Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Hello Sanjay: Here is the message where this woman named Wendy Vasicek, owner of the JyotishVidya group of , called you and "everything else you do" fraudulent. I think you should take legal action, the choice is yours. Mukund ====================================================================== Message 12179 of 12227 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] Message Index Msg # "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@j...> Sat Sep 4, 2004 5:21 pm Re: [JyotishVidya] Re: Your comments please..(for Ravikris) Dear John, I want to make it perfectly clear that the methods of Sanjay Rath are not to be promoted here. My association with Mr. Rath goes back many years and, without doubt, his contribution to astrology is (at best) confusing, misleading and downright erroneous. He, more often than not, makes up his own ridiculous rules to counter his appalling inability to grasp the fundamentals of jyotish. He's a prime example of one trying to skip before he can walk...with disastrous results! His title of "Pundit" is as fraudulent as everything else he does. I must insist therefore that his methods are NOT promoted here. I disapprove totally in character assassination and frown upon people spreading rumours about his personal ethics. However I will speak out against his methods whenever they encroach upon this list... Thank You, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Hi I personally feel that the comments posted by Wendy are primarily her own prejudices and should not be looked at. We must go by our own experiences and the knowledge he has shared with us. My personal experiences have been very nice on each ocassion and I found him very affectionate, caring and responsible person. Astrology is not an abstract science, it considers compound factors for any conclusions. So, his readings and principles must be read in line with related facts/technical issues. Most astrologer always look at multiple factors and many a times, most of these multiple factors are not provided in analysis, BUT astrologer considers them all, prior to their respective readings. Such personal bias should not be permitted against anyone. regards/Prafulla vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote: > Hello Sanjay: > > Here is the message where this woman named Wendy Vasicek, owner of > the JyotishVidya group of , called you and "everything else you > do" fraudulent. > > I think you should take legal action, the choice is yours. > > Mukund > > > > ===================================================================== = > > Message 12179 of 12227 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] Message > Index Msg # > > > "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@j...> > Sat Sep 4, 2004 5:21 pm > Re: [JyotishVidya] Re: Your comments please..(for Ravikris) > > > > > > Dear John, > > I want to make it perfectly clear that the methods of Sanjay Rath > are not to be promoted here. My association with Mr. Rath goes back > many years and, without doubt, his contribution to astrology is (at > best) confusing, misleading and downright erroneous. He, more often > than not, makes up his own ridiculous rules to counter his appalling > inability to grasp the fundamentals of jyotish. He's a prime example > of one trying to skip before he can walk...with disastrous results! > His title of "Pundit" is as fraudulent as everything else he does. I > must insist therefore that his methods are NOT promoted here. > > I disapprove totally in character assassination and frown upon > people spreading rumours about his personal ethics. However I will > speak out against his methods whenever they encroach upon this > list... > > Thank You, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 ` nmae naray[ay, om namo näräyaëäya| Dear Mukund Ji, I consider Jyotish as the Divine Science and while learning I read it with spirituality.Many times my predictions also go wrong and I feel that GOD wants my prediction to go wrong due to my sins did in past life.Also many times my prediction became 100 % true.That does not mean that I am the Brahma, the creator.One must control his/ her anger, emotions, ego or Ahamkara, then only his/ her predictions may become true sometimes.Prashna Margam clearly gives these statements in the beginning and also writes that one must do the rightous deeds, not become jealous of anybody, etc.etc.....,worship his Ishta Devatha, perform Sandhya Vandanam regularly,worship Nava Grahas,repsect his Guru and other learned Pundits etc.These are our Hindu culture and is in our blood.One should have a basic knowledge of Vedas and Puranas. So if somebody writes bad against a learned Pundit like Sanjay Ji, it shows the person's jealousness and Ahamkara as such person's predictions become wrong and nobody listens to such person.So in such cases ignoring is the best medicine. just pray to GOD to give good intellect ( Buddhi ) to such persons who do such eveil deeds. I hope this helps you. With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. monmuk111 <monmuk111 > wrote: Hello Sanjay:Here is the message where this woman named Wendy Vasicek, owner of the JyotishVidya group of , called you and "everything else you do" fraudulent.I think you should take legal action, the choice is yours.Mukund ====================================================================== Message 12179 of 12227 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] Message Index Msg # "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@j...