG AND ITS PART OF VEDIC > ASTROLOGY. I DONT KNOW WHAT U MEAN BY GRAHA BHAVA BALA SYSTEM. IN > SHORT WE CAN COMPUTE THE STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY > HOUSE AND ALSO FOR ALL 16 D CHARTS. SO ITS VEDIC ASTROLOGY ONLY AND > NOT DIFFERENT. AS PER KAS WE DO NOT TALK IN GENERAL TERMS AS SHANI > IS STRONG OR WEAK BUT WE CAN GO INTO DETAILS AS PER POINTS AND FIND > OUT HOW A PLANET WILL ACT FOR EACH HOUSE. IN MOST CASES PLANETS DO > NOT ACT BAD FOR ALL HOUSES. IN SHANI ANTRA AS PER RAMESH'S CHART IT > WILL BE GOOD FOR 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AS COMPARED TO GURU'S ANTRA FOR > 4TH HOUSE MATTERS AT THE SAME TIME FOR 10TH HOUSE MATTESR GURU WILL > BE MUCH STRONGER THAN SHANI AS YOU CAN SEE AS PER POINTS. ABOUT > NAVAMSA I SHALL COMMENT BELOW. > > > > > > > > There is no harm in using it as long as results come true. However > it is not a different Ashtakavarga system per se. > > > > ASH : ASHTAKVARG IS ASHTAKVARG AND HOW TO USE IT IS NOT GIVEN > CLEARLY IN ANY TEXTS. PEOPLE ARE UNDER THE IMPRESSION BASED ON > CURRENT TEXTS THAT ITS USED TO TIME DEATH OR ITS USE IS LIMITED TO > TRANSITS WHICH IS NOT CORRECT. THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHAT I TRY TO > SAY AND EXPLAIN WHEN PEOPLE COMMENT ON ASHTAKVARGA AND ITS USED ONLY > IN TRANSITS. THE WHOLE SYSTEM IN WHICH ITS USED TO TIME EVENTS IS > NOT WRITTEN IN ANY BOOK OR CLASSICS DESPITE MANY MAHARISHIS LIKE > PARASARA, VARHARAMIRA ETC HAVE ALL MENTIONED ASHTAKVARGA IN THEIR > TEXTS. > > > > I was talking about a different Ashtakavarga system that you had > suggested exists. > > > > ASH : I HAVE NOT SUGGESTED ANYTHING OF THAT KIND. KRUSHNAS > ASHTAKVARGA SYSTEM IS A SYSTEM IN WHICH WE USE ASHTAKVARGA TO FIND > THE STRENGTH OF EACH PLANET FOR EACH HOUSE. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS > ANY SYSTEM OUT THERE THAT DOES THAT. RESULTS CAN BE SEEN AT A > GLANCE. FOR EXAMPLE RAMESHS MARRIAGE MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED DURING > MERCURY ANTRA. MERCURY HAS THE HIGHEST STRENGTH IN THE CHART FOR 7TH > HOUSE. AND IS LOD OR 10TH LORD FROM 7TH HOUSE. MAHADAHSA CAN BE THAT > OF SHANI. SHANI IS SAMDHARMI TO NAKTURAL KARAK VENUS OF MARRIAGE. > SO SHANI MD/ MERCURY AD CAN GIVE MARRIAGE. THERE ARE 2 ZEROES IN BAV > ONE DUE TO VENUS AND OTHER DUE TO MARS AND MERCURY SO RESULT WILL BE > IN LAST SECTOR OF MERCURY ANTRA. MERCURY ANTRA RUNS IN SHANI MD RUNS > FROM 1983/11 THRU 1986/JULY. 3RD SECTOR STARTS 1985/07 THRU > 1986/07. I AM NOT GOING FURTHER. IF THIS IS IN THE BALL PARK ITS > GOOD AND ONE CAN NARROW IT DOWN FURTHER WITH SUNS TRANSIT OVER STRONG > SIGNIFICATORS FOR 7TH HOUSE AS PER THE WORKSHEET POINTS. > > MAYBE LAKSHMI CAN VERIFY WHEN HER MARRIAGE TOOK PLACE WITH RAMESH. > > > > Varahamihira does have a slightly different bindu placement no > doubt yet it is only different by way of allowing Lagna to have one > more bindu of influence for some planet's Ashtakavarga. So it might > not mean that other planet is getting a bindu less. > > > > ASH : THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT SCHEME THAT IS IN > TEXTS TODAY AVAILABLE GIVEN AS PER PARASARA AND WHATS GIVEN OR > PRESERVED FROM VARHARAMIRA. BOTH ARE GREAT SAGES AND THEIR BAV > SCHEMES MUST BE SAME. PARASARAS HAS BEEN CORRPUT OVER TIME. THE > DIFFERENCES IN IN BAV FOR MOONS PLACMENT FROM MOON AND GURU AND VENUS > FROM MARS. THIS HAS VERY DEEP MEANING AND SAYING FOR EXAMPLE IF > VENUS GETS POWER IF IN 4TH FROM MARS AND IF VENUS IS NOT GETTING > POWER OR A BINDU IF IN 4TH FROM MARS HAS A BIG DIFFERENCE. THERE ARE > ONLY 337 POINTS AND IT WOULD MEAN THAT IF AS IN THE CASE OF RAMESHES > CHART IF HIS 7TH BHAVA GETS 19TH IT MEANS THAT THAT 1 BINDU OF FROM > THE POOL OF 337 HAS GONE TO SOME OTHER HOUSE. IF A PLANET IS IN THAT > HOUSE IT MAY GET 1 BINDU MORE STRENGTH AND IT MAY CHANGE THE ENTIRE > CHART. IF THAT PLANET IS IN 4TH FROM A MALEFIC PLANET (BY MALEFIC I > MEAN A PLANET WITH < 4 BINDUS EXCEPT MOON) AND IF THAT PLANET WERE TO > GET STRNGTH THEN THAT PLANET WOULD BECOME VERY STRONG FOR > > ALL 12 HOUSES. THAT WOULD CHANGE THE ENTIRE COMPLEXION OF THE > CHART. WITH ASKTAVARG WE ARE VERY PARTICULAR AND THIS IS NOT A > TRIVIAL MATTER. 1 BINDUS CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. > > > > I said 19 Bindus as the chart sent by Dear Lakshmi was in that > format. Varahamihira has exactly 8 shlokas on Ashtakavarga and his is > not a different system. He only has a different opinion about which > places are influenced by Lagna in case of some of the planets. > Parashara has, on the other hand, exhaustively dealt with > Ashtakavarga. > > > > ASH : THIS IS NOT TRUE. BAV SCHEMES HAVE TO MATCH. I DONT > UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BY SYSTEMS. THE CORE AND BASIC OF > ASHTAKVARG SYSTEM IS THE BAV POINTS. IF PARASARA IS SAYING THAT MOON > IS NOT GIVING STRENGTH TO 9TH BHAVA WHEAREAS VARHARAMIRA IS SAYING IT > DOES. THIS IS HUGE DIFFERECE OUT HERE. SIMILARLY MOON IS BENEFIC IN > 2ND FROM GURU AND VARHARAMIRA IS SAYING THAT 1 BINDUS STRENGTH IS NOT > GIVEN. THIS IS THE BASIC. YOU JUST CANNOT SAY THAT THE DIFFERENCE > OF OPINION IS "ONLY". THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. IMAGINE A SYSTEM > THAT IS USED ACCURATELY FOR TIMING OF EVENTS THE SAV VALUES FROM > WHICH THE STRENGTH OF ALL PLANEST AND FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE IS > COMPUTED AND ITS BASED ON SAV AND SAV IS BASED ON BAV. IN THE LEAST > WHAT YOU ARE SAYING MIGHT SURMOUNT TO COMPOUNDING OF ERROR. ACTUALLY > IF YOU STUDY HOW ONE COMES TO THE POINTS THAT I HAVE DISPLAYED IN MY > PREVIOUS MAILS YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHY I AM SO PICKY WITH > THIS DISTRIBUTION OF BAV AND STICKING TO > > VARHARAMIRA. IF WE DIFFER ON THIS VIEW WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE. > > > > I have already given the reason I think Saturn is stronger than > Guru in reply to Lakshmi. > > > > ASH : YES, I DID READ YOUR INTERSTING COMMENT BUT I WAS NOT CLEAR > ON WHAT YOU MEANT BY STRONGER. STRONGER FOR WHAT EVENTS ? DID U > MEAN STRONGER FOR DELIVERING RESULTS OR ALL 12 HOUSES. CAN YOU BE > MORE SPECIFIC. WHEN I GAVE THE POINTS I AM BEING VERY SPECIFIC AND > COMPARING GURU WITH SHANI FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. I AM BEING SPECIFIC IN > SAYING THAT IN GURU ANTRA RAMESH WILL HAVE MORE AUTHORITY AS COMPARED > TO SHANI. GURU IS IN UPCAHYA FROM 10TH HOUSE AND WITH 5 BINDUS. SO > ITS VERY EAGER TO GIVE 2ND AND 10TH HOUSE MATTERS. SHANI IS EAGER TO > GIVE RESULTS FOR 12TH, 4TH, 11TH, AND 3RD HOUSE IN ITS ANTRA. CAN > YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC. I DO NOT THINK SHANI IS BAD FOR EACH AND EVERY > HOUSE AND NEITHER IS GURU IN HIS ANTRA. AGAIN I AM RESTRICTING THE > RESULTS TO THE ANTRA. I THINK IF U ARE MORE SPECIFIC THEN WE MIGHT > BE SAYING THE SAME THING BUT FROM A DIFFERENT VIEW POINT. > > > > The reason it is not reflected in the table given by you is,as you > have indicated Navamsha strength of planets is not considered in the > system you are using. > > > > ASH : THIS IS INCORRECT. THE STRENGTH IS DERIVED FROM RASHI AND > THE WORKSHEET POINTS ARE FROM RASHI ONLY. NAVAMSA HAS EQUAL STATUS > AS COMPARED TO RASHI. WE USE NAVAMSA FOR FINDING OUT THE SAMDHARMIS > AND ALSO DELAY. ALL COMBINATIONS HAVE TO BE CHECKED FROM BOTH RASI > AND NAVAMSA. BUT FOR FINDING OUT THE STRENGH OF PLANET ITS DONE FROM > RASI. A WORKSHEET FOR EACH DIVISIONAL CHART IS ALSO CASTED. > > > > Using Krushna's Ayanamsha the Navamsha placement of planets could > also change. If you apply the strength from Navamsha as given in the > chart provided by Lakshmi, you will see my view point. > > > > ASH : IT WILL NOT CHANGE THINGS. I CHECKED AFTER READING THIS > COMMENT. IN BOTH CASES USING KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA AND LAHIRI SHANI > REMAINS IN LIBRA IN NAVAMSA SO ITS SAMDHARMI TO VENUS. IT WILL > REPLACE VENUS FOR THE HOUSE THAT VENUS IS UNABLE TO DELIVER RESULTS. > THE POSITION OF MARS CHANGES IN LAGNA THOUGH. MAYBE IF U SEE THINGS > WITH MARS BEING IN 12TH INSTEAD OF 11TH YOU MAY SEE MY VIEW POINT. > AGAIN I AM EMPHASISING ON THE FACT THAT STRENGTH OR THE WORKSHEET > THAT I GAVE IS COMPUTED FROM RASHI ONLY AND SAMDHARMIS IS COMPUTED > FROM RASHI AND NAVAMSA. RASHI AND NAVAMSA HAVE EQUAL STATUS AS PER > KAS AND WE FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES FOR FINDING DELAY. I HAVE > DEMONSTRATED IN THIS MAIL REGARDING MARRIAGE OF RAMESH WITH LAKSHMI. > FOR THAT I HAVE COMPUTED DELAY FOR MARRIAGE USING 2 ZEROES, AND SHANI > ASPECTING PRIMIARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES FROM RASHI AND THEIR LORDS IN > NAVAMSA AND USING WORKSHEET STRENGTH I HAVE COMPUTED THE TIME FRAME. > IT WILL BE INTERSTING IF LAKSHMI CAN COMMENT ON THE SAME. > > THERE IS A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE IN THE WORKSHEET. SOME HOW IN HASTE > MY AYANAMSA CHANGE BUT IT WILL NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR MARRAIGE. > HERE IS THE CORRECTED VERSION OF THE WORKSHEET. MERCURY STILL HAS 18 > POINTS FOR 7TH HOUSE AND MOSTLY ALL HOUSES. > > > > HseSAV > PtSuMoMaMeJuVeSa125172012201171022391614222214123311615121141474261117 > 7237102353212239191622156321816182158117201014918111810819221292541710 > 92881214752131034171371621164113816151521415191229101411981415 > > > > > > > > THANKING YOU, > > > > CHEERS !!! > > > > ASH > > > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Ash wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi, > > There is a difference between a house getting 20 bindus and a house > getting 19 bindus as you are aware. I agree both are weak with 20 > bindus being a stronger than 19 bindus. At the same token if a bhave > gets 1 bindu more it means one other house is getting 1 bindu less. > > It also means that some planet has made a favourable yog w.r.t one > house and not with another. Is it not ? > > I use Krushnas Ashtakvarga system as you are also aware. > > In that SAV is the base from that we derive the strength of each > planet for each and every house and also for each and every 16 > divisional chart. When casting the worksheet the aspects are not > considered in the D charts only the basis strength. > > The BAV values given by Parasara in my opinion have become > corrupt. The BAV distribution scheme by Varharamira is correct. The > settings are also given in JHL software where you tick off the check > boxes in the lite version. If you use the option of Varharamira you > will get 20 bindus for 7th house. It would be good to understand if > you have intentionally used Parasara's scheme of BAV or generally use > Varharmiras scheme ? > > To come to the final stength of each and every planet for each > house . > > > > Here is the final strength of planet for Ramesh's chart. > > > > These are total strength of the planets and derived by considering > the following. > > > > 1) 4:10 > > 2) Addition of 5 points for LoD and LoE or 10th lord and 6th lord > from house under consideration > > 3) Planets in 10th and 6th hosue from house under consideration > with > 4 bindus. > > 4) Planets aspecting primary significator house i.e Karak, phal and > phalit sthans. > > 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspects on karak, phal and phalit sthan > > 5) Benefic/Malefic Aspect on planets > > 6) Adjustment of 12th from house under focus > > 7) Adjustment of 6th lord. > > > > After meticulously considering all these factors we come to > strength of each planet for each and every house. Like that we also > compute strength for all d charts but in that we only conider the > strength for karak, phal and phalit sthan for each and every house. > > > > You have said that Shani is stronger than Guru. Here you can see > both Shani and Guru at a glace on how they will deliver their results > in their respective antar dasha. > > > > I do hear ya regarding the system not being different from > parasara. Actually parasara did give the BAV scheme but it has > become corrupt over time. > > > > Here Jupiter is in 10th from 10th house so its foritifying 10th > house and