SAV points as given in JHL, clarification

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Ramesh,

By definition it seems all the 8(Ashta)parameters are to be added to

to get Sarva Ashtaka Varga points.

But some commonly accepted way is to ignore Lagna. I personnaly

sometimes try to Add the lagna points to compare.

Ashtakavarga is mostly based on transits of Naisargika(Natural)

kaaraka which are used to judge the change in society and situations

around is my understanding. So the play of Lagna could be minimal and

that may also explain why transits from moon are given comparitively

more importance. As moon is natural significator of society and mind.

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

 

Om Tat Sat

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

<ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:

> Satyam Bruyat Piryam Bruyat

>

> Dear Members,

>

> I find that SAV rekhas/points are calculated in JHL by adding

points of BAV

> of 7 planets. Though there is a chart showing points counted w.r.t

Asc, the

> SAV chart appears to excludes the same. I would like to know if my

> understanding is correct and if Asc points are to be added while

checking

> strength of bhavas against dictums like <25= damaged, between 25-30

= medium

> effects and >30 = advance the effects of bhava!

>

> Regards

> Ramesh

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Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Ramesh and Sanjay P Ji,

 

When any software programme, who does not take the Parasara

method and ignore Lagna in the SAV calculation, then I add

4 bindus to all SAV's (to get the affect of Lagna) and do

my analysis from there. It is working very well for me.

 

Say for example, if some one has 17 bindus in 5th house,

then by adding 4 it becomes 21 and I go from there

for the analysis.

 

If I remember correctly, this was discussed in the last

year's East Coast conference in a lecture by Visti and

Sanjay Ji and request someone to correct me if I am wrong.

 

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

 

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sanjay@s...

Tue Sep 7, 2004 12:22 pm

Re: SAV points as given in JHL, clarification

 

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Ramesh,

By definition it seems all the 8(Ashta)parameters are to be added to

to get Sarva Ashtaka Varga points.

But some commonly accepted way is to ignore Lagna. I personnaly

sometimes try to Add the lagna points to compare.

Ashtakavarga is mostly based on transits of Naisargika(Natural)

kaaraka which are used to judge the change in society and situations

around is my understanding. So the play of Lagna could be minimal and

that may also explain why transits from moon are given comparitively

more importance. As moon is natural significator of society and mind.

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

 

Om Tat Sat

 

 

vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

<ramesh.gangaramani:

Satyam Bruyat Piryam Bruyat

 

Dear Members,

 

I find that SAV rekhas/points are calculated in JHL by adding

points of BAV of 7 planets. Though there is a chart showing points

counted w.r.t Asc, the SAV chart appears to excludes the same. I

would like to know if my understanding is correct and if Asc points

are to be added while

checking strength of bhavas against dictums like <25= damaged,

between 25-30 = medium effects and 30 = advance the effects of bhava!

 

Regards

Ramesh

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Dear Ramesh and Sanjay,

 

Make no mistake. There is much more to the application of

Ashtakvarga than just for transits.

 

Ramesh, 28 bindus is average. 29 bindus would make a house benefic.

7 planets each can get upto 8 bindus (7 planets and lagna) max. So

if a planet gets 0 to 3 bindus then its malefic, 4 is neutral and 5 -

8 is benefic. So at an average if 7 planets are getting 4 bindus

then total strength of Bhava = 28.

 

Now there are only 337 bindus allocated for 7 planets by maharishi.

We say that as per Vedic Astrology that many planets in 3rd house

makes a person very parakramic. The same if you study from SAV view

point and BAV you will notice if u study the BAV scheme (Given by

Varharamira maharishi) that most planets distribute 1 bindu to the

11th place from it. If you study charts of people with a lot of

planets (not nodes) in 3rd house then such people will have very high

total points in their SAV in lagna showing their personality as more

adament people with a lot of confidence also maybe short tempered

 

Since there are a fixed 337 bindus allocated very high points in any

1 house will be at the cost of some other house.

 

So its not necassary to have very high bindus in a house. Yes

transit of planets over such houses (with high points) will not be

bad.

 

The whole system of Ashtakavarg is based on relative placement of

planets.

 

Maharishi Parasara and Varharamira have given the BAV scheme to us

which distributes the benefic bindus by 7 planets and lagna. Lagna

has its importance due to the fact it gives us reference for example

we say Sun in 4th house or sun in 5th both mean different thing.

This is obtained from reference from lagna and hence its importance.

 

Once u distribute the points you add up the points for all the 7

planets (reference of lagna is already included) to get the strength

of each house which we call SAV.

 

By the time u get the SAV strength you have unknowingly calculated

most of the Yogs with their contras i.e. yogs that are based on

relative positioning of planets. Speical yogs like 4:10 or aspects

and other yogs like venus to sun distance, venus in particular

nakshtra etc have to be considered seperately.

 

This SAV then gives the basis from which you derive and go into the

next level to compute the actual strength of the planet.

 

It is a very detailed topic.

 

I agree that the texts available today do not do justice to

Ashtakvarg. No where in no classics is the system of ashtakvarg in

given in detail to find out the timing of events.

 

Things like kalsarp yog, kalamrit yog, grah malik yog etc can be seen

at a glace if one studies the SAV points distribution.

 

For thigns like Sade-Sati, kantak shani i.e. Shanis transit over

12th, 1st and 2nd from Moon can also be seen using BAV. Maharishi has

allocated 39 bindus to Shani in its BAV only. Similarly for Mars.

39/12 is approx 3 bindus. So as a thumb rule if Shani in his BAV is

giving 3 bindus to 12th, 1st or 2nd from Moon then such a transit of

shani might not be that bad.

 

At the same time Transit of Guru is also very important to study.

Guru and Shani rule the last 4 houses in kal purush chart especially

if you want to time financial success.

 

In any case its all a very detailed topic of discussion.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, sanjay@s... wrote:

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Ramesh,

> By definition it seems all the 8(Ashta)parameters are to be added

to

> to get Sarva Ashtaka Varga points.

> But some commonly accepted way is to ignore Lagna. I personnaly

> sometimes try to Add the lagna points to compare.

> Ashtakavarga is mostly based on transits of Naisargika(Natural)

> kaaraka which are used to judge the change in society and

situations

> around is my understanding. So the play of Lagna could be minimal

and

> that may also explain why transits from moon are given

comparitively

> more importance. As moon is natural significator of society and

mind.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

> Om Tat Sat

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

> <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:

> > Satyam Bruyat Piryam Bruyat

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > I find that SAV rekhas/points are calculated in JHL by adding

> points of BAV

> > of 7 planets. Though there is a chart showing points counted

w.r.t

> Asc, the

> > SAV chart appears to excludes the same. I would like to know if my

> > understanding is correct and if Asc points are to be added while

> checking

> > strength of bhavas against dictums like <25= damaged, between 25-

30

> = medium

> > effects and >30 = advance the effects of bhava!

> >

> > Regards

> > Ramesh

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Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Sanjay P,

Thank you for your reply. The medium range of 25-30 is probably with all the

8 references counted. Do you take a different medium range for SAVs w/o

Lagna?

Best Regards

Ramesh

 

 

sanjay [sanjay]

Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:23 PM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: SAV points as given in JHL, clarification

 

 

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Ramesh,

By definition it seems all the 8(Ashta)parameters are to be added to

to get Sarva Ashtaka Varga points.

But some commonly accepted way is to ignore Lagna. I personnaly

sometimes try to Add the lagna points to compare.

