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No doubt, Ashtakvarga(AV) has a vital importance in the hierarchy of vedic

astrology and can not be ignorged. I agree to the point that AV is often

misuderstood. But at the same time, considering AV as sum-and-substance of

vedic astrology and ignoring other elements may lead to misleading. If vedic

astrolgy hinges upon AV only then why enumerable jytish calssics laid down

results of yogas, vargas, various dashas, planetary returns, progression, and

strength criteria ?

 

I was gone through the mentioned Krushna's lessons some years ago. There are

some good predicting tips and technique, but at the same time I have my own

doubts on certain matters. Also there is not any astronomical foundation of

Krushna Ayanamsha.

 

Regards

M.Imran

 

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 > wrote:

Dear List Members,From my recent discussions I have understood that its not

possible to people to comphrehend that timing of events can be done without the

use of sign placements. One does not need to see if the planet is exalted or

debiliated to time events if they are using Ashtakavarga to find the strengh of

the planet. If anyone is interested in learning how to time events using

Ashtakavarga they can join the following

group./There are lessons

given in the file section that one can study and learn how to time events. One

will realise what I have said or tried to explain. For that one must keep and

open mind. One can start to see their own chart how things

have unfolded. You will realise that for finding timing of events you do not

have to bother with sign placements. Sign placements is used but for finding

out the "force" with wich the effect will be felt or how easily or with

difficulty the result will come. There is also a whole lesson on sign placement

and multiplcation factors that I keep mentioning. But the result itself can be

timed and u dont need sign placmement for it. From the limited texts that is

available on Ashtakavarga today, avid readers or texts are under the impression

that Ashtakavarga is to be used to judge logevity and for transits only. This

is absolutely incorrect and totally wrong. Please make no mistake about it.

By saying such things wrong things are being spread. To learn KAS one must

keep an open mind. If you use Ashtakavarga you do not even need to memorise

yogas. All such

things get convered directly or indirectly in SAV or worksheet. That is the

power of Ashtakavarga. Unfortunately whats being spread is wrong that the use

of Ashtakavarga is limited to longevity and transits. I dont blame people for

spreading what they know in their limited knowledge of texts available out

there on Ashtakavarga. For some lineage with who the knowledge of ashtakavarga

has been preserved and is taught it may be hard for people to digest as they are

so used to the way they have been taught how to predict and maybe have shut

their mind to accept any new ideas and concepts and a new way of thinking.Try

it out yourself and the proof of the pudding is in its eating thats all I can

say.I hope that I havent offended anyone as thats not my intention. If even a

few people understand what I have tried to say and try ashtakavarga or KAS on

their charts I will feel that my

effort is not in vain. The truth I am confident they will see on their

own.Cheers !!!AshArchives: vedic astrologyGroup

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Dear Imran,

 

Vedic Astrology does not hinge upon AV. AV is a part of Vedic

Astrology. Infact Ashtakavarga makes Vedic astrologer more clear.

As you have said Vedic Astrology lays down yogas, vargas and various

dashas. Now see the same from ashtakvarg perspective. Yogas are

covered by BAV and from BAV we derive at SAV. From SAV we add the

aspects, 4:10, upchaya houses, adjustment for 12th lord from house

under focus and 6th lord. We study aspects on planets and aspects of

planets on significator houses. So there is nothing different. All

yogas and their contras get covered as per KAS.

 

Nothing in Vedic Astrology as you call it is ignored. All factors

are considered when one uses a full system. I hope this answers your

query on Yogas as laid by the maharishis. Everything is covered and

the beauty of it is that you do not have to remember the names or

their contras. Its all covered. Hasnt this made a life a little

easy for all those who struggle with combinations and then their

contras ?

 

Second point you have talked about is Vargas. SAV is casted for each

and every Divisional chart. From SAV we also derive the worksheet

strength of each planet for each divisional chart. So again what is

so different ? The final result is given in numerical values so

there can be no discrapancies. 2 astrologers using ashtakavarga will

come to the same answer. Ashtakavarga is an integral tool of Vedic

Astrology.

 

Thirdly you have talked of using myraid of dashas. As per KAS the

timing of events is acurately timed using Vimshottari dasha and

starting from moon only. So I have not found any need to refer to

other dashas. First I want to learn KAS and then I can do further

research on all other dashas.

 

Fourthly you have talked of Planetary return. After casting the

workshset you know the values of all planets and their strength for

all 12 houses. After that you can narrow down the event in the

proper 1/3rd portion which I beleive you call it tribhagi or break

the antra into 3 parts. AFter that you use suns transit over

strongest signficators to narrow down to the dates. So suns transit

is also used. In different way.

 

In short Krushnas Ashtakavarga System is a full system and

specifically to time events.

 

About progressions I do not know what you mean. As per KAS one uses

Vimshottari dasha and with the worksheet and chart it becomes very

easy to time the events as we know the true strength or power of the

planet and that too for all 12 houses.

 

There is a very detailed theory behind the Krushnas Ashtakvarg

System.

 

Lastly you have talked of Krushnas Ayanamsa. On one hand you are

saying that one is predicting accurately using KAS and on the other

you are having reservations on Krushnas ayansma.

 

If the ayanamsa is not proper then all predictions also should go

wrong. Isnt that a given ?

 

However in the same breath I am also saying that one must not accept

anything blindly.

 

As a true explorer of this devine science try it out with open mind

and on various charts using all the tools taught in proper and

systematic mannor as given in the lessons. Then one can say that

such and such is not proper or it does not work or it works or

something has no basis astronomically. Without having doubts,

reservations and questions one cannot learn. So it is good.