also Guru is with 5 bindus in 7th house and in multrikon so > its very eager to give results for 10th house. > > > > If you see the worksheet you can see Ju is having 22 points for > 10th house and Shani has 7 points for 10th house. There is a big > difference in authority that Ramesh would have been bestowed in the > antras of Guru and Shani. > > At the same time if you see expenses v/s income in Guru and shani > and compare the 11th v/s 12th points you can see more expenses in > shani compared to Guru antra. > > > > > > > HouseSignsSAVSuMoMaMeJuVeSa1Gemini2316191320177162Cancer24101520232314 > 163Leo309219191111134Virgo26722924144235Libra338235202216196Scorpio321 > 6202124139177Sagittarius20719525171288Capricorn211519924912129Aquarius > 2971713111422910Pisces291310- > 217229711Aries401121102614101912Taurus305211019121020 > > > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Even with 20 points the Bhava lacks strength, is it not? Saturn > there however extends protection. By the way I am not aware of any > Ashtakavarga system which gives differential value of Bindus/Rekhas > based on Lagna of a native or placement of a planet in a Rasi, > aspects received by it and association with other planets. May I know > to which system you are referring to and the weightage for these > factors given in that system by increasing or reducing the > Bindus/Rekhas. > > If you are talking about using other parameters in association with > Ashtakavarga then of course that is a different matter and would not > constitute different system than Parashara. > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lakshmi > > > > Pardon me for my intervention. > > > > I would like to comment on Ashtakavarga. > > > > 1) It seems that you have used Parasaras scheme of BAV. With > > Varharamiras scheme you get 20 points in Ramesh's 7th house. > > > > 2) For nodes are we know are not planets. They are used > indirectly. > > They are samdharmi to sign lord and nakshatra lord. For natural > > nature as you have said or quoted in numerious posts Rahu is like > > Shani and Ketu like Mars. Functionally they will be more like the > > planet i.e. either sign lord or nak lord as per the points they > > receive in their BAV. For example, if Rahu is in Gemini and nak of > > punarvasu then it will represent Me and Ju. If say Ge is 3rd house > > and in 3rd house Ju gets 5 bindus and Me gets say 6 bindus then > Rahu > > will act more like Mercury. > > > > 3) With regards to your comment on Ashtakavarg not using sign > > placement is not entirely correct. If used with a proper system > the > > sign placement can give idea on quantum of result and its not used > to > > find timing of result. For timing of result Ashtakvarg, SAV and > > total strength of planets derived from SAV is good enough to time > > results effectively. > > > > Maybe knowledge of Ashtakvarg that is available in texts today is > not > > complete and may lead to confusion. > > > > Ashtakvarg system used is an effective tool in timing of events. > > > > A couple of points on Ramesh's chart. > > > > 1) In Ramesh's chart there are 2 consecutive zeroes one given by > > Venus to 7th and one by Mars to 8th. > > > > 2) Jupiter antra will be very eager to bestow authority to Ramesh > and > > also for acquisition of wealth. Between 1997/04 thru 1999/10 > Ramesh > > might have been given a role of responsibility. Also a good time > to > > make investments and accumulation of wealth. Lakshami can verify > > this antra. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > <boxdel> > > wrote: > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > I think in Ramesh's case Saturn is Lord of the 9th is it not? He > > not > > > only associates a Kendra Lord but is also is in kendra being a > > trine > > > lord. He is also Lord of Navamsha Lagna aspecting Lagna, besides > > being > > > placed in a trikona. Jupiter on the other hand is Lord of 2nd and > > 11th > > > in Navamsha and in 3rd house. I would certainly treat Saturn as > > more > > > powerful than Jupiter, even if in Lagna Jupiter appears to be > with > > > greater strength. But there too he is only a Kendra Lord in > Kendra > > > associating a trine lord. Since we are talking about 7th house > > would it > > > not be right to look at the Navamsha strengths of the planets, > > before > > > coming to conclusion about 7th house? If we look at Ashtaka Varga > > then > > > SAV would rather prove my view point as it shows 7th house with > 19 > > > points. Personally I give more weightage to Natal chart read with > > > Navamsha. the reason is Ashtakavarga do not consider effects of > > nodes , > > > neither do they consider house ownership or Rasi occupation > > > weightage.Your opinion would be appreciated. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekar ji, > > > > > > > > Even in Ramesh's case, Jupiter is in own house/moolatrikona. > > Please > > > > look at the ashtakavarga & bala of Saturn. Who is more > empowered > > to > > > > protect the house, based on both strength and functionality, > > Jupiter > > > > or Saturn? I request you to ponder on this. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > If I may point out, in Javed's case Guru is in own house > and > > in > > > > Ramesh's case Saturn conjuncts Guru. The dictum is Sthana > > rakshati > > > > Mandah. Guru's exception to house damage occurs when he is > in > > own > > > > house. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > > > > > > >> Om Gurave Namah > > > >> > > > >> Namaste Pradeep ji, > > > >> > > > >> I happen to know of individuals who have strong Guru in > 4th > > and > > > >> 7th. Strong Guru in 4th has blessed the individual with > > great > > > >> knowledge, an intelligence that borders on genius and a > rare > > > >> inner harmony. That person, a devout Muslim, is one of the > > finest > > > >> individuals I have ever come across, and he is very > attached > > to > > > >> his family and mother and there are no problems what so > ever > > on > > > >> the home front. This individual is highly esteemed in his > > work > > > >> environment and has all the comforts one could desire. > > Infact, > > > >> Guru in 4th is supposed to cast sukhargala on lagna, which > is > > > >> good for the general health & happiness of the person. > > > >> > > > >> The individual with Jupiter & Saturn in 7th (Dhanus) is my > > own > > > >> dear husband. We have been very happily married for nearly > 20 > > > >> years. My husband has prospered remarkably after marriage. > > > >> > > > >> I am posting the charts here. > > > >> > > > >> I request that you also post the charts of the individuals > to > > > >> whom you were referring in your post, for our edification > and > > > >> discussion. > > > >> > > > >> Regards, > > > >> Lakshmi > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> */vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep>/* wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > >> > > > >> I have been trying to test the principles taught by you > > > >> related to > > > >> guru in various bhavas. > > > >> > > > >> When in 3rd always some difficulties for siblings.Even > > when > > > >> in own > > > >> sign and in 4th,problems for mother and at home front. > > > >> > > > >> When in 7th at marriage front.When in Lagna and not in > > own > > > >> sign some > > > >> physical weakness and health problems in childhood. > > > >> > > > >> Thus Guru tests the individual thouroughly. > > > >> > > > >> Also sages have advised that Guru is not favourable > while > > > >> transiting > > > >> kendra houses 1,4,and 10th from moon.Only the 7th > kendra > > is > > > >> beneficial.(Is there any reason for this?) Only > > 2nd,5th,7th > > > >> and 9th > > > >> are favourable.11th being good for all planets in > > general. > > > >> > > > >> Respect > > > >> Pradeep > > > >> > > > >> vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > > > >> <boxdel> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > Dear Anuj, > > > >> > I am glad you agree with me. As you rightly said in > > your > > > >> message > > > >> to > > > >> > Razdan,a the dictum is pretty well known to > > astrologers. > > > >> There are > > > >> many > > > >> > shlokas to that effects and charts prove the > veracity > > of the > > > >> dictum, I > > > >> > have myself posted a few of them earlier. > > > >> > Unfortunately there is a tendency to mix up terms > like > > > >> Benefic/Malefic > > > >> > with the results a planet is likely to give. This > > happens more > > > >> with > > > >> > Jupiter as people usually tend to equate it with > > Deeksha > > > >> Guru as > > > >> his > > > >> > name in Sanskrit is Guru. People tend to forget > > Parashara > > > >> telling > > > >> when > > > >> > Guru can act as Maraka and want to attribute only > good > > and > > > >> pious > > > >> > attributes to him. I prefer to keep my personal > > feelings and > > > >> prejudices > > > >> > apart from application of astrological principles. > > > >> > Take care, > > > >> > Chandrashekhar. > > > >> > > > > >> > nameisego wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Respected Chandrashekhar ji. > > > >> > > Please accpet my pranams as you are the senior > most > > Guru > > > >> in age > > > >> and > > > >> > > experience in this group. > > > >> > > Your observation about Guru is absolutely right. > > > >> > > Self had posted in this group and elsewhere an > > article on " > > > >> > > "Guru Boon or Bane??" some time back where it was > > shown > > > >> Guru's > > > >> > > position in various houses which had been > > > >> destroyed/troubled by > > > >> Guru. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva > > > >> > > Bhava Vriddhhi karau Shanih" > > > >> > > This Dictum had been proved by self. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > You may (Mr.Razdan) go thro' older postings and > read > > for > > > >> yourself and > > > >> > > check the examples that were given. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Difference between Jupiter and saturn is, Jupiter > > sucks the > > > >> goodness > > > >> > > of a house and gives fruit to houses it aspects. > > Saturn > > > >> sucks the > > > >> > > houses he aspects and increases the house it > > occupies. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Tatvam-Asi > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > vedic astrology, PNRazdan > > > >> <pnrazdan> > > > >> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > >> > > > You seem to be extending your arguments against > > Jupiter > > > >> still > > > >> > > further. > > > >> > > > Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it > is > > a > > > >> designated as a > > > >> > > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the > principle > > of > > > >> "Karka > > > >> Bhavo > > > >> > > Nasa" > > > >> > > > . Now you say that it will harm every house it is > > > >> placed in. > > > >> Why > > > >> > > this > > > >> > > > animosity with Jup, the hope of millions > believing > > in Vedic > > > >> > > Astrology > > > >> > > > (in lighter vein). > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was > not > > > >> given by > > > >> you. But > > > >> > > > take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It > > always > > > >> speaks > > > >> of > > > >> > > the > > > >> > > > benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is > even > > > >> said, that > > > >> > > howsoever > > > >> > > > bad it may be placed in, it will still try to > help > > the > > > >> subject. And > > > >> > > > this has been amply proved by our experience. > > > >> > > > I am afraid. you will have to do some more > > hardwork for > > > >> convincing > > > >> > > all > > > >> > > > about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly > > Brahiman. This > > > >> would > > > >> > > even > > > >> > > > mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology. > > > >> > > > Pran Razdan > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > >> > > > > Reference to Leo was in connection with what > > > >> Shubhangi had > > > >> asked. > > > >> > > > > Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is a > > dictum > > > >> given > > > >> by > > > >> > > sages > > > >> > > > > and > > > >> > > > > there is no reason to try to find out the > > reason. If one > > > >> wants to > > > >> > > > > find > > > >> > > > > the reason about Leo, consider this in natural > > zodiac > > > >> Leo is > > > >> in > > > >> > > 5th > > > >> > > > > house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to > > Karaka Bhava > > > >> Dasha. In > > > >> > > > > 11th > > > >> > > > > all planets are Shubha so it is not only > Jupiter > > who is > > > >> Shubha > > > >> > > there. