SAV points as given in JHL, clarification

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Satyam Bruyat Piryam Bruyat

 

Dear Members,

 

I find that SAV rekhas/points are calculated in JHL by adding points of BAV of 7

planets. Though there is a chart showing points counted w.r.t Asc, the SAV chart

appears to excludes the same. I would like to know if my understanding is

correct and if Asc points are to be added while checking strength of bhavas

against dictums like <25= damaged, between 25-30 = medium effects and >30 =

advance the effects of bhava!

 

Regards

Ramesh

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ashsam73 [ashsam73]

Friday, September 10, 2004 7:21 PM

Ramesh Gangaramani

Re: SAV points as given in JHL, clarification

 

 

Dear Ramesh,

Here are your answers in short to your points.

 

1) You can vist the following website of Donna Quinn and group.

 

http://krushna.sageasita.com/

 

or

 

/

 

 

2) Perception and Satya are 2 different things. You have 22 points

in your lagna that is showing your nature. Rahu very closely

aspecting Moon and in 2nd house of family/wealth etc.

 

3) Good - So its matching that July/August 1981-1982 was stressful

period and "THAT IS THE EFFECT OF TRANSIT". It was rewarding "THAT

IS THE RESULT OF ANTRA". [i am writing the emphasis in CAPS].

The difference is environment v/s result. And 3rd aspect is

Quantum. 3 different things altogether. For timing of result its

antra, for environment its transits and sign placement / status of

karak etc and multiplication factor etc is for Quantum of result.

This is from Krushnas Ashtakavarga System. I am not aware of how

others use it and might differ.

 

4) Guru Mahadasha is different from Shani MD. They hold different

karaktwa so result focus of Venus antra will be different in both

antras augument that with different transits so there will be

differences.

 

5) You agree that the current period is stressful. I shall give you

some links as Its not possible to explain samdharmi in the limited

time I have but I shall give you references to link where you can

read up on that refer to point 1.

 

6) For 9 points, please check the points when Shani retrogates later

on in the year. At the same time check Gurus points and add the

same.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

<ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:

> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

>

> Dear Ash,

> Thank you for going through my chart. My comments are as under.

>

> Regards

>

> Ramesh

>

>

> ashsam73 [ashsam73]

> Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:09 PM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: SAV points as given in JHL,

clarification

>

>

> Dear Ramesh,

> I casted your chart. You must have a compromising nature and must

me

> adjusting. Moon is very closely aspected by Rahu. Lagna lord is in

> 12th and lagna has 22 points. It could mean that you will adjust

> adjust to a point and when u reach your limit u may just explode.

>

> Ramesh: I am not sure! I think I am perceived more a 'fixed' in my

views.

>

> Also you have lagna/sun/moon in 5 sectors of mars in navamsa,

> drekkhana and triansha.

>

> Ramesh: I am sorry I do not understand the above.

>

> Now coming to the Sa's transit over virgo from say Jul/aug 1980 to

> Oct 1982 might be more stressful.

>

> Ramesh: Yes it was stressful but positive kind of stress and

rewarding.

>

> Now at that time Guru mahadasha was running and Venus antra. Venus

> has highest Ashtakvarg points for 10th house (Derived from SAV and

it

> includes aspects etc etc) of 22 for 10th house. During this time

you

> might have held good authority position. Venus also has good points

> for 6th house and also lagna so you might have cystal clear thoughts

> and if faced with difficult situations you can think your way you.

>

> At that time Shani was transitting virgo your 2nd house with 0

points

> and at that time Jupiter was say about 20 degress into Libra where

it

> has 6 bindus strength. So total = 6. However this period i.e. When

> Ju was still in Virgo with Shani at that time total would be 3 only

> i.e. from 1980 - 1981. That time you might have faced a crunch or

> felt that things were not going your way.

> Can you confirm this please.

>

> Ramesh: I agree that period 81-82 was better than 80-81. Do you

normally

> total the AK points of of planets like Saturn and Jupiter to come

to the

> conclusion, like Jupieter transit making up of low point transit of

Saturn?

>

> Venus antra is good for you in terms if Job.'

>

> Ramesh: During Jup MD, it was. It was not so during Saturn MD.

>

> Even current period is good for you for job but Sa and Jupiter

poitns

> are 7. So again might feel stress. This current period is also or

> will give u stress as its of Rahu who is SD to 2nd lord. Rahu is

> samdharmi to Guru and Mercu and its more towards Mercury as Mercury

> has 6 bindus sterngth in 8th hosue and Guru has 5.

>

> Ramesh: Current period has been ok and and a bit stressful. Kindly

explain

> the term samdharmi. I do not understand the same.

>

> Next antra is that of Guru. It will be very good for you interms of

> income. Mahadasha is also of Shani, Karak for 11th house (8th from

> 11th). At the same time Ju and Sa total points will be 9.

>

> Ramesh: Kindly explain how you arrive at the total of 9. Saturn has

BAV of 3

> in Cancer and Jupiter has BAV of 4 in Virgo.