Ashtakavarga is mostly based on transits of Naisargika(Natural)

kaaraka which are used to judge the change in society and situations

around is my understanding. So the play of Lagna could be minimal and

that may also explain why transits from moon are given comparitively

more importance. As moon is natural significator of society and mind.

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

 

Om Tat Sat

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

<ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:

> Satyam Bruyat Piryam Bruyat

>

> Dear Members,

>

> I find that SAV rekhas/points are calculated in JHL by adding

points of BAV

> of 7 planets. Though there is a chart showing points counted w.r.t

Asc, the

> SAV chart appears to excludes the same. I would like to know if my

> understanding is correct and if Asc points are to be added while

checking

> strength of bhavas against dictums like <25= damaged, between 25-30

= medium

> effects and >30 = advance the effects of bhava!

>

> Regards

> Ramesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Ash,

Thank you for a detailed reply. I have been trying to understand ways of

differentiating difficult sade-satis from those that may not be so

difficult. One of the ways I understand is to check Rashis through which the

Saturn passes. The other dictum I have read is that people born in sade sati

do not experience a difficult period during future sade-satis.

You have made one more addition by suggesting to check BAV points of Saturn

in 12th, 1st and 2nd houses from Moon. I am a Leo Asc with Moon in Virgo,

BAV of 3,0,4 in 12th, 1st and 2nd. I have technically gone through 2

sade-satis one at the time of birth and second 77-85. I think my sade-satis

have been relatively easy, especially when I read about the difficulties

some others have had to go through! Being born in sadesati may 'explain' it.

BAV points of 3 and 4 would explain easier times during transits through Leo

and Libra. 0 point in Virgo which had Moon and Ketu would however indicate a

difficult period. Is there something more to it?

Kind regards

Ramesh

 

Dear Sanjay and Rao,

Thank you for confirming that points of Lagna need to be added, exact if

available or an average of 4!

Best Regards

Ramesh

 

 

ashsam73 [ashsam73]

Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:05 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: SAV points as given in JHL, clarification

 

 

Dear Ramesh and Sanjay,

 

Make no mistake. There is much more to the application of

Ashtakvarga than just for transits.

 

Ramesh, 28 bindus is average. 29 bindus would make a house benefic.

7 planets each can get upto 8 bindus (7 planets and lagna) max. So

if a planet gets 0 to 3 bindus then its malefic, 4 is neutral and 5 -

8 is benefic. So at an average if 7 planets are getting 4 bindus

then total strength of Bhava = 28.

 

Now there are only 337 bindus allocated for 7 planets by maharishi.

We say that as per Vedic Astrology that many planets in 3rd house

makes a person very parakramic. The same if you study from SAV view

point and BAV you will notice if u study the BAV scheme (Given by

Varharamira maharishi) that most planets distribute 1 bindu to the

11th place from it. If you study charts of people with a lot of

planets (not nodes) in 3rd house then such people will have very high

total points in their SAV in lagna showing their personality as more

adament people with a lot of confidence also maybe short tempered

 

Since there are a fixed 337 bindus allocated very high points in any

1 house will be at the cost of some other house.

 

So its not necassary to have very high bindus in a house. Yes

transit of planets over such houses (with high points) will not be

bad.

 

The whole system of Ashtakavarg is based on relative placement of

planets.

 

Maharishi Parasara and Varharamira have given the BAV scheme to us

which distributes the benefic bindus by 7 planets and lagna. Lagna

has its importance due to the fact it gives us reference for example

we say Sun in 4th house or sun in 5th both mean different thing.

This is obtained from reference from lagna and hence its importance.

 

Once u distribute the points you add up the points for all the 7

planets (reference of lagna is already included) to get the strength

of each house which we call SAV.

 

By the time u get the SAV strength you have unknowingly calculated

most of the Yogs with their contras i.e. yogs that are based on

relative positioning of planets. Speical yogs like 4:10 or aspects

and other yogs like venus to sun distance, venus in particular

nakshtra etc have to be considered seperately.

 

This SAV then gives the basis from which you derive and go into the

next level to compute the actual strength of the planet.

 

It is a very detailed topic.

 

I agree that the texts available today do not do justice to

Ashtakvarg. No where in no classics is the system of ashtakvarg in

given in detail to find out the timing of events.

 

Things like kalsarp yog, kalamrit yog, grah malik yog etc can be seen

at a glace if one studies the SAV points distribution.

 

For thigns like Sade-Sati, kantak shani i.e. Shanis transit over

12th, 1st and 2nd from Moon can also be seen using BAV. Maharishi has

allocated 39 bindus to Shani in its BAV only. Similarly for Mars.

39/12 is approx 3 bindus. So as a thumb rule if Shani in his BAV is

giving 3 bindus to 12th, 1st or 2nd from Moon then such a transit of

shani might not be that bad.

 

At the same time Transit of Guru is also very important to study.

Guru and Shani rule the last 4 houses in kal purush chart especially

if you want to time financial success.

 

In any case its all a very detailed topic of discussion.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, sanjay@s... wrote:

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Ramesh,

> By definition it seems all the 8(Ashta)parameters are to be added

to

> to get Sarva Ashtaka Varga points.

> But some commonly accepted way is to ignore Lagna. I personnaly

> sometimes try to Add the lagna points to compare.

> Ashtakavarga is mostly based on transits of Naisargika(Natural)

> kaaraka which are used to judge the change in society and

situations

> around is my understanding. So the play of Lagna could be minimal

and

> that may also explain why transits from moon are given

comparitively

> more importance. As moon is natural significator of society and

mind.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

> Om Tat Sat

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

> <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:

> > Satyam Bruyat Piryam Bruyat

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > I find that SAV rekhas/points are calculated in JHL by adding

> points of BAV

> > of 7 planets. Though there is a chart showing points counted

w.r.t

> Asc, the

> > SAV chart appears to excludes the same. I would like to know if my

> > understanding is correct and if Asc points are to be added while

> checking

> > strength of bhavas against dictums like <25= damaged, between 25-

30

> = medium

> > effects and >30 = advance the effects of bhava!

> >

> > Regards

> > Ramesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Members,

 

Being born in a Sade-Sati is no reason for Shani to be less severe,

At least this is so in my case.I was born in a Sade-Sati with a Shani-

Chandra Yoga in the Karma Bhava.

 

(11,June,1972;Cuttack,Orissa,India;10:15AM). I feel natal condition

of Shani, SAV score in a Bhava and the number of Grahas it aspects

and actually transits over will determine results. In this case, for

Vrishabh Rashi, Shani in first phase for Neecha in Bhagya Bhava

(Simha Lagna), in second it transited over Shani-Chandra-Surya in

Karma Bhava, forming Kantak from Lagna and in the third it transited

over Budh-Shukra-Mangal in Labh aspecting Guru Mahadasha in Putra

Bhava, forming Kantak from AL.

 

Thus, all Graha energies were covered in this transit. Seven years of

a simultaneous Guru Dasha mitigated the suffering but did not

encroach in Shani's areas. Likewise, Shani could not keep Guru from

giving His traditionally auspicious results. They did not mutually

intrude. But Shani allowed nothing to fructify. The Sade-Sati has

been extraordinarily difficult as is obvious from the Graha

placements.

 

Some of the Sade-Sati features have been: inexplicable humiliation,

delays, isolation, misery, loss, psychological death and rebirth,

immense pain due to crude witnessing of reality etc.

 

Some of parallel Guru Dasha results have been: Jyotish, physical

transformation, spiritual initiation by Brihaspati himself,

prosperity, weight, Sattwa, Rajas, confidence, optimism, skill,

magifying of individual horizons, "treasure": material goods and

occult secrets etc.