> Sat Sep 4, 2004 5:21 pm Re: [JyotishVidya] Re: Your comments please..(for Ravikris)Dear John,I want to make it perfectly clear that the methods of Sanjay Rathare not to be promoted here. My association with Mr. Rath goes backmany years and, without doubt, his contribution to astrology is (atbest) confusing, misleading and downright erroneous. He, more oftenthan not, makes up his own ridiculous rules to counter his appallinginability to grasp the fundamentals of jyotish. He's a prime exampleof one trying to skip before he can walk...with disastrous results!His title of "Pundit" is as fraudulent as everything else he does. Imust insist therefore that his methods are NOT promoted here.I disapprove totally in character assassination and frown uponpeople spreading rumours about his personal ethics. However I willspeak out against his methods whenever they encroach upon thislist...Thank You,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.comArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Friends, All those analysing horoscopes should watch out for what their nodes are upto in their own horoscopes. Because, as Pandit Sanjay Rath says, we are activating the nodes in our charts each time we work on the horoscopes. Could be a reason, why astrologers fight so much! Best way is to ignore such behaviour. Different discussion groups are now formed into islands, identifying with either a system or a personality! Vedic astrologers as a community are only a small group and it does not help anyone's cause to fight among themselves. Om Shanti Shanti Shanti regards viswanadham vedic astrology, "Prafulla Gang" <prafulla.gang@r...> wrote: > Hi > > I personally feel that the comments posted by Wendy are primarily > her own prejudices and should not be looked at. We must go by our > own experiences and the knowledge he has shared with us. > My personal experiences have been very nice on each ocassion and I > found him very affectionate, caring and responsible person. > Astrology is not an abstract science, it considers compound factors > for any conclusions. So, his readings and principles must be read in > line with related facts/technical issues. Most astrologer always > look at multiple factors and many a times, most of these multiple > factors are not provided in analysis, BUT astrologer considers them > all, prior to their respective readings. > > Such personal bias should not be permitted against anyone. > > regards/Prafulla > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> > wrote: > > Hello Sanjay: > > > > Here is the message where this woman named Wendy Vasicek, owner of > > the JyotishVidya group of , called you and "everything else > you > > do" fraudulent. > > > > I think you should take legal action, the choice is yours. > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > = > > > > Message 12179 of 12227 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] > Message > > Index Msg # > > > > > > "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@j...> > > Sat Sep 4, 2004 5:21 pm > > Re: [JyotishVidya] Re: Your comments please..(for > Ravikris) > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John, > > > > I want to make it perfectly clear that the methods of Sanjay Rath > > are not to be promoted here. My association with Mr. Rath goes back > > many years and, without doubt, his contribution to astrology is (at > > best) confusing, misleading and downright erroneous. He, more often > > than not, makes up his own ridiculous rules to counter his > appalling > > inability to grasp the fundamentals of jyotish. He's a prime > example > > of one trying to skip before he can walk...with disastrous results! > > His title of "Pundit" is as fraudulent as everything else he does. > I > > must insist therefore that his methods are NOT promoted here. > > > > I disapprove totally in character assassination and frown upon > > people spreading rumours about his personal ethics. However I will > > speak out against his methods whenever they encroach upon this > > list... > > > > Thank You, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Hello Ramdasji: Please address me as Mukund, not Mukund-ji as I'm much much younger to you in age and life-experience. What bothered me about this Wendy woman is she repeatedly called Sanjay a fraud and when I attempt to argue against her, she banned me from her list. If one makes a slanderous remark against Sanjay whom I respect greatly, I should have the opportunity to argue my case. Well, I should have realized that insecurity causes people to bad- mouth others. Thanks for writing to me. Mukund vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote: > > ` nmae naray[ay, > > om namo näräyaëäya| > > Dear Mukund Ji, > > I consider Jyotish as the Divine Science and while learning I read it with spirituality.Many times my predictions also go wrong and I feel that GOD wants my prediction to go wrong due to my sins did in past life.Also many times my prediction became 100 % true.That does not mean that I am the Brahma, the creator.One must control his/ her anger, emotions, ego or Ahamkara, then only his/ her predictions may become true sometimes.Prashna Margam clearly gives these