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Disha strength is one amongst many strengths > > > >> considered but > > > >> not > > > >> > > as > > > >> > > > > strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in > Lagna. > > > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Prafulla Gang wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be > > preferred in > > > >> Leo for > > > >> > > > > Muhurta, > > > >> > > > > > I do not know much about muhurta related > > > >> configurations),It may > > > >> > > not > > > >> > > > > > become weak in terms of Bala necessarily > > (generally > > > >> speaking). > > > >> > > In > > > >> > > > > > fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is > > considered bad. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have > > directional > > > >> strength > > > >> > > to > > > >> > > > > > initiate for results. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > There must be more than this reason, for > > jupiter to > > > >> give > > > >> > > negative > > > >> > > > > > results. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > regards/Prafulla Gang > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology, > > Chandrashekhar > > > >> > > > > <boxdel> > > > >> > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Shubhangi, > > > >> > > > > > > Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter > > looses his > > > >> > > strength in > > > >> > > > > > Leo > > > >> > > > > > > and that is why there are no Muhurtas for > > > >> marriages when > > > >> > > Jupiter > > > >> > > > > > > occupies Leo or what is called as > Simhastha. > > That > > > >> is due > > > >> to > > > >> > > the > > > >> > > > > > fact of > > > >> > > > > > > Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case > Sun > > > >> being in > > > >> own > > > >> > > Rasi > > > >> > > > > > makes > > > >> > > > > > > him Shubha and therefore good relations > with > > > >> Father. But > > > >> I > > > >> > > would > > > >> > > > > > say he > > > >> > > > > > > would not follow father's profession. > > > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Shubhangi Naik wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Dear Sir, > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Sorry for intervening in your session, > but > > I am > > > >> curious > > > >> to > > > >> > > know > > > >> > > > > > the logic behind jupiter losing its strength > > in leo > > > >> and > > > >> hence > > > >> > > this > > > >> > > > > > email. > > > >> > > > > > > >Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's > > case also. > > > >> > > > > > > >My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, > no > > > >> doubt he > > > >> is very > > > >> > > > > > intelligent but did not do much well in > > academics > > > >> and yes, > > > >> he > > > >> > > did > > > >> > > > > > fail once in his 10th class. > > > >> > > > > > > >With my half knowledge I thought the > reason > > to > > > >> be the > > > >> > > > > positioning > > > >> > > > > > of both the planets in 8th, but now curious > to > > know > > > >> why jup > > > >> > > losses > > > >> > > > > > strength in leo. > > > >> > > > > > > >But though both planets are positioned in > > 8th, both > > > >> father > > > >> > > and > > > >> > > > > > son shares good relation with each other. > > > >> > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >> > > > > > > >Shubhangi > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote : > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Dear Dhira, > > > >> > > > > > > >>There you see the dictum working. Is it > > not? > > > >> > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > >> > > > > > > >>Chandrashekhar. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >& > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Hello Ash: Why would the 8th house from a house become the Karaka? The Karakas are set in stone, i.e Venus is the karaka for marriage, etc. The sages have already established the karakattatwa for various planets. Mukund vedic astrology, "ashsam73" <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > In vedic texts no where it is written that Dhanu rashi is called > Saggitarius isnt it so ?. But people on this list still call it > Saggitarius and its accepted as Vedic Astrology. You can also put > forward an argument that Parasara has never said Saggitarius is > Dhanu and no where in any scriptural reference is it called > by "Saggitarius". But we adapt and its understood that when someone > says Saggitarius it means Dhanu. > > Your approach is that if something does not have backing of some > shokes that is available in the limited pool of this antient sience > as we know which is not complete its hard for you to digest despite > the fact you know it works. > > For me it does not matter who wrote the shokes or how or where it was > found. For me I have to see something has to work and work > consistently. If it does it worth a million shokes. > > Mistakes everyone makes as no one can learn to walk without falling > first and that a part of learning but its not because system does not > work. Its infact Krushnaji who encouraged me to make mistakes and > told me thats the way I will learn as once u make a mistake the next > time one will remember why the person made the mistake and will not > repeat it. Thats also the way finer things about KAS system will come > out. No 2 charts are same. So I am not afraid to make mistakes. > > Now Logic dictates that if something works then whatever is taught is > proper. Now just because you cannot find the shokes in the limited > texts that its available to you cannot be the basis to disregard it > in my opinion. If you do that then one will be stuck in the limited > pool of information and never try to look beyond and always in the > garb of saying that its not given in any scripture or not supported > by any scriptures. I would agree with that approach IF the > scriptures were complete. > > That to me is common sense. But just to say that despite something > working and one is not able to find sholokes and asking me again and > again to support your pallete and approach is in my opinion a futile > task. As to me what matters is something works and works > consistently. > > As per KAS 8th house from a house is called KARAK. You can choose to > call it House A, 2nd from lagna, KARAK or whatever you would like as > long as u understand it. > > For me 8th house from a house is called KARAK or we call it House A. > 5th house from the house under focus is called House C. 10th from a > house under focus is called D and 6th from a house under focus is > called House E and the use under focus is called B. > > I am not going to sit here and argue about the method MY TEACHER has > chosen to teach just because you like it to be called in a certain > way or sanskrit terms. Many students who learn KAS might not even > know english or just a little bit of English. Just because you know > good Sanskrit and English and other languages it does not mean that > all know and can follow the same. > > If you also see on website Donna has created, Margarita has taken > pains to convert the lessons into French so that this knowledge can > spread. Denis and Alain Poinsot have converted the worksheet into > French so that it helps people from other non English / > Sanskrit/Hindi/Marathi etc countries so that this knowlege of Vedic > Astrology and KAS spreads. > > You cannot judge the way others teach or how they teach. If one is > willing to learn then he must abide by the way his teacher chooses to > teach. Isnt that vedic culture ? > > If one uses 12 houses, nakshatras, graha dristi, ashtakavarga, > vimshottari dasha all sound principles as given by Maharishis. Isnt > that vedic astrology ? > > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > I note your saying that it is hard for me to stomach what you have > said. > > I will tell you why. You have not made any remarks about the > shlokas. I > > do not understand why this hesitance since you claim that the > system is > > Vedic Astrology. You have also, not commented about mention of > wrong > > names of even sages in the lessons of KAS. You have also chosen not > to > > comment on the portion from the lesson posted. Do I understand that > the > > position about beneficence or malfeasance of planets has now been > > changed ? If so why? If this is Vedic astrology why refer to house > > aspected as C or D or anything else rather than give them their > proper > > names in accordance with Vedic Astrology? If Vedic Astrology then > how > > can the defined aspects of Jupiter be changed? You say: > > "I HAVE ALSO GONE ON TO COMMENT THAT FROM KAS VIEW POINT ALSO MARS > WILL > > NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE THE RESULT OF THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AS MARS > > ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE LOCATED AND 8TH HOUSE IS KARAK AS > PER > > TERMINOLOGY. " > > Since when is a house itself a Karaka in Vedic Astrology terms? > Could > > you quote at least one shloka, from any known text on Vedic > Astrology, > > saying this? If that is also a "secret-unrevealed" how does one > take the > > statement about the system being Vedic Astrology to be right? > Should > > that not be possible, It is difficult to believe Vedic Astrology > origin > > of the system. If this is not Vedic Astrology then how can one hold > > discussions in a rational manner, on a list devoted to Vedic > Astrology? > > This is why I said it would be futile to carry on this discussion. > > Unless texts are quoted in support of theories advanced or at least > > similar observations from standard texts quoted, I do not see any > point > > in carrying on this discussion. > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Ash wrote: > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > You have quoted > > > > > > " For the knowledge of all I am pasting below the last paragraph > of > > > that lesson, which will confirm that even your own system > confirms > > > that Saturn does not give malefic effects for the house it is > placed > > > in. The lesson also says that Jupiter with more Bindus gives > malefic > > > aspect. Your argument has been that Jupiter with more bindu is a > > > Benefic in all 12 bhavas." > > > > > > ASH : I HAVE TOLD YOU RIGHT IN THE BEGINING THAT I AGREE WITH > YOUR > > > ORIGINAL POINT AND MY DISCUSSION WAS NOT ON THE BASIC THREAD > ABOUT > > > GURU SPOILING THE RESULT. > > > > > > I HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU MY STAND THAT IF THE SAME IS SEEN FROM > KAS > > > VIEW POINT GURU WILL ASPECT HOUSE C OR ONE OF THE PRIMARY > SIGNIFICATOR > > > HOUSES AND THEREBY ITSELF WILL BE UNABLE TO GIVE THE RESULT AND > ITS > > > SAMDHARMI WILL GIVE. SUCH THINGS ARE ALL PART OF KAS AND THERE > WAS > > > NOTHING TO DISCUSS. ITS OTHERS WHO HAVE A HARD TIME TO STOMACH > AS > > > YOU HAVE SAID AND SUCH THINGS AS MY POINTS ON ASHTAKAVARGA ARE > HARD > > > FOR YOU TO STOMACH. > > > > > > IN THAT MAIL IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT I HAVE ALSO SAID THAT > SHANI IF > > > IT HAS POWER AS PER THE WORKSHEET AND IF DELAY IS OVER AND BY > THAT I > > > MEAN COMBINED OR WORKSHEET STRENGTH OF > 12 THEN ITSELF CAN GIVE > > > RESULT AS SHANI ITSELF DOES NOT ASPECT ANY PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR > > > HOUSES. I HAVE ALSO GONE ON TO COMMENT THAT FROM KAS VIEW POINT > ALSO > > > MARS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE THE