 

Regards.

 

Anurag Sharma.

 

 

 

- In vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

<ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:

> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

>

> Dear Ash,

> Thank you for a detailed reply. I have been trying to understand

ways of

> differentiating difficult sade-satis from those that may not be so

> difficult. One of the ways I understand is to check Rashis through

which the

> Saturn passes. The other dictum I have read is that people born in

sade sati

> do not experience a difficult period during future sade-satis.

> You have made one more addition by suggesting to check BAV points

of Saturn

> in 12th, 1st and 2nd houses from Moon. I am a Leo Asc with Moon in

Virgo,

> BAV of 3,0,4 in 12th, 1st and 2nd. I have technically gone through 2

> sade-satis one at the time of birth and second 77-85. I think my

sade-satis

> have been relatively easy, especially when I read about the

difficulties

> some others have had to go through! Being born in sadesati

may 'explain' it.

> BAV points of 3 and 4 would explain easier times during transits

through Leo

> and Libra. 0 point in Virgo which had Moon and Ketu would however

indicate a

> difficult period. Is there something more to it?

> Kind regards

> Ramesh

>

> Dear Sanjay and Rao,

> Thank you for confirming that points of Lagna need to be added,

exact if

> available or an average of 4!

> Best Regards

> Ramesh

>

>

> ashsam73 [ashsam73]

> Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:05 AM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: SAV points as given in JHL,

clarification

>

>

> Dear Ramesh and Sanjay,

>

> Make no mistake. There is much more to the application of

> Ashtakvarga than just for transits.

>

> Ramesh, 28 bindus is average. 29 bindus would make a house benefic.

> 7 planets each can get upto 8 bindus (7 planets and lagna) max. So

> if a planet gets 0 to 3 bindus then its malefic, 4 is neutral and

5 -

> 8 is benefic. So at an average if 7 planets are getting 4 bindus

> then total strength of Bhava = 28.

>

> Now there are only 337 bindus allocated for 7 planets by maharishi.

> We say that as per Vedic Astrology that many planets in 3rd house

> makes a person very parakramic. The same if you study from SAV view

> point and BAV you will notice if u study the BAV scheme (Given by

> Varharamira maharishi) that most planets distribute 1 bindu to the

> 11th place from it. If you study charts of people with a lot of

> planets (not nodes) in 3rd house then such people will have very

high

> total points in their SAV in lagna showing their personality as more

> adament people with a lot of confidence also maybe short tempered

>

> Since there are a fixed 337 bindus allocated very high points in any

> 1 house will be at the cost of some other house.

>

> So its not necassary to have very high bindus in a house. Yes

> transit of planets over such houses (with high points) will not be

> bad.

>

> The whole system of Ashtakavarg is based on relative placement of

> planets.

>

> Maharishi Parasara and Varharamira have given the BAV scheme to us

> which distributes the benefic bindus by 7 planets and lagna. Lagna

> has its importance due to the fact it gives us reference for example

> we say Sun in 4th house or sun in 5th both mean different thing.

> This is obtained from reference from lagna and hence its importance.

>

> Once u distribute the points you add up the points for all the 7

> planets (reference of lagna is already included) to get the strength

> of each house which we call SAV.

>

> By the time u get the SAV strength you have unknowingly calculated

> most of the Yogs with their contras i.e. yogs that are based on

> relative positioning of planets. Speical yogs like 4:10 or aspects

> and other yogs like venus to sun distance, venus in particular

> nakshtra etc have to be considered seperately.

>

> This SAV then gives the basis from which you derive and go into the

> next level to compute the actual strength of the planet.

>

> It is a very detailed topic.

>

> I agree that the texts available today do not do justice to

> Ashtakvarg. No where in no classics is the system of ashtakvarg in

> given in detail to find out the timing of events.

>

> Things like kalsarp yog, kalamrit yog, grah malik yog etc can be

seen

> at a glace if one studies the SAV points distribution.

>

> For thigns like Sade-Sati, kantak shani i.e. Shanis transit over

> 12th, 1st and 2nd from Moon can also be seen using BAV. Maharishi

has

> allocated 39 bindus to Shani in its BAV only. Similarly for Mars.

> 39/12 is approx 3 bindus. So as a thumb rule if Shani in his BAV is

> giving 3 bindus to 12th, 1st or 2nd from Moon then such a transit of

> shani might not be that bad.

>

> At the same time Transit of Guru is also very important to study.

> Guru and Shani rule the last 4 houses in kal purush chart especially

> if you want to time financial success.

>

> In any case its all a very detailed topic of discussion.

>

> Just my 2 cents.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, sanjay@s... wrote:

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > By definition it seems all the 8(Ashta)parameters are to be added

> to

> > to get Sarva Ashtaka Varga points.

> > But some commonly accepted way is to ignore Lagna. I personnaly

> > sometimes try to Add the lagna points to compare.

> > Ashtakavarga is mostly based on transits of Naisargika(Natural)

> > kaaraka which are used to judge the change in society and

> situations

> > around is my understanding. So the play of Lagna could be minimal

> and

> > that may also explain why transits from moon are given

> comparitively

> > more importance. As moon is natural significator of society and

> mind.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> > Om Tat Sat

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

> > <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:

> > > Satyam Bruyat Piryam Bruyat

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > I find that SAV rekhas/points are calculated in JHL by adding

> > points of BAV

> > > of 7 planets. Though there is a chart showing points counted

> w.r.t

> > Asc, the

> > > SAV chart appears to excludes the same. I would like to know if

my

> > > understanding is correct and if Asc points are to be added while

> > checking

> > > strength of bhavas against dictums like <25= damaged, between

25-

> 30

> > = medium

> > > effects and >30 = advance the effects of bhava!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Ramesh

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Ramesh,

Definitely there is so much more to it. It would be helpful if I had

your chart. One has to first study planets and their poitions and

degrees and their status.

 

First thing is that antra dasha is very important. Transits show

environment. You have Shani giving 0 point in the place where lagna

is. One has to first understand what it means. If antardasha holds

promise of say Good income and at the same time Shani is transitting

a house with 0 points or even Mars then mostly unless Guru is

transitting a houswe with 8 bindus the total is going to be less than

8. So it means that person will have income (if someone asks a

question on how the income will be) but at the same time if Shani and

Guru are not favouring in their transit then the person will not be

able to enjoy it. Again if the antra running is say of 2nd lord then

there will even be more worries. etc etc. etc.

 

The contra of it, say if the Antra lord is not supporting good income

and at the same time Guru and Shani are favouring here I mean its

having total of > 8 bindus then such a person might make his day to

day needs met. Maybe he may get help from family or friends or

wife / husband etc. Again here if you study keenly Sa and Ju rule

9,10,11 and 12th hosue of the kal purush chart. They hold karaktwa

of 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th.

 

You can test this out on so many charts. Sometimes when antra is

good at the same time Shani and Ju are favouring then in such cases

one gets good income and he can enjoy it as well. The environemnt

also lends support and becomes favourable.

 

My suggestion is that before you hear terms like Sadi Sati, Kal Sarp

yog etc study these thigns.

 

If you study kal sarp charts or kal amrit charts from SAV view point

you will find that in most cases SAV points might be either low or

high in continuity.