statements in the beginning and also writes that one must do the rightous deeds, not become jealous of anybody, etc.etc.....,worship his Ishta Devatha, perform Sandhya Vandanam regularly,worship Nava Grahas,repsect his Guru and other learned Pundits etc.These are our Hindu culture and is in our blood.One should have a basic knowledge of Vedas and Puranas. > > So if somebody writes bad against a learned Pundit like Sanjay Ji, it shows the person's jealousness and Ahamkara as such person's predictions become wrong and nobody listens to such person.So in such cases ignoring is the best medicine. > > just pray to GOD to give good intellect ( Buddhi ) to such persons who do such eveil deeds. > > I hope this helps you. > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: Hello Sanjay: > > Here is the message where this woman named Wendy Vasicek, owner of > the JyotishVidya group of , called you and "everything else you > do" fraudulent. > > I think you should take legal action, the choice is yours. > > Mukund > > > > ====================================================================== > > Message 12179 of 12227 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] Message > Index Msg # > > > "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@j...> > Sat Sep 4, 2004 5:21 pm > Re: [JyotishVidya] Re: Your comments please..(for Ravikris) > > > > > > Dear John, > > I want to make it perfectly clear that the methods of Sanjay Rath > are not to be promoted here. My association with Mr. Rath goes back > many years and, without doubt, his contribution to astrology is (at > best) confusing, misleading and downright erroneous. He, more often > than not, makes up his own ridiculous rules to counter his appalling > inability to grasp the fundamentals of jyotish. He's a prime example > of one trying to skip before he can walk...with disastrous results! > His title of "Pundit" is as fraudulent as everything else he does. I > must insist therefore that his methods are NOT promoted here. > > I disapprove totally in character assassination and frown upon > people spreading rumours about his personal ethics. However I will > speak out against his methods whenever they encroach upon this > list... > > Thank You, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 ` nmae naray[ay, om namo näräyaëäya| Dear Mukund, It is like when somebody hits/injures a good pious man,if he does not reply,that means his piousness increases and will be praised by wise and learned people. So nothing to worry at all. With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. monmuk111 <monmuk111 > wrote: Hello Ramdasji:Please address me as Mukund, not Mukund-ji as I'm much much younger to you in age and life-experience.What bothered me about this Wendy woman is she repeatedly called Sanjay a fraud and when I attempt to argue against her, she banned me from her list.If one makes a slanderous remark against Sanjay whom I respect greatly, I should have the opportunity to argue my case.Well, I should have realized that insecurity causes people to bad-mouth others.Thanks for writing to me.Mukundvedic astrology, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote:> > ` nmae naray[ay,> > om namo näräyaëäya|> > Dear Mukund Ji,> > I consider Jyotish as the Divine Science and while learning I read it with spirituality.Many times my predictions also go wrong and I feel that GOD wants my prediction to go wrong due to my sins did in past life.Also many times my prediction became 100 % true.That does not mean that I am the Brahma, the creator.One must control his/ her anger, emotions, ego or Ahamkara, then only his/ her predictions may become true sometimes.Prashna Margam clearly gives these statements in the beginning and also writes that one must do the rightous deeds, not become jealous of anybody, etc.etc.....,worship his Ishta Devatha, perform Sandhya Vandanam regularly,worship Nava Grahas,repsect his Guru and other learned Pundits etc.These are our Hindu culture and is in our blood.One should have a basic knowledge of Vedas and Puranas.> > So if somebody writes bad against a learned Pundit like Sanjay Ji, it shows the person's jealousness and Ahamkara as such person's predictions become wrong and nobody listens to such person.So in such cases ignoring is the best medicine.> > just pray to GOD to give good intellect ( Buddhi ) to such persons who do such eveil deeds.> > I hope this helps you.> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,> > Ramadas Rao.> > > > > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: Hello Sanjay:> > Here is the message where this woman named Wendy Vasicek, owner of > the JyotishVidya group of , called you and "everything else you > do" fraudulent.> > I think you should take legal action, the choice is yours.> > Mukund > > > > ======================================================================> > Message 12179 of 12227 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] Message > Index Msg # > > > "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@j...> > Sat Sep 4, 2004 5:21 pm > Re: [JyotishVidya] Re: Your comments please..(for Ravikris)> > > > > > Dear John,> > I want to make it perfectly clear that the methods of Sanjay Rath> are not to be promoted here. My association with Mr. Rath goes back> many years and, without doubt, his contribution to astrology is (at> best) confusing, misleading and downright erroneous. He, more often> than not, makes up his own ridiculous rules to counter his appalling> inability to grasp the fundamentals of jyotish. He's a prime example> of one trying to skip before he can walk...with disastrous results!