RESULT OF THE HOUSE ITS PLACED > IN AS > > > MARS ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE LOCATED AND 8TH HOUSE IS > KARAK > > > AS PER TERMINOLOGY. OFCOUSE THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS BUT I AM > TALKING IN > > > GENERAL CASE. > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT GURU WITH MORE POINTS IS BENEFIC FOR ALL > 12 > > > HOUSE !!! THERE MUST BE SOME MISUNDERTANDING. > > > > > > IF AS PER WORKSHEET IF GURU HAS MORE THAN 12 POINTS FOR ALL 12 > HOUSES > > > THEN SUCH A GURU WILL GIVE BENEFIC RESULT FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. > > > AGAIN WE SHOULD ALSO KEEP IN MIND ABOUT THE POINT ABOUT GURU > ASPECTING > > > PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES ETC ETC. > > > > > > WORKSHEET GIVES FINAL STRENGH OF PLANET. WHAT YOU HAVE TAKED > ABOUT IS > > > SAV. > > > > > > WORKSHEEET IS DERIVED FROM SAV. > > > > > > PLEASE REFER TO THE ORIGINAL MAIL IN WHICH I HAVE GIVEN THE > WORKSHEET > > > OF RAMESH. I HAVE SAID CLEARLY THAT FOR 7TH HOSUE BOTH ARE WEAK > I.E > > > GURU AND SHANI. THIS IS BASED ON WORKSHEET TOTAL POINTS. TOTAL > OF > > > GURU = 11 AND THAT OF SHANI IS 10. THIS IS AND I EMPHASISE THE > SUM OF > > > ROW 17 IN THE WORKSHEET. > > > > > > FOR RAMESH GURU IS FAR STRONGER FOR 10TH HOUSE THAN SHANI. THIS > AGAIN > > > IS BASED ON FINAL STRENGTH AS PER WORKSHEET. IN THE WORKSHEET WE > ARE > > > TAKING COMBINED EFFECT OF ALL PLANETS AND THE ASPECTS. > > > > > > IF SA IS IN 5TH HOUSE AND SAY WITH 2 BINDUS THEN ITS ASPECT ON > 7TH, > > > 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE WILL BE WITH +6 [THIS PORTION YOU HAVE CUT AND > > > PASTED]. SO THE BASIC STRENGH OF SA WILL BE AS PER BAV I.E. THE > > > BINDUS THAT SA GETS FOR 7TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE AND THEN ITS OWN > > > ASPECT ON PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES WILL BE +18 I.E +6 FOR 7TH, > +6 > > > ON 11 AND +6 ON 2ND. > > > > > > SO UNLESS THERE ARE A HOST OF PLANEST WITH > 4 BINDUS HAVING > DIRECT > > > ASPECT ON SHANI AND REDUCING ITS POINTS SHANI [AS THEY WILL > ASPECT > > > SHANI WITH A MALEFIC DRSITI AS PER THE PORITION THAT YOU HAVE CUT > AND > > > PASTE] WILL BE VERY STRONG FOR 7TH HOUSE MATTERS. I AM NOT > > > CONSIDERING EXCEPTIONS BUT TALKING OF GENERAL RULE. > > > > > > PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE SAV WITH FINAL WORKSHEET WHICH I HAVE SEEN > YOU > > > DO IN OUR DISCUSSIONS. IN THE FINAL WORKSHEET THE PLANETS CAN > GET > > > MORE THAN 8 POINTS. IN SAV THE PLANET CAN GET MAX 8 BINDUS AND > THAT > > > IS BY LAGNA AND 7 PLANETS. PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE DIFFERENT > ASPECTS OF > > > THE SYSTEM. IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THE NITTY AND GRITTY OF KAS > WE CAN > > > DO IT ON KAS LIST AND STOP USING THE BANDWIDTH OF VA LIST. > > > > > > THERE IS NO MIS REPRESENTATION. PLEASE READ THE OTHER CHAPTERS > AND > > > WHEN YOU STUDY THE WORKSHEET YOU WILL UNDERSTAND HOW PLANETS GET > THE > > > POINTS AND HOW THE PORTION GIVEN BY YOU IN THIS MAIL IS USED. > > > > > > THIS IS THE BASICS OF KAS. > > > > > > HAVE U STUDIED THE ARCHIVES OF THE LIST. YOU WILL SEE THAT AFTER > THE > > > INITIAL LESSON WAS GIVEN THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON EACH > AND > > > EVERY LESSON AND FINER POINTS AND ALL QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED BY > SHRI > > > KRUSHNAJI WHICH AND WERE ALSO INCORPORATED IN THE LESSONS TO > REMOVE > > > ANY CONFUSION AND HENCE LABELED AS REVISED AS THEY WERE A > > > RIVISION FROM THE ORIGINAL VERSION AS TYPED BY KRUSHNAJI. I HOPE > THAT > > > CLARIFIES YOUR QUESTION ON WHY THINGS ARE LABELLED AS REVISED. > > > > > > > > > I AGREE WITH YOU ON YOUR LAST POINT. TO HAVE RATIONAL DISCUSSION > ON A > > > SUBJECT ONE MUST HAVE GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF A SYSTEM ONE IS > DEBATING > > > ON. IN MY OPINION YOU HAVE FAILED TO GRASP THE ESSENCE OF THE > POWER > > > SHOWED BY THE WORKSHEET. MAYBE ONCE YOU STUDY THE LESSONS ON > > > WORKSHEET AND HOW ITS COMPUTED USING THE PORTION YOU HAVE CUT AND > > > PASTE MAYBE YOU WILL UNDERTSAND WHAT I HAVE SAID. > > > > > > > > > CHEERS !!! > > > ASH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > I am aware how the worksheet was created. The reference was in > > > context of your advancing the argument that since work sheet > shows > > > a particular number it is the only correct position and not > giving > > > any text reference to the argument advanced. You even chose > to say > > > that there is inconsistency in Parashara's method of assessing > > > strength of planets. If my memory serves me right, the entire > > > discussion started with the dictum of Jupiter harming the > place he > > > occupies and Saturn protecting the same. For reasons best > known t > > > you, you chose to divert it to timing of events and then went > on > > > calling every system being corrupt but that advanced by you. > > > > > > I had many times said that I do not mind which system one > follows > > > if one thinks it right. But carrying a serious discussion > thread > > > to a direction it was not aimed at and then advancing > arguments > > > with support of standard texts is a bit too much. When none > of the > > > parameters accepted by all the Vedic astrologers including > > > Varahamihira , whose texts by your own declaration have not > been > > > corrupted, are considered in the system and yet you want to > call > > > it a Vedic Astrology in purest form is something very > confusing. > > > > > > I am certain if you show the entire argument thread to > Krushna, he > > > too will agree to the soundness of the arguments advanced me > > > within the parameters prescribed by Vedic Astrology. > > > > > > In so far as reading the Lessons are concerned, would you > care to > > > explain as to why so many lessons had to be revised when the > > > system is derived from some hidden and not available to > anybody > > > knowledge. the shlokas you are telling me to look at mention > > > wrong reference to names of Authors except Jataka Parijatakar. > > > You were reluctant to accept that these are available when I > gave > > > you the other texts in which information on Ashtakavarga is > given > > > at length. Even the Granthas from which the shlokas are taken > are > > > not named. You also talked disparagingly about commentators > in an > > > earlier mail. Now I see why, Bhattotpal who haas written a > > > commentary on Varahamihira's Brihat Jataka is mentioned in you > > > lesson as the original Acharya who has written Brihat Jataka. > > > > > > This does not deduct from the contribution of Bhattotpal, I am > > > just mentioning the fact to show how your views are biased > without > > > due consideration to the basis of your own favored system. > For the > > > knowledge of all I am pasting below the last paragraph of that > > > lesson, which will confirm that even your own system confirms > that > > > Saturn does not give malefic effects for the house it is > placed > > > in. The lesson also says that Jupiter with more Bindus gives > > > malefic aspect. Your argument has been that Jupiter with more > > > bindu is a Benefic in all 12 bhavas. > > > > > > *"The Late Shri K.S. Krishanamurti, founder of K.P. Paddhat, > also > > > agrees that the planets do not give the results as per their > > > natural natures. In reference to Jupiter, he states that it > has > > > lost its benefic power in the era of Kalyuga and that he has > > > experienced the malefic effects of Jupiter firsthand. But in > spite > > > of Kalyuga, I tend to disagree. It is the effect of the points > > > that it receives in its own place that truly makes the > difference. > > > An aspect of Jupiter with more points is always malefic. The > same > > > rule applies to all planets. With reference to Saturn, > > > Krishnamurti says it gives malefic effects based on the > > > constellation in which it resides. Perhaps, if he would have > come > > > across the Ashtakavarga system first, his whole theory would > have > > > been quite different. " > > > > > > Since you have all along been saying that Jupiter will be > stronger > > > than Saturn having 4 bindus as against 1 of Saturn and think I > > > have not understood your system, let me reproduce below what > > > Krushna has said in Lesson 3 and effects overall of the > planets. > > > Let the others who are watching our discussions decide what > is the > > > right position under your system. > > > MALEFIC AND BENEFIC PLANETARY ASPECTS TABLE > > > > > > > 1 > > > > 2 > > > 3 > > > MAXIMUM POINTS ALLOWED IN HOUSE BENEFIC POINTS ACQUIRED BY > THE > > > PLANET ITS EFFECT IN THE HOUSE WHERE IT > > > > 4 > > > 5 > > > IS THE OPPOSITE ASPECT THAT IT CREATES AND ITS > > > FINAL EFFECT > > > _1 2 3 > > > 4 5_ > > > > > > 8 0 Malefic by -8 Plus > 8 > > > Benefic > > > 8 1 Malefic by -7 Plus > 7 > > > Benefic > > > 8 2 Malefic by -6 Plus > 6 > > > Benefic > > > 8 3 Malefic by -5 Plus > 5 > > > Benefic > > > > > > 8 4 NEUTRAL WITH 4 NEUTRAL WITH 4 NEUTRAL WITH 4 > > > > > > 8 5 Benefic by +5 Minus > 5 > > > Malefic > > > 8 6 Benefic by +6 Minus > 6 > > > Malefic > > > 8 7 Benefic by +7 Minus > 7 > > > Malefic > > > 8 8 Benefic by +8 Minus > 8 > > > Malefic > > > > > > > > > * > > > I do not wish to extend the argument further as there is no > point > > > when, even with a different system, one chooses to > misrepresent > > > what has been said in that system to advance one's argument. > No > > > one can have a rational discussion in this manner. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > >> Dear Chandrashekhar, > > >> > > >> I shall try once again to explain rather than get personal. > > >> > > >> If you are using Jaganatha Hora Software please go to > Preference, > > >> Related to Calculation, Ashtakavarga Calculation Preferences. > > >> > > >> Please carefully read what the Author of the software has > written in > > >> the setting response box about the check boxes. > > >> > > >> I am quoting whats written. > > >> > > >> "If you want to use Parasara's definitions, check all the > options > > >> below" > > >> > > >> "If you want to use Varharamira's definitions, uncheck all > the > > >> options below". > > >> > > >> I am saying that its not possible to have a different scheme > and > > >> either one of the schemes has got corrupt over time. I > recon its > > >> Parasaras that has got corrupt. > > >> > > >> There is nothing about being superior or inferior. I keep > saying > > >> this part again and again and you keep thinking that I am > comparing > > >> and saying one is superior and other is inferior. > > >> > > >> I think it will now be clear that Parasaras BAV scheme is > different > > >> from Varharmiras. > > >> > > >> KAS uses Varharmiras scheme. > > >> > > >> The worksheet in Excel did not exist 20 years back. > > >> > > >> If you have claimed to have studied the lessons then how is > it that > > >> you have not observed that a lesson on casting the worksheet > > >> manually > > >> has been given. Lesson 7. > > >> > > >> I think pen and paper existed 20 years back. Worksheet is a > term I > > >> use as Sanjay Jaggia has made a worksheet to help make all > these > > >> computations easy. > > >> > > >> About the point of Quoting shokes is your style of doing > things. If > > >> you had bothered to read the lessons you would not have > asked me > > >> this > > >> question. Have you read lesson 2. Sanskrit shloks that you > have > > >> asked for are given there. > > >> > > >> Thanking you, > > >> Cheers !!! > > >> Ash > > >> > > >> vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > <boxdel> > > >> wrote: > > >> > Dear Ash, > > >> > I do not understand what you mean by saying there is > inconsistency > > >> in > > >> > the strength derived by the traditional system and telling > that > > >> some > > >> > other system by saying > > >> > "I AM SAYING THAT VARAHARMIRA AND PARSASARA HAVE BOTH > TAUGHT > > >> > ASHTAKAVARGA BUT THE SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS IS NOT GIVEN > WHICH IS > > >> WHAT > > >> > HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI. SO INFACT THIS IS > A HUGE > > >> > ACHEIVEMENT FOR THE JYOTISH WORLD WHERE ONE HAS A SYSTEM > > >> ABIDING BY > > >> THE > > >> > CLASSICS AND AN INTEGRAL PART OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY. IF YOU > ARE > > >> TRYING TO > > >> > DISSUADE NEW LEARNERS OF JYOTISH TO LEARN SUCH A GEM OF A > SYSTEM > > >> WITHOUT > > >> > FIRST EXPERIENCING IT FIRST HAND THAT WOULD NOT BE GOOD > SERVICE TO > > >> > JYOTISH SHASTRA." (your words). If this does not infer > that the > > >> system > > >> > is superior to the Parashara system, perhaps my grasp of > the > > >> English > > >> > language is not as good as yours. > > >> > > > >> > About whether I have bothered to understand the system, > please > > >> find > > >> out > > >> > the list of members of the relevant list and then comment. > You > > >> will > > >> be > > >> > surprised. If you want others to learn a system that you > like > > >> it is > > >> all > > >> > right with me. However every argument being based on other > systems > > >> > having been corrupt are difficult to stomacha. If as you > say the > > >> system > > >> > is the only pure version available of the ancient texts, > why not > > >> quote > > >> > original shlokas? I do not think that any worksheet (the > only > > >> argument I > > >> > have seen offered from your side) exhisted in those days or > > >> even 20 > > >> > years back in India. > > >> > > > >> > I am certain you will again try to attribute different > meaning to > > >> what I > > >> > have said above. Just to illustrate where the system you > are > > >> advocating > > >> > has its focus, try to find out why 10th and 6th house are > of prime > > >> > importance there. > > >> > Chandrashekhar. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Ash wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > >> > > > > >> > > No where have I ever said that any system is superior to > > >> another. > > >> > > This is your inference. > > >> > > > > >> > > First thing. Have you bothered to read the write up on > the > > >> worksheet > > >> > > and how its derived. Based on that you can give your > expert > > >> > > comments. If you havent read it and are just going by > your > > >> > > assumptions this conversation will get no where. > > >> > > > > >> > > Secondly I am not trying to show anyone down or saying > anything > > >> is > > >> > > superior or inferior. KAS has been discolosed to the > world and > > >> with > > >> > > that one can time events very precicely. For that and to > > >> understand > > >> > > how one has to experience it and then one can comment on > if > > >> something > > >> > > is right or wrong. > > >> > > > > >> > > My assumption from this entire conversation is that you > have not > > >> tried > > >> > > to understand KAS and just holding on to the limited > texts on > > >> > > Ashtakvarga that is available and passing judgements and > > >> proclaiming > > >> > > that the use of Ashtakvarga is for transits as said by > the texts > > >> and I > > >> > > am trying to get people away from such an understanding. > > >> > > > > >> > > The point where this conversation stands is before > passing any > > >> > > judgement one must experience it first. Try it on > various > > >> charts > > >> and > > >> > > try to understand the theory. For that one needs to > keep an > > >> open > > >> > > mind and one must be encouraged. So many new students > are there > > >> who > > >> > > can benefit and learn how to time events using KAS. > > >> > > > > >> > > Rest of the answers in CAPS. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Dear Ash, > > >> > > I have never said that the system of strength used > by me is > > >> > > consistent. > > >> > > > > >> > > ASH : YOU HAD SAID THAT JU IS WEAKER THAN SA FOR 7TH > > >> HOUSE. I > > >> > > HAVE SAID THAT AS PER THE WORKSHEET BOTH ARE WEAK > BUT IF ONE > > >> WANTS > > >> > > TO GET TO THE NITTY GRITTY THEN JU IS STRONGER THAN > SA BY 1 > > >> > > BINDU. THIS IS THE OVERALL EFFECT. I AM SAYING > THAT THIS > > >> WILL BE > > >> > > CONSISTENT FOR ALL PERSONS USING KAS. SO LETS CLOSE > ON THIS > > >> > > POINT. AS FAR AS CONSISTENCY IS CONCERNED. HERE THE > > >> READERS > > >> CAN > > >> > > SEE FOR THEMSELVES UPON APPLICATION OF KAS. > > >> > > > > >> > > If you want to ascribe what has not been said, I > think others > > >> > > reading the discussion can draw their own > conclusions. > > >> > > > > >> > > ASH : ABSOLUTELY. THAT IS WHY YOU AND ME HAVE TAKEN > THIS > > >> MUCH > > >> > > PAIN TO GO THROUGH THIS DEBATE. I REALLY HOPE > PEOPLE TRY TO > > >> > > UNDERSTAND BOTH STANDS. > > >> > > > > >> > > I had already explained how strength of Saturn was > arrived > > >> at in > > >> > > my original mail to Lakshmi. None barring you has so > far > > >> found > > >> > > fault with it.So either you have not read the mail > or you > > >> have not > > >> > > understood the parameters used. > > >> > > > > >> > > ASH : I HAVE READ THE MAIL. AT THE END OF THE DAY > AS PER > > >> KAS > > >> BOTH > > >> > > ARE WEAK. YOU CAN SEE THE STRENGTH OF GURU AND > SHANI FOR ALL > > >> > > HOUSES. THIS DISUCSION WAS ONLY FOR 7TH HOUSE AND > FOR THAT > > >> BOTH > > >> > > ARE WEAK I.E. BOTH SA AND JU HAVE POINTS LESS THAN > 12 AS PER > > >> > > THE WORKSHEET AND IT MEANS BOTH ARE WEAK. JUST FOR > THE > > >> READERS IF > > >> > > POINTS ARE < 12 IN THE WORKSHEET IT MEANS THAT > PLANETS > > >> ARE NOT > > >> > > CONDUSIVE FOR THE BENEFIC RESULT OF THAT HOUSE. > THIS CAN BE > > >> SEEN > > >> > > IN A NUMERICAL MANNER. > > >> > > > > >> > > If you want to say that your system is superior to > what has > > >> been > > >> > > taught by Parashara and other Acharyas, that is your > opinion. > > >> > > > > >> > > ASH : THIS IS YOUR ASSUMPTION. NO WHERE I HAVE SAID > IN ANY > > >> EMAIL > > >> > > THAT ANYTHING IS SUPERIOR OR INFERIOR. INFACT I AM > SAYING > > >> THAT > > >> > > VARAHARMIRA AND PARSASARA HAVE BOTH TAUGHT > ASHTAKAVARGA BUT > > >> THE > > >> > > SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS IS NOT GIVEN WHICH IS WHAT HAS > BEEN > > >> BROUGHT > > >> > > FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI. SO INFACT THIS IS A HUGE > ACHEIVEMENT > > >> FOR > > >> > > THE JYOTISH WORLD WHERE ONE HAS A SYSTEM ABIDING BY > THE > > >> CLASSICS > > >> > > AND AN INTEGRAL PART OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY. IF YOU ARE > > >> TRYING TO > > >> > > DISSUADE NEW LEARNERS OF JYOTISH TO LEARN SUCH A GEM > OF A > > >> SYSTEM > > >> > > WITHOUT FIRST EXPERIENCING IT FIRST HAND THAT WOULD > NOT BE > > >> GOOD > > >> > > SERVICE TO JYOTISH SHASTRA. > > >> > > > > >> > > I AM VERY SURE OF ONE THING. IF STUDENTS OF JYOTISH > SHASTRA > > >> > > ACTUALLY KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND TRY TO GRASP THE > ESSENCE > > >> OF KAS > > >> > > THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TIME EVENTS AND GET CONFIDENCE > IN > > >> JYOTISH > > >> > > SHASTRA. SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT FIRST YOU TRY THE > SYSTEM > > >> IF YOU > > >> > > HAVENT ALREADY AND THEN MAKE A JUDGEMENT. > > >> > > > > >> > > In so far as consistency is concerned, as far as I > know I > > >> have > > >> > > applied the principles given consistently. If I may > point > > >> out, it > > >> > > is you who equated Navamsha strength with Rasi > strength. > > >> > > > > >> > > ASH : PLEASE DONT BELITTLE ANY TECHNIQUE WITHOUT > FULLY > > >> > > UNDERSTNADING IT. THIS IS NOT RIGHT. THERE ARE 35 > LESSONS > > >> GIVEN > > >> > > THIS FAR. MY SUGGESTION TO YOU AND REQUEST TO YOU > IS GO > > >> THOUGH > > >> > > THEM AND APPLY THEM ON SEVERAL CHARTS AND THEN TRY TO > > >> UNDERSTAND > > >> > > WHAT I HAVE TRIED TO SAY. YOU ALREADY KNOW YOUR > SYSTEM SO > > >> WHATS > > >> > > THE HARM IN KEEP AN OPEN MIND. > > >> > > > > >> > > BY SAYING GURU SPOILS THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN IS A > HUGE STEP > > >> AND > > >> > > YOU KNOW THAT FOR PEOPLE TO ACCEPT. FOR YOU > YOURSELF WOULD > > >> EXPECT > > >> > > PEOPLE TO KEEP ASIDE PRECONCEPTIONS AND NOTIONS AND > TRY TO > > >> > > UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU HAVE SAID ISNT THAT SO ? SAME > THING I AM > > >> > > SAYING TO YOU. > > >> > > > > >> > > Again the worksheet being the sole argument being > > >> advanced by > > >> you > > >> > > discussion on Vedic Astrology principles is not > possible. If > > >> > > different arguments are advanced every time under the > > >> garb of > > >> a > > >> > > different system and reference to original thread is > given a > > >> go by > > >> > > nothing can be achieved. This is why I had said that > > >> discussion > > >> > > will be futile. > > >> > > > > >> > > ASH : THIS IS MY LAST POST ON THIS TOPIC. THERE IS > NOTHING > > >> NEW. > > >> > > THE LESSONS HAVENT CHANGED SINCE THE TIME THIS > DISCUSSION > > >> STARTED > > >> > > AS YOU CLAIM THAT EACH TIME THERE IS SOMETHING NEW > IN THE > > >> GARB OF > > >> > > A NEW SYSTEM. SYSTEM IS SAME AND LESSONS ARE SAME > AND 35 > > >> LESSONS > > >> > > CANNOT BE DISCUSSED IN A FEW EMAIL EXCHANGES. FOR > THAT ONE > > >> HAS TO > > >> > > READ AND UNDERSTAND THE LESSONS FIRST AND MUST KEEP > AN OPEN > > >> MIND. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Before closing the discussion, I will give an > example of how > > >> you > > >> > > have changed stand to suit your viewpoint. On one > hand you > > >> said > > >> > > that Parashara's Ashtakavarga is corrupt and on the > other > > >> hand you > > >> > > want to take help of what Parashara has said about > who > > >> should > > >> use > > >> > > Ashtakavarga. > > >> > > > > >> > > ASH : I KEEP SAYING THAT THE BAV SCHEME GIVEN BY > PARASARA IS > > >> > > DIFFERENT AS COMPARED TO VARHARMRIAS. BOTH CANNOT BE > > >> DIFFERENT. > > >> > > PARASARAS VERSION HAS BECOME CORRUPT OVER TIME. > WHAT IS IT > > >> ABOUT > > >> > > WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN THAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND. > I HAVE > > >> NEVER > > >> > > SAID NOR CLAIMED THAT PARASARA DID NOT TEACH > ASHTAKAVARGA. > > >> THERE > > >> > > IS BIG DIFFERENCE. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Even here you have chosen to give only half of what > he has > > >> said. > > >> > > For record I shall write what he has said (hope your > > >> worksheet > > >> > > does not have another version of Parashari). To put > record > > >> > > straight it i9s not Parashara who has said what you > put > > >> in his > > >> > > mouth. It is Maitreya who says " *In Kaliyuga human > beings > > >> will > > >> > > become dull owing to their indulgence in sinful > deeds and > > >> > > therefore, be considerate and expound a system of > > >> science /for the > > >> > > persons who would be having slow perception /and > through > > >> which > > >> > > they could gain a clear knowledge about their > happiness, > > >> sorrows > > >> > > and longevity merely be delineating the position of > > >> planets in > > >> > > transi*t" > > >> > > > > >> > > ASH : I FAIL TO UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE > WORKSHEET > > >> HAVING > > >> > > A DIFFERENT VERSION OF PARASHARI. PLEASE READ MY > COMMENT > > >> ABOUT > > >> > > THE MISCONCEPTION THAT YOU HAVE GOT THAT I HAVE > CLEARED IN MY > > >> > > PREVIOUS POINT. > > >> > > > > >> > > ON A FINAL NOTE. BPHS AS WE HAVE IT TODAY IS NOT > > >> COMPLETE. > > >> FOR > > >> > > THIS PART YOU WERE SILENT AND DID NOT COMMENT WHEN I > HAVE > > >> ASKED U > > >> > > IN MY PREVIOUS MAIL. YOU BEING SO LEARNED MUST KNOW > THAT. > > >> > > > > >> > > THE KNOWLEGE OF ASHTAKAVARGA IS ALSO NOT COMPLETE > OTHERWISE > > >> THE > > >> > > VERSES THAT WAS IN THE OLD HAND WRITTEN BOOKS OF > KRUSHNAJIS > > >> GURU > > >> > > ON ASHTAKAVARGA WOULD BE FOUND IN SOME BOOK OR THE > OTHER AND > > >> SO > > >> > > WOULD THIS SYSTEM ALSO. > > >> > > > > >> > > SO LET US NOT CLOSE OUR EYES AND MINDS TO THIS > WONDERFUL > > >> TOOL > > >> AND > > >> > > A SYSTEM WHICH IS GIVING SUCH WONDERFUL RESULTS > DESPITE > > >> KNOWING > > >> > > AND BEING AWARE OF THE FACT ABOUT THE LOST CHAPTERS > OF BPHS > > >> AND > > >> > > MAYBE OTHER CLASSICS. > > >> > > > > >> > > Regards, > > >> > > Chandrashekhar > > >> > > > > >> > > CHEERS !!! > > >> > > > > >> > > ASH > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> -------------------------- -- > ----- > > >> ------ > > >> > > > > >> > > vote. <http://vote. > > >> <http://vote./>> - Register online to vote > > >> today! > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > >> > > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > >> > > >> ....... 