 

Now say if continiuously 4 or 5 houses r low together then planets

more planest transitting a house with < 28 bindus will make the total

points < 197 so such people will feel that things are not going their

way or in short have prolonged periods of suffering and due to that

they may turn more spiritual. Now in such charts also on the other

side of the same coin the SAV bindus are fixed at 337. So it means

that if a few houses continiously have less points i.e < 28 then some

other houses will have much higher points as the total is fixed to

337. So when the plnaets finally get out or exit such houses and

move into a house with high points then there are more chances of

total points to be > 197 so its then Make up time....

 

I am out of time... for now....

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

<ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:

> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

>

> Dear Ash,

> Thank you for a detailed reply. I have been trying to understand

ways of

> differentiating difficult sade-satis from those that may not be so

> difficult. One of the ways I understand is to check Rashis through

which the

> Saturn passes. The other dictum I have read is that people born in

sade sati

> do not experience a difficult period during future sade-satis.

> You have made one more addition by suggesting to check BAV points

of Saturn

> in 12th, 1st and 2nd houses from Moon. I am a Leo Asc with Moon in

Virgo,

> BAV of 3,0,4 in 12th, 1st and 2nd. I have technically gone through 2

> sade-satis one at the time of birth and second 77-85. I think my

sade-satis

> have been relatively easy, especially when I read about the

difficulties

> some others have had to go through! Being born in sadesati

may 'explain' it.

> BAV points of 3 and 4 would explain easier times during transits

through Leo

> and Libra. 0 point in Virgo which had Moon and Ketu would however

indicate a

> difficult period. Is there something more to it?

> Kind regards

> Ramesh

>

> Dear Sanjay and Rao,

> Thank you for confirming that points of Lagna need to be added,

exact if

> available or an average of 4!

> Best Regards

> Ramesh

>

>

> ashsam73 [ashsam73]

> Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:05 AM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: SAV points as given in JHL,

clarification

>

>

> Dear Ramesh and Sanjay,

>

> Make no mistake. There is much more to the application of

> Ashtakvarga than just for transits.

>

> Ramesh, 28 bindus is average. 29 bindus would make a house benefic.

> 7 planets each can get upto 8 bindus (7 planets and lagna) max. So

> if a planet gets 0 to 3 bindus then its malefic, 4 is neutral and

5 -

> 8 is benefic. So at an average if 7 planets are getting 4 bindus

> then total strength of Bhava = 28.

>

> Now there are only 337 bindus allocated for 7 planets by maharishi.

> We say that as per Vedic Astrology that many planets in 3rd house

> makes a person very parakramic. The same if you study from SAV view

> point and BAV you will notice if u study the BAV scheme (Given by

> Varharamira maharishi) that most planets distribute 1 bindu to the

> 11th place from it. If you study charts of people with a lot of

> planets (not nodes) in 3rd house then such people will have very

high

> total points in their SAV in lagna showing their personality as more

> adament people with a lot of confidence also maybe short tempered

>

> Since there are a fixed 337 bindus allocated very high points in any

> 1 house will be at the cost of some other house.

>

> So its not necassary to have very high bindus in a house. Yes

> transit of planets over such houses (with high points) will not be

> bad.

>

> The whole system of Ashtakavarg is based on relative placement of

> planets.

>

> Maharishi Parasara and Varharamira have given the BAV scheme to us

> which distributes the benefic bindus by 7 planets and lagna. Lagna

> has its importance due to the fact it gives us reference for example

> we say Sun in 4th house or sun in 5th both mean different thing.

> This is obtained from reference from lagna and hence its importance.

>

> Once u distribute the points you add up the points for all the 7

> planets (reference of lagna is already included) to get the strength

> of each house which we call SAV.

>

> By the time u get the SAV strength you have unknowingly calculated

> most of the Yogs with their contras i.e. yogs that are based on

> relative positioning of planets. Speical yogs like 4:10 or aspects

> and other yogs like venus to sun distance, venus in particular

> nakshtra etc have to be considered seperately.

>

> This SAV then gives the basis from which you derive and go into the

> next level to compute the actual strength of the planet.

>

> It is a very detailed topic.

>

> I agree that the texts available today do not do justice to

> Ashtakvarg. No where in no classics is the system of ashtakvarg in

> given in detail to find out the timing of events.

>

> Things like kalsarp yog, kalamrit yog, grah malik yog etc can be

seen

> at a glace if one studies the SAV points distribution.

>

> For thigns like Sade-Sati, kantak shani i.e. Shanis transit over

> 12th, 1st and 2nd from Moon can also be seen using BAV. Maharishi

has

> allocated 39 bindus to Shani in its BAV only. Similarly for Mars.

> 39/12 is approx 3 bindus. So as a thumb rule if Shani in his BAV is

> giving 3 bindus to 12th, 1st or 2nd from Moon then such a transit of

> shani might not be that bad.

>

> At the same time Transit of Guru is also very important to study.

> Guru and Shani rule the last 4 houses in kal purush chart especially

> if you want to time financial success.

>

> In any case its all a very detailed topic of discussion.

>

> Just my 2 cents.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, sanjay@s... wrote:

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > By definition it seems all the 8(Ashta)parameters are to be added

> to

> > to get Sarva Ashtaka Varga points.

> > But some commonly accepted way is to ignore Lagna. I personnaly

> > sometimes try to Add the lagna points to compare.

> > Ashtakavarga is mostly based on transits of Naisargika(Natural)

> > kaaraka which are used to judge the change in society and

> situations

> > around is my understanding. So the play of Lagna could be minimal

> and

> > that may also explain why transits from moon are given

> comparitively

> > more importance. As moon is natural significator of society and

> mind.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> > Om Tat Sat

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

> > <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:

> > > Satyam Bruyat Piryam Bruyat

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > I find that SAV rekhas/points are calculated in JHL by adding

> > points of BAV

> > > of 7 planets. Though there is a chart showing points counted

> w.r.t

> > Asc, the

> > > SAV chart appears to excludes the same. I would like to know if

my

> > > understanding is correct and if Asc points are to be added while

> > checking

> > > strength of bhavas against dictums like <25= damaged, between

25-

> 30

> > = medium

> > > effects and >30 = advance the effects of bhava!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Ramesh

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

 

>

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Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Ash,

 

Please find the chart attached. Birth details are as under:

 

July 31, 1949

Time: 9:04:00AM

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Longitude: 73 E 13' 00"

Latitude: 22 N 18' 00"

 

I have noted your point regarding AD. I am however attempting to understand

the link between transit of Saturn and its BAV points in various houses. A

correction in your first para, Saturn is giving 0 points in the house where

Moon is placed.

 

Your last para is also informative. Thanks.

 

Best Regards

Ramesh

 

 

ashsam73 [ashsam73]

Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:44 PM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: SAV points as given in JHL, clarification

 

 

Dear Ramesh,

Definitely there is so much more to it. It would be helpful if I had

your chart. One has to first study planets and their poitions and

degrees and their status.

 

First thing is that antra dasha is very important. Transits show

environment. You have Shani giving 0 point in the place where lagna

is. One has to first understand what it means. If antardasha holds

promise of say Good income and at the same time Shani is transitting

a house with 0 points or even Mars then mostly unless Guru is

transitting a houswe with 8 bindus the total is going to be less than

8. So it means that person will have income (if someone asks a

question on how the income will be) but at the same time if Shani and

Guru are not favouring in their transit then the person will not be

able to enjoy it. Again if the antra running is say of 2nd lord then

there will even be more worries. etc etc. etc.

 

The contra of it, say if the Antra lord is not supporting good income

and at the same time Guru and Shani are favouring here I mean its

having total of > 8 bindus then such a person might make his day to

day needs met. Maybe he may get help from family or friends or

wife / husband etc. Again here if you study keenly Sa and Ju rule

9,10,11 and 12th hosue of the kal purush chart. They hold karaktwa

of 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th.