>

>

> Good times ahead for you. The current period is also good but it

> will come with stress. Good in the sense of income and accumulation

> of wealth, aquistion of car, happiness from home etc. Its also a

> very good time for learning or gaining knowledge. Good savings

also.

>

> Ramesh: Thanks

>

> Please give feeback it will help in learning.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

> <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:

> > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Please find the chart attached. Birth details are as under:

> >

> > July 31, 1949

> > Time: 9:04:00AM

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Longitude: 73 E 13' 00"

> > Latitude: 22 N 18' 00"

> >

> > I have noted your point regarding AD. I am however attempting to

> understand

> > the link between transit of Saturn and its BAV points in various

> houses. A

> > correction in your first para, Saturn is giving 0 points in the

> house where

> > Moon is placed.

> >

> > Your last para is also informative. Thanks.

> >

> > Best Regards

> > Ramesh

> >

> >

> > ashsam73 [ashsam73]

> > Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:44 PM

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] Re: SAV points as given in JHL,

> clarification

> >

> >

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > Definitely there is so much more to it. It would be helpful if I

> had

> > your chart. One has to first study planets and their poitions and

> > degrees and their status.

> >

> > First thing is that antra dasha is very important. Transits show

> > environment. You have Shani giving 0 point in the place where

lagna

> > is. One has to first understand what it means. If antardasha

holds

> > promise of say Good income and at the same time Shani is

transitting

> > a house with 0 points or even Mars then mostly unless Guru is

> > transitting a houswe with 8 bindus the total is going to be less

> than

> > 8. So it means that person will have income (if someone asks a

> > question on how the income will be) but at the same time if Shani

> and

> > Guru are not favouring in their transit then the person will not

be

> > able to enjoy it. Again if the antra running is say of 2nd lord

> then

> > there will even be more worries. etc etc. etc.

> >

> > The contra of it, say if the Antra lord is not supporting good

> income

> > and at the same time Guru and Shani are favouring here I mean its

> > having total of > 8 bindus then such a person might make his day

to

> > day needs met. Maybe he may get help from family or friends or

> > wife / husband etc. Again here if you study keenly Sa and Ju rule

> > 9,10,11 and 12th hosue of the kal purush chart. They hold

karaktwa

> > of 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th.

> >

> > You can test this out on so many charts. Sometimes when antra is

> > good at the same time Shani and Ju are favouring then in such

cases

> > one gets good income and he can enjoy it as well. The environemnt

> > also lends support and becomes favourable.

> >

> > My suggestion is that before you hear terms like Sadi Sati, Kal

Sarp

> > yog etc study these thigns.

> >

> > If you study kal sarp charts or kal amrit charts from SAV view

point

> > you will find that in most cases SAV points might be either low or

> > high in continuity.

> >

> > Now say if continiuously 4 or 5 houses r low together then planets

> > more planest transitting a house with < 28 bindus will make the

> total

> > points < 197 so such people will feel that things are not going

> their

> > way or in short have prolonged periods of suffering and due to

that

> > they may turn more spiritual. Now in such charts also on the

other

> > side of the same coin the SAV bindus are fixed at 337. So it

means

> > that if a few houses continiously have less points i.e < 28 then

> some

> > other houses will have much higher points as the total is fixed to

> > 337. So when the plnaets finally get out or exit such houses and

> > move into a house with high points then there are more chances of

> > total points to be > 197 so its then Make up time....

> >

> > I am out of time... for now....

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

> > <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:

> > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > > Thank you for a detailed reply. I have been trying to understand

> > ways of

> > > differentiating difficult sade-satis from those that may not be

so

> > > difficult. One of the ways I understand is to check Rashis

through

> > which the

> > > Saturn passes. The other dictum I have read is that people born

in

> > sade sati

> > > do not experience a difficult period during future sade-satis.

> > > You have made one more addition by suggesting to check BAV

points

> > of Saturn

> > > in 12th, 1st and 2nd houses from Moon. I am a Leo Asc with Moon

in

> > Virgo,

> > > BAV of 3,0,4 in 12th, 1st and 2nd. I have technically gone

> through 2

> > > sade-satis one at the time of birth and second 77-85. I think my

> > sade-satis

> > > have been relatively easy, especially when I read about the

> > difficulties

> > > some others have had to go through! Being born in sadesati

> > may 'explain' it.

> > > BAV points of 3 and 4 would explain easier times during transits

> > through Leo

> > > and Libra. 0 point in Virgo which had Moon and Ketu would

however

> > indicate a

> > > difficult period. Is there something more to it?

> > > Kind regards

> > > Ramesh

> > >

> > > Dear Sanjay and Rao,

> > > Thank you for confirming that points of Lagna need to be added,

> > exact if

> > > available or an average of 4!

> > > Best Regards

> > > Ramesh

> > >

> > >

> > > ashsam73 [ashsam73]

> > > Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:05 AM

> > > vedic astrology

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: SAV points as given in JHL,

> > clarification

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Ramesh and Sanjay,

> > >

> > > Make no mistake. There is much more to the application of

> > > Ashtakvarga than just for transits.