> His title of "Pundit" is as fraudulent as everything else he does. I> must insist therefore that his methods are NOT promoted here.> > I disapprove totally in character assassination and frown upon> people spreading rumours about his personal ethics. However I will> speak out against his methods whenever they encroach upon this> list...> > Thank You,> Mrs. Wendy> http://JyotishVidya.com> > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > Sponsor> > > > Links> > > vedic astrology/> > To from this group, send an email to:> vedic astrology> > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Namaste friends, I said earlier that Sanjay ji's A6 has Rahu and people with a strong Rahu or under Rahu's influence tend to trouble him (but sadly he is sometimes attracted to such people. Why did I say this?). The lady in question has Jupiter at 21 deg 11 min in Cancer and Rahu at 21 deg 24 min in Cancer. Rahu causes a severe Guru-Chandala yoga and is a prominent planet in the chart. He aspects Capricorn lagna. Moreover, the lady is running Rahu's Moola dasa. If anybody dismisses Sanjay or spews venom on him, immediately check their chart. You will find a strong Rahu or Rahu dasa running. The lady said she has a long association with Sanjay ji and his approach is confusing and misleading. I too have a long association and have been his student since 1997-98. I was the second student accepted by him (after Ashok Koushik). He is not your standard astrology teacher. He likes to tease, intentionally confuse you a little and watch as you sort your way through the confusion. He teaches only what you are ready for and when you are ready for it. If you need to get the maximum out of him, you need to be humble, sincere, committed, and yet of inquisitive and questioning nature. You need to work hard. He does not spoon-feed. This is the traditional Indian way. But, those who are unfamiliar with this approach may misconstrue it. Astrology is the science of light. As we become better and better astrologers, agni tattva within us becomes stronger and stronger. Sanjay ji once said that this strengthens Sun within us and increases ego. So good astrologers tend to be egoistic. Though they say "vidyaa dadaati vinayam" (learning gives humility), this is not true in astrology and some other agni tattva subjects. We should consciously try to culitvate humility. This is not criticism aimed at anyone. Most of us have this drawback and we need to try to overcome it. I am very confident that none of us has the perfect knowledge of the teachings of Sages. The moment we think we have the perfect knowledge and others are wrong is the moment our growth stops. Just for the record, people from various schools of thought in Vedic astrology are welcome here. As long as people stick to astrology, differences of opinion should be and will be tolerated. Perhaps we can learn from each other, if we learn to ignore the arrogant and all-knowing postures of some. It is unwise to ban certain views within the gamut of Vedic astrology. Unfortunately, not every list has the same attitude. But there is no point in worrying about what is not in our hands. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha List founder & admin PS: People with a strong Guru-Chandala yoga can pray to Sun. When the priest (Jupiter) is troubled by a bad man (Rahu), he does not fight back (being a Brahmin) and silently suffers. It is only the king (Sun) who can punish the bad man (Rahu) and give relief to the priest (Jupiter). If your Jupiter is shackled by Rahu, pray to Sun! > Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Friends,> > All those analysing horoscopes should watch out for what their nodes > are upto in their own horoscopes. Because, as Pandit Sanjay Rath > says, we are activating the nodes in our charts each time we work on > the horoscopes.> > Could be a reason, why astrologers fight so much! Best way is to > ignore such behaviour.> > Different discussion groups are now formed into islands, identifying > with either a system or a personality! > > Vedic astrologers as a community are only a small group and it does > not help anyone's cause to fight among themselves.> > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti> > regards> viswanadham> vedic astrology, "Prafulla Gang" > <prafulla.gang@r...> wrote:> > Hi> > > > I personally feel that the comments posted by Wendy are primarily > > her own prejudices and should not be looked at. We must go by our > > own experiences and the knowledge he has shared with us.> > My personal experiences have been very nice on each ocassion and I > > found him very affectionate, caring and responsible person. > > Astrology is not an abstract science, it considers compound factors > > for any conclusions. So, his readings and principles must be read > in > > line with related facts/technical issues. Most astrologer always > > look at multiple factors and many a times, most of these multiple > > factors are not provided in analysis, BUT astrologer considers them > > all, prior to their respective readings.> > > > Such personal bias should not be permitted against anyone.