 

You can test this out on so many charts. Sometimes when antra is

good at the same time Shani and Ju are favouring then in such cases

one gets good income and he can enjoy it as well. The environemnt

also lends support and becomes favourable.

 

My suggestion is that before you hear terms like Sadi Sati, Kal Sarp

yog etc study these thigns.

 

If you study kal sarp charts or kal amrit charts from SAV view point

you will find that in most cases SAV points might be either low or

high in continuity.

 

Now say if continiuously 4 or 5 houses r low together then planets

more planest transitting a house with < 28 bindus will make the total

points < 197 so such people will feel that things are not going their

way or in short have prolonged periods of suffering and due to that

they may turn more spiritual. Now in such charts also on the other

side of the same coin the SAV bindus are fixed at 337. So it means

that if a few houses continiously have less points i.e < 28 then some

other houses will have much higher points as the total is fixed to

337. So when the plnaets finally get out or exit such houses and

move into a house with high points then there are more chances of

total points to be > 197 so its then Make up time....

 

I am out of time... for now....

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

<ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:

> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

>

> Dear Ash,

> Thank you for a detailed reply. I have been trying to understand

ways of

> differentiating difficult sade-satis from those that may not be so

> difficult. One of the ways I understand is to check Rashis through

which the

> Saturn passes. The other dictum I have read is that people born in

sade sati

> do not experience a difficult period during future sade-satis.

> You have made one more addition by suggesting to check BAV points

of Saturn

> in 12th, 1st and 2nd houses from Moon. I am a Leo Asc with Moon in

Virgo,

> BAV of 3,0,4 in 12th, 1st and 2nd. I have technically gone through 2

> sade-satis one at the time of birth and second 77-85. I think my

sade-satis

> have been relatively easy, especially when I read about the

difficulties

> some others have had to go through! Being born in sadesati

may 'explain' it.

> BAV points of 3 and 4 would explain easier times during transits

through Leo

> and Libra. 0 point in Virgo which had Moon and Ketu would however

indicate a

> difficult period. Is there something more to it?

> Kind regards

> Ramesh

>

> Dear Sanjay and Rao,

> Thank you for confirming that points of Lagna need to be added,

exact if

> available or an average of 4!

> Best Regards

> Ramesh

>

>

> ashsam73 [ashsam73]

> Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:05 AM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: SAV points as given in JHL,

clarification

>

>

> Dear Ramesh and Sanjay,

>

> Make no mistake. There is much more to the application of

> Ashtakvarga than just for transits.

>

> Ramesh, 28 bindus is average. 29 bindus would make a house benefic.

> 7 planets each can get upto 8 bindus (7 planets and lagna) max. So

> if a planet gets 0 to 3 bindus then its malefic, 4 is neutral and

5 -

> 8 is benefic. So at an average if 7 planets are getting 4 bindus

> then total strength of Bhava = 28.

>

> Now there are only 337 bindus allocated for 7 planets by maharishi.

> We say that as per Vedic Astrology that many planets in 3rd house

> makes a person very parakramic. The same if you study from SAV view

> point and BAV you will notice if u study the BAV scheme (Given by

> Varharamira maharishi) that most planets distribute 1 bindu to the

> 11th place from it. If you study charts of people with a lot of

> planets (not nodes) in 3rd house then such people will have very

high

> total points in their SAV in lagna showing their personality as more

> adament people with a lot of confidence also maybe short tempered

>

> Since there are a fixed 337 bindus allocated very high points in any

> 1 house will be at the cost of some other house.

>

> So its not necassary to have very high bindus in a house. Yes

> transit of planets over such houses (with high points) will not be

> bad.

>

> The whole system of Ashtakavarg is based on relative placement of

> planets.

>

> Maharishi Parasara and Varharamira have given the BAV scheme to us

> which distributes the benefic bindus by 7 planets and lagna. Lagna

> has its importance due to the fact it gives us reference for example

> we say Sun in 4th house or sun in 5th both mean different thing.

> This is obtained from reference from lagna and hence its importance.

>

> Once u distribute the points you add up the points for all the 7

> planets (reference of lagna is already included) to get the strength

> of each house which we call SAV.

>

> By the time u get the SAV strength you have unknowingly calculated

> most of the Yogs with their contras i.e. yogs that are based on

> relative positioning of planets. Speical yogs like 4:10 or aspects

> and other yogs like venus to sun distance, venus in particular

> nakshtra etc have to be considered seperately.

>

> This SAV then gives the basis from which you derive and go into the

> next level to compute the actual strength of the planet.

>

> It is a very detailed topic.

>

> I agree that the texts available today do not do justice to

> Ashtakvarg. No where in no classics is the system of ashtakvarg in

> given in detail to find out the timing of events.

>

> Things like kalsarp yog, kalamrit yog, grah malik yog etc can be

seen

> at a glace if one studies the SAV points distribution.

>

> For thigns like Sade-Sati, kantak shani i.e. Shanis transit over

> 12th, 1st and 2nd from Moon can also be seen using BAV. Maharishi

has

> allocated 39 bindus to Shani in its BAV only. Similarly for Mars.

> 39/12 is approx 3 bindus. So as a thumb rule if Shani in his BAV is

> giving 3 bindus to 12th, 1st or 2nd from Moon then such a transit of

> shani might not be that bad.

>

> At the same time Transit of Guru is also very important to study.

> Guru and Shani rule the last 4 houses in kal purush chart especially

> if you want to time financial success.

>

> In any case its all a very detailed topic of discussion.

>

> Just my 2 cents.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, sanjay@s... wrote:

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > By definition it seems all the 8(Ashta)parameters are to be added

> to

> > to get Sarva Ashtaka Varga points.

> > But some commonly accepted way is to ignore Lagna. I personnaly

> > sometimes try to Add the lagna points to compare.

> > Ashtakavarga is mostly based on transits of Naisargika(Natural)

> > kaaraka which are used to judge the change in society and

> situations

> > around is my understanding. So the play of Lagna could be minimal

> and

> > that may also explain why transits from moon are given

> comparitively

> > more importance. As moon is natural significator of society and

> mind.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> > Om Tat Sat

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

> > <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:

> > > Satyam Bruyat Piryam Bruyat

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > I find that SAV rekhas/points are calculated in JHL by adding

> > points of BAV

> > > of 7 planets. Though there is a chart showing points counted

> w.r.t

> > Asc, the

> > > SAV chart appears to excludes the same. I would like to know if

my

> > > understanding is correct and if Asc points are to be added while

> > checking

> > > strength of bhavas against dictums like <25= damaged, between

25-

> 30

> > = medium

> > > effects and >30 = advance the effects of bhava!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Ramesh

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

 

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Ramesh,

I casted your chart. You must have a compromising nature and must me

adjusting. Moon is very closely aspected by Rahu. Lagna lord is in

12th and lagna has 22 points. It could mean that you will adjust

adjust to a point and when u reach your limit u may just explode.

Also you have lagna/sun/moon in 5 sectors of mars in navamsa,

drekkhana and triansha.

 

Now coming to the Sa's transit over virgo from say Jul/aug 1980 to

Oct 1982 might be more stressful.

 

Now at that time Guru mahadasha was running and Venus antra. Venus

has highest Ashtakvarg points for 10th house (Derived from SAV and it

includes aspects etc etc) of 22 for 10th house. During this time you

might have held good authority position. Venus also has good points

for 6th house and also lagna so you might have cystal clear thoughts

and if faced with difficult situations you can think your way you.