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Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Dear Mukund, Venus is natural karak for marriage. It rules 2nd house in kal purush chart which is taurus. Venus also rules 8th house from 12th house i.e. libra and is also karak for pleasures. Functional karak is 2nd house based on the chart. If Scorpio is lagna then functional karak would be Guru and natural karak is Venus. Cheers !!! Ash vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote: > Hello Ash: > > Why would the 8th house from a house become the Karaka? The Karakas > are set in stone, i.e Venus is the karaka for marriage, etc. The > sages have already established the karakattatwa for various planets. > > Mukund > > vedic astrology, "ashsam73" <ashsam73> > wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > In vedic texts no where it is written that Dhanu rashi is called > > Saggitarius isnt it so ?. But people on this list still call it > > Saggitarius and its accepted as Vedic Astrology. You can also put > > forward an argument that Parasara has never said Saggitarius is > > Dhanu and no where in any scriptural reference is it called > > by "Saggitarius". But we adapt and its understood that when > someone > > says Saggitarius it means Dhanu. > > > > Your approach is that if something does not have backing of some > > shokes that is available in the limited pool of this antient sience > > as we know which is not complete its hard for you to digest despite > > the fact you know it works. > > > > For me it does not matter who wrote the shokes or how or where it > was > > found. For me I have to see something has to work and work > > consistently. If it does it worth a million shokes. > > > > Mistakes everyone makes as no one can learn to walk without falling > > first and that a part of learning but its not because system does > not > > work. Its infact Krushnaji who encouraged me to make mistakes and > > told me thats the way I will learn as once u make a mistake the > next > > time one will remember why the person made the mistake and will not > > repeat it. Thats also the way finer things about KAS system will > come > > out. No 2 charts are same. So I am not afraid to make mistakes. > > > > Now Logic dictates that if something works then whatever is taught > is > > proper. Now just because you cannot find the shokes in the limited > > texts that its available to you cannot be the basis to disregard it > > in my opinion. If you do that then one will be stuck in the > limited > > pool of information and never try to look beyond and always in the > > garb of saying that its not given in any scripture or not supported > > by any scriptures. I would agree with that approach IF the > > scriptures were complete. > > > > That to me is common sense. But just to say that despite something > > working and one is not able to find sholokes and asking me again > and > > again to support your pallete and approach is in my opinion a > futile > > task. As to me what matters is something works and works > > consistently. > > > > As per KAS 8th house from a house is called KARAK. You can choose > to > > call it House A, 2nd from lagna, KARAK or whatever you would like > as > > long as u understand it. > > > > For me 8th house from a house is called KARAK or we call it House > A. > > 5th house from the house under focus is called House C. 10th from > a > > house under focus is called D and 6th from a house under focus is > > called House E and the use under focus is called B. > > > > I am not going to sit here and argue about the method MY TEACHER > has > > chosen to teach just because you like it to be called in a certain > > way or sanskrit terms. Many students who learn KAS might not even > > know english or just a little bit of English. Just because you > know > > good Sanskrit and English and other languages it does not mean > that > > all know and can follow the same. > > > > If you also see on website Donna has created, Margarita has taken > > pains to convert the lessons into French so that this knowledge can > > spread. Denis and Alain Poinsot have converted the worksheet into > > French so that it helps people from other non English / > > Sanskrit/Hindi/Marathi etc countries so that this knowlege of Vedic > > Astrology and KAS spreads. > > > > You cannot judge the way others teach or how they teach. If one is > > willing to learn then he must abide by the way his teacher chooses > to > > teach. Isnt that vedic culture ? > > > > If one uses 12 houses, nakshatras, graha dristi, ashtakavarga, > > vimshottari dasha all sound principles as given by Maharishis. > Isnt > > that vedic astrology ? > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > <boxdel> > > wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > I note your saying that it is hard for me to stomach what you > have > > said. > > > I will tell you why. You have not made any remarks about the > > shlokas. I > > > do not understand why this hesitance since you claim that the > > system is > > > Vedic Astrology. You have also, not commented about mention of > > wrong > > > names of even sages in the lessons of KAS. You have also chosen > not > > to > > > comment on the portion from the lesson posted. Do I understand > that > > the > > > position about beneficence or malfeasance of planets has now been > > > changed ? If so why? If this is Vedic astrology why refer to > house > > > aspected as C or D or anything else rather than give them their > > proper > > > names in accordance with Vedic Astrology? If Vedic Astrology then > > how > > > can the defined aspects of Jupiter be changed? You say: > > > "I HAVE ALSO GONE ON TO COMMENT THAT FROM KAS VIEW POINT ALSO > MARS > > WILL > > > NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE THE RESULT OF THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN AS MARS > > > ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE LOCATED AND 8TH HOUSE IS KARAK > AS > > PER > > > TERMINOLOGY. " > > > Since when is a house itself a Karaka in Vedic Astrology terms? > > Could > > > you quote at least one shloka, from any known text on Vedic > > Astrology, > > > saying this? If that is also a "secret-unrevealed" how does one > > take the > > > statement about the system being Vedic Astrology to be right? > > Should > > > that not be possible, It is difficult to believe Vedic Astrology > > origin > > > of the system. If this is not Vedic Astrology then how can one > hold > > > discussions in a rational manner, on a list devoted to Vedic > > Astrology? > > > This is why I said it would be futile to carry on this > discussion. > > > Unless texts are quoted in support of theories advanced or at > least > > > similar observations from standard texts quoted, I do not see any > > point > > > in carrying on this discussion. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Ash wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > You have quoted > > > > > > > > " For the knowledge of all I am pasting below the last > paragraph > > of > > > > that lesson, which will confirm that even your own system > > confirms > > > > that Saturn does not give malefic effects for the house it is > > placed > > > > in. The lesson also says that Jupiter with more Bindus gives > > malefic > > > > aspect. Your argument has been that Jupiter with more bindu is > a > > > > Benefic in all 12 bhavas." > > > > > > > > ASH : I HAVE TOLD YOU RIGHT IN THE BEGINING THAT I AGREE WITH > > YOUR > > > > ORIGINAL POINT AND MY DISCUSSION WAS NOT ON THE BASIC THREAD > > ABOUT > > > > GURU SPOILING THE RESULT. > > > > > > > > I HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU MY STAND THAT IF THE SAME IS SEEN FROM > > KAS > > > > VIEW POINT GURU WILL ASPECT HOUSE C OR ONE OF THE PRIMARY > > SIGNIFICATOR > > > > HOUSES AND THEREBY ITSELF WILL BE UNABLE TO GIVE THE RESULT AND > > ITS > > > > SAMDHARMI WILL GIVE. SUCH THINGS ARE ALL PART OF KAS AND THERE > > WAS > > > > NOTHING TO DISCUSS. ITS OTHERS WHO HAVE A HARD TIME TO > STOMACH > > AS > > > > YOU HAVE SAID AND SUCH THINGS AS MY POINTS ON ASHTAKAVARGA ARE > > HARD > > > > FOR YOU TO STOMACH. > > > > > > > > IN THAT MAIL IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT I HAVE ALSO SAID THAT > > SHANI IF > > > > IT HAS POWER AS PER THE WORKSHEET AND IF DELAY IS OVER AND BY > > THAT I > > > > MEAN COMBINED OR WORKSHEET STRENGTH OF > 12 THEN ITSELF CAN > GIVE > > > > RESULT AS SHANI ITSELF DOES NOT ASPECT ANY PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR > > > > HOUSES. I HAVE ALSO GONE ON TO COMMENT THAT FROM KAS VIEW > POINT > > ALSO > > > > MARS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE THE RESULT OF THE HOUSE ITS > PLACED > > IN AS > > > > MARS ASPECTS 8TH HOUSE FROM THE HOUSE LOCATED AND 8TH HOUSE IS > > KARAK > > > > AS PER TERMINOLOGY. OFCOUSE THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS BUT I AM > > TALKING IN > > > > GENERAL CASE. > > > > > > > > I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT GURU WITH MORE POINTS IS BENEFIC FOR ALL > > 12 > > > > HOUSE !!! THERE MUST BE SOME MISUNDERTANDING. > > > > > > > > IF AS PER WORKSHEET IF GURU HAS MORE THAN 12 POINTS FOR ALL 12 > > HOUSES > > > > THEN SUCH A GURU WILL GIVE BENEFIC RESULT FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. > > > > AGAIN WE SHOULD ALSO KEEP IN MIND ABOUT THE POINT ABOUT GURU > > ASPECTING > > > > PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES ETC ETC. > > > > > > > > WORKSHEET GIVES FINAL STRENGH OF PLANET. WHAT YOU HAVE TAKED > > ABOUT IS > > > > SAV. > > > > > > > > WORKSHEEET IS DERIVED FROM SAV. > > > > > > > > PLEASE REFER TO THE ORIGINAL MAIL IN WHICH I HAVE GIVEN THE > > WORKSHEET > > > > OF RAMESH. I HAVE SAID CLEARLY THAT FOR 7TH HOSUE BOTH ARE > WEAK > > I.E > > > > GURU AND SHANI. THIS IS BASED ON WORKSHEET TOTAL POINTS. > TOTAL > > OF > > > > GURU = 11 AND THAT OF SHANI IS 10. THIS IS AND I EMPHASISE THE > > SUM OF > > > > ROW 17 IN THE WORKSHEET. > > > > > > > > FOR RAMESH GURU IS FAR STRONGER FOR 10TH HOUSE THAN SHANI. > THIS > > AGAIN > > > > IS BASED ON FINAL STRENGTH AS PER WORKSHEET. IN THE WORKSHEET > WE > > ARE > > > > TAKING COMBINED EFFECT OF ALL PLANETS AND THE ASPECTS. > > > > > > > > IF SA IS IN 5TH HOUSE AND SAY WITH 2 BINDUS THEN ITS ASPECT ON > > 7TH, > > > > 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE WILL BE WITH +6 [THIS PORTION YOU HAVE CUT > AND > > > > PASTED]. SO THE BASIC STRENGH OF SA WILL BE AS PER BAV I.E. > THE > > > > BINDUS THAT SA GETS FOR 7TH, 11TH AND 2ND HOUSE AND THEN ITS > OWN > > > > ASPECT ON PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR HOUSES WILL BE +18 I.E +6 FOR > 7TH, > > +6 > > > > ON 11 AND +6 ON 2ND. > > > > > > > > SO UNLESS THERE ARE A HOST OF PLANEST WITH > 4 BINDUS HAVING > > DIRECT > > > > ASPECT ON SHANI AND REDUCING ITS POINTS SHANI [AS THEY WILL > > ASPECT > > > > SHANI WITH A MALEFIC DRSITI AS PER THE PORITION THAT YOU HAVE > CUT > > AND > > > > PASTE] WILL BE VERY STRONG FOR 7TH HOUSE MATTERS. I AM NOT > > > > CONSIDERING EXCEPTIONS BUT TALKING OF GENERAL RULE. > > > > > > > > PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE SAV WITH FINAL WORKSHEET WHICH I HAVE > SEEN > > YOU > > > > DO IN OUR DISCUSSIONS. IN THE FINAL WORKSHEET THE PLANETS CAN > > GET > > > > MORE THAN 8 POINTS. IN SAV THE PLANET CAN GET MAX 8 BINDUS AND > > THAT > > > > IS BY LAGNA AND 7 PLANETS. PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE DIFFERENT > > ASPECTS OF > > > > THE SYSTEM. IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THE NITTY AND GRITTY OF KAS > > WE CAN > > > > DO IT ON KAS LIST AND STOP USING THE BANDWIDTH OF VA LIST. > > > > > > > > THERE IS NO MIS REPRESENTATION. PLEASE READ THE OTHER CHAPTERS > > AND > > > > WHEN YOU STUDY THE WORKSHEET YOU WILL UNDERSTAND HOW PLANETS > GET > > THE > > > > POINTS AND HOW THE PORTION GIVEN BY YOU IN THIS MAIL IS USED. > > > > > > > > THIS IS THE BASICS OF KAS. > > > > > > > > HAVE U STUDIED THE ARCHIVES OF THE LIST. YOU WILL SEE THAT > AFTER > > THE > > > > INITIAL LESSON WAS GIVEN THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON EACH > > AND > > > > EVERY LESSON AND FINER POINTS AND ALL QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED > BY > > SHRI > > > > KRUSHNAJI WHICH AND WERE ALSO INCORPORATED IN THE LESSONS TO > > REMOVE > > > > ANY CONFUSION AND HENCE LABELED AS REVISED AS THEY WERE A > > > > RIVISION FROM THE ORIGINAL VERSION AS TYPED BY KRUSHNAJI. I > HOPE > > THAT > > > > CLARIFIES YOUR QUESTION ON WHY THINGS ARE LABELLED AS REVISED. > > > > > > > > > > > > I AGREE WITH YOU ON YOUR LAST POINT. TO HAVE RATIONAL > DISCUSSION > > ON A > > > > SUBJECT ONE MUST HAVE GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF A SYSTEM ONE IS > > DEBATING > > > > ON. IN MY OPINION YOU HAVE FAILED TO GRASP THE ESSENCE OF THE > > POWER > > > > SHOWED BY THE WORKSHEET. MAYBE ONCE YOU STUDY THE LESSONS ON > > > > WORKSHEET AND HOW ITS COMPUTED USING THE PORTION YOU HAVE CUT > AND > > > > PASTE MAYBE YOU WILL UNDERTSAND WHAT I HAVE SAID. > > > > > > > > > > > > CHEERS !!! > > > > ASH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > I am aware how the worksheet was created. The reference was > in > > > > context of your advancing the argument that since work > sheet > > shows > > > > a particular number it is the only correct position and not > > giving > > > > any text reference to the argument advanced. You even chose > > to say > > > > that there is inconsistency in Parashara's method of > assessing > > > > strength of planets. If my memory serves me right, the > entire > > > > discussion started with the dictum of Jupiter harming the > > place he > > > > occupies and Saturn protecting the same. For reasons best > > known t > > > > you, you chose to divert it to timing of events and then > went > > on > > > > calling every system being corrupt but that advanced by you. > > > > > > > > I had many times said that I do not mind which system one > > follows > > > > if one thinks it right. But carrying a serious discussion > > thread > > > > to a direction it was not aimed at and then advancing > > arguments > > > > with support of standard texts is a bit too much. When none > > of the > > > > parameters accepted by all the Vedic astrologers including > > > > Varahamihira , whose texts by your own declaration have not > > been > > > > corrupted, are considered in the system and yet you want to > > call > > > > it a Vedic Astrology in purest form is something very > > confusing. > > > > > > > > I am certain if you show the entire argument thread to > > Krushna, he > > > > too will agree to the soundness of the arguments advanced me > > > > within the parameters prescribed by Vedic Astrology. > > > > > > > > In so far as reading the Lessons are concerned, would you > > care to > > > > explain as to why so many lessons had to be revised when the > > > > system is derived from some hidden and not available to > > anybody > > > > knowledge. the shlokas you are telling me to look at > mention > > > > wrong reference to names of Authors except Jataka > Parijatakar. > > > > You were reluctant to accept that these are available when > I > > gave > > > > you the other texts in which information on Ashtakavarga is > > given > > > > at length. Even the Granthas from which the shlokas are > taken > > are > > > > not named. You also talked disparagingly about commentators > > in an > > > > earlier mail. Now I see why, Bhattotpal who haas written a > > > > commentary on Varahamihira's Brihat Jataka is mentioned in > you > > > > lesson as the original Acharya who has written Brihat > Jataka. > > > > > > > > This does not deduct from the contribution of Bhattotpal, I > am > > > > just mentioning the fact to show how your views are biased > > without > > > > due consideration to the basis of your own favored system. > > For the > > > > knowledge of all I am pasting below the last paragraph of > that > > > > lesson, which will confirm that even your own system > confirms > > that > > > > Saturn does not give malefic effects for the house it is > > placed > > > > in. The lesson also says that Jupiter with more Bindus gives > > > > malefic aspect. Your argument has been that Jupiter with > more > > > > bindu is a Benefic in all 12 bhavas. > > > > > > > > *"The Late Shri K.S. Krishanamurti, founder of K.P. > Paddhat, > > also > > > > agrees that the planets do not give the results as per their > > > > natural natures. In reference to Jupiter, he states that it > > has > > > > lost its benefic power in the era of Kalyuga and that he has > > > > experienced the malefic effects of Jupiter firsthand. But > in > > spite > > > > of Kalyuga, I tend to disagree. It is the effect of the > points > > > > that it receives in its own place that truly makes the > > difference. > > > > An aspect of Jupiter with more points is always malefic. > The > > same > > > > rule applies to all planets. With reference to Saturn, > > > > Krishnamurti says it gives malefic effects based on the > > > > constellation in which it resides. Perhaps, if he would > have > > come > > > > across the Ashtakavarga system first, his whole theory > would > > have > > > > been quite different. " > > > > > > > > Since you have all along been saying that Jupiter will be > > stronger > > > > than Saturn having 4 bindus as against 1 of Saturn and > think I > > > > have not understood your system, let me reproduce below what > > > > Krushna has said in Lesson 3 and effects overall of the > > planets. > > > > Let the others who are watching our discussions decide what > > is the > > > > right position under your system. > > > > MALEFIC AND BENEFIC PLANETARY ASPECTS TABLE > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > 2 > > > > 3 > > > > MAXIMUM POINTS ALLOWED IN HOUSE BENEFIC POINTS ACQUIRED > BY > > THE > > > > PLANET ITS EFFECT IN THE HOUSE WHERE IT > > > > > > 4 > > > > 5 > > > > IS THE OPPOSITE ASPECT THAT IT CREATES AND ITS > > > > FINAL EFFECT > > > > _1 2 3 > > > > 4 5_ > > > > > > > > 8 0 Malefic by -8 Plus > > 8 > > > > Benefic > > > > 8 1 Malefic by -7 Plus > > 7 > > > > Benefic > > > > 8 2 Malefic by -6 Plus > > 6 > > > > Benefic > > > > 8 3 Malefic by -5 Plus > > 5 > > > > Benefic > > > > > > > > 8 4 NEUTRAL WITH 4 NEUTRAL WITH 4 NEUTRAL WITH 4 > > > > > > > > 8 5 Benefic by +5 Minus > > 5 > > > > Malefic > > > > 8 6 Benefic by +6 Minus > > 6 > > > > Malefic > > > > 8 7 Benefic by +7 Minus > > 7 > > > > Malefic > > > > 8 8 Benefic by +8 Minus > > 8 > > > > Malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > I do not wish to extend the argument further as there is no > > point > > > > when, even with a different system, one chooses to > > misrepresent > > > > what has been said in that system to advance one's > argument. > > No > > > > one can have a rational discussion in this manner. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > >> Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > >> > > > >> I shall try once again to explain rather than get personal. > > > >> > > > >> If you are using Jaganatha Hora Software please go to > > Preference, > > > >> Related to Calculation, Ashtakavarga Calculation > Preferences. > > > >> > > > >> Please carefully read what the Author of the software has > > written in > > > >> the setting response box about the check boxes. > > > >> > > > >> I am quoting whats written. > > > >> > > > >> "If you want to use Parasara's definitions, check all the > > options > > > >> below" > > > >> > > > >> "If you want to use Varharamira's definitions, uncheck all > > the > > > >> options below". > > > >> > > > >> I am saying that its not possible to have a different > scheme > > and > > > >> either one of the schemes has got corrupt over time. I > > recon its > > > >> Parasaras that has got corrupt. > > > >> > > > >> There is nothing about being superior or inferior. I keep > > saying > > > >> this part again and again and you keep thinking that I am > > comparing > > > >> and saying one is superior and other is inferior. > > > >> > > > >> I think it will now be clear that Parasaras BAV scheme is > > different > > > >> from Varharmiras. > > > >> > > > >> KAS uses Varharmiras scheme. > > > >> > > > >> The worksheet in Excel did not exist 20 years back. > > > >> > > > >> If you have claimed to have studied the lessons then how > is > > it that > > > >> you have not observed that a lesson on casting the > worksheet > > > >> manually > > > >> has been given. Lesson 7. > > > >> > > > >> I think pen and paper existed 20 years back. Worksheet is > a > > term I > > > >> use as Sanjay Jaggia has made a worksheet to help make all > > these > > > >> computations easy. > > > >> > > > >> About the point of Quoting shokes is your style of doing > > things. If > > > >> you had bothered to read the lessons you would not have > > asked me > > > >> this > > > >> question. Have you read lesson 2. Sanskrit shloks that > you > > have > > > >> asked for are given there. > > > >> > > > >> Thanking you, > > > >> Cheers !!! > > > >> Ash > > > >> > > > >> vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > > <boxdel> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > Dear Ash, > > > >> > I do not understand what you mean by saying there is > > inconsistency > > > >> in > > > >> > the strength derived by the traditional system and > telling > > that > > > >> some > > > >> > other system by saying > > > >> > "I AM SAYING THAT VARAHARMIRA AND PARSASARA HAVE BOTH > > TAUGHT > > > >> > ASHTAKAVARGA BUT THE SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS IS NOT GIVEN > > WHICH IS > > > >> WHAT > > > >> > HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI. SO INFACT THIS > IS > > A HUGE > > > >> > ACHEIVEMENT FOR THE JYOTISH WORLD WHERE ONE HAS A SYSTEM > > > >> ABIDING BY > > > >> THE > > > >> > CLASSICS AND AN INTEGRAL PART OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY. IF > YOU > > ARE > > > >> TRYING TO > > > >> > DISSUADE NEW LEARNERS OF JYOTISH TO LEARN SUCH A GEM OF > A > > SYSTEM > > > >> WITHOUT > > > >> > FIRST EXPERIENCING IT FIRST HAND THAT WOULD NOT BE GOOD > > SERVICE TO > > > >> > JYOTISH SHASTRA." (your words). If this does not infer > > that the > > > >> system > > > >> > is superior to the Parashara system, perhaps my grasp of > > the > > > >> English > > > >> > language is not as good as yours. > > > >> > > > > >> > About whether I have bothered to understand the system, > > please > > > >> find > > > >> out > > > >> > the list of members of the relevant list and then > comment. > > You > > > >> will > > > >> be > > > >> > surprised. If you want others to learn a system that you > > like > > > >> it is > > > >> all > > > >> > right with me. However every argument being based on > other > > systems > > > >> > having been corrupt are difficult to stomacha. If as you > > say the > > > >> system > > > >> > is the only pure version available of the ancient texts, > > why not > > > >> quote > > > >> > original shlokas? I do not think that any worksheet (the > > only > > > >> argument I > > > >> > have seen offered from your side) exhisted in those days > or > > > >> even 20 > > > >> > years back in India. > > > >> > > > > >> > I am certain you will again try to attribute different > > meaning to > > > >> what I > > > >> > have said above. Just to illustrate where the system you > > are > > > >> advocating > > > >> > has its focus, try to find out why 10th and 6th house > are > > of prime > > > >> > importance there. > > > >> > Chandrashekhar. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Ash wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > >> > > > > > >> > > No where have I ever said that any system is superior > to > > > >> another. > > > >> > > This is your inference. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > First thing. Have you bothered to read the write up > on > > the > > > >> worksheet > > > >> > > and how its derived. Based on that you can give your > > expert > > > >> > > comments. If you havent read it and are just going by > > your > > > >> > > assumptions this conversation will get no where. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Secondly I am not trying to show anyone down or saying > > anything > > > >> is > > > >> > > superior or inferior. KAS has been discolosed to the > > world and > > > >> with > > > >> > > that one can time events very precicely. For that and > to > > > >> understand > > > >> > > how one has to experience it and then one can comment > on > > if > > > >> something > > > >> > > is right or wrong. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > My assumption from this entire conversation is that > you > > have not > > > >> tried > > > >> > > to understand KAS and just holding on to the limited > > texts on > > > >> > > Ashtakvarga that is available and passing judgements > and > > > >> proclaiming > > > >> > > that the use of Ashtakvarga is for transits as said by > > the texts > > > >> and I > > > >> > > am trying to get people away from such an > understanding. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > The point where this conversation stands is before > > passing any > > > >> > > judgement one must experience it first. Try it on > > various > > > >> charts > > > >> and > > > >> > > try to understand the theory. For that one needs to > > keep an > > > >> open > > > >> > > mind and one must be encouraged. So many new students > > are there > > > >> who > > > >> > > can benefit and learn how to time events using KAS. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Rest of the answers in CAPS. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Dear Ash, > > > >> > > I have never said that the system of strength used > > by me is > > > >> > > consistent. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ASH : YOU HAD SAID THAT JU IS WEAKER THAN SA FOR > 7TH > > > >> HOUSE. I > > > >> > > HAVE SAID THAT AS PER THE WORKSHEET BOTH ARE WEAK > > BUT IF ONE > > > >> WANTS > > > >> > > TO GET TO THE NITTY GRITTY THEN JU IS STRONGER > THAN > > SA BY 1 > > > >> > > BINDU. THIS IS THE OVERALL EFFECT. I AM SAYING > > THAT THIS > > > >> WILL BE > > > >> > > CONSISTENT FOR ALL PERSONS USING KAS. SO LETS > CLOSE > > ON THIS > > > >> > > POINT. AS FAR AS CONSISTENCY IS CONCERNED. HERE > THE > > > >> READERS > > > >> CAN > > > >> > > SEE FOR THEMSELVES UPON APPLICATION OF KAS. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > If you want to ascribe what has not been said, I > > think others > > > >> > > reading the discussion can draw their own > > conclusions. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ASH : ABSOLUTELY. THAT IS WHY YOU AND ME HAVE > TAKEN > > THIS > > > >> MUCH > > > >> > > PAIN TO GO THROUGH THIS DEBATE. I REALLY HOPE > > PEOPLE TRY TO > > > >> > > UNDERSTAND BOTH STANDS. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I had already explained how strength of Saturn > was > > arrived > > > >> at in > > > >> > > my original mail to Lakshmi. None barring you has > so > > far > > > >> found > > > >> > > fault with it.So either you have not read the mail > > or you > > > >> have not > > > >> > > understood the parameters used. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ASH : I HAVE READ THE MAIL. AT THE END OF THE DAY > > AS PER > > > >> KAS > > > >> BOTH > > > >> > > ARE WEAK. YOU CAN SEE THE STRENGTH OF GURU AND > > SHANI FOR ALL > > > >> > > HOUSES. THIS DISUCSION WAS ONLY FOR 7TH HOUSE AND > > FOR THAT > > > >> BOTH > > > >> > > ARE WEAK I.E. BOTH SA AND JU HAVE POINTS LESS THAN > > 12 AS PER > > > >> > > THE WORKSHEET AND IT MEANS BOTH ARE WEAK. JUST > FOR > > THE > > > >> READERS IF > > > >> > > POINTS ARE < 12 IN THE WORKSHEET IT MEANS THAT > > PLANETS > > > >> ARE NOT > > > >> > > CONDUSIVE FOR THE BENEFIC RESULT OF THAT HOUSE. > > THIS CAN BE > > > >> SEEN > > > >> > > IN A NUMERICAL MANNER. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > If you want to say that your system is superior to > > what has > > > >> been > > > >> > > taught by Parashara and other Acharyas, that is > your > > opinion. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ASH : THIS IS YOUR ASSUMPTION. NO WHERE I HAVE > SAID > > IN ANY > > > >> EMAIL > > > >> > > THAT ANYTHING IS SUPERIOR OR INFERIOR. INFACT I > AM > > SAYING > > > >> THAT > > > >> > > VARAHARMIRA AND PARSASARA HAVE BOTH TAUGHT > > ASHTAKAVARGA BUT > > > >> THE > > > >> > > SYSTEM TO TIME EVENTS IS NOT GIVEN WHICH IS WHAT > HAS > > BEEN > > > >> BROUGHT > > > >> > > FORWARD BY KRUSHNAJI. SO INFACT THIS IS A HUGE > > ACHEIVEMENT > > > >> FOR > > > >> > > THE JYOTISH WORLD WHERE ONE HAS A SYSTEM ABIDING > BY > > THE > > > >> CLASSICS > > > >> > > AND AN INTEGRAL PART OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY. IF YOU > ARE > > > >> TRYING TO > > > >> > > DISSUADE NEW LEARNERS OF JYOTISH TO LEARN SUCH A > GEM > > OF A > > > >> SYSTEM > > > >> > > WITHOUT FIRST EXPERIENCING IT FIRST HAND THAT > WOULD > > NOT BE > > > >> GOOD > > > >> > > SERVICE TO JYOTISH SHASTRA. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I AM VERY SURE OF ONE THING. IF STUDENTS OF > JYOTISH > > SHASTRA > > > >> > > ACTUALLY KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND TRY TO GRASP THE > > ESSENCE > > > >> OF KAS > > > >> > > THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TIME EVENTS AND GET > CONFIDENCE > > IN > > > >> JYOTISH > > > >> > > SHASTRA. SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT FIRST YOU TRY > THE > > SYSTEM > > > >> IF YOU > > > >> > > HAVENT ALREADY AND THEN MAKE A JUDGEMENT. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > In so far as consistency is concerned, as far as I > > know I > > > >> have > > > >> > > applied the principles given consistently. If I > may > > point > > > >> out, it > > > >> > > is you who equated Navamsha strength with Rasi > > strength. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ASH : PLEASE DONT BELITTLE ANY TECHNIQUE WITHOUT > > FULLY > > > >> > > UNDERSTNADING IT. THIS IS NOT RIGHT. THERE ARE > 35 > > LESSONS > > > >> GIVEN > > > >> > > THIS FAR. MY SUGGESTION TO YOU AND REQUEST TO YOU > > IS GO > > > >> THOUGH > > > >> > > THEM AND APPLY THEM ON SEVERAL CHARTS AND THEN TRY > TO > > > >> UNDERSTAND > > > >> > > WHAT I HAVE TRIED TO SAY. YOU ALREADY KNOW YOUR > > SYSTEM SO > > > >> WHATS > > > >> > > THE HARM IN KEEP AN OPEN MIND. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > BY SAYING GURU SPOILS THE HOUSE ITS PLACED IN IS A > > HUGE STEP > > > >> AND > > > >> > > YOU KNOW THAT FOR PEOPLE TO ACCEPT. FOR YOU > > YOURSELF WOULD > > > >> EXPECT > > > >> > > PEOPLE TO KEEP ASIDE PRECONCEPTIONS AND NOTIONS > AND > > TRY TO > > > >> > > UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU HAVE SAID ISNT THAT SO ? SAME > > THING I AM > > > >> > > SAYING TO YOU. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Again the worksheet being the sole argument being > > > >> advanced by > > > >> you > > > >> > > discussion on Vedic Astrology principles is not > > possible. If > > > >> > > different arguments are advanced every time under > the > > > >> garb of > > > >> a > > > >> > > different system and reference to original thread > is > > given a > > > >> go by > > > >> > > nothing can be achieved. This is why I had said > that > > > >> discussion > > > >> > > will be futile. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ASH : THIS IS MY LAST POST ON THIS TOPIC. THERE > IS > > NOTHING > > > >> NEW. > > > >> > > THE LESSONS HAVENT CHANGED SINCE THE TIME THIS > > DISCUSSION > > > >> STARTED > > > >> > > AS YOU CLAIM THAT EACH TIME THERE IS SOMETHING NEW > > IN THE > > > >> GARB OF > > > >> > > A NEW SYSTEM. SYSTEM IS SAME AND LESSONS ARE SAME > > AND 35 > > > >> LESSONS > > > >> > > CANNOT BE DISCUSSED IN A FEW EMAIL EXCHANGES. FOR > > THAT ONE > > > >> HAS TO > > > >> > > READ AND UNDERSTAND THE LESSONS FIRST AND MUST > KEEP > > AN OPEN > > > >> MIND. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Before closing the discussion, I will give an > > example of how > > > >> you > > > >> > > have changed stand to suit your viewpoint. On one > > hand you > > > >> said > > > >> > > that Parashara's Ashtakavarga is corrupt and on > the > > other > > > >> hand you > > > >> > > want to take help of what Parashara has said about > > who > > > >> should > > > >> use > > > >> > > Ashtakavarga. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ASH : I KEEP SAYING THAT THE BAV SCHEME GIVEN BY > > PARASARA IS > > > >> > > DIFFERENT AS COMPARED TO VARHARMRIAS. BOTH CANNOT > BE > > > >> DIFFERENT. > > > >> > > PARASARAS VERSION HAS BECOME CORRUPT OVER TIME. > > WHAT IS IT > > > >> ABOUT > > > >> > > WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN THAT IS SO HARD TO > UNDERSTAND. > > I HAVE > > > >> NEVER > > > >> > > SAID NOR CLAIMED THAT PARASARA DID NOT TEACH > > ASHTAKAVARGA. > > > >> THERE > > > >> > > IS BIG DIFFERENCE. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Even here you have chosen to give only half of > what > > he has > > > >> said. > > > >> > > For record I shall write what he has said (hope > your > > > >> worksheet > > > >> > > does not have another version of Parashari). To > put > > record > > > >> > > straight it i9s not Parashara who has said what > you > > put > > > >> in his > > > >> > > mouth. It is Maitreya who says " *In Kaliyuga > human > > beings > > > >> will > > > >> > > become dull owing to their indulgence in sinful > > deeds and > > > >> > > therefore, be considerate and expound a system of > > > >> science /for the > > > >> > > persons who would be having slow perception /and > > through > > > >> which > > > >> > > they could gain a clear knowledge about their > > happiness, > > > >> sorrows > > > >> > > and longevity merely be delineating the position of > > > >> planets in > > > >> > > transi*t" > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ASH : I FAIL TO UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE > > WORKSHEET > > > >> HAVING > > > >> > > A DIFFERENT VERSION OF PARASHARI. PLEASE READ MY > > COMMENT > > > >> ABOUT > > > >> > > THE MISCONCEPTION THAT YOU HAVE GOT THAT I HAVE > > CLEARED IN MY > > > >> > > PREVIOUS POINT. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ON A FINAL NOTE. BPHS AS WE HAVE IT TODAY IS NOT > > > >> COMPLETE. > > > >> FOR > > > >> > > THIS PART YOU WERE SILENT AND DID NOT COMMENT WHEN > I > > HAVE > > > >> ASKED U > > > >> > > IN MY PREVIOUS MAIL. YOU BEING SO LEARNED MUST > KNOW > > THAT. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > THE KNOWLEGE OF ASHTAKAVARGA IS ALSO NOT COMPLETE > > OTHERWISE > > > >> THE > > > >> > > VERSES THAT WAS IN THE OLD HAND WRITTEN BOOKS OF > > KRUSHNAJIS > > > >> GURU > > > >> > > ON ASHTAKAVARGA WOULD BE FOUND IN SOME BOOK OR THE > > OTHER AND > > > >> SO > > > >> > > WOULD THIS SYSTEM ALSO. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > SO LET US NOT CLOSE OUR EYES AND MINDS TO THIS > > WONDERFUL > > > >> TOOL > > > >> AND > > > >> > > A SYSTEM WHICH IS GIVING SUCH WONDERFUL RESULTS > > DESPITE > > > >> KNOWING > > > >> > > AND BEING AWARE OF THE FACT ABOUT THE LOST > CHAPTERS > > OF BPHS > > > >> AND > > > >> > > MAYBE OTHER CLASSICS. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Regards, > > > >> > > Chandrashekhar > > > >> > > > > > >> > > CHEERS !!! > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ASH > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ------------------------ -- > -- > > ----- > > > >> ------ > > > >> > > > > > >> > > vote. <http://vote. > > > >> <http://vote./>> - Register online to vote > > > >> today! > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Group info: vedic- > > astrology/info.html > > > >> > > > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > >> > > > >> ....... 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