 

Finally the proof of the pudding is in its eating. If one can time

events properly and with consistency then it would mean that the

system works including the ayanamsa.

 

I hope that I have answered all your questions.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

vedic astrology, Muhammad Imran

<astroimran> wrote:

> Dear Ash,

>

> No doubt, Ashtakvarga(AV) has a vital importance in the hierarchy

of vedic astrology and can not be ignorged. I agree to the point that

AV is often misuderstood. But at the same time, considering AV as sum-

and-substance of vedic astrology and ignoring other elements may lead

to misleading. If vedic astrolgy hinges upon AV only then why

enumerable jytish calssics laid down results of yogas, vargas,

various dashas, planetary returns, progression, and strength

criteria ?

>

> I was gone through the mentioned Krushna's lessons some years ago.

There are some good predicting tips and technique, but at the same

time I have my own doubts on certain matters. Also there is not any

astronomical foundation of Krushna Ayanamsha.

>

> Regards

> M.Imran

>

>

[Guest guest]

You can visit this site that Krushnaji himself had created some years back to

teach Krushnas Ashtakavarga System. This system was taught by his Guru Shri

Brij Gopal Shastriji to Krushnaji. Details on this can also be read by

visiting Donnas website.

 

Lessons are given in an organized manner in the file section. There are 32

lessons that are given this far.

 

This knowledge of Ashtakvarg and of KAS should remain in this world and anyone

who wants to learn the system is most welcome.

 

/

 

Donnas website is.

 

http://krushna.sageasita.com/

 

Margarita has translated lesson into French also for the benefit of the those

who are not well versed with English but who want to learn the System.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ashramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Hello Ash,Can you please give me the references of KrushnasAstakvarga System.I

know about BAV and SAV but I donot know anything about KAS..So pls give me

somereferences of KAS that from where I can learn aboutKAS.Thanks and

regards.aarceemastro2002--- ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Imran,Vedic Astrology does not hinge upon

AV. AV is a partof Vedic Astrology. Infact Ashtakavarga makes Vedic

astrologermore clear. As you have said Vedic Astrology lays down yogas,vargas

and various dashas. Now see the same from ashtakvarg perspective.Yogas are

covered by BAV and from BAV we derive at SAV. FromSAV we add the aspects, 4:10,

upchaya houses, adjustment for 12thlord from house under focus and 6th lord. We

study aspects on planetsand aspects

of planets on significator houses. So there is nothingdifferent. All yogas and

their contras get covered as per KAS. Nothing in Vedic Astrology as you call it

is ignored. All factors are considered when one uses a full system. I hopethis

answers your query on Yogas as laid by the maharishis. Everythingis covered and

the beauty of it is that you do not have to rememberthe names or their contras.

Its all covered. Hasnt this made alife a little easy for all those who struggle

with combinations andthen their contras ?Second point you have talked about is

Vargas. SAV iscasted for each and every Divisional chart. From SAV we also

derivethe worksheet strength of each planet for each divisional chart. Soagain

what is so different ? The final result is given in numericalvalues so there

can be no discrapancies. 2 astrologers usingashtakavarga will come to the same

answer.

Ashtakavarga is an integraltool of Vedic Astrology. Thirdly you have talked of

using myraid of dashas. Asper KAS the timing of events is acurately timed using

Vimshottaridasha and starting from moon only. So I have not found any needto

refer to other dashas. First I want to learn KAS and then Ican do further

research on all other dashas. Fourthly you have talked of Planetary return.

Aftercasting the workshset you know the values of all planets and theirstrength

for all 12 houses. After that you can narrow down theevent in the proper 1/3rd

portion which I beleive you call ittribhagi or break the antra into 3 parts.

AFter that you use sunstransit over strongest signficators to narrow down to

the dates. So suns transit is also used. In different way. In short Krushnas

Ashtakavarga System is a full systemand specifically to time events. About

progressions I do

not know what you mean. Asper KAS one uses Vimshottari dasha and with the

worksheet and chart itbecomes very easy to time the events as we know the true

strengthor power of the planet and that too for all 12 houses. There is a very

detailed theory behind the KrushnasAshtakvarg System. Lastly you have talked of

Krushnas Ayanamsa. On onehand you are saying that one is predicting accurately

using KAS andon the other you are having reservations on Krushnas ayansma. If

the ayanamsa is not proper then all predictionsalso should go wrong. Isnt that

a given ?However in the same breath I am also saying that onemust not accept

anything blindly. As a true explorer of this devine science try it outwith open

mind and on various charts using all the tools taught inproper and systematic

mannor as given in the lessons. Then onecan say that such and such is not

proper or it

does not work or itworks or something has no basis astronomically. Without

havingdoubts, reservations and questions one cannot learn. So it isgood.Finally

the proof of the pudding is in its eating. Ifone can time events properly and

with consistency then it wouldmean that the system works including the

ayanamsa.I hope that I have answered all your questions.Cheers !!!Ash--- In

vedic astrology, Muhammad Imranwrote:> Dear Ash,> > No doubt,

Ashtakvarga(AV) has a vital importance inthe hierarchy of vedic astrology and

can not be ignorged. I agree tothe point that AV is often misuderstood. But at

the same time,considering AV as sum-and-substance of vedic astrology and

ignoring otherelements may lead to misleading. If vedic astrolgy hinges upon AV

onlythen why enumerable jytish calssics laid down results of

yogas,vargas, various dashas, planetary returns, progression, andstrength

criteria ?> > I was gone through the mentioned Krushna's lessonssome years ago.

There are some good predicting tips and technique, butat the same time I have my

own doubts on certain matters. Alsothere is not any astronomical foundation of

Krushna Ayanamsha.> > Regards> M.Imran> > Archives:

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