 

At that time Shani was transitting virgo your 2nd house with 0 points

and at that time Jupiter was say about 20 degress into Libra where it

has 6 bindus strength. So total = 6. However this period i.e. When

Ju was still in Virgo with Shani at that time total would be 3 only

i.e. from 1980 - 1981. That time you might have faced a crunch or

felt that things were not going your way.

Can you confirm this please.

 

Venus antra is good for you in terms if Job.'

 

Even current period is good for you for job but Sa and Jupiter poitns

are 7. So again might feel stress. This current period is also or

will give u stress as its of Rahu who is SD to 2nd lord. Rahu is

samdharmi to Guru and Mercu and its more towards Mercury as Mercury

has 6 bindus sterngth in 8th hosue and Guru has 5.

 

Next antra is that of Guru. It will be very good for you interms of

income. Mahadasha is also of Shani, Karak for 11th house (8th from

11th). At the same time Ju and Sa total points will be 9.

 

Good times ahead for you. The current period is also good but it

will come with stress. Good in the sense of income and accumulation

of wealth, aquistion of car, happiness from home etc. Its also a

very good time for learning or gaining knowledge. Good savings also.

 

Please give feeback it will help in learning.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

<ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:

> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Please find the chart attached. Birth details are as under:

>

> July 31, 1949

> Time: 9:04:00AM

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Longitude: 73 E 13' 00"

> Latitude: 22 N 18' 00"

>

> I have noted your point regarding AD. I am however attempting to

understand

> the link between transit of Saturn and its BAV points in various

houses. A

> correction in your first para, Saturn is giving 0 points in the

house where

> Moon is placed.

>

> Your last para is also informative. Thanks.

>

> Best Regards

> Ramesh

>

>

> ashsam73 [ashsam73]

> Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:44 PM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: SAV points as given in JHL,

clarification

>

>

> Dear Ramesh,

> Definitely there is so much more to it. It would be helpful if I

had

> your chart. One has to first study planets and their poitions and

> degrees and their status.

>

> First thing is that antra dasha is very important. Transits show

> environment. You have Shani giving 0 point in the place where lagna

> is. One has to first understand what it means. If antardasha holds

> promise of say Good income and at the same time Shani is transitting

> a house with 0 points or even Mars then mostly unless Guru is

> transitting a houswe with 8 bindus the total is going to be less

than

> 8. So it means that person will have income (if someone asks a

> question on how the income will be) but at the same time if Shani

and

> Guru are not favouring in their transit then the person will not be

> able to enjoy it. Again if the antra running is say of 2nd lord

then

> there will even be more worries. etc etc. etc.

>

> The contra of it, say if the Antra lord is not supporting good

income

> and at the same time Guru and Shani are favouring here I mean its

> having total of > 8 bindus then such a person might make his day to

> day needs met. Maybe he may get help from family or friends or

> wife / husband etc. Again here if you study keenly Sa and Ju rule

> 9,10,11 and 12th hosue of the kal purush chart. They hold karaktwa

> of 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th.

>

> You can test this out on so many charts. Sometimes when antra is

> good at the same time Shani and Ju are favouring then in such cases

> one gets good income and he can enjoy it as well. The environemnt

> also lends support and becomes favourable.

>

> My suggestion is that before you hear terms like Sadi Sati, Kal Sarp

> yog etc study these thigns.

>

> If you study kal sarp charts or kal amrit charts from SAV view point

> you will find that in most cases SAV points might be either low or

> high in continuity.

>

> Now say if continiuously 4 or 5 houses r low together then planets

> more planest transitting a house with < 28 bindus will make the

total

> points < 197 so such people will feel that things are not going

their

> way or in short have prolonged periods of suffering and due to that

> they may turn more spiritual. Now in such charts also on the other

> side of the same coin the SAV bindus are fixed at 337. So it means

> that if a few houses continiously have less points i.e < 28 then

some

> other houses will have much higher points as the total is fixed to

> 337. So when the plnaets finally get out or exit such houses and

> move into a house with high points then there are more chances of

> total points to be > 197 so its then Make up time....

>

> I am out of time... for now....

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

> <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:

> > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> > Thank you for a detailed reply. I have been trying to understand

> ways of

> > differentiating difficult sade-satis from those that may not be so

> > difficult. One of the ways I understand is to check Rashis through

> which the

> > Saturn passes. The other dictum I have read is that people born in

> sade sati

> > do not experience a difficult period during future sade-satis.

> > You have made one more addition by suggesting to check BAV points

> of Saturn

> > in 12th, 1st and 2nd houses from Moon. I am a Leo Asc with Moon in

> Virgo,

> > BAV of 3,0,4 in 12th, 1st and 2nd. I have technically gone

through 2

> > sade-satis one at the time of birth and second 77-85. I think my

> sade-satis

> > have been relatively easy, especially when I read about the

> difficulties

> > some others have had to go through! Being born in sadesati

> may 'explain' it.

> > BAV points of 3 and 4 would explain easier times during transits

> through Leo

> > and Libra. 0 point in Virgo which had Moon and Ketu would however

> indicate a

> > difficult period. Is there something more to it?

> > Kind regards

> > Ramesh

> >

> > Dear Sanjay and Rao,

> > Thank you for confirming that points of Lagna need to be added,

> exact if

> > available or an average of 4!

> > Best Regards

> > Ramesh

> >

> >

> > ashsam73 [ashsam73]

> > Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:05 AM

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] Re: SAV points as given in JHL,

> clarification

> >

> >

> > Dear Ramesh and Sanjay,

> >

> > Make no mistake. There is much more to the application of

> > Ashtakvarga than just for transits.

> >

> > Ramesh, 28 bindus is average. 29 bindus would make a house

benefic.

> > 7 planets each can get upto 8 bindus (7 planets and lagna) max.

So

> > if a planet gets 0 to 3 bindus then its malefic, 4 is neutral and

> 5 -

> > 8 is benefic. So at an average if 7 planets are getting 4 bindus

> > then total strength of Bhava = 28.

> >

> > Now there are only 337 bindus allocated for 7 planets by

maharishi.

> > We say that as per Vedic Astrology that many planets in 3rd house

> > makes a person very parakramic. The same if you study from SAV

view

> > point and BAV you will notice if u study the BAV scheme (Given by

> > Varharamira maharishi) that most planets distribute 1 bindu to the

> > 11th place from it. If you study charts of people with a lot of

> > planets (not nodes) in 3rd house then such people will have very

> high

> > total points in their SAV in lagna showing their personality as

more

> > adament people with a lot of confidence also maybe short tempered

> >

> > Since there are a fixed 337 bindus allocated very high points in

any

> > 1 house will be at the cost of some other house.

> >

> > So its not necassary to have very high bindus in a house. Yes

> > transit of planets over such houses (with high points) will not be

> > bad.

> >

> > The whole system of Ashtakavarg is based on relative placement of

> > planets.

> >

> > Maharishi Parasara and Varharamira have given the BAV scheme to us

> > which distributes the benefic bindus by 7 planets and lagna.

Lagna

> > has its importance due to the fact it gives us reference for

example

> > we say Sun in 4th house or sun in 5th both mean different thing.

> > This is obtained from reference from lagna and hence its

importance.

> >

> > Once u distribute the points you add up the points for all the 7

> > planets (reference of lagna is already included) to get the

strength

> > of each house which we call SAV.