> > > > regards/Prafulla> > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111" > <monmuk111> > > wrote:> > > Hello Sanjay:> > > > > > Here is the message where this woman named Wendy Vasicek, owner > of > > > the JyotishVidya group of , called you and "everything else > > you > > > do" fraudulent.> > > > > > I think you should take legal action, the choice is yours.> > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =====================================================================> > => > > > > > Message 12179 of 12227 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] > > Message > > > Index Msg # > > > > > > > > > "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@j...> > > > Sat Sep 4, 2004 5:21 pm > > > Re: [JyotishVidya] Re: Your comments please..(for > > Ravikris)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,> > > > > > I want to make it perfectly clear that the methods of Sanjay Rath> > > are not to be promoted here. My association with Mr. Rath goes > back> > > many years and, without doubt, his contribution to astrology is > (at> > > best) confusing, misleading and downright erroneous. He, more > often> > > than not, makes up his own ridiculous rules to counter his > > appalling> > > inability to grasp the fundamentals of jyotish. He's a prime > > example> > > of one trying to skip before he can walk...with disastrous > results!> > > His title of "Pundit" is as fraudulent as everything else he > does. > > I> > > must insist therefore that his methods are NOT promoted here.> > > > > > I disapprove totally in character assassination and frown upon> > > people spreading rumours about his personal ethics. However I will> > > speak out against his methods whenever they encroach upon this> > > list...> > > > > > Thank You,> > > Mrs. Wendy> > > http://JyotishVidya.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Narasimha, Thanks for that important point on Agni/Sun causing bloated ego in Astrologers. It is another feather in VA's cap that it allows entry from all the 10 directions! Am i right in saying so? Your lessons, on the net are very informative. Can you take any questions from those listening to the mp3 audio, which you may answer whenever it suits you? Best regards viswanadham vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > Namaste friends, > > I said earlier that Sanjay ji's A6 has Rahu and people with a strong Rahu or under Rahu's influence tend to trouble him (but sadly he is sometimes attracted to such people. Why did I say this?). > > The lady in question has Jupiter at 21 deg 11 min in Cancer and Rahu at 21 deg 24 min in Cancer. Rahu causes a severe Guru-Chandala yoga and is a prominent planet in the chart. He aspects Capricorn lagna. Moreover, the lady is running Rahu's Moola dasa. > > If anybody dismisses Sanjay or spews venom on him, immediately check their chart. You will find a strong Rahu or Rahu dasa running. > > The lady said she has a long association with Sanjay ji and his approach is confusing and misleading. I too have a long association and have been his student since 1997-98. I was the second student accepted by him (after Ashok Koushik). He is not your standard astrology teacher. He likes to tease, intentionally confuse you a little and watch as you sort your way through the confusion. He teaches only what you are ready for and when you are ready for it. If you need to get the maximum out of him, you need to be humble, sincere, committed, and yet of inquisitive and questioning nature. You need to work hard. He does not spoon-feed. This is the traditional Indian way. But, those who are unfamiliar with this approach may misconstrue it. > > Astrology is the science of light. As we become better and better astrologers, agni tattva within us becomes stronger and stronger. Sanjay ji once said that this strengthens Sun within us and increases ego. So good astrologers tend to be egoistic. Though they say "vidyaa dadaati vinayam" (learning gives humility), this is not true in astrology and some other agni tattva subjects. We should consciously try to culitvate humility. This is not criticism aimed at anyone. Most of us have this drawback and we need to try to overcome it. > > I am very confident that none of us has the perfect knowledge of the teachings of Sages. The moment we think we have the perfect knowledge and others are wrong is the moment our growth stops. > > Just for the record, people from various schools of thought in Vedic astrology are welcome here. As long as people stick to astrology, differences of opinion should be and will be tolerated. Perhaps we can learn from each other, if we learn to ignore the arrogant and all-knowing postures of some. It is unwise to ban certain views within the gamut of Vedic astrology. > > Unfortunately, not every list has the same attitude. But there is no point in worrying about what is not in our hands. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > List founder & admin > > PS: People with a strong Guru-Chandala yoga can pray to Sun. When the priest (Jupiter) is troubled by a bad man (Rahu), he does not fight back (being a Brahmin) and silently suffers. It is only the king (Sun) who can punish the bad man (Rahu) and give relief to the priest (Jupiter). If your Jupiter is shackled by Rahu, pray to Sun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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