> > >

> > > Ramesh, 28 bindus is average. 29 bindus would make a house

> benefic.

> > > 7 planets each can get upto 8 bindus (7 planets and lagna) max.

> So

> > > if a planet gets 0 to 3 bindus then its malefic, 4 is neutral

and

> > 5 -

> > > 8 is benefic. So at an average if 7 planets are getting 4

bindus

> > > then total strength of Bhava = 28.

> > >

> > > Now there are only 337 bindus allocated for 7 planets by

> maharishi.

> > > We say that as per Vedic Astrology that many planets in 3rd

house

> > > makes a person very parakramic. The same if you study from SAV

> view

> > > point and BAV you will notice if u study the BAV scheme (Given

by

> > > Varharamira maharishi) that most planets distribute 1 bindu to

the

> > > 11th place from it. If you study charts of people with a lot of

> > > planets (not nodes) in 3rd house then such people will have very

> > high

> > > total points in their SAV in lagna showing their personality as

> more

> > > adament people with a lot of confidence also maybe short

tempered

> > >

> > > Since there are a fixed 337 bindus allocated very high points in

> any

> > > 1 house will be at the cost of some other house.

> > >

> > > So its not necassary to have very high bindus in a house. Yes

> > > transit of planets over such houses (with high points) will not

be

> > > bad.

> > >

> > > The whole system of Ashtakavarg is based on relative placement

of

> > > planets.

> > >

> > > Maharishi Parasara and Varharamira have given the BAV scheme to

us

> > > which distributes the benefic bindus by 7 planets and lagna.

> Lagna

> > > has its importance due to the fact it gives us reference for

> example

> > > we say Sun in 4th house or sun in 5th both mean different thing.

> > > This is obtained from reference from lagna and hence its

> importance.

> > >

> > > Once u distribute the points you add up the points for all the 7

> > > planets (reference of lagna is already included) to get the

> strength

> > > of each house which we call SAV.

> > >

> > > By the time u get the SAV strength you have unknowingly

calculated

> > > most of the Yogs with their contras i.e. yogs that are based on

> > > relative positioning of planets. Speical yogs like 4:10 or

> aspects

> > > and other yogs like venus to sun distance, venus in particular

> > > nakshtra etc have to be considered seperately.

> > >

> > > This SAV then gives the basis from which you derive and go into

> the

> > > next level to compute the actual strength of the planet.

> > >

> > > It is a very detailed topic.

> > >

> > > I agree that the texts available today do not do justice to

> > > Ashtakvarg. No where in no classics is the system of ashtakvarg

> in

> > > given in detail to find out the timing of events.

> > >

> > > Things like kalsarp yog, kalamrit yog, grah malik yog etc can be

> > seen

> > > at a glace if one studies the SAV points distribution.

> > >

> > > For thigns like Sade-Sati, kantak shani i.e. Shanis transit over

> > > 12th, 1st and 2nd from Moon can also be seen using BAV.

Maharishi

> > has

> > > allocated 39 bindus to Shani in its BAV only. Similarly for

Mars.

> > > 39/12 is approx 3 bindus. So as a thumb rule if Shani in his

BAV

> is

> > > giving 3 bindus to 12th, 1st or 2nd from Moon then such a

transit

> of

> > > shani might not be that bad.

> > >

> > > At the same time Transit of Guru is also very important to

study.

> > > Guru and Shani rule the last 4 houses in kal purush chart

> especially

> > > if you want to time financial success.

> > >

> > > In any case its all a very detailed topic of discussion.

> > >

> > > Just my 2 cents.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, sanjay@s... wrote:

> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > > By definition it seems all the 8(Ashta)parameters are to be

> added

> > > to

> > > > to get Sarva Ashtaka Varga points.

> > > > But some commonly accepted way is to ignore Lagna. I

personnaly

> > > > sometimes try to Add the lagna points to compare.

> > > > Ashtakavarga is mostly based on transits of Naisargika

(Natural)

> > > > kaaraka which are used to judge the change in society and

> > > situations

> > > > around is my understanding. So the play of Lagna could be

> minimal

> > > and

> > > > that may also explain why transits from moon are given

> > > comparitively

> > > > more importance. As moon is natural significator of society

and

> > > mind.

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Sanjay P

> > > >

> > > > Om Tat Sat

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

> > > > <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:

> > > > > Satyam Bruyat Piryam Bruyat

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > >

> > > > > I find that SAV rekhas/points are calculated in JHL by

adding

> > > > points of BAV

> > > > > of 7 planets. Though there is a chart showing points counted

> > > w.r.t

> > > > Asc, the

> > > > > SAV chart appears to excludes the same. I would like to know

> if

> > my

> > > > > understanding is correct and if Asc points are to be added

> while

> > > > checking

> > > > > strength of bhavas against dictums like <25= damaged,

between

> > 25-

> > > 30

> > > > = medium

> > > > > effects and >30 = advance the effects of bhava!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Ramesh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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