> >

> > By the time u get the SAV strength you have unknowingly calculated

> > most of the Yogs with their contras i.e. yogs that are based on

> > relative positioning of planets. Speical yogs like 4:10 or

aspects

> > and other yogs like venus to sun distance, venus in particular

> > nakshtra etc have to be considered seperately.

> >

> > This SAV then gives the basis from which you derive and go into

the

> > next level to compute the actual strength of the planet.

> >

> > It is a very detailed topic.

> >

> > I agree that the texts available today do not do justice to

> > Ashtakvarg. No where in no classics is the system of ashtakvarg

in

> > given in detail to find out the timing of events.

> >

> > Things like kalsarp yog, kalamrit yog, grah malik yog etc can be

> seen

> > at a glace if one studies the SAV points distribution.

> >

> > For thigns like Sade-Sati, kantak shani i.e. Shanis transit over

> > 12th, 1st and 2nd from Moon can also be seen using BAV. Maharishi

> has

> > allocated 39 bindus to Shani in its BAV only. Similarly for Mars.

> > 39/12 is approx 3 bindus. So as a thumb rule if Shani in his BAV

is

> > giving 3 bindus to 12th, 1st or 2nd from Moon then such a transit

of

> > shani might not be that bad.

> >

> > At the same time Transit of Guru is also very important to study.

> > Guru and Shani rule the last 4 houses in kal purush chart

especially

> > if you want to time financial success.

> >

> > In any case its all a very detailed topic of discussion.

> >

> > Just my 2 cents.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, sanjay@s... wrote:

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > By definition it seems all the 8(Ashta)parameters are to be

added

> > to

> > > to get Sarva Ashtaka Varga points.

> > > But some commonly accepted way is to ignore Lagna. I personnaly

> > > sometimes try to Add the lagna points to compare.

> > > Ashtakavarga is mostly based on transits of Naisargika(Natural)

> > > kaaraka which are used to judge the change in society and

> > situations

> > > around is my understanding. So the play of Lagna could be

minimal

> > and

> > > that may also explain why transits from moon are given

> > comparitively

> > > more importance. As moon is natural significator of society and

> > mind.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> > >

> > > Om Tat Sat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"

> > > <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:

> > > > Satyam Bruyat Piryam Bruyat

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > >

> > > > I find that SAV rekhas/points are calculated in JHL by adding

> > > points of BAV

> > > > of 7 planets. Though there is a chart showing points counted

> > w.r.t

> > > Asc, the

> > > > SAV chart appears to excludes the same. I would like to know

if

> my

> > > > understanding is correct and if Asc points are to be added

while

> > > checking

> > > > strength of bhavas against dictums like <25= damaged, between

> 25-

> > 30

> > > = medium

> > > > effects and >30 = advance the effects of bhava!

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Ramesh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Satyam Bruyat Priyam BruyatDear Ash,Thank you for going through my chart. My comments are as under.

Regards

Rameshashsam73 [ashsam73 ]Sent:

Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:09 PMvedic astrologySubject:

[vedic astrology] Re: SAV points as given in JHL, clarificationDear Ramesh,I

casted your chart. You must have a compromising nature and must meadjusting.

Moon is very closely aspected by Rahu. Lagna lord is in12th and lagna has 22

points. It could mean that you will adjustadjust to a point and when u reach

your limit u may just explode. Ramesh: I am not sure! I think I am perceived

more a 'fixed' in my views.Also you have lagna/sun/moon in 5 sectors of mars in

navamsa,drekkhana and triansha.Ramesh: I am sorry I do not understand the

above.Now coming to the Sa's transit over virgo from say Jul/aug 1980 toOct

1982 might be more stressful. Ramesh: Yes it was stressful but positive kind of

stress and rewarding.Now at that time Guru mahadasha was running and Venus

antra. Venushas highest Ashtakvarg points for 10th house (Derived from SAV and

itincludes aspects etc etc) of 22 for 10th house. During this time youmight

have held good authority position. Venus also has good pointsfor 6th house and

also lagna so you might have cystal clear thoughtsand if faced with difficult

situations you can think your way you.At that time Shani was transitting virgo

your 2nd house with 0 pointsand at that time Jupiter was say about 20 degress

into Libra where ithas 6 bindus strength. So total = 6. However this period

i.e. WhenJu was still in Virgo with Shani at that time total would be 3

onlyi.e. from 1980 - 1981. That time you might have faced a crunch orfelt that

things were not going your way.Can you confirm this please.

Ramesh: I agree that period 81-82 was better than 80-81. Do you normally total

the AK points of of planets like Saturn and Jupiter to come to the conclusion,

like Jupieter transit making up of low point transit of Saturn?Venus antra is

good for you in terms if Job.'

Ramesh: During Jup MD, it was. It was not so during Saturn MD.Even current

period is good for you for job but Sa and Jupiter poitnsare 7. So again might

feel stress. This current period is also orwill give u stress as its of Rahu

who is SD to 2nd lord. Rahu issamdharmi to Guru and Mercu and its more towards

Mercury as Mercuryhas 6 bindus sterngth in 8th hosue and Guru has 5.

Ramesh: Current period has been ok and and a bit stressful. Kindly explain the

term samdharmi. I do not understand the same.Next antra is that of Guru. It

will be very good for you interms ofincome. Mahadasha is also of Shani, Karak

for 11th house (8th from11th). At the same time Ju and Sa total points will be

9.

Ramesh: Kindly explain how you arrive at the total of 9. Saturn has BAV of 3 in

Cancer and Jupiter has BAV of 4 in Virgo.

Good times ahead for you. The current period is also good but itwill come with

stress. Good in the sense of income and accumulationof wealth, aquistion of

car, happiness from home etc. Its also avery good time for learning or gaining

knowledge. Good savings also.

Ramesh: ThanksPlease give feeback it will help in learning.Cheers !!!Ash--- In

vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"<ramesh.gangaramani@a...>

wrote:> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat>> Dear Ash,>> Please find the chart

attached. Birth details are as under:>> July 31, 1949> Time:

9:04:00AM> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Longitude: 73 E 13' 00">

Latitude: 22 N 18' 00">> I have noted your point regarding AD. I am however

attempting tounderstand> the link between transit of Saturn and its BAV points

in varioushouses. A> correction in your first para, Saturn is giving 0 points

in thehouse where> Moon is placed.>> Your last para is also informative.

Thanks.>> Best Regards> Ramesh>> > ashsam73

[ashsam73]> Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:44 PM> To:

vedic astrology> [vedic astrology] Re: SAV points as

given in JHL,clarification>>> Dear Ramesh,> Definitely there is so much more to

it. It would be helpful if Ihad> your chart. One has to first study planets

and their poitions and> degrees and their status.>> First thing is that antra

dasha is very important. Transits show> environment. You have Shani giving 0

point in the place where lagna> is. One has to first understand what it means.

If antardasha holds> promise of say Good income and at the same time Shani is

transitting> a house with 0 points or even Mars then mostly unless Guru is>

transitting a houswe with 8 bindus the total is going to be lessthan> 8. So it

means that person will have income (if someone asks a> question on how the

income will be) but at the same time if Shaniand> Guru are not favouring in

their transit then the person will not be> able to enjoy it. Again if the

antra running is say of 2nd lordthen> there will even be more worries. etc etc.

etc.>> The contra of it, say if the Antra lord is not supporting goodincome> and

at the same time Guru and Shani are favouring here I mean its> having total of >

8 bindus then such a person might make his day to> day needs met. Maybe he may

get help from family or friends or> wife / husband etc. Again here if you

study keenly Sa and Ju rule> 9,10,11 and 12th hosue of the kal purush chart.

They hold karaktwa> of 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th.>> You can test this out on so

many charts. Sometimes when antra is> good at the same time Shani and Ju are

favouring then in such cases> one gets good income and he can enjoy it as well.

The environemnt> also lends support and becomes favourable.>> My suggestion is

that before you hear terms like Sadi Sati, Kal Sarp> yog etc study these

thigns.>> If you study kal sarp charts or kal amrit charts from SAV view point>

you will find that in most cases SAV points might be either low or> high in

continuity.>> Now say if continiuously 4 or 5 houses r low together then

planets> more planest transitting a house with < 28 bindus will make thetotal>

points < 197 so such people will feel that things are not goingtheir> way or in

short have prolonged periods of suffering and due to that> they may turn more

spiritual. Now in such charts also on the other> side of the same coin the SAV

bindus are fixed at 337. So it means> that if a few houses continiously have

less points i.e < 28 thensome> other houses will have much higher points as the

total is fixed to> 337. So when the plnaets finally get out or exit such houses

and> move into a house with high points then there are more chances of> total

points to be > 197 so its then Make up time....>> I am out of time... for

now....>> Cheers !!!> Ash>>>>>>>> vedic astrology,

"Ramesh Gangaramani"> <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:> > Satyam Bruyat Priyam

Bruyat> >> > Dear Ash,> > Thank you for a detailed reply. I have been trying to

understand> ways of> > differentiating difficult sade-satis from those that may

not be so> > difficult. One of the ways I understand is to check Rashis

through> which the> > Saturn passes. The other dictum I have read is that

people born in> sade sati> > do not experience a difficult period during future

sade-satis.> > You have made one more addition by suggesting to check BAV

points> of Saturn> > in 12th, 1st and 2nd houses from Moon. I am a Leo Asc with

Moon in> Virgo,> > BAV of 3,0,4 in 12th, 1st and 2nd. I have technically

gonethrough 2> > sade-satis one at the time of birth and second 77-85. I think

my> sade-satis> > have been relatively easy, especially when I read about the>

difficulties> > some others have had to go through! Being born in sadesati> may

'explain' it.> > BAV points of 3 and 4 would explain easier times during

transits> through Leo> > and Libra. 0 point in Virgo which had Moon and Ketu

would however> indicate a> > difficult period. Is there something more to it?>

> Kind regards> > Ramesh> >> > Dear Sanjay and Rao,> > Thank you for confirming

that points of Lagna need to be added,> exact if> > available or an average of

4!> > Best Regards> > Ramesh> >> > > > ashsam73

[ashsam73]> > Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:05 AM> > To:

vedic astrology> > [vedic astrology] Re: SAV points as

given in JHL,> clarification> >> >> > Dear Ramesh and Sanjay,> >> > Make no

mistake. There is much more to the application of> > Ashtakvarga than just for

transits.> >> > Ramesh, 28 bindus is average. 29 bindus would make a

housebenefic.> > 7 planets each can get upto 8 bindus (7 planets and lagna)

max. So> > if a planet gets 0 to 3 bindus then its malefic, 4 is neutral and> 5

-> > 8 is benefic. So at an average if 7 planets are getting 4 bindus> > then

total strength of Bhava = 28.> >> > Now there are only 337 bindus allocated for

7 planets bymaharishi.> > We say that as per Vedic Astrology that many planets

in 3rd house> > makes a person very parakramic. The same if you study from

SAVview> > point and BAV you will notice if u study the BAV scheme (Given by> >

Varharamira maharishi) that most planets distribute 1 bindu to the> > 11th place

from it. If you study charts of people with a lot of> > planets (not nodes) in

3rd house then such people will have very> high> > total points in their SAV in

lagna showing their personality asmore> > adament people with a lot of

confidence also maybe short tempered> >> > Since there are a fixed 337 bindus

allocated very high points inany> > 1 house will be at the cost of some other

house.> >> > So its not necassary to have very high bindus in a house. Yes> >

transit of planets over such houses (with high points) will not be> > bad.> >>

> The whole system of Ashtakavarg is based on relative placement of> >

planets.> >> > Maharishi Parasara and Varharamira have given the BAV scheme to

us> > which distributes the benefic bindus by 7 planets and lagna. Lagna> > has

its importance due to the fact it gives us reference forexample> > we say Sun in

4th house or sun in 5th both mean different thing.> > This is obtained from

reference from lagna and hence itsimportance.> >> > Once u distribute the

points you add up the points for all the 7> > planets (reference of lagna is

already included) to get thestrength> > of each house which we call SAV.> >> >

By the time u get the SAV strength you have unknowingly calculated> > most of

the Yogs with their contras i.e. yogs that are based on> > relative positioning

of planets. Speical yogs like 4:10 oraspects> > and other yogs like venus to

sun distance, venus in particular> > nakshtra etc have to be considered

seperately.> >> > This SAV then gives the basis from which you derive and go

intothe> > next level to compute the actual strength of the planet.> >> > It is

a very detailed topic.> >> > I agree that the texts available today do not do

justice to> > Ashtakvarg. No where in no classics is the system of

ashtakvargin> > given in detail to find out the timing of events.> >> > Things

like kalsarp yog, kalamrit yog, grah malik yog etc can be> seen> > at a glace

if one studies the SAV points distribution.> >> > For thigns like Sade-Sati,

kantak shani i.e. Shanis transit over> > 12th, 1st and 2nd from Moon can also

be seen using BAV. Maharishi> has> > allocated 39 bindus to Shani in its BAV

only. Similarly for Mars.> > 39/12 is approx 3 bindus. So as a thumb rule if

Shani in his BAVis> > giving 3 bindus to 12th, 1st or 2nd from Moon then such a

transitof> > shani might not be that bad.> >> > At the same time Transit of Guru

is also very important to study.> > Guru and Shani rule the last 4 houses in kal

purush chartespecially> > if you want to time financial success.> >> > In any

case its all a very detailed topic of discussion.> >> > Just my 2 cents.> >> >

Cheers !!!> > Ash> >> >> >> >> > vedic astrology,

sanjay@s... wrote:> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > Dear Ramesh,> > > By

definition it seems all the 8(Ashta)parameters are to beadded> > to> > > to get

Sarva Ashtaka Varga points.> > > But some commonly accepted way is to ignore

Lagna. I personnaly> > > sometimes try to Add the lagna points to compare.> > >

Ashtakavarga is mostly based on transits of Naisargika(Natural)> > > kaaraka

which are used to judge the change in society and> > situations> > > around is

my understanding. So the play of Lagna could beminimal> > and> > > that may

also explain why transits from moon are given> > comparitively> > > more

importance. As moon is natural significator of society and> > mind.> > >> > >

Warm Regards> > > Sanjay P> > >> > > Om Tat Sat> > >> > >> > >> > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani"> > >

<ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:> > > > Satyam Bruyat Piryam Bruyat> > > >> > >

> Dear Members,> > > >> > > > I find that SAV rekhas/points are calculated in

JHL by adding> > > points of BAV> > > > of 7 planets. Though there is a chart

showing points counted> > w.r.t> > > Asc, the> > > > SAV chart appears to

excludes the same. I would like to knowif> my> > > > understanding is correct

and if Asc points are to be addedwhile> > > checking> > > > strength of bhavas

against dictums like <25= damaged, between> 25-> > 30> > > = medium> > > >

effects and >30 = advance the effects of bhava!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >

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